Yeah I just love it when republicans use examples of election fraud to prove they need strict voter ID.

1/25/2017 10:00:52 PM

So now his staff is calling directly for people to ignore media outlets, and to get their news from the president.

Unreal.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/lamar-smith-donald-trump-news/index.html

1/25/2017 10:01:49 PM

i am really glad to see the media asking tough questions, holding the president accountable for his lies, and fact-checking

i just wish they'd done it for the last 8 years

1/25/2017 10:17:09 PM

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"Hey JCE how much longer until you start telling us all how culture mixing is the failed policy of the left, America is a White European nation who needs to protect her identity, and minorities need to self segregate and repatriate back to their homelands peacefully before the government has to do it for them. If you're already there and I've missed it I apologize for not reading through the whole backlog of horseshit you spout on a regular basis. And if you don't feel this way then please feel free to denounce the above stance and any who hold it."

The real question is, as a Clinton supporter, will you denounce the KKK? Will you officially disavow Clinton's connection to her mentor, Robert Byrd (a member of the KKK). Why do you associate with such openly racist candidates? How much longer until you tell us we need to bring back slavery?

And if you don't feel this way then please feel free to denounce the above stance and any who hold it

Quote :

"Cost about what? Seriously? The cost to search for voter fraud, dumbass. Unless you have an idea of how that can be done for free...."

You missed the point. I haven't been critical of "costs" in the past if they were actually something that benefited the nation as a whole. I've been critical of socialist policies aka redistribution of wealth. Using tax dollars to verify the integrity of the democratic process, eh I've seen worse uses of tax dollars. (dumbass)

1/25/2017 10:23:03 PM

should we formally disavow everyone associated with KKK members and remove them from public office? I'm ok with that.

1/25/2017 10:33:08 PM

I, for one, am super excited about the higher taxes I'm inevitably going to have to pay to build this fucking wall.

1/25/2017 10:56:21 PM

how much is that thing gonna cost?

1/25/2017 11:00:58 PM

idk ask Mexico bro

1/25/2017 11:07:31 PM

Quote :

"You missed the point. I haven't been critical of "costs" in the past if they were actually something that benefited the nation as a whole. I've been critical of socialist policies aka redistribution of wealth. Using tax dollars to verify the integrity of the democratic process, eh I've seen worse uses of tax dollars. (dumbass)"

No, as usual, it is you who misses the point. Please recall that your question was:

Quote :

"But I can't understand adamantly opposing something that would validate that it is not..."

I simply answered your question: COST is one reason. It is irrelevant whether you agree or disagree with cost being an issue: It IS an issue for some people, thus answering your question. Dumbass.

Nice try at moving the goalpost, however.

1/25/2017 11:23:24 PM

Are we going to invade Mexico to make them pay!????

Bc that sounds cheap.

1/25/2017 11:27:20 PM

Quote :

"This is the point. Is Trump himself a highly calculating super villain? NO. But has he risen to power off of a wave of nationalistic fear and demagoguery? YES. Has he inherited a massive, unaccountable apparatus of state surveillance and militarism? YES Did he send out his press secretary out on the first day to scold and reprimand the media and to declare official falsehoods? YES Is he the kind of man who is willing to use all those tools to exact political scores? YES"

I mean, JHC has a point. And it's the point that many have been trying to make. Think of the absolute worst person you could ever imagine as President. Then imagine giving him whatever new power you are saying the government should have. If you are not OK with the worst person you can think of using that power, then you shouldn't enact whatever policy you are proposing. And people laughed at us...

1/25/2017 11:29:45 PM

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"i am really glad to see the media asking tough questions, holding the president accountable for his lies, and fact-checking i just wish they'd done it for the last 8 years"

I'm curious as to why you stopped at 8 years. I seem to recall invading a country based on false information, and the media defaulting on their duty to inform us of said false information.

Look, I'm gonna let everyone in on a not so big secret. Governments in power trade access to the obedient press in exchange for favorable coverage. USA Today and the NY Times both went along with the WMD lie in exchange for access. Journalists trade integrity for opportunities to rub shoulders with the powerful ALL THE TIME. The only reason why CNN, etc are currently challenging this administration is because, so far, this administration is not playing the same game as previous administrations.

But fear not, soon enough we will be treated to "human interest stories" aka puff pieces about Ivanka Trump and that lousy cocksucker Kushner. The journalists who play along will be rewarded for their service as reliable stenographers, and those who buck will be targeted with vicious attacks (a la Megan Kelly). Bank on it.

