720?

5/13/2005 10:16:49 AM

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"desk and chair is just as comfy if you've got the right chair"

Computer games are good for solo and strategy gaming, but you're never going to recreate that experience of hanging out with friends around the same TV with some multiplayer game.

5/13/2005 10:20:35 AM

unless you have a tv output and a few usb slots to spare. oh wait...we do. LoL

5/13/2005 10:22:09 AM

The mtv special gave me almost no reason to buy the 360(other than look its cool and look we have a band), but information in this thread and links are getting me to reserve a 360!!!

5/13/2005 10:36:59 AM

yeah the OurColony vid is the real "geek lust" one that us non-droids wanted to see, devoid of MTV gehyness

and

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"You're acting like piracy isn't the single greatest thing to happen to the X-Box."

LOL! so true, I am too cheap to spend $50 per game. S.c.r.e.w. that. I wouldn't even own an Xbox w/o the modchip. Unless I can chip and rip, I ain't gonna buy it.

5/13/2005 11:02:49 AM

the only reason i keep buying nintendo products is for the zelda stuff...b/c that is my favorite game of all time

5/13/2005 11:20:06 AM

link is a pussy.

5/13/2005 12:25:34 PM

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"Xbox won't play HD-DVDs, the PS3 will. Considering the expected price of HD DVD players, that's a pretty big incentive for a lot of people right there"

The price of HD-DVD will be far too great to compete with XBox 360 (meaning in a PS3). THere will be a PSX version of the PS3 (that would be in the $900+ range) and I could see that being the HD-DVD version... it is just to expensive of a technology to put in a $300 console, plus its a bit of overkill.

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"I can't see these consoles being sold at anything less than a $250-300 loss. Do they honestly expect to pull in this much is software, live fees, and licensing their dev kits to developers on a 1:1 or better basis?"

I believe I read that Microsoft took a hit of about $1.2 billion of loss EACH YEAR on the XBox hardware. and still managed just fine. Look at EA Sports spending ungodly amounts for exclusivity, they wouldn't do it if it didn't make business sense.

Going through a Christmas season before anyone else and another year of general conuming is going to put XBox 360 far above the rest of the field. I don't see average joe 14 year old being able to wait a year without a new console for a Sony while he sees everyone else tearing it up on the new ones. General population in America wants instant gratification.

Someone trade me their XBox for my Gamecube... yeah.

[Edited on May 13, 2005 at 3:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2005 3:32:50 PM

I think it's all but confirmed that PS3 WILL have Blu-Ray technology, which is (almost) the same as HD-DVD.

5/13/2005 3:37:48 PM

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"^haha yeah, i don't even consider them to be in the market anymore. some people will argue mariokart is the best game out there and worth buying a gamecube for, but there's no way they are gonna get back in this race. "

That's shortsighted. The recent fall of Sega, and dip for Nintendo, and rise of MS and the XBOX shows that console market is a fickle fiend. Even MS completely switching platforms for the Xbox (and it seems they did so successfully) shows how things can change quickly.

Nintendo released today (or late yesterday...) that their console is going to be about as long and wide as a DVD case, but 3x the thickness, and very quiet. That's pretty small, and appealing to a lot of casual gamers. If it has the graphics power that the supposed leaked specs suggest (dual core ATI, 4 processors) in that form factor, it would at least hold Nintendo's marketshare, and maybe gain some.

5/13/2005 3:45:24 PM

^^http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=8451

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"Industry watcher Jon Peddie, president of Jon Peddie Research, is among those who believe Blu-ray is “not the answer” for next-generation DVD. He described the technology as something pushed by Sony and others that have heavily invested in the blue-laser technology. “Blu-ray will be too expensive for the average user,” Peddie said. “The media is too expensive, and it's unlikely many studios will master to it because of the cost and the very low user base.”"

it may be sony's way to get it out there, but it won't be the modding community's favorite

^ yeah it's a constantly-changing market. 4 processors? wow, i guess they're really trying to get back into the game. they need to get exclusivity with more games than mario kart, then they may have something going for them. but based on their reputation right now with just gamecube, no company's going to go for that.

