Pokertracker helps a lot, most of my play is on party so I have a pretty comprehensive database there. Basically having that information helps you "guess", but it's obviously still not an exact science by any means. I play them very differently against different types of players, and in the case where I don't have much data on an opponent I generally give him the benefit of the doubt.

I go broke with AA or KK quite a bit though, usually to bad players or ones I have not yet identified as good players. A lot of times it's because my read was thrown off by an opponent's erratic play. Bad players just don't have the same thought process as good ones, and sometimes that makes it very hard to logically put them on a hand that beats you. You're just going to have to accept the fact that you're going to lose buy-ins with big pairs sometimes. When your opponent has no concept of pot odds or other sound poker play, he is getting implied odds from you(the tight aggressive player that you are) whether he realizes it or not.

Also, a penny saved is definately a penny earned, and when I identify a good tight player as my raiser I fold. It's easy to fold when I haven't yet invested much money, and my opponent is playing like he has a big hand. I do it on a routine basis, and no I don't post those hands in this thread. I'm certain that I've folded the winner many times with this philosophy, but as you can see it has served me well:
(my most profitable hands for the last ~30K hands)




AK isn't even in the top 10 btw, and AQ is actually in the red. You can see that I have a unique strategy for QQ, and it is in the appropriate place(3rd). I play 22-JJ all about the same, it's just happenstance that 99 has made the most out of those and that 22 have actually outearned JJ.




[Edited on June 9, 2005 at 12:02 AM. Reason : .]

6/8/2005 11:55:52 PM

Justin,

Interesting post there. Id really like to see your page detailing the winnings of final hand holdings. Im at work, and cant look at my pt now, so I dont remember which tab it is.

I really find that my major holes are taking top pair / overpair way too far, and that is really easy to do in a shorthanded limit game. My other leak seems to be small blind play.

Your WtSD for AA and KK seem really low, but I dont remember if that takes into account when its folded to you?

6/9/2005 9:05:23 AM

ok, my take. (i am above average player, not great, maybe good, i win more than i lose though)

Say I have $20 in a NL game. Player A has $20 and Player B has $4.


Situation 1.
I have 8/10 suited and A raises 3BB.
I call.

Situation 2
I have 8/10 suited and B raises 3BB.
I fold.

The difference in my mind, i need to hit on both hands. I have to put both players on decent hands.(unless i knw their play, etc.) In the first case, if i hit, I can take down $20 and double my stack. He would never see it coming with his AA/KK if i hit 2 pair. In the second case, no money to take, yeah I would not lose much, but if I hit, i will not win much.

I love to call small raises with shit cards. If you hit 2 pair or better, you are gonna win a good ammount relative to the table.

Just my strategy.

As for pocket pairs, KK-AA I raise decent before the flop. All others I call and try to trip. I find I usually make more when I get more people in and trip. Otherwise I drop them. Makes it easier to fold like someone else said.

6/9/2005 9:40:29 AM

Assuming you are playing in a 25nl party table with .15/.25 (or whatever) blind stucture, and you are using BB as 0.25... (not .50)

Also, Im making the crazy assumption that the rest of table folds to this raise, and you are betting after the player b.

then there is a good chance that player B will be all-in on the flop (unless he's terribly weak). You are implying that the pot will equal 4.40 (discounting your contributions, if you chose to call), assuming the blinds fold, and you are heads up. Your implied odds are about 5.8:1

IF YOU THINK you are any more than 20% to win the hand, then its a good call. Slight EV situations add up in long term. Granted you want this to be heads up, but you lose alot of value if you raise him to go ahead and put him all-in. Although, there is something to the notion of gaining EV by being in an all-in situation preflop with an underdog. When the betting is finished, you wont have the situation of being pot committed with draws and having to pay to miss them. This does not make up for the amount of value you threw away by raising, so calling is the play.


If you miss the flop, your returns fall drastically, but you are not forced by any means to continue on in the pot when you no longer have the pot odds to call.

how much you look to win off the pot doesnt matter as much as if you have the odds to profitably call.