1/25/2017 11:51:45 PM

This abc interview today was sad. I'm starting to believe trump has some disease or dementia.

The story he told to congress why he thinks there's voter fraud is pretty too

1/25/2017 11:54:15 PM

Quote :

"I, for one, am super excited about the higher taxes I'm inevitably going to have to pay to build this fucking wall."

It's okay, it'll just be added to the national debt in the meantime.

1/26/2017 12:11:47 AM

I can't see how congress can conscionably fund this wall. Is it possible this is just a tactic to take the wall off the table or scaled back, just to push the other measures through unscathed?

Just seems insanely irresponsible to burn so much cash on something that has no rational basis for achieving its goals. It's literally a very expensive monument.

1/26/2017 12:17:40 AM

Are they tearing down the couple billion dollars worth of wall and fence already along the boarder?

And who in the world is building this thing in the parts that are awful desserts?

1/26/2017 12:32:35 AM

Seems like puffery until we see what congress has.

Although Ryan was on TV saying they're going to build the wall. Not sure how these guys look themselves in the mirror...

1/26/2017 12:34:15 AM

Why do conservatives get away with calling liberals crybabies when Trump is the whiniest brat in every room he walks into?

1/26/2017 12:40:47 AM

Quote :

" I simply answered your question: COST is one reason. It is irrelevant whether you agree or disagree with cost being an issue: It IS an issue for some people, thus answering your question. Dumbass. Nice try at moving the goalpost, however."

You didn't answer my question, you implied I was hypocritical with how I applied my scrutiny for use of tax dollars:
"Any other time you'd be expressing concerns about COST. Funny how you suddenly forget those concerns here."

I replied to this accusation of hypocrisy to explain why it was bullshit. BTW: I'm delighted you came out of nowhere to jump on the TWW leftist bandwagon, but please, for the love of god, improve your reading comprehension. If I have to keep following the illogical nonsense in the leftist non-argument shit posting I will have a brain aneurysm.

1/26/2017 1:28:07 AM

Sorry, incorrect. You wondered why in the world anyone would be adamantly opposed to a large scale investigation of voter fraud. I explained that COST is one obvious objection; how did this not occur to you? I was not calling you a hypocrite; I don't give a shit if you consider cost an issue here or not. I was just making a snide comment on how fucking retarded you must be to not consider that cost would be an objection for some.

In the future, please think a little more deeply before wondering why oh why might someone object to such a large scale investigation.

And for the record, I did not come out of nowhere. This is not the first time I've schooled you, son.

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=647495&page=5#16348559

1/26/2017 1:52:23 AM

Quote :

"The real question is, as a Clinton supporter, will you denounce the KKK? Will you officially disavow Clinton's connection to her mentor, Robert Byrd (a member of the KKK). Why do you associate with such openly racist candidates? How much longer until you tell us we need to bring back slavery? And if you don't feel this way then please feel free to denounce the above stance and any who hold it "

I as a sane rational human being denounce the KKK, their hateful views, and all that hold them.

Don't deflect it was a simple question, and your flat refusal to answer it speaks volumes. If you agree with the statement then embrace it. If you don't then denounce it.

1/26/2017 3:08:16 AM

http://gizmodo.com/trump-staffers-are-reportedly-using-private-email-accou-1791625552

1/26/2017 7:22:46 AM

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"Brian Stelter Brian Stelter – Verified account ?@brianstelter 14 minutes apart: Fox says "ungrateful traitor," Trump says "ungrateful traitor," Fox says "weak leader," Trump says "weak leader." "

Re: Chelsea Manning.

Didn't someone mention this?

Not a big deal but it is a good idea where he gets his worldview from.

[Edited on January 26, 2017 at 7:53 AM. Reason : Also, mentioned Byrd is a pure troll. Nothing more.]

1/26/2017 7:52:48 AM

yeah trump is just copying Fox News, seems that is who is advising him

on the 8PM O'Reilly factor the other night there was a segment on violence in chicago that incldued the "228 shootings in 2017 (up 5.5% from last year" and "42 homicides in 2017 (up 24% from last year)" statistics. They had someone on who called it carnage and then wondered if Trump would send the feds.

an hour or so later Trump tweeted: "If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible 'carnage' going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!"

His out of nowhere flag burning tweet? flag burning mentioned on fox news that morning.

etc...

at least he is watching the news? :sad shrug:

1/26/2017 8:23:20 AM

Don't worry guys I think Trump has a plan. He is going to hire illegal immigrants to build the wall, then deport them, and not pay them. Everything will be fine.