[Edited on May 13, 2005 at 3:51 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2005 3:48:20 PM

the fact remains that nintendo makes the best games on the market.

5/13/2005 4:15:08 PM

Well, i've read 2 things recently from the Nintendo guy (Iriwata, or something, I think) that he said Nintendo is going to try for the more mature gamer the next round... but he has also said that the "revolution" is going to be something that when a mother sees her kid playing a game, she's going to think "wow that looks fun, I want to try that". It seems to be pulling in 2 directions. But, until Nintendo says more about what this "revolution" will be, I think it will be hard to say how the consoles will shape up as far as marketshare.

Xbox will get a big jump from the Christmas season, but I bet this is mostly the spoiled-brat market, which is small in the slice of gamers. The hardcore gamers will hold on until the PS3.

5/13/2005 4:15:42 PM

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"the fact remains that nintendo makes the best games on the market."

mario kart <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< * < splinter cell chaos theory

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"Nintendo is going to try for the more mature gamer the next round"

unless they plan on paying companies that make sports games (EA) or FPS's for exclusivity, this is not going to happen easily. nintendo has sort of sunk into the niche market of kids and college students that wish they were still kids haha. and now you say parents too. nintendo is like the old navy of consoles hahaha

they don't have the resources to bother developing these games themselves because they can't beat out the name the other companies have earned over the years. it's not like back in the day when sega football for genesis was just as good as madden.

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"Xbox will get a big jump from the Christmas season, but I bet this is mostly the spoiled-brat market, which is small in the slice of gamers. The hardcore gamers will hold on until the PS3."

i'd have to disagree with you on that. there's not even a definite date set out for the ps3 release, is there?

5/13/2005 4:26:22 PM

You're an idiot if you count out Nintendo in the slightest.

5/13/2005 4:53:19 PM

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"nintendo is like the old navy of consoles hahaha"

5/13/2005 4:55:26 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if the next Nintendo offering trumped the next Sony offering in every way.

The GameCube is already better than the electrical abortion known as the PS2.

5/13/2005 5:04:00 PM

Nintendo 4 life. Ride or die.

5/13/2005 6:37:48 PM

i hope they still make a big version of the xbox controller

5/13/2005 6:40:41 PM

ah I swore I'd never buy an x-box, but the 360 might be the only affordable thing that'll be able to run TES4: Oblivion in all it's prettyness. I may end up buying it just for that.

[Edited on May 13, 2005 at 6:50 PM. Reason : speeeeeling]

5/13/2005 6:49:49 PM

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"unless they plan on paying companies that make sports games (EA) or FPS's for exclusivity, this is not going to happen easily."

barring a few exceptions, sports games suck. and playing a FPS on a console is like having your balls cut off with a rusty knife

5/13/2005 7:14:21 PM

damn, IGN had a video of NBA2K6 up earlier but now its gone. i dunno if it was on the mtv thing last night because i missed it, but did anyone else see it? i couldn't believe my eyes with how real it looked. if it was real-time and the game ends up looking like the trailer than i'm sold.

5/13/2005 10:20:16 PM

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" Xbox 360 demos hanging from Apple tree By Richard Shim http://news.com.com/Xbox+360+demos+hanging+from+Apple+tree/2100-1043_3-5706658.html Story last modified Fri May 13 14:11:00 PDT 2005 The nifty clips of video games supporting Microsoft's new game console aren't running on Xbox 360 systems. Demonstrations for the Xbox 360 have been running on Apple machines, the company confirmed on Friday. "We purchased a number of Apple G5's because very specific hardware components of the G5 allow developers to emulate some of the technology behind future Xbox products and services," an official Microsoft spokesperson said in a statement. "This is an interim development tool that will be replaced with a more powerful and comprehensive solution later." The current systems shown at product introductions are prototypes. Final systems are expected to come out in all three major regions--North America, Europe and Asia--by the end of the year. Pricing for the new consoles has yet to be announced, but executives have said they won't be released until after the E3 game conference in Los Angeles next week. Some details have been released on the new console, such as its 20GB hard drive, DVD-ROM drive and 500MHz ATI graphics processor, but others will be announced during the conference. Executives have said that up to 40 titles for the Xbox 360 will be announced by the end of the year. The new console from Microsoft is based on a similar IBM PowerPC architecture used in Apple computers--the Xbox 360 uses three 3.2GHz symmetrical cores, according to the company. Apple has been using PowerPC chips since 1994 and Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs has said the company is happy with IBM's PowerPC family of chips. Microsoft recently switched processors from an Intel chip used in the first Xbox console to a custom Xbox processor based on Big Blue's Power technology in its new Xbox 360. "

[Edited on May 14, 2005 at 9:47 AM. Reason : .]