But, having said that, I'd fold. unless you are last to act behind the raise and no one else is in the pot (which could only happen with him UTG and you in the BB, which changes everything), you have the chance of getting another caller or worse, a reraise. esp. at the 25/50/100 nl tables, its not worth it. wait for another hand, instead of marginally +EV differences.

6/9/2005 10:14:46 AM

^what do you think about the first situation? calling when he has $20.

6/9/2005 10:22:16 AM

of course if I call and I am reraised later, i prolly have to get out depending on pot size and other callers.

6/9/2005 10:23:01 AM

Quote :

"^what do you think about the first situation? calling when he has $20."

i tend to play pl, instead of nl, but I like to make this call. i also want as many people in a pot when playing suited connectors as possible.

you just dont want to get hung up on something like top pair.

6/9/2005 10:30:45 AM

^agreed, just wanting some 2nd opinions. If i am on a drawing hand, i want some people to draw against!

6/9/2005 10:44:20 AM

when playing speculative hands, youd want 10 passive players ideally.

i tend to play many, many more speculative hands than, say NoidRoid.

I just get bored 8 tabling and playing as tight as that kid does. =)

6/9/2005 10:47:57 AM

UB limits you to 3 tables. How do you get 8? Multiple sites? Multiple accnts?

6/9/2005 10:52:20 AM

many monitors, many sites.

my record was 16 tabling 4 party skins.

that was a bit too much to keep track of, and damn near gave me motion sickness from swinging my head around so much.

i dont have one of those nifty lcd stands that tile 4 lcds, i just run 3 lcds side by side and a crt about 90 degrees from the others.

6/9/2005 11:00:03 AM

^haha, nice.....i don't like to play more than three bc in my experience i think i lose a lot of table feel with anymore than this, and i mean you can play mechanical and grind out a little bit on a lot of tables, but i always feel that im losing value on all the tables as well 2bb/hr * 3 > .25bb/hr *8, maybe you are better at keeping track of it all, i've just found i start to lose with more than 3 tables, my problem might've been playing different games though, sometimes i will play 1 pl omaha, 1nl holdem, and 1 limit stud hi/lo, that can get confusing haha

6/9/2005 11:24:31 AM

mixing games gets nuts. sometimes for shits ill throw in 3 he tables and 1 oh/oh8 table,

but trying to multitable with any 7CS game would be intense.

6/9/2005 1:01:44 PM

yea, im thinking that might've been my problem, i really like to play all three games though, but i think i have to like rotate biweekly or something, i've been meaning to ask you if you'd be up for a local limit game, i don't really know many people that play limit around here, do you know of many people in the area that wouldn't have to always play nl?

6/9/2005 1:05:28 PM

i actually live in VA, but have seen few small limit games floating around the city...

people are starting to get bored with straight nlhe, and mess around with other games, which is fine by me.

I tried to get a steady like 1/2 or 2/4 HORSE game going last semester i was in raleigh, but it garnered so little interest it never got off the ground.

Id love to have a steady 4/8, 5/10, 6/12 or something game.

6/9/2005 1:17:18 PM

dude, i think a mixed game might be an even better idea, that would be awesome....if you really want to try to do this, i am down, how far from raleigh are you? i would be willing to travel a little also, i think if we start the blinds kinda slow, we could attract more people then hopefully they will realize that you don't always have to play nl and then we can up the blinds a little bit, the limits you mentioned are fine by me though, i really don't know anyone besides us two that would realistically play in such a game though, do you know anyone, anyone else on here interested?

6/9/2005 1:22:27 PM

You guys should all take a road trip to Charleston. We could have a big game at my house.

6/9/2005 2:29:03 PM

Quote :

"Interesting post there. Id really like to see your page detailing the winnings of final hand holdings. Im at work, and cant look at my pt now, so I dont remember which tab it is. "

This one includes a lot of folds though, so it's somewhat misleading.


That one's for the couple of hands where I actually made it to the showdown.

Quote :

"I really find that my major holes are taking top pair / overpair way too far, and that is really easy to do in a shorthanded limit game."

That appears to be a hole in my game too, but those aren't exactly the hands I'm trying to make money with in NL.