1/26/2017 8:24:19 AM

Quote :

"All it is, is we’ll be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from Mexico,” he said. “I’m just telling you there will be a payment. It will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form"

1/26/2017 8:39:03 AM

What about the wall on the Canadian border?

1/26/2017 8:51:54 AM

They're white people up there, it's cool.

1/26/2017 9:01:17 AM

Canada is going to build their own wall to keep us out

1/26/2017 9:09:17 AM

https://youtu.be/XRnVdgmnBHA?t=22m50s

I recommend listening to this full interview but it's long (38 minutes). The most alarming thing to me was him dismissing people who oppose going into Iraq and taking their oil.

Quote :

" PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should have taken the oil. You wouldn't have ISIS if we took the oil. Now I wasn't talking about it from the standpoint of ISIS because the way we got out was horrible. We created a vacuum and ISIS formed. But had we taken the oil something else would've very good happened. They would not have been able to fuel their rather unbelievable drive to destroy large portions of the world. DAVID MUIR: You've heard the critics who say that would break all international law, taking the oil. But I wanna get to the words ... (OVERTALK) DAVID MUIR: ... that you ... PRESIDENT TRUMP: Wait, wait, can you believe that? Who are the critics who say that? Fools. DAVID MUIR: Let, let me ... PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't call them critics. I call them fools. DAVID MUIR: ... let me talk about your words ... PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should've kept -- excuse me. We should've taken the oil. And if we took the oil you wouldn't have ISIS. And we would have had wealth. We have spent right now $6 trillion in the Middle East. And our country is falling apart. "

EDIT:
https://youtu.be/XRnVdgmnBHA?t=31m23s
I know this is petty as fuck, but within 30 seconds Trump gets corrected on the name of the resolute desk and fails to remember who gave him a book about the election that he plugged during the interview.

[Edited on January 26, 2017 at 9:56 AM. Reason : EDIT]

1/26/2017 9:40:24 AM

It's interesting hearing him start to mirror 2000s era neocon think more and more. Not that it's surprising.

Glenn Greenwald made a pretty valid point yesterday. The minute Obama normalized what Bush/Cheney did and absolved them was the minute he allowed this to happen again. He had a chance to make a statement and he did not do it.

This isn't a critique of Democrats or Republicans, by the way. It's a case of "both sides" allowed this to continue and be put in the hands of an easily persuaded fool.

1/26/2017 10:04:58 AM

Cabbage, these two quotes below are different sentences. They have different words and imply diferent things. That's how language works.

Quote :

" I simply answered your question: COST is one reason. It is irrelevant whether you agree or disagree with cost being an issue: It IS an issue for some people, thus answering your "

Quote :

" "Any other time you'd be expressing concerns about COST. Funny how you suddenly forget those concerns here.""

You slipped in an accusation of hypocrisy in the bottom quote, which I responded to. Then you acted as if you had only stated the top quote, and said I was "moving goal posts" for replying to your initial accusation.

Like I said, please get better at this. Or I am going to have to start billing you a fee for being your English tutor.

Quote :

"Don't deflect it was a simple question, and your flat refusal to answer it speaks volumes. If you agree with the statement then embrace it. If you don't then denounce it."

Lmao who is this guy. I don't have to validate your bullshit accusations with lip service, son.

[Edited on January 26, 2017 at 10:16 AM. Reason : lol]

1/26/2017 10:10:45 AM

zim zam zing


[Edited on January 26, 2017 at 10:20 AM. Reason : , son.]

1/26/2017 10:20:17 AM

I don't know what the American Mirror is, nor do I care all that much, and full disclosure, it was linked from Drudge, as if this is a good thing for its readers, but having said that,

I'm sure this isn't something the Nazi's thought about doing for the Jews when they took power.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/trump-orders-weekly-list-crimes-committed-illegals-sanctuary-cities/

I could see the Nazi propaganda machine doing something like this at the beginning to seed discontent among Germans. Maybe it is ridiculous to connect this administration in any way to Nazi Germany, but I'm just starting to see too many things come out of the WH for me to be comfortable.

