you can feed an army with that herring

4/1/2016 6:13:01 PM

I guess always living in the present has its advantages?

4/1/2016 8:37:32 PM

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"What does wealth have to do with anything? It's not as if crime and poverty have any correlation. The only correlation is white cops harass black citizens because 2016 society is racist. The way to solve this is for all white men to apologize and acknowledge they are racist, they can do this by spamming hashtags and white-guilt articles in social media. Also if you disagree with this you are a racist bigot homophobe. - JCE2011"

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"synapse I don’t use strawmen arguments. - JCE2011"

-http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=645750&page=5#16253157

LOL

[Edited on April 2, 2016 at 2:33 AM. Reason : tags]

[Edited on April 2, 2016 at 2:34 AM. Reason : again]

4/2/2016 2:33:22 AM

http://gawker.com/officers-in-south-carolina-conduct-casual-roadside-sear-1768523435

When was the last time you were searched anally?

Anecdote: my friend (black man) was once stopped in the UWS while looking for parking bc "he had a plastic border around his license". Makes total sense!

4/2/2016 9:09:10 AM

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"I was poor as shit and white.... Who do I get to blame??"

Quote :

"^^ probably your worthless parents or grand parents."

I feel like this is kind of the beginning and the end of the argument on both sides of the fence?

poor as shit white and black kids have worthless parents who make poor financial decisions ...

/thread

4/2/2016 12:11:24 PM

Problem is, for a lot of black parents, and almost certainly for most black grandparents, government and social policies specifically limited their opportunity or ability to make good financial decisions. You don't need to look much farther than the girl being escorted to school by the national guard or why Mississippi has a rebel flag on their state flag to see how this could be the case.

This isn't the case for any substantial number of white people.

/thread

4/2/2016 12:18:37 PM

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"/thread"

DEAL!

4/3/2016 12:18:21 PM

#27 Going skiing all the time

4/3/2016 1:51:54 PM

How is a summary of all the SJW's points a strawman argument? Even if I'm being sarcastic, it's reflective of what has been said ITT by the bleeding-hearts.

4/3/2016 11:00:53 PM

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"synapse I don’t use strawmen arguments. - JCE2011"

JCE and HUR are so fucking stupid they can't understand what a strawman argument is, despite posting them over and over and over and getting called out for them over and over and over. They're simple creatures.

4/3/2016 11:07:27 PM

I don't think synapse has contributed 1 original thought to this entire discussion. His posts are only links, pictures, or 1 liners insulting people that post things he disagrees with.

Seriously, I don't think he has 1 post ITT that is more than 1-2 sentences. Unless you count when he spent 30 minutes to quote HUR 100 times... because if you can't argue against something you might as well try to label someone as a racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe/Islamaphobe. #Liberalism101

4/3/2016 11:12:50 PM

Apparently the truth hurts, but congrats on a strawman-free post.

We should throw a party or something.

[Edited on April 3, 2016 at 11:26 PM. Reason : COMPOUND SENTANCES ARE HARD]

4/3/2016 11:25:11 PM

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"Problem is, for a lot of black parents, and almost certainly for most black grandparents, government and social policies specifically limited their opportunity or ability to make good financial decisions. You don't need to look much farther than the girl being escorted to school by the national guard or why Mississippi has a rebel flag on their state flag to see how this could be the case. This isn't the case for any substantial number of white people. "

So what happens for those same black families for the next generation, the one after and so on? Are you always going to blame the racist laws of 1950? Those actual systemic racist policies have been long gone and there has been more than one generation since who have had the opportunity to lift themselves up. Many have and many haven't. How is pretending like white privilege exists supposed to help one kid who is not white today?

4/4/2016 10:36:57 AM

Most of our parents were born in the 1950's. It's not that far in the past.

