There's nothing wrong with wanting the team to do better. It doesn't make you a bad fan. But it can make you a stupid fan.

A lot of people who actually wants the team to do better has some very high and nearly unrealistic standards. Anything short of a championship is unacceptable. That is a problem when it's the same standard year in and year out. The same people eating crow because we made it to the sweet 16 are probably screaming for his head because we were leading at the half.

Personally, I felt that we've constantly overachieved for the last three years. We've been able to recruit good players, but not great players. Our "great" players have turned out to be busts for the most part. The reason we've done so well without a lot of marquee talent is the fact that we play well as a team. In that sense, I have to give credit to Herb. I also give the players credit because they play hard...they have to in order to stay with the better teams. They usually embrace Herb's philosophy and system and things work out pretty well that way.

The team has continued to progress through the years. We've made it to the dance 4 straight years. We're not always bowing out in the first round either. Ya know, Wake Forest hasn't gotten to or passed the sweet 16 for quite some time now, but you don't seem them crying for Skip Prosser's head...and they have better talent too.

3/25/2005 11:04:31 PM

aaronburro - you are clue-less

3/25/2005 11:12:58 PM

yeah. I guess seeing the common denominator of our mediocrity over my 6 years of watching us and pointing it out makes me clueless...

I guess I'm clueless if I think that missing FTs is a bad thing. I guess I'm clueless if I think that consistently blowing double digits leads is bad. I guess I'm clueless for thinking that jacking up threes for no good reason from half court is bad.

3/25/2005 11:14:47 PM

^ We did lead the league in FT% last year. I wouldn't blame Herb for that one...I'm sure they still practice them just as much as they did before.

With #2, I put that more on the players. They simply can't play great for 40 straight minutes.

As far as #3 goes...yeah, there is no reason for that unless the guys name is JJ or Salim.

3/25/2005 11:20:34 PM

If we had last year's regular season (even if we were alone or tied for 3rd, or alone in 4th... like 10-6 or 9-7 in ACC, no bad OOC losses) and this year's S16 then I'd say great. If that was our AVERAGE season, then I'd have no problem. We always find some way to fuck up something. We are not always good and good. We are bad and bad (Herb's 1st 5 years), mediocre (year 6 and 7), bad and good (this year, 9), or good and bad (last year, 8).

[Edited on March 25, 2005 at 11:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2005 11:23:41 PM

WHO CARES!???! HERB IS STAYING AND I HOPE ALL YOU HERB HATERS CRY AND WHINE ABOUT IT!!!!

3/25/2005 11:39:04 PM

even better,
cry and whine about it so much that you sell your tickets to fans who will willingly show up to EVERY game, regardless of who we are playing, and wear red.

then again, maybe i am expecting too much.

3/25/2005 11:50:25 PM

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"^ We did lead the league in FT% last year."

yeah, and what did we do this year? if anything, that goes to prove my point about inconsistency. the fact that we could take basically the same people from last year who made FT's look so easy and bomb it this year.

and whose fault is it if our players aren't conditioned to play 40 minutes? I mean sure, the players should take some initiative and work on that themselves, but when it becomes a pattern, I'd start looking at the coach and say "hey, there are 40 minutes in a game, not 20"

3/26/2005 9:39:54 AM

Marcus and Scooter were a BIG reason why we had such a great FT% as a team.

3/26/2005 11:57:00 AM

aaronburro, you are one of those fans w/ that terrible inferiority complex.
to coach w/in NC in the ACC w/ the talent we have takes an incredible feat.
to be the 4th school (reality here) out of Duke, UNC and Wake, we pull the best we can get and you should understand that it takes years to even make it to the final four unless you have one of those special teams and/or get lucky.

lets not get talking about how long it takes to build a program and build a system. herb didnt miss the lay ups, didnt miss the free throws, didnt cause all the players to get hurt or sick.

its not herbs fault that JP left the team early.

when the team doesnt get to play as a full team and accomplishes what we have accomplished, to some degree you have to respect the man.

he may be inconsistant, but all coaches are at one time...

if it was as easy to go down to KMart and get a coach K, im sure we would.
but Herb is our man, and bitch and moan all you want, but guess what?
the AD likes him, the TEAM LOVES him and unless he decides to leave
he will be our coach for a couple of more years.

3/26/2005 2:02:17 PM

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"to be the 4th school (reality here) out of Duke, UNC and Wake, we pull the best we can get"

yay, so I guess we should just accept that we will never be better than the other three. good idea...

and yes, it takes time to get to the final four, no shit. but herb's had plenty of time to pull us out of mediocrity, and yet in it we remain. and, this may come as a shocker, but making it to the final four has little bearing in deciding how good a coach is. gonzaga has never been to the final four, but few people would suggest that they have a shitty coach.

and, the whole POINT of bitching is to let the administration know that we do not approve of how they are wasting our money. otherwise, I hope you never go to a protest of any sort for anything

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"its not herbs fault that JP left the team early."

WANNA BACK THAT UP?