5/14/2005 9:45:26 AM

couldn't post this with the last one:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0505140122may14,1,1312706.story?coll=chi-business-hed

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"Gaming intelligence gets a new processing boost More realistic images emerge with Xbox 360 By Steven L. Kent Special to the Tribune Published May 14, 2005 Bits and bytes mean next to nothing when it comes to understanding the next generation of video game consoles. The technological leap from the Xbox to the Xbox 360, the console Microsoft Corp. will release later this year, is so vast that processor speeds, polygon counts and other technical terms are meaningless. For instance, the Xbox is powered by a 733-megahertz central processor. The central processing unit in Xbox 360 has three 3.2-gigahertz processors. Each processor is four times faster than the original Xbox--but what matters is the way designers translate that power into games. "One thing you will see is much more sophisticated artificial intelligence," said David Zucker, the CEO of Chicago-based Midway Games. "The artificial intelligence, it's the way in which the world works. When you walk up to an individual in the world, he reacts one way if you punch him. If you say hello to him, he does something else. It's how objects work when acted upon." The Xbox 360 makes these possibilities available en masse. In Microsoft's new fantasy game Kameo, players can ride a horse into an army of 3,500 ogres. Amazingly, each ogre has its own intelligence and reacts to the player independent of the thousands of ogres around it. Along with opening other doors, Xbox 360's bump in power creates new possibilities in graphics. The art in video games is created using flat polygons laced together like tiles in a mosaic. In the past, computer graphics companies have touted the number of polygons their processors can generate per second as a metric for measuring speed and power--the theory being the more polygons artists have, the better their art will look. With new shading and texturing technologies, polygon counts are fairly meaningless. Xbox 360 generates 500 million polygons per second, four times more polygons per second than the original Xbox--but that does not mean that the 360's graphics processing is four times more powerful. Rather, Xbox 360 has five times the pixel-fill rate of Xbox and 12 times the shader performance, meaning that it not only generates more polygons per second, but it also handles lighting, shading and textures better. Microsoft has also worked to create a more social environment for the 360. Like the original Xbox, the new machine comes Internet-ready out of the box. And like its predecessor, the Xbox 360 supports broadband connectivity and makes no allowances for dial-up support. The Xbox Live service that Microsoft offers for its current console is fee-based. More than 1.8 million people have signed up for the service, but Microsoft wants all Xbox owners to go online. Xbox 360 will come with two levels of Internet service--Silver and Gold. The more basic Silver service will be free. Gold service, which will include player matching and more communication options, will be fee-based. Yet with these communication tools comes another problem: security. "So much of what makes the Xbox 360 experience so great is the community aspect of it," says Jeff Henshaw, executive producer for Xbox digital entertainment. "We've poured a lot of our energy into making it easier for people to get hooked up with other people online. "As soon as you create an entertainment device that goes beyond the classic games and movie content and allows the community to interact with each other in real time, you have to innovate to make sure that the experience remains safe and fun for children as well." To facilitate this, the Xbox 360 enables parents to build specific accounts for their children on the Xbox Live service. Parents will be able not only to set levels for game ratings and movie content, but also to limit accessibility for online communications. Microsoft has set four levels of online communications that parents can control: no online gaming whatsoever, game play only, limiting chat to people on an established friends list, and all access. Yet despite all these improvements in speed, power and safety, the gaming experience still boils down to the quality of the games. The games that have been shown in previews highlight the Xbox 360's power and present fun challenges. There are 160 games under development. But there is one notable exception: Microsoft will not have a new Halo game when it launches the 360. Halo, the ultrapopular first-person shooter that follows the adventures of a futuristic