4/4/2016 10:57:42 AM

guys could someone explain to me how THE MIRACLE OF COMPOUND INTEREST might continue to give an unfair advantage to me and the generational wealth i've inherited/will pass on compared to disadvantaged minorities who haven't had the same opportunities as me and my ancestors to accrue and bequeath wealth

i thought it got better every year but apparently...???!??!?!?!?! ELI5

4/4/2016 11:23:13 AM

in case it wasn't clear jtdenny i am making fun of you for being dumb

4/4/2016 11:24:49 AM

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"Those actual systemic racist policies have been long gone and there has been more than one generation since who have had the opportunity to lift themselves up."

lift themselves up by the government provided crack cocaine

4/4/2016 11:43:31 AM

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" Those actual systemic racist policies have been long gone"

http://www.blackenterprise.com/small-business/black-farmers-shut-out-of-legal-marijuana-business/

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" In many states that have legalized medical marijuana, people with drug-related felony convictions cannot open cannabis-related businesses. Additionally, application fees and licensing fees for medical marijuana dispensaries often total tens of thousands of dollars, further keeping opportunity at arm’s length for many minority entrepreneurs. ... But the law stipulates that those who qualify for licensing must have operated as a registered nursery in Florida for 30 consecutive years — a criterion that many, if not all, black farmers in the state can’t meet. Farmers of color say they’ve been hampered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)’s past discriminatory practices that have made it difficult for them to thrive in the industry."

4/4/2016 12:29:06 PM

Lmao

So which requirement listed is "racist", moron? Oh, my mistake, I keep forgetting it is "racist" until proven not racist, and even then it is still probably racist #liberalism.

4/4/2016 2:44:58 PM

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" No person shall be registered as an elector of this state or be allowed to vote in any election held herein, unless he be able to read and write any section of the Constitution of the state of Oklahoma ; but no person who was, on January 1, 1866, or any time prior thereto, entitled to vote under any form of government, or who at that time resided in some foreign nation, and no lineal descendant of such person, shall be denied the right to register and vote because of his inability to so read and write sections of such Constitution"

4/4/2016 3:16:39 PM

So is it white privilege to afford the whopping $10 and having the ability to plan 1 day out of 250 open business days to arrange to visit the DMV to acquire an identification card necessary to prove your identity when voting?

4/4/2016 3:49:17 PM

^ this may be hard for someone so full of empathy as yourself to believe, but many people cannot sacrifice the hours required to wait at the DMV for an ID. Single parent households, those working hourly wages with no PTO, those working two or three jobs, senior citizens who need assistance getting around, handicapped, etc.

Even if the ID is free there is still a cost to obtain it.

[Edited on April 5, 2016 at 10:38 AM. Reason : a]

4/5/2016 10:33:42 AM

How do you propose these same people make it out to the polls to vote if they cannot find a way to break away from their 3 jobs?

4/5/2016 11:53:22 AM

Quote :

"guys could someone explain to me how THE MIRACLE OF COMPOUND INTEREST might continue to give an unfair advantage to me and the generational wealth i've inherited/will pass on compared to disadvantaged minorities who haven't had the same opportunities as me and my ancestors to accrue and bequeath wealth i thought it got better every year but apparently...???!??!?!?!?! ELI5"

So you inherit wealth and will pass that down. Good for you, but to assume I will based solely on the color of my skin makes you a racist asshole.

4/5/2016 11:59:15 AM

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"^ this may be hard for someone so full of empathy as yourself to believe, but many people cannot sacrifice the hours required to wait at the DMV for an ID. Single parent households, those working hourly wages with no PTO, those working two or three jobs, senior citizens who need assistance getting around, handicapped, etc. "

This may be hard for YOU to understand, but the christian right thinks fuck sex education, and definitely fuck anyone who becomes a single parent, because... somethin somethin pro life. If for some reason you did fuck up, then the christian right's tax money shouldn't have to pay to educate your bastard child. Those parents should have made just immediately now start making better decisions.

[Edited on April 5, 2016 at 12:08 PM. Reason : Didn't Jesus said something about little children suffering anyways.]

4/5/2016 12:04:20 PM

theres' a fuck load of crazy on this page ... just saying

4/5/2016 12:20:20 PM

jtdenny said:

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"So you inherit wealth and will pass that down. Good for you, but to assume I will based solely on the color of my skin makes you a racist asshole."

Hey, man. Let me break it down for you using the smallest words I can.

Whether you yourself as a white person have inherited or bequeathed wealth has absolutely nothing to do with the stone-cold fact that white privilege exists, has disadvantaged minorities, and continues to disadvantage minorities--in particular blacks--through the mechanism of generational wealth!

Cast your mind back to the far-flung era of THE AMERICA OF ONE MILLION B.C. One of your shitheel white ancestors has a bucket. There is also a shitheel black person who has a bucket. EQUALITY ACHIEVED, except the black person is a slave.

Your shitheel white ancestor dies. Uh oh! Luckily, he had a will. He passed his bucket on to his son. Lo, that son and all his sons' sons will start their lives with at least that bucket for as long as it lasts, if the Good Lord wills it and the creek don't rise.

