Fire coach for mediocre seasons and lack of Enthusiasm.
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Become apathetic fans and don't care about new losing coach.

12/3/2013 4:24:48 PM

Apathy Unlimited!!

12/3/2013 4:27:21 PM

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"And going winless, even with that excuse, is going to raise skepticism. That's not that radical of an idea. If he won one or two games, then you could say, "growing pains." Going 0-fer raises eyebrows. And understandably so."

I think raising eye brows is a little different then feeling some pressure/heat

12/3/2013 4:56:34 PM

It sure raised my eyebrows. I also shook my head after every result...

12/3/2013 4:58:40 PM

holy shit a really bad team had a really bad year

12/3/2013 5:47:48 PM

OUR STATE

12/3/2013 5:52:46 PM

holy shit a really bad shallow, weak team had a really bad year

12/3/2013 6:16:19 PM

I really love how some of you think a good coach should be able to get a group of players to win a football game no matter what their skill level is.

As if being a member of a college football team somehow imbues a person with some magical power to win football games with certain coaches at the helm.

"What's that son? You've got Cerebral Pasly? No worries, go suit up. I'm your coach and based on that you're gonna run for 362 yards and 5 touchdowns. Against Florida State. God speed."

Also, I'll go ahead and say it. We went 0-8 in the conference? Big fucking deal. It's not like we were going to a bowl game anyway. We went 0-8 in the conference and we still weren't the worst team in the ACC. Who was? The team our coach we just fired went to.

12/3/2013 6:29:16 PM

^ clearly you don't realize that good coaches and good players just know how to win

12/3/2013 6:33:09 PM

Apologists itt

12/3/2013 6:44:03 PM

^^ that's not his point. But that probably won't stop you both from consuming half this page arguing each others reading comprehension

[Edited on December 3, 2013 at 6:44 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2013 6:44:06 PM

that wasn't a serious post

12/3/2013 6:51:02 PM

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"Also, I'll go ahead and say it. We went 0-8 in the conference? Big fucking deal."

so... if you care that little about the program... why bother arguing with people that do? (you are posting in a thread dedicated to evaluating the credibility of the head coach)

coaches have a direct impact on a team's success. no, they can't make a paraplegic run a 4.2 forty. however, we're not talking about physically incapable people... these guys at least made it to the D1 football level for a reason. it's the coach's job to improve their skills and put them in the best position possible to win games. this includes not being incredibly predictable with playcalling (shirreffs had how many plays where he didn't run it? one/two? and please, run shadrach up the middle just a few more times) and not making ridiculously stupid calls (let's go for it on fourth on our own 30.. it worked great the last time we did it)

[Edited on December 3, 2013 at 6:59 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2013 6:52:42 PM

Hark she speaks! I will set down what comes from her to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly.

12/3/2013 6:58:48 PM

It's embarrassing.

Doeren shouldn't be fired or anything but it should never be acceptable to not win a single ACC game. Shit, even Duke stops tolerating that after a while.

12/3/2013 7:00:45 PM

Lol, I care about this team immensely. I just don't think going winless in the conference is the end of the world.

Putting a team in the best possible position to win games, and winning games aren't the same thing. I keep hearing people repeating these two things over and over in this thread as if they are.

I think Doeren did everything he could within reason to put our team in the best possible position to win games. I just don't think we had the talent level to actually win conference games.

12/3/2013 7:12:32 PM

are you somehow related to him?

because if not, you are posting as if you may have a crush on the dude

12/3/2013 7:39:16 PM

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"I think Doeren did everything he could within reason to put our team in the best possible position to win games. I just don't think we had the talent level to actually win conference games."

ROFL

good lord I'm in stitches

make it stop

12/3/2013 8:23:26 PM

[Edited on December 3, 2013 at 8:27 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2013 8:25:23 PM

^^Considering:

I think Doeren did everything he could...

12/3/2013 8:29:48 PM

if doeren was worth a shit he would've put himself in at quarterback and completed all those passes that pete thomas couldn't and wouldn't have crumpled into a heap as soon as someone touched him like brandon mitchell

12/3/2013 8:40:39 PM

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"I think all the people that have been around here and understand what we’re doing from the inside-out really get the progress,” Doeren said last week. “Unfortunately, the win-loss part of it hasn’t matched up with that, but we know where the program is headed."

Hasn't matched up with what?

[Edited on December 3, 2013 at 8:44 PM. Reason : from Doeren, http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/02/3427180/decock-doerens-troubled-debut.htm]

12/3/2013 8:43:42 PM

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"but we know where the program is headed"

uhhhh.... the shitter????

12/3/2013 8:49:20 PM

Headed? lol

Carter Finley just needs a flush handle and we'll be golden.