Quote :

"Your WtSD for AA and KK seem really low, but I dont remember if that takes into account when its folded to you? "

I'm sure it does. Also, this is NL remember. I generally raise 6x BB preflop, so I "steal" a lot of blinds with AA or KK. Then a lot of times I either take it down with a pot sized bet on the flop or fold to a raise, so there's some more small pots that didn't go to showdown. I think the %'s are about right.




[Edited on June 9, 2005 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2005 4:07:29 PM

prolly the dumbest hand I've ever seen on party

***** Hand History for Game 2184253263 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Friday, June 10, 03:44:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 37768 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: LucasHall ( $61.5 )
Seat 2: bigpolloii ( $24.74 )
Seat 3: Crooked_K ( $119.25 )
Seat 4: condump ( $6 )
Seat 6: GoodFengShui ( $18.2 )
Seat 8: noslen111 ( $80.2 )
Seat 9: GypsyHghside ( $105.4 )
Seat 7: slippyJ81 ( $99 )
Seat 5: hembymetal ( $48 )
Seat 10: cajun_cookin ( $20 )
slippyJ81 posts small blind [$0.5].
noslen111 posts big blind [$1].
hembymetal posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slippyJ81 [ Kh Ah ]
>You have options at Table 36602 Table!.
GypsyHghside calls [$1].
LucasHall folds.
bigpolloii folds.
Crooked_K calls [$1].
condump folds.
hembymetal checks.
GoodFengShui folds.
slippyJ81 raises [$5.5].
noslen111 raises [$10].
GypsyHghside folds.
Crooked_K calls [$10].
hembymetal folds.
slippyJ81 calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Jc, 9d ]
slippyJ81 checks.
noslen111 bets [$65].
Crooked_K calls [$65].
slippyJ81 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
noslen111 bets [$1].
Crooked_K calls [$1].
>You have options at Table 37337 Table!.
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
noslen111 checks.
>You have options at Table 36602 Table!.
Crooked_K bets [$1].
noslen111 is all-In.
>You have options at Table 37731 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37337 Table!.
cajun_cookin: fold
cajun_cookin: lol
Crooked_K folds.
noslen111 does not show cards.
noslen111 wins $168.2


nolsen111's all-in on the river was for like $3 by the way(a $2 raise to Crooked_K's "value bet")

Of course nolsen111 said afterwards that he didn't have anything, but who knows. He did turn out to be a maniac and blow that entire stack in about an hour, so maybe my AK was the best hand.

Not really sure why I raised preflop btw, I'll do that with AKs maybe 1 time out of 20. Kind of embarrassing to have been involved in such a ridiculous hand like that.

6/10/2005 6:27:58 AM

deuces?

6/10/2005 8:44:10 AM

8-7 clubs?


Chip dumping? Collusion?

6/10/2005 11:28:48 PM

this one was just straight weird. btw, everyone was in the money so no big deal there.

Stage #136930377: Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $300 [ 2005-06-10 23:32:32 ]
*** ANTE [dealer 2] ***
Seat 3 - RICO11597 $4065 in chips
Seat 4 - JUMPMAN23408 $8850 in chips
Seat 5 - JCMARC $11835 in chips
Seat 6 - SBUR101 $31170 in chips
Seat 7 - DRMARIO $8035 in chips
Seat 1 - DIAMONDDAVE9 $3265 in chips
Seat 2 - CRIPT29 $2580 in chips
DIAMONDDAVE9 - Ante $50
CRIPT29 - Ante $50
RICO11597 - Ante $50
JUMPMAN23408 - Ante $50
JCMARC - Ante $50
SBUR101 - Ante $50
DRMARIO - Ante $50
RICO11597 - Post small blind $300
JUMPMAN23408 - Post big blind $600
DRMARIO - Pocket [7d,Ah]
JCMARC - Raises $600 to $1200
SBUR101 - Folds
DRMARIO - Folds
DIAMONDDAVE9 - Folds
CRIPT29 - All-In(Raise) $1200 to $2530
RICO11597 - All-In(Raise) $2230 to $4015
JUMPMAN23408 - Folds
JCMARC - Calls $2815
*** FLOP [Kc,Kh,Kd] ***
*** TURN [Kc,Kh,Kd,7h] ***
*** RIVER [Kc,Kh,Kd,7h,7c] ***
CRIPT29 - Show cards [3c,3d]
RICO11597 - Show cards [As,Ad]
JCMARC - Show cards [9c,9s]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($11510:$8540,$2970)
Board [Kc,Kh,Kd,7h,7c]
DIAMONDDAVE9 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
CRIPT29 - HI:Full house, kings full of sevens [3c,3d - B:Kh,B:Kd,B:Kc,B:7h,B:7c]
RICO11597 - Total ($11510) All-In HI$11510)Full house, kings full of aces [As,Ad - B:Kh,B:Kd,B:Kc,P:As,P:Ad]
JUMPMAN23408 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
JCMARC - HI:Full house, kings full of nines [9c,9s - B:Kh,B:Kd,B:Kc,P:9s,P:9c]
SBUR101 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
DRMARIO - Folded on the POCKET CARDS