The black person dies. The bucket goes to...wait, what's this? Says here that he is property and has no property of his own, that it goes to his white master. Welp, I guess someone might have two buckets now?!?!?!?!?!

And this continues on down through the ages, however many generations you like. Let's say it's like four generations of slavery even though that is a heaping crock of shit. Four generations of blacks who weren't able to pass on their bucket.

Meanwhile, four generations of your shitheel ancestors have enjoyed: a bucket, a bucket and a ladle, a bucket and a ladle and a hole they dug, a bucket and a ladle and a hole that is now a pond and oh my God look how big the gap has gotten!

The Good King Lincoln abolishes slavery. Yay! Now all these shitheel whites and blacks are on equal footing!

Oh, wait, except for all those buckets and shit.

Man, maybe we should give the black guys some buckets? I don't know, my family started without a bucket, and look at us now! If we can work hard and get a bucket and a ladle and a pond, maybe those colored fellas could pull themselves up by their bootstraps. There's no unfair advantage since abolition, no sir!

Now join me on a journey to AMERICAN IN THE YEAR 10,000. Sure, the blacks--formerly sans bucket--now rule a vast water empire built upon the mining rights to an interstellar cloud of water larger than Earth Prime itself. Great, they came a long way since their first bucket!

Where are your shitheel descendants? Well, they did the water empire thing in like 5,300 A.D. They've transcended material space and exist in a theoretical construct of pure privilege. Seems like they got a big head start from sooooooooomewheeeeeeeeere but can I put my finger on it? Nothing to do with meeeeeeeeee, that's RACIST!

4/5/2016 12:49:26 PM

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"How do you propose these same people make it out to the polls to vote if they cannot find a way to break away from their 3 jobs?"

Well certainly the hours of a polling station (6:30am-7:30pm) can give someone more opportunity to find time versus the 8am-5pm of the DMV.

You're right in the idea that a person too busy to make it to the DMV may not be able to make it to a polling station, but why make it harder for them? There has been no concrete findings that show voter fraud in anything more than an aberration or clerical issues.

[Edited on April 5, 2016 at 1:08 PM. Reason : a]

4/5/2016 1:07:06 PM

100% Electronic voting is inevitable. True or false?

[Edited on April 5, 2016 at 1:23 PM. Reason : ]

4/5/2016 1:22:49 PM

maybe

4/5/2016 3:24:25 PM

Quote :

" this may be hard for someone so full of empathy as yourself to believe, but many people cannot sacrifice the hours required to wait at the DMV for an ID. Single parent households, those working hourly wages with no PTO, those working two or three jobs, senior citizens who need assistance getting around, handicapped, etc. Even if the ID is free there is still a cost to obtain it. "

Sounds like some Social Justice BULLSHIT and whining. I am totally against policies that help
prop up the GOP but this one is just too common sense (even despite the hypocrisy pointed out
by John Oliver regarding Voter ID candidates committing voter fraud withing legislatures by
voting for their colleagues)

How do you accomplish anything in society without an ID. From the stereotypical buying 40's, to visiting
the doctors office, or picking up one of the 7 kids in your brood from elementary school during the day if they are sick
(at least before the secreatary knows you) without an ID.

I don't see who functions as an adult without an ID unless they live in a cabin in the middle
of the wilderness. Even the homeless here in PDX have ID's in order to get into the homeless shelter.

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"Man, maybe we should give the black guys some buckets? I don't know, my family started without a bucket, and look at us now! If we can work hard and get a bucket and a ladle and a pond, maybe those colored fellas could pull themselves up by their bootstraps. There's no unfair advantage since abolition, no sir!"

Interesting that minorities from all over the world come to the US with nothing (even Africans) and can manage to
make a life. One where they don't blame shit that happened 60 years ago for the reason they got arrested for dealing
crack or knocked up at 17.

Once again how much fault is it of those in the ghetto for their own predicament versus being some big conspiracy
to ONLY OPPRESS African-Americans.

4/5/2016 3:41:20 PM

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"Interesting that minorities from all over the world come to the US"

You won't be able to use this argument for long

[Edited on April 5, 2016 at 3:45 PM. Reason : lol]

4/5/2016 3:44:45 PM

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"One where they don't blame shit that happened 60 years agoObama for the reason they got arrested for dealing crackmeth or knocked up at 17. "

we all have our bad apples.

