Dammit100 All American 17605 Posts user info edit post |
hooray for BAC this week! 5/7/2009 11:11:45 AM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
^ i do not own & i regret that, but i've been busy at work & can't watch as much as i like 5/7/2009 12:16:13 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
effin hell, bought 1000 of FAZ at 5.15 with a .10 trailing stop. It ticked up to 5.17 and eventually booted me out at 5.07, it touched 5.06 and hasn't looked back yet. 5/7/2009 1:17:31 PM |
ScHpEnXeL Suspended 32613 Posts user info edit post |
5.61 5/7/2009 1:23:17 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
i took 2 shots just before that at both FAS and FAZ, knowing there was a trend there somewhere, either the market was going to keep getting driven higher or it was going to start a slow selloff. I had another shot at it with FAZ. I actually got in at 5.15 and initially set the stop for .15 It moved up into the 5.20s or so, then was headed back to trigger at 5.12 or something. I canceled, waited, then set it to .10 only to get booted out shortly after.
No matter, I'd much rather have a little slippage than get my beak pushed in again riding stupid shit down.
At some point in the next 30-hr the mild sell off will reverse and drive higher into the close.
[Edited on May 7, 2009 at 1:27 PM. Reason : .] 5/7/2009 1:27:10 PM |
ScHpEnXeL Suspended 32613 Posts user info edit post |
5.82
craziness 5/7/2009 1:43:25 PM |
prep-e All American 4843 Posts user info edit post |
630 shares of FAZ at $4.75 this morning, out at $5.75 this afternoon
5% stop loss set at $4.51, risked $150 made $630
probably the cleanest trade I've made in a long time 5/7/2009 4:32:30 PM |
hershculez All American 8483 Posts user info edit post |
^ I don't understand the math on that one. 5/7/2009 9:57:25 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
He would have lost $150 had he been stopped out, he made 630 for the 1 pt gain on the stock. 5/7/2009 10:13:49 PM |
hershculez All American 8483 Posts user info edit post |
ah, thanks.
Quote : | "Personal Rate of Return from 01/01/2009 to 05/06/2009 is 7.5%*" |
5/7/2009 11:40:32 PM |
erice85 All American 4549 Posts user info edit post |
i wish i had the nuts to pull of trades like that
i like playing things too safe 5/7/2009 11:51:31 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
FAS @ 11.13 5/8/2009 9:36:06 AM |
lafta All American 14880 Posts user info edit post |
I've had FAZ since 4.75, i think im gonna hold into next week 5/8/2009 11:06:16 AM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
I've been stopped out of FAZ twice today. I'm going to pull the trig on it at about 3.59pm, should be able to get it in the 4.30 range, sell Monday morning on the gap up near the 5 range.
Currently holding some DIA puts for the mild Monday sell-off, just wish I would have waited a little longer to get them. 5/8/2009 2:44:48 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
tight trailing stop got me out of FAS @ 11.62... oh well.. i couldn't watch it from 11:30 until now anyway 5/8/2009 3:17:21 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
time to start familiarizing myself with ERX 5/8/2009 3:51:44 PM |
adultswim Suspended 8379 Posts user info edit post |
Anyone here use Tradeking? Do they make you wait 3 days after selling to get your money? Zecco is terrible. 5/8/2009 4:14:30 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
anybody here use vectorvest? i start a new job with them on monday. i don't know much about the stock market (yet) but i'm curious if they are generally known or not 5/8/2009 4:44:35 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
the case for EDC
http://tinyurl.com/p7h4qh 5/10/2009 10:54:31 AM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
^^ congrats on the job.
all i know is that they have a commercial on CNBC every 5 minutes... their main value proposition seems that the overall market direction trumps everything technical, fundamental, etc 5/10/2009 11:01:55 AM |
lafta All American 14880 Posts user info edit post |
does vectorvest work?
does anyone here use any subscription services for analysis and stock tips? 5/10/2009 12:31:29 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
^ I've been contemplating it with Phils Stock World
https://www.philstockworld.com/membership/signup.php
I managed to land a a free Report Membership Package (normally $50 a month) where he sends out daily (but not intraday) trade setups and I've made a couple of winners on his recommendations though it's kind of screwy because in some of his daily notes he mentions convos and comments from the previous day that I don't have access to. Friday, he said he'd be buying May 82 puts on DIA at .40 and would be happy to get more at .30. I bought some at 40 and more at 35 and imagine we'll see a down open to start they day and I should be able to sell out of them for a small profit (would have been better had I just waited and got them for .33).