6/11/2005 12:55:15 AM

I am pretty proud of this hand right here. I lost it, and of course I called down to the river with the set for relatively small bets, but I had a suspicion that this guy was one of those retards who raised a very small amount with good hands, and had either flopped a set or turned a set. The old me (the one who first started playing online poker about 2 years ago) would have done some hefty reraising after the flop, only to get pot committed and lose my stack. As it is, I only lost $10, and I was actually able to make it up just a few hands later too. You can't win raising to $1.50 on .50/1.00 tables. I just waited him out.

GAME #859473273 - (BLINDS $0.25/$0.50) NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD'EM - 2005/06/11-12:49:53.3 (CST)
Table "Maria (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: cleric22 ($50.00 in chips)
Seat 2: megndel420 ($8.75 in chips)
Seat 3: JennyB2004 ($54.25 in chips)
Seat 4: ChUcKsTeR09 ($41.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Igotum ($13.25 in chips)
megndel420: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
JennyB2004: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ 7s ]
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ 7d ]
ChUcKsTeR09: Raise ($1.50)
Igotum : Call ($1.50)
megndel420: Fold
JennyB2004: Call ($1)
*** FLOP *** : [ Kd 7h Th ]
JennyB2004: Check
ChUcKsTeR09: Bet ($3.50)
Igotum : Fold
JennyB2004: Call ($3.50)
*** TURN *** : [ Kd 7h Th ] [ Ad ]
JennyB2004: Check
ChUcKsTeR09: Bet ($4.50)
JennyB2004: Call ($4.50)
*** RIVER *** : [ Kd 7h Th Ad ] [ Js ]
JennyB2004: Check
ChUcKsTeR09: Bet ($1)
JennyB2004: Call ($1)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $21.75 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Kd 7h Th Ad Js ]
cleric22 didn't bet
megndel420 lost $0.25 (folded)
JennyB2004 lost $10.50 (showed hand) [ 7s 7d ] (three of a kind, sevens)
ChUcKsTeR09 bet $10.50, collected $21.75, net +$11.25 (showed hand) [ Kh Ks ] (three of a kind, kings)
Igotum lost $1.50 (folded)

6/11/2005 3:16:16 PM

OK, here's a question for those of you who use Poker Tracker. Below is a printout of my last 4 sessions results:



I had the computer automatically assign icons based on their own criteria, but they had to have at least 25 hands played (I know that's not a very big amount, but I wanted to test the feature.) What exactly do the icons tell me? I mean, I won the most total money, and my BB/100 hands is pretty damn good at 68. The icon assigned to me was one of "loose-aggressive/passive". We'll get back to what exactly that means in a moment, but I also noticed that thee very worst player (in terms of $$ lost) also got the same icon, which doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy. I can't really understand this, because I remember watching that player thinking how bad she sucked, and that her playing style was NOTHING like mine.

The icon assigned actually means that I put money in the pot greater than 30% of the time, my pre-flop raise percentage is greater than 5%, and I have an aggression factor less than 2.00 (I'm not sure what that is). That sounds about right on everything though. I like to see flops for cheap (aka the big blind) simply because I feel like I "play" better than other people, and that after seeing a flop, I can gauge what calls to make, what hands to chase, and when to chase them. Additionally, when I raise preflop, I raise a lot. If I have AA, I want either no callers or 1 caller, not 3 or 4. And as for the aggression thing, I am not very aggressive online, unless I have thee nuts. I have seen too many great hands beaten by better hands online, so unless I KNOW I have the best hand, I am very reluctant to push my stack in.