4/5/2016 4:48:37 PM

Friendly reminder that our dear leader Obama murders syrian children from remotely controled space ravens

[Edited on April 5, 2016 at 5:34 PM. Reason : hehe]

4/5/2016 5:34:17 PM

I wouldn't describe A10s, F22s, and B1s as remote controlled.

4/5/2016 6:18:50 PM

Well at least the bucket bullshit is somewhat a new spin on bullshit

4/5/2016 6:18:59 PM

Yah I had t heard the bucket speech yet. That was nice

4/5/2016 7:51:49 PM

^^ what about inherited wealth do you find to be bullshit?

4/5/2016 11:06:48 PM

a large chunk of the population will never inherit a bucket due to poor parents, and a large portion of the population didn't have a bucket to their name when they immigrated into this country during the last 150 years. We've had Cubans practically floating into this country on buckets to escape the oppression in their homeland. We've had Chinese immigrants being smuggled into this country 3 buckets in debt to their snakeheads. Those groups seem to be doing better on average than descendants of former slaves in this country, despite being just as discriminated against by White America. Trying to claim that inheritance laws from 150 years ago are the big difference maker here is so naïve that it's comical.

4/6/2016 12:04:26 AM

Inherited wealth is a huge contributing factor to the wealth gap between blacks and whites. This is so self evident it's almost comical anyone would deny this. Is is axiomatic when people talk about the wealth gap.

This isn't necessarily a problem though, there's not much you can do about this. This problem comes in when wealth is denied from the black community when a person was entitled to some gain or benefit, which was literally the law a few decades ago, and still happens in more subtle ways today.

Even if you're a poor white, you benefit from this system... When welfare was restricted to poor whites, or va benefits were restricted to white soldiers, or poor whites get better rates on loans (still happening), this has a compounding effect, and has for many generations.

This is why socioeconomics and systemic racism are different issues (but still related).

4/6/2016 12:23:17 AM

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"Those groups seem to be doing better on average than descendants of former slaves in this country, despite being just as discriminated against by White America."

nah.

4/6/2016 12:29:08 AM

Quote :

"^^ what about inherited wealth do you find to be bullshit? "

Because you don't have to inherit a dime to get free public schooling, work through college and get a decent job. This works for anyone of any race who puts in the effort.

4/6/2016 12:29:41 AM

so you're under the impression that all public education is the same?

4/6/2016 12:32:20 AM

not all schools are the same, I know some have more resources than others because I went to a school that was literally falling apart and condemned in certain areas. even in the worst schools if you apply yourself you can graduate and find a college

4/6/2016 12:47:44 AM

4/6/2016 1:44:32 AM

jtdenny said:

Quote :

"even in the worst schools if you apply yourself you can graduate and find a college"

...as long as you benefit from white privilege..

4/6/2016 6:25:23 AM

And to you fucking idiots who think you're so clever saying IMMIGRANTS AIN'T GOT BUCKETS NEITHER, these people had the opportunity to build & pass on wealth in their home countries in a way that the descendants of slaves did not, and their money doesn't magically disappear when they get here.

Jesus fucking Christ, you shit-sipping mouthbreathers, even modest wealth allows someone to have a nourishing diet, attend school, make valuable social connections, and oh yeah emigrate somewhere with better opportunities. Yeah, fine, I'll pretend all immigrants hit our shores and magically start from zero. Can you fucking acknowledge that the descendants of slaves started from -100?

It's like you don't have a goddamn brain in your heads whatsoever, as if your surface perceptions of how the world appears to you are the sum total of what is, as if your hands are so slick with your own drool that you can't grasp anything new. I hate you, and I hope you die.

4/6/2016 6:34:49 AM

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"White supremacy is decimating a community for decades with criminal charges and disproportionately high incarceration rates over a drug, only to later arrive at the realization that said drug is virtually harmless and potentially very profitable, legalizing said drug (with no restorative justice for those serving sentences or grappling with criminal records), and then making it a requirement that dispensary operators have no felonies on their record (which, because of all the felonies doled out before the government came to its senses, means that less than 1% of legal marijuana dispensaries are black owned). [White privilege in] America."

4/6/2016 11:29:54 AM

^ So true

4/6/2016 11:47:09 AM

is the fact that we apparently have enough support systems in place to get someone as dumb as jtdenny through college an example of white privilege or just a sign of our declining standards in higher education?

4/6/2016 11:47:44 AM