12/3/2013 11:13:10 PM

TOB could have gotten us 6 wins and a bowl this year maybe. SO WHAT?

I rather go winless for two years straight with a completely uncertain future than a certain future of 6 win seasons (or 7 when we have an nfl qb.)

we won games because glennon was an nfl qb going god mode all by himself. there were so many plays last year where balls hit wrs in the head, amazing passes were thrown with free running d-linemen, and dropped balls.

our team last year would not have won many more than 3 games without glennon. that was obvious and thats what this year was destined to be. that was why he was fired.

amatos teams had great players. the defense was stacked. he inherited an nfl defense, nfl qb and nfl running backs. Of course he did well.

How many of those type of players were on this team?

You have to remember we are competing against other coaches and teams who are also professionals and big time and are also playing to their strenths with players recruited to do a specific job and are putting them in the best position to win.

We were very close to beating two top 20 teams this year. That is bright side.

You don't want DD to come in and not run his style. You want him to run the style he is an expert at teaching which is what we hired him to do. This year was just one long preseason for next season all along. Nobody gives a shit about some shitty bowl appearance.

[Edited on December 3, 2013 at 11:36 PM. Reason : tob coached 3 qbs. 2 of those 3 were top 4 in school history. ]

[Edited on December 3, 2013 at 11:37 PM. Reason : 1 was amatos so no he does not get credit for making them nflers. if anything he ran wilson off]

12/3/2013 11:35:02 PM

Every time this is bump. I just want to say "Not Credible".

12/3/2013 11:37:50 PM

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"I rather go winless for two years straight with a completely uncertain future than a certain future of 6 win seasons"

I'd rather win 6 games a year for 2 years than 0 games a year for 2 years

call me crazy

12/3/2013 11:46:16 PM

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"I'd rather win 6 games a year for 2 years than 0 games a year for 2 years call me crazy"

He was saying he would take two 0 win seasons followed by a possibility that we can improve as opposed to having every season cap out at 6 wins. I personally want State to some day be national champions so i'll take two seasons of shit fest if that means we will become a powerhouse. If only it works that way...

12/4/2013 12:02:56 AM

looks like we're one year into his hypothetical scenario. and it sucks.

12/4/2013 12:11:30 AM

lol, national champions.

12/4/2013 2:27:51 AM

Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina!

12/4/2013 2:57:59 AM

^^ eldude, stfu and get back to the PL thread. We miss you there...

12/4/2013 6:48:01 AM

Excuses build the house of failure.

12/4/2013 7:08:47 AM

To be fair this past weekend was the first time I ever followed through on my claim that I wasn't watching this team anymore. I have said it a bunch of times to myself over the years, but always by the next weekend I would sit down and suffer through another game. This week I instead watched Duke vs Carolina and Michigan vs Ohio State and guess what... I enjoyed it!

12/4/2013 8:43:46 AM

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"shirreffs had how many plays where he didn't run it? one/two? and please, run shadrach up the middle just a few more times"

I thought everyone understood that Shirreffs couldn't run the ball and was there to pretty much make a wildcat looking... thing.

Shadrach is not a speed runner, he's a power runner. In any play that wasn't a trick or where the defense was hot on his heels, he had trouble making it to the edge to get many yards.

I can agree with the sentiment that teams need to be flexible and change it up a bit in order to keep defenses off balance. The problem with that is you need to have weapons that can attack in all those different ways and we just didn't.

My biggest problem with the offense was that Thomas was getting pass/run option looks and he would always pull down and run, regardless of what the backfield was developing in to. It was infuriating.

12/4/2013 8:53:23 AM

National Title

12/4/2013 9:02:07 AM

Serious question: What do the DD defenders right now think is his ceiling? And please don't say 7-8-9 win seasons because we had that and that was not enough for a ton of the fanbase.

We forced out a coach that was 9-4, 8-5, and 7-5 with a 5-1 record over UNC. Do you all seriously think Doeren can take us to a higher level than that? His recruiting so far is marginally better than Tom's. His first class is going to be ranked lower than Tom's. His in-game coaching is very questionable and the team showed absolutely no improvement this year which is my main concern.

In 2015 my guess is we will be back to square one begging for Cowher to take the job.

12/4/2013 10:09:49 AM

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"We forced out a coach that was 9-4, 8-5, and 7-5"

He was only here for 3 years? Interesting, tell us more!

12/4/2013 10:15:11 AM

^^
He has taken NIU to the BCS. I believe thats his ceiling.


P.S: one can make a strong argument that it was Kill's squad and they are doing better now without Doeren, but my point still stands

[Edited on December 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM. Reason : ]

12/4/2013 10:15:54 AM

You have to see it in the context of what the ACC is now.