soldier battling armies of aliens, remains the single best-selling game for the system. "There are no plans to have a Halo at launch," said Peter Moore, vice president of worldwide marketing and publishing. - - - Some games produced for Xbox 360 CONDEMNED Publisher: Sega of America Sega touts "Condemned" as a first-person action adventure as opposed to a first-person shooter of the "Halo"/"Doom"/"Half-Life" variety. In this game, players use knives and sticks more than guns. "Condemned" also uses eerie visions to unravel its mysteries. While its violent combat offers a grim and unique experience, it's the settings that stand out. "With `Condemned,' we actually sent a location scout from the film business to go out and shoot locations," says Scott Steinberg, Sega's vice president of entertainment marketing. "We took gigs and gigs of those digital images and mapped them into the game."Some games produced for Xbox 360 NBA 2K6 Publisher: Take Two Interactive Microsoft did not show a completed version of "NBA 2K6," but it demonstrated a single player shooting baskets. That virtual player is a remarkable image. The highlight of this new virtual athlete is the lifelike face and the way the fabric in the jersey moves. These may sound like small details, but those are what help people suspend their disbelief. In the past, video athletes have had stiff, lifeless faces. They have generally been about as accurate and lifelike as the faces on wax museum mannequins. The faces on the basketball stars in "NBA 2K6" are more lifelike and almost completely accurate. The people who created this game also used the Xbox 360's processing power to create a free-flowing jersey that bounces and moves with the player's body. KAMEO Publisher: Microsoft "Kameo" is a fantasy adventure where players control a fairy who transforms herself into a variety of creatures. Created by Rare Studios, the English firm that created "Donkey Kong Country" and "GoldenEye 007" for Nintendo, "Kameo" highlights many of the Xbox 360's technological strengths. Tapping into the machine's graphic and data-processing power, "Kameo" is able to handle objects in massive proportions. Whether it is showing hills covered with 3,500 ogres or pastures carpeted with tens of thousands of individual blades of tall grass, everything in this game is vivid and highly detailed. GEARS OF WAR Publisher: Microsoft Corp. Developed by Epic, the company that creates the "Unreal" series of games, "Gears of War" is a dark adventure set for release early in 2006. "Gears of War" uses the "Unreal 3" game engine, a graphics technique known for dramatic lighting effects and superior use of textures. These technologies translate into big, mean monsters and horrific settings. In short, "Gears of War" takes the game play found in titles like "Resident Evil 4" and makes it bigger, with a more realistic look. Other Xbox 360 games demonstrated by Microsoft from its publishing partners: - "Full Auto," a combat driving game, from Sega. - "Call of Duty 2," a first-person shooter set in North Africa during World War II, from Activision. - Tom Clancy's "Ghost Recon 3," a strategic squad-based shooter. - - - The next generation: Changes from Xbox's predecessor - 20-gigabyte detachable, upgradable hard drive. The original: 8 gb non-removable hard drive. - Three dual-core processors running at 3.2 gigahertz each. The original: one 733 mHz processor. - 512 megabytes of memory. The original: 64 mb. - Three USB ports that can connect with digital cameras and portable music players. The original did not have USB ports. - Two ports for 64-megabyte memory cards that can be used to save games, making customized content portable so it can be played on a friend's console. The original did not support memory cards. - Can stand on one end or lie flat. The original could only lie flat. - Subscribers to the online gaming service can buy custom game characters, cars, weapons, "skins" that let them change the color or texture of their screen, or new game trailers. With the original box, gamers could buy extras occasionally, but only with certain games. - Built-in extender for Windows XP Media Center, a version of Microsoft's flagship operating system. The original couldn't connect with Windows. - Doubles as a DVD player. The current version can play DVDs only if you buy a special attachment. - Small video camera (to be sold separately) can be used for video chats. - Up to four wireless game controllers. The original: Controllers have to be plugged into the console. -- Associated Press"

5/14/2005 9:48:16 AM

Nintendo "revolutions" is going to have wireless gaming - not a bad idea, but i could hook up the xbox wirelessly right now, if i wanted to, for about 20-30 bucks.