There is another guy that is newer and smaller that I subscribe to that posts his weekly returns and he crushed it in early 08, managed not to lose it at the end of the year, did very well in the turbulent part of this year up to the rally, and has been just smoking the rally as we go. He is a technician, which is what has been working over the past year and what will probably continue to work for another quarter or so until we settle into our years of muddle through when fundamentals will once again start to work. This was his performance this past week and he is currently offering a 10 day trial of his alerts, not sure what it costs after that:
LONG CDNS at 5.6 Sold CDNS at 5.45 = -2.6% Swing trade from friday
LONG HTE at 5.28 Sold at 5.49 = +4% Day Trade
LONG ZEUS at 22.3 Stopped out at 21 = - 5.8% Day trade
LONG HERO at 3.77 Sold at 3.78 = flat Day Trade
LONG QID at 35.92 Sold at 35.7 = -0.6% Day Trade
LONG TZA at 27.8 Sold at 27 = -2.8% Swing Trade
LONG HTE at 5.28 Sold at 5.92 = +12% Swing Trade
LONG WRES at 2.35 Sold at = 2.6 = +10% Swing Trade
LONG FEED at 4.1 Sold at 4.3 = +4.8% Swing trade
LONG STP at 16.5 Sold at 16.83 = +2% Swing Trade
LONG FTK at 3.08 Sold at 3.23 = +4.8% Swing Trade
LONG MMR at 7.08 Sold at 7.25 = +2.4% Swing Trade
LONG CPE at 2.16 Sold at 2.24 = +3.7% Swing Trade
LONG PRGN at 4.69 Sold at 4.7 = flat day Trade
LONG AXL at 1.52 Sold at 1.65 = +8.5% Day Trade
LONG HW at 4.03 Sold at 4.3 = +6.6% Swing trade
LONG FTK at 2.6 Sold at 2.62 = flat Day Trade LONG TZA at 25.85 Sold at 26.6 = +2.9% Day Trade LONG FAZ at 5.07 Sold at 5.3 = +4.5% Day Trade
SHORT FRO at 23.66 Cover 23.62 = flat Day Trade
SHORT CLF at 29.75 Cover 29.4 = +1.1% Day Trade
LONG HW at 4.25 Sold at 4.39 = +3.29% ONH
LONG STP at 16.75 Sold at 17.35 = +5.5% ONH
LONG TZA at 26.5 Stopped out at 26 = -1.8% Day trade
LONG TZA at 27.1 Sold at 26.9 = -0.7% Day trade
LONG SRS at 22.96 Sold at 21.6 = -5.5% Day trade
LONG STI at 19.63 Sold at 20.15 = +2.6% day trade
LONG XTXI at 3.82 Sold at 3.98 = +4% Day Trade
LONG PQ at 4.22 Swing Trade Still Open
LONG SGY at 7.22 Swing Trade Still Open
[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 10:41 PM. Reason : .]
[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM. Reason : .] 5/10/2009 10:36:40 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
Bought FAZ at the close Friday for 4.50 and sold out of it at 4.85. Bought 40 of the May 82 puts on the DIA for a .38 average and sold out of those for .47.