We will have yearly games against 3 teams that should realistically be competing for the ACC crown, which is a garbage grouping that was done to favor basketball and specifically provide Duke with multiple games against UNC and ND, which should get good national ratings.

Alas, we are stuck behind Clemson, FSU, and UofL in perpetuity.

Now, UofL and Clemson have historically had some pretty awful years. Strong CAN'T stay at UofL forever, right? And Clemson will tank at some point. Dabo will leave or fall into mediocrity like Danny Ford and Tommy Bowden.

So, say Doeren gets us back to TOB levels. 7 wins. 4 wins OOC, 3 in the ACC, likely over Wake, BC, and Syracuse. Throw in a win over UNC. That's 4-4. Then we sneak up and beat Clemson or UofL. The odds are low that it's both of them. 5-3.

That's basically our ceiling and there's no way that ever wins the ACC.

So basically we're boned whether the coach is/was TOB or Doeren.

The only way up would be to somehow get a coach with a record at or above that of the top 3 in the division.

Basically what I'm suggesting is that our only chance at winning the division ever is a South Carolina-like scenario where we catch a great coach on the way down from the NFL before anyone else does and give them lifetime unlimited access to Pinehurst.

Anyone know if Chip Kelly likes golf?

[Edited on December 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM. Reason : x]

12/4/2013 10:23:05 AM

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"He was only here for 3 years? Interesting, tell us more!"

Well since we are only going to compare the year's they have in common at NCSU:

Coach A: Inherited 3-9 team with a walk on at QB goes 5-7 (3-5) in year one. Team shows drastic improvement from the beginning of the season after tough loss to UCF 25-23.

Coach B: Inherited 7-6 team with a 4* QB recruit and another transfer he recruited and goes 3-9 (0-8). Team loses every ACC game by 2 or more scores.

[Edited on December 4, 2013 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ^Chip's team is exceeding expectations with Foles so IDK that he will be available anytime soon]

12/4/2013 10:24:51 AM

Well then I hope no one grabs Greg Schiano once he gets fired and we can get him after next year if we don't improve. That's like a 9 win ceiling, but who knows what Rutgers would have been in a better conference?

I honestly don't want to take a risk on another mid-major or assistant coach. I'd rather drop down to the AAC.

[Edited on December 4, 2013 at 10:35 AM. Reason : x]

12/4/2013 10:34:32 AM

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"He has taken NIU to the BCS. I believe thats his ceiling."

And they got rewarded by getting beat down by FSU 31-10, a team that we beat. Just saying.

[Edited on December 4, 2013 at 10:38 AM. Reason : ^Schiano was coach for all 5 bowl wins in Rutgers history, pretty impressive]

12/4/2013 10:36:17 AM

12/4/2013 10:37:24 AM

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"We will have yearly games against 3 teams that should realistically be competing for the ACC crown, which is a garbage grouping that was done to favor basketball"

I don't understand this. There are no divisions in ACC hoops.

12/4/2013 11:04:56 AM

There are for scheduling purposes.

12/4/2013 11:10:00 AM

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"Serious question: What do the DD defenders right now think is his ceiling? And please don't say 7-8-9 win seasons because we had that and that was not enough for a ton of the fanbase. We forced out a coach that was 9-4, 8-5, and 7-5 with a 5-1 record over UNC. Do you all seriously think Doeren can take us to a higher level than that? His recruiting so far is marginally better than Tom's. His first class is going to be ranked lower than Tom's. His in-game coaching is very questionable and the team showed absolutely no improvement this year which is my main concern. In 2015 my guess is we will be back to square one begging for Cowher to take the job."

I'm fine with more 8-9 win seasons if they're against better competition.

12/4/2013 11:55:29 AM

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"Coach A: Inherited 3-9 team with a walk on at QB goes 5-7 (3-5) in year one. Team shows drastic improvement from the beginning of the season after tough loss to UCF 25-23. Coach B: Inherited 7-6 team with a 4* QB recruit and another transfer he recruited and goes 3-9 (0-8). Team loses every ACC game by 2 or more scores."

They didn't inherit any of those teams. Coach B didn't have Mike Glennon on his team. Also to say he recruited the QB like he had the pick of the litter is crazy. There were two transfers out there that could work and he got one. It's not like he had 50 options to choose from.

12/4/2013 11:57:57 AM

I have trouble believing that Louisville will be a power in football for very long.. If they ever were

12/4/2013 12:20:38 PM

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"4* QB recruit"

And if you honestly believe that we actually got a 4* QB this after watching him play this season then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

12/4/2013 12:21:27 PM