and what's with all the names being so similar? like a totally new side of gaming in its entirety - 360, revolution, haha only ps3 is left out.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=8491281

5/14/2005 12:26:28 PM

I will go as far to say that nintendo is only alive after the gamecube and DS flops because of brand loyalty. the gamecube's only redeeming factor is that it could handle n64 games with a decent frame rate. people aren't going to buy whatever the fuck nintendo is making, just for the same rehashed games that they first enjoyed on snes. I predict that unless nintendo gets a really solid library for DS, which is doubtful, they're going to go the way of sega. maybe not as quickly since they made piracy a bit harder, but they will not make it past this upcoming generation without seriously changing their business model and making their dev kits really desirable to the big game makers and innovative upstarts.

5/14/2005 1:30:57 PM

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5755&type=mov

That's the 2k6 video... it doesn't say specifically it's in-game though.

5/14/2005 1:31:29 PM

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"barring a few exceptions, sports games suck."

LOOK AT ME, IM A FUCKING IDIOT

5/14/2005 3:25:58 PM

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"Xbox will get a big jump from the Christmas season, but I bet this is mostly the spoiled-brat market, which is small in the slice of gamers. The hardcore gamers will hold on until the PS3."

I like how you generalize the poplulation... saying that the "hardcore" gamers will for some reason prefer the PS3 over Xbox 360. Well I guess you have to be a "hardcore" gamer to stick with a system who has been out done in almost every way by the Xbox

5/14/2005 5:36:16 PM

Name one way the x-box outdid the ps2 (not relating to quality of hardware, presence of features, quality of games availible, or quality of graphics -those would be cheap shots.)

5/14/2005 5:50:06 PM

whats left?

5/14/2005 6:05:43 PM

i think he forgot to validate his post - he forgot to close his sarcasm tag.

(as an aside, that would be a funny parody site to make )

5/14/2005 6:09:56 PM

its on bestbuy.com

5/14/2005 6:12:31 PM

^ linkified

not much new/useful info there - just for the general public.

5/14/2005 6:23:00 PM

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"I predict that unless nintendo gets a really solid library for DS, which is doubtful, they're going to go the way of sega."

Are you dense? The success, or lack thereof, of the DS certainly won't make or break Nintendo. The DS was never really supposed to compete with the PSP, nor supposed to be this amazingly hot seller. That will be for the next Game Boy. Last I checked, the Game Boy and it's variations still made up the dominant handheld market.

Nintendo probably isn't selling as well as they'd like, but they certainly aren't hinging on the DS as to whether they can stay in business. What a ridiculous prediction.

On top of that, it would be downright shocking to me if the next Nintendo release wasn't on par with the 360 and the PS3. It's already better than the PS2 now.

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"I will go as far to say that nintendo is only alive after the gamecube and DS flops because of brand loyalty."

If you want people buying shit due to brand loyalty, you should really go sniffing up the Sony tree. The amount of people that own PS2s is mind boggling considering how shitty that thing is.

[Edited on May 14, 2005 at 7:21 PM. Reason : .]

5/14/2005 7:19:36 PM

^sorry, I mistyped I meant to say the DS and whatever nintendo's new system is. nintendo's old library is getting old and people are tired of just prettier versions of old games. after totally fucking up zelda, a lot of fans were lost. the future of consoles isn't little kids anymore, its the 16-30 male demographic, which nintendo doesn't have a strong following amongst. that's why I said if they don't change up their library and focus, they're gonna go the way of sega and end up just making their niche software for other consoles.

also, the gamecube doesn't even begin to compare to the ps2 in terms of graphics exhibited, hinting at a shitty devkit and the reason gc is lacking a lot of big name games that ps2 and xbox have. besides that, the gamecube has 6 good games, and they're all first party. the ps2 has, gt3, gt4, the grand theft auto series, tons of great platforms that rival mario and metroid but I can't claim beat them (jak and daxter, rayman, and others), they've got sports covered, they've got rpg's on lock with the final fantasy series, unlike ninteno with 0 rpg's of redeeming value, they only thing the ps2 doesn't have is a solid FPS like xbox. the gamecube is really a piece of shit and could have just sold with a hard drive containing all the first party games people like and been of the same functionality as the one sold today.