Looks to be setting up for a strong correction today which would probably double my profits on those positions, but I've been abused so much lately I'm just going to take my 8% and 24% gains and be happy. 5/11/2009 9:41:12 AM |
1985 All American 2175 Posts user info edit post |
I had some lucky picks today. entered into YGE at 8.40 and FEED at 3.88 yesterday 5/11/2009 2:58:46 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
^ FEED -- interesting. don't know why i didn't have that on my radar 5/11/2009 4:56:08 PM |
1985 All American 2175 Posts user info edit post |
^ I've been in and out since around $2.00, I jumped ship when swine flu hit, but it didn't phase them at all. 5/11/2009 5:00:21 PM |
prep-e All American 4843 Posts user info edit post |
If only I had the patience to hold on to some of my stocks a little longer....
11/21/2008 GNW BOUGHT 2620 SHARES OF GNW AT $0.8501 12/1/2008 GNW SOLD 2620 SHARES OF GNW AT $1.2604 5/11/2009 GNW was at $6.18 per share
3/6/2009 HIG BOUGHT 650 SHARES OF HIG AT $3.4118 3/9/2009 HIG SOLD 650 SHARES OF HIG AT $4.00 5/8/2009 HIG was at $18.16 per share 5/11/2009 8:20:07 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, I bought 1000 of FAS at 2.75 on March 9, was previously holding 800 of it from 4.85. 5/11/2009 8:24:58 PM |
prep-e All American 4843 Posts user info edit post |
^oh yeah, that reminds me...
3/6/2009 FAS BOUGHT 920 SHARES OF FAS AT $2.39 3/5/2009 FAS BOUGHT 600 SHARES OF FAS AT $3.30 3/11/2009 FAS SOLD 1520 SHARES OF FAS AT $4.25
5/7/2009 FAS was at $13.27 per share 5/11/2009 8:43:36 PM |
hershculez All American 8483 Posts user info edit post |
won't FAS and FAZ just just asymptotically approach 0? 5/11/2009 8:49:27 PM |
prep-e All American 4843 Posts user info edit post |
yes they decay towards 0 because of the volatility, but Proshares will do a reverse split once it gets low enough
not a great idea to hold them long term although it can work out well sometimes 5/11/2009 8:52:15 PM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
^^ read up http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/975-Personal-Responsibility-In-Investing.html
[Edited on May 11, 2009 at 8:53 PM. Reason : .] 5/11/2009 8:53:10 PM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
I went into safe mode at the end of last week parking most of my money in mcdonalds at 53 until I see what the market decides it wants to do. Figure thats a very non volatile play with potential upside and not a lot of downside at 53 so until I get bored and wanna play with some risk again or until MCD heads about 56.50 Im living the boring life lol 5/12/2009 3:48:59 PM |
NCSUMEB All American 2530 Posts user info edit post |
Good article ^^, it basically says if you invest $100 in the SDS (S&P Bear 2x) and 100 in the SSO (S&P bull 2x) and the S&P goes up 5% on day one, the SDS is at 90, the SSO is at 110. On Day 2, the S&P goes back down 5%, somebody might be thinking, no problem, we're back to where we started but actually, 5% @2x of the SDS at 90 is 9, so it's at 99. Now with the SSO, 5% @2x of 110 is 11, so the SSO is at 99. So you have two trading days were there is no net move in the S&P and both the SDS and SSO are less than where you started, pretty much explains compounding interest. Probably why people day trade it and don't hold it. Although anything you went bullish on from early March is doing nicely.
[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 11:52 PM. Reason : .] 5/12/2009 11:51:47 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
small amount of EDC @ 69
[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM. Reason : ] 5/13/2009 10:24:18 AM |
robster All American 3545 Posts user info edit post |
400 shares of FAZ yesterday at 5.38. Saw it XLF start bouncing down off of the 5 day MA resistance, and couldnt help myself.