1/26/2017 10:31:04 AM

so, its true that the executive order says that, but we should take a moment to reflect on you posting that link

instead of posting some random shitty website, why didn't you first google it and confirm on your own from a reputable source before posting? it took me like 10 seconds to google this and find a reputable source or direct white house link, why did you not do that before trusting a website that you admit you know nothing about?

this is why you so often fall for fake hysteria over non-stories, you aren't independently verifying what you are reading, you can't trust random blog sites

1/26/2017 10:39:37 AM

Lol at Fox News personalities literally hashtagging tweets with MAGA and TrumpTrain.

I think it's funny by the way. Not upset at all. But whooooo boy could you imagine the sads if that was Erin Burnett or Wolf Blitzer doing that.

1/26/2017 10:44:48 AM

Quote :

"The minute Obama normalized what Bush/Cheney did and absolved them was the minute he allowed this to happen again. He had a chance to make a statement and he did not do it."

Can you expand more on this? What did Obama do to normalize GWB? I'm new to following politics and admittedly did not pay much attention to GWB/early Obama years.

1/26/2017 11:17:44 AM

I have a serious question for the Trump supporters:

Did any of you see his ABC interview, and if so did it terrify you?

1/26/2017 11:21:38 AM

Do we have any Trump supporters anymore? Not including JCE#'s?

1/26/2017 11:49:59 AM

Quote :

"Lol at Fox News personalities literally hashtagging tweets with MAGA and TrumpTrain."

Governments in power trade access to the obedient press in exchange for favorable coverage

Quote :

"I think it's funny by the way. Not upset at all. But whooooo boy could you imagine the sads if that was Erin Burnett or Wolf Blitzer doing that."

The only reason why CNN, etc are currently challenging this administration is because, so far, this administration is not playing the same game as previous administrations.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/22/media-stars-agree-to-off-the-record-meeting-with-trump-break-agreement-whine-about-mistreatment/

[Edited on January 26, 2017 at 11:54 AM. Reason : ]

1/26/2017 11:54:05 AM

Also, worth a listen for anyone who is actually interested in investigative journalism.

New weekly podcast by the Intercept:

https://theintercept.com/podcasts/

1/26/2017 12:07:16 PM

Quote :

"The only reason why CNN, etc are currently challenging this administration is because, so far, this administration is not playing the same game as previous administrations."

FoxNews wasnt called on during 2/3 of Obama's first 60 press briefings. So don't pretend like it's unpresidented for an administration to favor news outlets that provide more favorable coverage.

With that said, the media's job is to be skeptical of an administration and challenge them. Media outlets are not the mouthpiece of an administration. And that ends our Civics 101 lesson for today.

1/26/2017 12:11:28 PM

What is with you people not knowing how to spell unprecedented?

Did you not read my post? I said governments. Plural. That includes the previous administration. My opposition to Obama on key issues is well documented on here, so don't come at me with that weak partisan bullshit.

1/26/2017 12:19:16 PM

^^ source needed

1/26/2017 12:31:31 PM

i'm curious about that 2/3 stat, but also Obama never pointed at fox news and called them fake news and refused to answer their question

you trump apologists are being weak little cucks right now

1/26/2017 12:33:49 PM

lol he is going to order the fraud "investigation" by executive order.

I have to imagine it will only be in states he lost and won't be an impartial third party... because he is a baby boy.

I find it ironic that he is basically using EOs in the way the right were adamant Obama would but never did.

^ obama was also rightfully criticized for his attempt to strong arm FNC.

[Edited on January 26, 2017 at 12:46 PM. Reason : It is, as you pointed out, a false equivalency though]

1/26/2017 12:45:11 PM

if he keeps it up he will pass Obama's 8-year total in a year

1/26/2017 12:47:40 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/222739756105207808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Quote :

"Why is @BarackObama constantly issuing executive orders that are major power grabs of authority? This is the latest"

1/26/2017 12:53:53 PM

Quote :

"Can you expand more on this? What did Obama do to normalize GWB? I'm new to following politics and admittedly did not pay much attention to GWB/early Obama years."

For the anti-west Glenn Greenwald worshipping Russia apologist sub-cult of the left, Obama should have opened his Presidency with a Nuremberg style prosecution of the Bush administration for their Iraq War related crimes. Instead he focused on stabilizing the credit markets, saving the US auto industry, and stopping a recession from becoming a depression. For them, Obama turning out to be a level-headed institutionalist was the ultimate betrayalton.

1/26/2017 1:05:44 PM

Obviously I am not one of those people. But I do understand what he is saying and it will allow Trump to get away with it as well unless the congressional GOP shows some backbone on it. Rand Paul already has..

1/26/2017 1:08:58 PM