[Edited on May 14, 2005 at 8:00 PM. Reason : d]

5/14/2005 7:52:58 PM

^ eh, I agree with alot of that in terms of the trends you see developing, but I think there'll always be a place for what nintendo offers. those party games and family friendly games just aren't really there on the other consoles. if x-box 360 or ps3 were to launch with something as easy to pick up and play with a group of people drunk as smash brothers, mario kart, etc. and some decent family appropriate titles beyond the run of the mill platformers, then nintendo might be forced to go the way of sega. just remember though, you can have niche hardware producers too.

5/14/2005 8:26:15 PM

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"after totally fucking up zelda..."

when did this happen?

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"the gamecube doesn't even begin to compare to the ps2 in terms of graphics exhibited, hinting at a shitty devkit "

ahahahahahahahahahahaha, oh shit, you're killing me here.

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"the reason gc is lacking a lot of big name games that ps2 and xbox have"

the ps2 has more games because: 1.the ps2 came out well before the cube, and 2.the playstation brand had huge base loyalty due to the ps1/n64 generation when sony actually had a superior system. those two things caused a huge installed player base. developers make games based on potential customers, not ease of development.
on the xbox side: the box clearly has the best graphics of the 3, and microsoft had the resources to throw money at developers to bring games to their system. after that, the players began buying xboxen and game makers followed them.

5/14/2005 9:33:16 PM

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"the gamecube doesn't even begin to compare to the ps2 in terms of graphics exhibited, hinting at a shitty devkit"

...

You should more than likely stop posting in this thread. There have been quite a few posts from people who think they know the market and know that Nintendo is fucked. That said, they have all been talking out of their ass, but that comment is just fucking retarded.

5/16/2005 11:40:35 AM

all you damn nintendo fan boys are the same. no one, NO ONE, raves about gamecube graphics but fan boys. there is no gamecube offering with stellar graphics that even come close to rivaling metal gear solid, god of war, gran turismo 3 and 4, etc. if nintendo was a force with a decent following, or if their devkit was easy enough to port games to, how come gc misses out on 90% of the big titles from production houses with no first party affiliation?

[Edited on May 16, 2005 at 11:56 AM. Reason : the only people that can sort of program for nintendo hardware... are nintendo]

\/ that said, no one is able to make a really good lookin GC game but nintendo and they aren't even all that, referencing metroid here. if you know one of the big draws of your game is graphics, but you can't get the same results on gamecube, why invest in it, especially with gamecube pulling up the rear in market share.

[Edited on May 16, 2005 at 12:13 PM. Reason : d]

5/16/2005 11:55:14 AM

^

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"developers make games based on potential customers, not ease of development."

5/16/2005 11:58:32 AM

Nintendo is quite thoroughly screwed.

After all is said and done, Microsoft and Sony are seen as the market leaders in home consoles. Both of these corporations have cash valued more then Nintendo itself.

Furthermore, there is no PSP and DS comparison because the PSP is infinitely a better machine graphics wise and industrial design. Consider again the market reality that the PSP sold more units then the GC and DS combined (hell throw in the Xbox into the mix to make it exciting).

The Gameboy Advance which did do extremely well did so in a market with no real competitors. The Gameboy 3 will have a very serious competitor in the PSP and judging from how well Nintendo did with N64 and Gamecube against strong competition, I wouldn't hold my breath for a Nintendo comeback.

I also believe that the console market is moving towards becoming the central computer of a home entertainment system. Both Sony and Microsoft have complimentary products in this field that can include their respective sytems as a part of a larger entertainment system. Nintendo on the other hand specializes only in game hardware and worse yet, pigeonholed themselves as a kiddie centric developer.

5/16/2005 12:20:55 PM

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""nintendo is like the old navy of consoles hahaha""

this is hilarious, lol wow what a laugh...it is SO true though

I own a GameCube for their 1st party games and that is it. I own Smash Bros., Mario Kart DD, Donkey Konga & Jungle Beat (and drums...multiplayer on Konga is insane fun) and that is it. Of course I got the stuff mad cheap on eBay; I wouldn't pay full price for a GC for just those games, but I admit it is fun, and traveling home & back each weekend, the size is handy.