The only explanation that I can come up with for the icon is that there are many different playing styles, and each can work, but you have to be good at them. Two boxers can have similar styles, but one can suck at it and get his ass beat consistently, while the other makes it work for him and flourishes. I know I can't handle a game where every hand has a large preflop raise and money is flying back and forth every hand. I have to find a table where I can see flops for cheap, and get a hold of morons who won't lay down 2 pair to my straight or flush, like the hand below:

GAME #858345211 - (BLINDS $0.25/$0.50) NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD'EM - 2005/06/10-12:23:24.1 (CST)
Table "Temoe (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Kingquiche ($46.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Teko11285 ($20.00 in chips)
Seat 3: JennyB2004 ($46.00 in chips)
Seat 4: RCSkier86 ($35.25 in chips)
Seat 5: sportnskil ($66.75 in chips)
RCSkier86: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
sportnskil: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Teko11285: Post ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ Jc ]
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ Ts ]
Kingquiche: Fold
Teko11285: Check
JennyB2004: Call ($0.50)
RCSkier86: Fold
sportnskil: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 2h Ac 6h ]
sportnskil: Check
Teko11285: Check
JennyB2004: Check
*** TURN *** : [ 2h Ac 6h ] [ Ks ]
sportnskil: Check
Teko11285: Check
JennyB2004: Check
*** RIVER *** : [ 2h Ac 6h Ks ] [ Qs ]
sportnskil: Bet ($1)
Teko11285: Raise ($2)
JennyB2004: Raise ($10)
sportnskil: Fold
Teko11285: Call ($8)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $21.75 | Rake: $1
Board: [ 2h Ac 6h Ks Qs ]
Kingquiche didn't bet (folded)
Teko11285 lost $10.50 [ Ad 8h ] (a pair of aces)
JennyB2004 bet $10.50, collected $21.75, net +$11.25 (showed hand) [ Jc Ts ] (a straight, ten to ace)
RCSkier86 lost $0.25 (folded)
sportnskil lost $1.50 (folded)
-----------------------------------------------------

Not a single preflop raise, and the guy won't lay down a pair of aces with a shitty kicker. Those are the players I thrive on.

6/11/2005 3:58:19 PM

I'm not sure exactly what the default auto ratings are for PT, but it may very well be limit. I looked around on the PT forum and found specific NL ring game parameters to make sure I had it right.

This one looks okay: http://www.andymcnish.btinternet.co.uk/NL50final.TXT

I think there's also a shorthanded version somewhere if that's what you usually play.

Here's my list of my most profitable players:


I'm pretty sure the mouse(TP A) is the best icon for online ring games. That's what I am, that's what a lot of the people on that list are(especially the ones who I've played the most hands with), and that's what our good buddy JonTurner is after playing ~1000 hands with him.

Eagle(TA A) is definately "supposed" to be the best icon, but you really don't need to be raising that much to suceed online. In live games it's probably better because you're seeing a fraction of the hands that you are online, so you need to be forcing the action in order to make a profit. That's not the case online, with 4 tables going you have enough hands availible to sit back and pick people off when you make a monster. And ffs, bet it when you do - that's how mice are considered aggressive post flop, as opposed to rocks(TP P), once we make a hand things get expensive.

The dice are generally considered to be a pretty week icon. Having a passive post flop rating is bad, and it's a sign of the dreaded fish. Notice I have both these icons on my list, but both of these instances are with players I've only played one or two sessions with and I would guess the chips just somehow fell in their lap, it happens.

200 hands is nothing though, and I predict that your icon will change.

I'd say you'll be either:
- the green frown face(sLA P) if you keep playing the same way. I doubt you'll keep your L preflop designation
- the tazmanian devil(sLA A) if you just get more aggressive postflop
- the question mark(sLP A) which is basically a mouse that sees more flops.

6/11/2005 5:04:39 PM

Cool info.

I'll rerate myself again at 1,000 hands. The more I think about it, the more I don't mind being "the dice"... but we'll see. I think the "loose" part of it comes from the fact that I pretty much only play 5 person tables, so you can't be as selective as you would at 10 people tables.