Keeping my stops tight at this point, although I probably shouldnt be holding this overnight. Guess only tomorrow will tell. 5/13/2009 4:04:14 PM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
Bailed on McDonalds today and moved into walmart at 49.65 before earnings will see how it decides to treat me 5/13/2009 4:39:44 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
I feel like punching myself in the face. Still new to the game I jumped in early on the drop in retail bandwagon and the coming CRE blow up by playing BBY short and SRS long. I was holding SRS at 35 for 400 shares and after it seemed around the 20 level was support I was wanting to double down on a plunge one day last week, the market was about to close and I fat fingered a sell of those 400 shares at 21.50 instead of a buy of 400. Finally, the GS and ML pump of the REITs is abating and SRS closes at nearly 25 today. That's only a $2800 mistake. I suppose I could have just bought 800 shares and wasted a whole $5 in commission, but by that point, I guess I was finally glad to be rid of the SRS hell.
Quote : | "Saw it XLF start bouncing down off of the 5 day MA resistance, and couldnt help myself.p" |
I don't know that I have seen any technician use a 5 day MA as an indicator.
[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 5:24 PM. Reason : .]5/13/2009 5:22:33 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Probably why people day trade it and don't hold it. Although anything you went bullish on from early March is doing nicely." |
I've done very well with option trading on the 3x ETFs. There are ways to make money on them, but buying it and putting it under a mattress is almost sure to bite you in the ass.
I'm sitting on some XLF, but I've forgotten why that's in my portfolio.5/13/2009 5:40:38 PM |
rallydurham Suspended 11317 Posts user info edit post |
401k Quote : | "Personal Rate of Return from 01/01/2009 to 05/12/2009 is 10.1%" |
I rode gold the first part of the year and energy/china/asia the last few months...
I'm making a big natural gas and energy play today on the pullback.
I don't know what my brokerage account is up % wise this year but it's pretty big since AAPL and POT are my two largest positions.... I try to be a lot more conservative in my retirement accounts...5/13/2009 6:13:36 PM |
theDuke866 All American 52839 Posts user info edit post |
wow, i lost 4% today, and that's without any current Proshares holdings...just regular stocks and a couple of ETFs. 5/13/2009 7:34:02 PM |
lafta All American 14880 Posts user info edit post |
^stop bragging, i lost 20% today 5/13/2009 11:46:49 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
I was down a good bit, but it was down enough to let me close out some covered calls that expire Friday and were near or barely over the strike price.
On the next decent up day I'll probably sell June calls on the same ones. This volatility is great for anyone who does options. 5/14/2009 1:24:58 AM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
The VIX is down a ton compared to some of the record highs we saw in the past six months. There is still some premium there to make the ole time decay strategy still work for you, but with this markets tendency to really start moving with momentum in one direction or the other, you have to be a bit careful about which ones you're choosing to sell.
It used to be you sell covereds on FAS/FAZ and you had so much downside protection that even big moves didn't really shake you too much, now it seems the premiums aren't quite as healthy to keep you comfortable when the trend changes. I know I looked at some June 12 FAS calls last week in the mid-upper 2 range that would already have you under that cost basis point if you got it at an elevated price. Though, if you've been holding it for awhile, then the premium was still nice, but these things decay entirely too much for my liking now. 5/14/2009 7:09:14 AM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
putting tight trailing stops on nearly everything...
...
as of the time of edit, most of the sells have already been triggered.
[Edited on May 14, 2009 at 9:56 AM. Reason : update] 5/14/2009 9:41:25 AM |
robster All American 3545 Posts user info edit post |
bought some FAZ here at 5.55 ... (solf my 400 shares from yesterday at 6.05 this morning) ...
in for 1k shares 5/14/2009 3:23:45 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
I picked up some SIRI to sit on. I did some reading today and it might head back to >$1. 5/14/2009 4:01:38 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
I too decided to hate money again and bought 1000 of FAZ at 5.5980 5/14/2009 4:03:14 PM |
Eleventy Starting Lineup 93 Posts user info edit post |
Does anyone here use SogoTrade? They offer $3 a trade, $1.50 a trade if you pay them $10 a month. I'm getting sick of E-TRADE's asinine fees of $12.99 a trade. 5/14/2009 5:57:14 PM |
Fail Boat Suspended 3567 Posts user info edit post |
Sold out of all my FAZ at 5.70, market looks a little tepid. 5/15/2009 9:47:46 AM |