I own a modded Xbox simply b/c I can mod it and put a big HD in it *cough*

Nintendo, as much as I love 'em, is going downhill. What in the world is the Nintendo DS's library of games? It's horrendous!! It's been out like 6 months and there's like 20 games total, 18 of which are not worth reading the information on. sad, really
Their next system better be uber-powerful and have GOOD DEVELOPER SUPPORT and include free internet gaming (a wireless card built in would be very nice) out of the box for TONS of games (like Mario Kart Double Dash needs to be you stupid nintendo fags!)

The 360 will be a hit; I may get one if I can't think of something else I want to spend Christmas cash on and it's modable. Looks like a very fun machine. Anyone know about backwards compatibility? Usually this is a big deal, but no one seems to care this time (me either...never understood the point, I mean just keep your original Xbox around).

5/16/2005 12:21:40 PM

M$ has been mum about compatibility so I'm assuming this is a big [No].

The architectures of the two Xbox platforms are very different.

5/16/2005 12:29:12 PM

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"there is no gamecube offering with stellar graphics that even come close to rivaling metal gear solid, god of war, gran turismo 3 and 4, etc"

pls play Resident Evil 4 and then get back to us thx. RE4 is on par if not better than all of the titles you mentioned.

PS. RE4 not programmed by Nintendo. Jesus get a fucking clue.

That said I think the DS is retarded. I also think the PSP is retarded too. How many of you are actually going to sit there and watch a movie on that little thing? How many of you have actually just been walking around and spontaneously burst into a multiplayer game with someone else via these devices wireless abilities? Whats the PSP going to do next? Have a cell phone in it? Give you driving directions? Hand job? GBA was perfect. It was simple, cheap, and played a shitton of games and thats it.

Integrating a billion features is useless IMO. thats why i like it when the game systems stay seperate. Xbox 360 makes me cringe. Soon you wont be able to hook up a console system and play it with out a fucking internet connection. Thats fucking stupid.

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"The Gameboy Advance which did do extremely well did so in a market with no real competitors. The Gameboy 3 will have a very serious competitor in the PSP and judging from how well Nintendo did with N64 and Gamecube against strong competition, I wouldn't hold my breath for a Nintendo comeback."

Do you know WHY there were no serious competitors? Go do some research on the market place back when the gameboy had to take the market.

5/16/2005 12:52:33 PM

^ wonderswan and wonderswan color have been sucessful in their own right but havent done much stateside. the reason why? gameboy, and its many other iterations, has just been better. sony has a serious shot now though i think, regardless if i dont really like the psp

5/16/2005 12:55:31 PM

meh, nintendo offers something that sony and microsoft just don't in their hardware. nintendo hardware is cheap, intuitive, and easy to live with. the next nintendo, by all accounts, will be roughly the size of three dvd cases stacked on top of each other and will probably be priced below both the ps2 and x-box again. the family friendly and games-for-all-ages titles they hold are some of the best of that kind availible. there's not alot of them, and no serious gamer considers the gamecube their primary gaming platform, but most consumers aren't serious gamers anyways.

sure their market share as a percentage of the total will continue to shrink if they don't adress the needs of the more afluent and increasingly numerous 16-32 year old males that make up a huge ammount of video game purchasing power, but I don't see the need for what they offer being filled by anyone else right now or goig away anytime soon either.

PS

I hate the gamecube and all the exclusive titles on it. God damnit people, there's better games out there than smash brothers. Do not take over the living room telelvision for 40 hours a week playing it.

[Edited on May 16, 2005 at 1:26 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2005 1:24:14 PM

^ that last statement doesn't make sense man. What's wrong w/ Smash Bros? Sure, it may not be everyone's favorite game but it IS fun in multiplayer.

5/16/2005 1:57:55 PM

yeah smash brothers is a trash game in my opinion, ive never once understood the hype. i would rather play fuzion frenzy.

5/16/2005 2:09:08 PM

i hate smash brothers

its not fun - its boring, visually bland, and generally overhyped

5/16/2005 2:57:09 PM