6/11/2005 7:51:14 PM

Yeah no doubt. Actually, I don't think the mouse style would win money on a short-handed table. I don't have much experience there.




[Edited on June 12, 2005 at 3:14 AM. Reason : .]

6/12/2005 3:12:39 AM

You know, if I was a player on your list, i dont think id take too kindly to having my name broadcast on a public forum. same as posting hand histories.

I do it too though, but I had never really thought about it untill now.

Oh, and a note on PT ratings...

before i had a core dump and lost ~70k hand histories, I had one eagle who was making money, and not a single rock was in the green. most of these pretain to pl/nl stats, with the default rankings.. (so it could be meaningless)

for you kiddo's that play limit at crypto alot, check out your stats for Beldar... There was internet conspiracy theorists claiming him to be a bot... In my stats he was an eagle with a BB/100 >+7 at full ring limit games. (with about 700 hands logged)

6/13/2005 9:01:49 AM

Hand #6358885-2610 at Yuba City (No Limit Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 14/Jun/05 02:37:12

istar is at seat 0 with $126.45.
beavisguy01 is at seat 1 with $44.45.
mudandsun is at seat 2 with $97.
Ironcire777 is at seat 3 with $50.
mustangmarkp is at seat 4 with $197.20.
slipnuts is at seat 5 with $99.90.
KennyPimp123 is at seat 6 with $50.
NeverFlopASet is at seat 8 with $45.15.
The button is at seat 2.

mustangmarkp posts the small blind of $.50.
slipnuts posts the big blind of $1.
KennyPimp123 posts out of turn for $1.

istar: -- --
beavisguy01: -- --
mudandsun: -- --
mustangmarkp: -- --
slipnuts: Kh Ks
KennyPimp123: -- --
NeverFlopASet: -- --

Pre-flop:

KennyPimp123 checks. NeverFlopASet folds. istar
folds. beavisguy01 folds. mudandsun folds.
mustangmarkp calls. slipnuts raises to $5.
KennyPimp123 goes all-in for $50. mustangmarkp folds.
slipnuts calls.

Flop (board: Kc 8d 6s):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: Kc 8d 6s 8s):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Kc 8d 6s 8s 2d):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

KennyPimp123 shows Ad Ac.
KennyPimp123 has Ad Ac Kc 8d 8s: two pair, aces and eights.
slipnuts shows Kh Ks.
slipnuts has Kh Ks Kc 8d 8s: full house, kings full of eights.


This was the dude's first and last hand at the table, he stuck around for about 10 minutes afterwards to bitch though. At first my response was "Damn that sucks dude, sorry. and "How am I gonna play it any other way considering it was your first hand at the table?"

But he was having none of it. I'm not sure exactly what he said do to the language filter, but after a couple minutes of expletives(I could tell by context clues that "pussy" and "bitch" were the most prevalent) I decided to goad him a bit and see if I could get Mr. Pimp to truly flip his shit.

After calling him a bad player and telling him to get off my table so a new fish could take his spot etc etc, he started with the death threats. Apparently I better sleep with one eye open tonight.

Gotta love the internet - good times

6/14/2005 3:24:03 AM

That is awesome.

6/14/2005 8:17:16 AM

These are the hands that make me want to cry. Seriously.