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"he may be inconsistant, but all coaches are at one time"

sure, at ONE TIME. not OVER NINE FUCKING YEARS

3/27/2005 3:16:27 PM

our performance this off-season is absolutely unacceptable. we must do better. herb simply can't keep blowing the late practice water-cooler situations. A change must be made to gatorade cups instead of powerade!

4/29/2005 8:58:06 PM

is it back to sarcasm?

4/29/2005 9:01:02 PM

eh, i just figured it had been too long since a FIRE HERB!!!one thread made an appearance. i'm gettin a head start on next year

4/29/2005 9:06:49 PM

OMG! I EXPECTED BETTER BY NOW!!!!

5/18/2005 7:24:25 PM

WAY TO NOT STOP THE REYNOLDS FIRE HERB.

HOW CAN WE LET THIS FOOL COACH WHEN HE CAN STOP A FIRE?

CAN HIS ASS. IM SICK OF MEDIOCRITY.

RICK BARNES!!!1111

[Edited on May 24, 2005 at 8:08 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2005 8:06:48 PM

i think you bring up a valid point. Chuck worked to better our facilities. herb can't even keep up w/ the ones we already have,

5/24/2005 8:08:55 PM

YOU DONT SEE THE MURPHY CENTER ON FIRE, DO YOU?

5/24/2005 11:52:17 PM

Seriously. He's got to go.

6/13/2005 1:39:37 PM

fire both CTC and Herb after this season!!!!!!!11ONE

6/13/2005 2:35:31 PM

SOMEONE DIED WORKING ON VAUGHN TOWERS!!! FIRE HERB BECAUSE HE COACHES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE!!!

6/13/2005 2:36:35 PM

are we saving this for next season?

we need a legit FIRE HERB thread, this doesnt cut it.

if i dont see a real one by August, I'm starting a "Big East Football 2005" thread. I mean it.

6/13/2005 2:40:51 PM

haha i'll start that now. sure to piss off a few certain people..

done and done

[Edited on June 13, 2005 at 2:42 PM. Reason : saf]

6/13/2005 2:41:29 PM

haha,. i dreamed last night that our FB team lost to elon college in the home opener and people were going apeshit

7/17/2005 7:58:05 PM

we should have gotten nate mcmillan

7/18/2005 12:00:56 AM

Nate is making around $6 million a year in Portland... n o way in hell could we afford that.

7/18/2005 12:18:57 AM

i meant when we could have a lil while back

7/18/2005 12:19:22 AM

DING DING DING DING!

ITS THE FIRST REAL ANTI-HERB DOUCHBAGGERY OF THE SUMMER!

7/18/2005 12:36:18 AM

^^ No we couldn't have. He was making for more than NC State could pay (especially when combined with Herb's buyout) and he was in a city that he played in for 12 years and had retired his jersey. He was never going to come here.

7/18/2005 12:43:21 AM

herb's got to go. I expected more victories by now

7/26/2005 11:07:41 PM

You dont see Herb talkin' big to Roy now, do you? Way to stand up for us Herb!

Can his ass!

7/26/2005 11:09:15 PM

Quote :

"WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOT AN ACC WIN YET! THE TARHOLES ARE UNDEFEATED IN ACC PLAY, AND SO IS MURLAND. THIS UNACCEPTABLE HERB! YOU MUST GO. AND YOU MUST GO NOW!!!"

Shit that goes for this season too WTF

7/27/2005 12:04:24 AM

FIRE ARCHIE THEN HERBFAG WILL FOLLOW

HE'S NOTHING WITHOUT HIS SIDEKICK

7/27/2005 12:35:10 AM

FIRE HERB!!! HE RAN INTO THE KICKER LIKE A DUMMY!

9/4/2005 10:50:39 PM

HERB COMMITTED 15+ PENALTIES

CAN HIS ASS NOW

9/4/2005 11:00:38 PM

FIRE HERB

WE LOST TO TARHOLES AGIN!

10/3/2005 9:56:17 PM

10/4/2005 9:10:01 AM

good point.

10/5/2005 9:20:12 PM

no really, where are the die-hard Fire Herb fans?

Dont abandon the cause.

Even better, where are the Fire Herb, Amato is God fans?

10/6/2005 12:24:02 AM

10/6/2005 12:18:18 PM

i heart herb

10/6/2005 12:26:10 PM

hire ferb!!!

10/6/2005 10:00:31 PM

OMFG FIRE HERB!!! HE HASN'T FIXED OUR PENALTY SITUATION YET!!!

10/14/2005 1:45:32 AM

he cant win at home, either

10/14/2005 1:55:52 AM

hahaha, cant forget this one

11/10/2005 11:06:54 AM

hmmmmm

i guess this concretes this alias connection

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 12:31 PM. Reason : +]

11/10/2005 12:30:32 PM

if only it did...

11/17/2005 8:31:27 PM

FIRE HERB FOR NOT PLAYING JAY DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111one

11/26/2005 3:20:04 PM

and another quality thread brought to you by aaronburro.

11/26/2005 3:32:25 PM

THATS IT! THIS IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS!!!

11/30/2005 10:52:32 PM