GAME #862514635 - (BLINDS $0.25/$0.50) NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLD'EM - 2005/06/14-08:11:35.8 (CST)
Table "Anunu (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: JennyB2004 ($55.50 in chips)
Seat 2: sam92009 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 3: 11KKKKK ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 4: tiltoholic ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 5: SDC117 ($29.00 in chips)
sam92009: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
11KKKKK : Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ 8c ]
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ 7d ]
tiltoholic: Fold
SDC117 : Fold
JennyB2004: Call ($0.50)
sam92009: Call ($0.25)
11KKKKK : Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 5s 4c 6s ]
sam92009: Check
11KKKKK : Check
JennyB2004: Bet ($4)
sam92009: Call ($4)
11KKKKK : Fold
*** TURN *** : [ 5s 4c 6s ] [ 9h ]
sam92009: Check
JennyB2004: Bet ($20)
sam92009: Call All-in ($19.25)
*** RIVER *** : [ 5s 4c 6s 9h ] [ 8s ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $46 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 5s 4c 6s 9h 8s ]
JennyB2004 bet $24.50, collected $23.75, net -$0.75 (showed hand) [ 8c 7d ] (a straight, five to nine)
sam92009 bet $23.75, collected $23, net -$0.75 (showed hand) [ 7c Ac ] (a straight, five to nine)
11KKKKK lost $0.50 (folded)
tiltoholic didn't bet (folded)
SDC117 didn't bet (folded)
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As you can see, I flop the nuts. I bet it hard. I go all in on the turn. He calls, with absolutely no pot odds and hits one of 3 outs in the deck for a split. This has been happening all week. It turns my stomach. I'd rather lose $100 to a quality player than split a hand like that.

6/14/2005 10:36:50 AM

I wish pokerroom had an adequate hand history, so i could post it. If they do, i suck and didnt see it.

PL hold'em on pokerroom. Jist is QcJc on the button, 4 limpers and the blinds, i raise to $3.. tight table, figure I may be able to take down the small pot. both blinds and all 4 others call, which was very surprising.

Flop comes TcAcKc. flopped the royal.

checks around to me, i bet the minimum, 0.50. pot is $21.

All 6 players fold.

=/

[Edited on June 14, 2005 at 11:09 AM. Reason : e]

[Edited on June 14, 2005 at 11:10 AM. Reason : 3 not 4, get the pot size right ]

[Edited on June 14, 2005 at 11:11 AM. Reason : fuck, it was pokerroom.. its one big grind anyways, crappy pso promos]

6/14/2005 11:06:30 AM

At least you did the smart thing and made your first deposit $100 for only $40 in bonus to clear at 10x, right?

I rocked some PR last week and cleared $100 from pso and $40 in bonus in about 3.5 hours at 1/2 NL

6/14/2005 1:44:04 PM

of course.

Ideally, i would have deposited more. Now making the points blow, trying to play limit. Makes it almost impossible to mulitable, with a full stack. I played for a few hours last night at a 2/4 and 1 pl table, and only cleared like 60 points.. which sucks.

guess I could drop more in, but ill probably start up other promos and multisite.

This run has been pretty unfortunate thus far, by other ventures than poker.

6/14/2005 2:37:25 PM

what I mean is, the best way to do it is to only deposit $100 at first to get $40 in bonus which will clear with your 400 pso pts. then make a second deposit to fund your multitabling(I put in 1k to do 1/2nl)

very efficient way to make 9k pso pts and 1k for the referral



you don't want to spend any extra time fucking around with pokerroom 10x bonus



[Edited on June 14, 2005 at 3:40 PM. Reason : .]

6/14/2005 3:37:29 PM

Need some advice on this hand, would any of you played it any differently?

***** Hand History for Game 2208346020 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, June 14, 22:58:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 37168 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: toglocks1ak ( $29.85 )
Seat 2: MrMaverick9 ( $31 )
Seat 3: unchoop115 ( $45.1 )
Seat 5: complusbob ( $10.97 )
Seat 6: jorypoker ( $40.14 )
Seat 4: cdub81 ( $24.75 )
cdub81 posts small blind [$0.1].
complusbob posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cdub81 [ 7h Tc ]
jorypoker calls [$0.25].
toglocks1ak folds.
MrMaverick9 calls [$0.25].
unchoop115 calls [$0.25].
cdub81 calls [$0.15].
complusbob checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 2h, 7c ]
cdub81 bets [$1.25].
complusbob folds.
jorypoker calls [$1.25].
MrMaverick9 folds.
unchoop115 calls [$1.25].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
cdub81 checks.
jorypoker bets [$0.25].
unchoop115 calls [$0.25].
cdub81 raises [$2].
jorypoker calls [$1.75].
unchoop115 calls [$1.75].
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
cdub81 bets [$8].
jorypoker calls [$8].
unchoop115 calls [$8].
cdub81 shows [ 7h, Tc ] two pairs, tens and sevens.
jorypoker shows [ Td, 7s ] two pairs, tens and sevens.
unchoop115 shows [ As, 4c ] two pairs, aces and fours.
unchoop115 wins $33.25 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and fours.

6/14/2005 11:00:49 PM

river fucked you, shit happens man

6/15/2005 12:45:21 AM

yeah I would have played it MUCH differently; as in, NOT AT ALL. you had 10 7 offsuit. pretty much the most realistic thing that can happen with that hand is you hit two pair but even then you have to pray that no big cards come up. How would you play if the flop was 6 7 K? How bout 9 10 A? 7-10 is a worthless hand and should be thrown away.

6/15/2005 7:13:34 AM

^agreed

even though you were the SB there was still not very much reason to even check to flop

6/15/2005 7:17:46 AM

There are a few truths to your hand.

When playing 7/10, you aren't looking for pairs, you are looking for a straight. Some people would say don't play it at all, but I play a lot of hands with realistic expectations in mind. I'll play a lot of hands with nearly connecting cards because of idiots who won't lay down a pair of aces. Let's say you were playing 107 and the flop was A89. Odds are, some dumbass will bet .50 with an ace, well worth your call. If you hit a J or even better, a 6, then you are absolutely golden, because you'll probably take the guys whole stack. It's called implied odds.

You did take a bad beat. You bet it "OK" and a moron stayed in with bottom pair. it happens.... I've seen much worse. Keep in mind, it was a totally unraised preflop pot that you got yourself into, so 2 pair will never be all that good. Someone could have flopped a set, or have been playing 35 and smashed your 2 pair on the river.

Don't play at such a low limit table. No matter what you bet, it's either not going to be enough for people to not call on any draw, or it's going to be a way overbet of the pot.

6/15/2005 8:13:55 AM

progressive betting at low limit tables with low pairs isn't a slick new creation, its down right idiotic.

[Edited on June 15, 2005 at 8:41 AM. Reason : e]

6/15/2005 8:41:12 AM

lets say for the sake of argument that he chacked to flop to look for the straight.

With no preflop raises he was able to easily check to flop. he saw the flop and did not have a chance to hit the straight. Why would he keep playing that hand when all he had at that point were a pair of 7's much less throw in a raise

6/15/2005 8:45:14 AM

First, you don't want to bet out top pair shitty kicker like that. If you check and someone bets the pot($1 at that point), maybe call. I would probably fold cause I don't generally like to get involded in minor skirmishes like this, especially out of position.

Second, after hitting the best possible card for you on the turn you check-raised too little. I would have probably gone up to at least $4, the only thing that really beats you at that point is a set. The tiny raise after a bet and a call just invited the retard with bottom pair to stick around for the river.

Third, you prolly forgot to call him a faggot-ass carolina bandwagon fuck after the suck out. Crucial.

6/15/2005 11:43:23 AM

Quote :

"I would have probably gone up to at least $4, the only thing that really beats you at that point is a set. The tiny raise after a bet and a call just invited the retard with bottom pair to stick around for the river."

6/15/2005 12:51:48 PM

What do y'all listen to while you play poker online? I always go with my techno collection. There is nothing like blasting some Oakenfold or Van Dyk to help you take some money off suckers online.

[Edited on June 15, 2005 at 8:48 PM. Reason : .]

6/15/2005 8:38:09 PM

usually mogwai or sigur ros

6/16/2005 2:24:27 AM

Weezer, Killers, Interpol, Modest Mouse

6/16/2005 8:25:40 AM

Quote :

"Oakenfold or Van Dyk "

lol

6/16/2005 8:25:50 AM

So my new roomates and I are all pretty steady players.

I came home a few days ago to find a very large surprise in the living room.

They bought a 75lb heavy bag with stand.

The concept was to take out the "GOD! FUCK!" moments out on the bag.

Its turned into relegation of bag time.

"MOTHER FUCKER DRILLED HIS UNDERPAIR SET ON THE RIVER TO TRUMP MY TOP TWO!" *room one*

"Thats 3 minutes on the bag, dude" *room two*

By the way poker has treated me this month, I'm going to be ripped by july.

6/16/2005 9:33:16 AM

Quote :

"So my new roomates and I are all pretty shady players. "

6/16/2005 9:55:52 AM