BECAUSE WOMEN CAN DO NO WRONG!

YOU EVIL AMERICANS!!!!!

11/3/2005 12:59:34 PM

I spend alot of time each day out and about in Baghdad, and a few weeks a month in the northern and southern regions of Iraq.

I will not defend any political stance or give an excuse for children burnt to a crisp with horrible injuries that no religion, political cause or personal beliefs could ever excuse.

I come across Iraqi's (Sunni, Shia and Kurds) everyday that just want more then anything to be able to work, shop and live without the constant worry of violence from either being targeted by the insurgents, foreign jihadists, criminals, Coalition forces and civillian contractors.

This place is an inevitable pit of pain that very few Americans can understand.

Americans are generally spoiled, which in hindsight is actually something to be cherished and protected, because it is a sign of prosperity and strength.

I have been here for 19 months and plan to stay another year. I have learned quite a bit about the nuances between the factions, clans and point of views of each group.

I also have come to realize that any exit strategy is hopefully years off, we can't leave now.

11/3/2005 7:53:14 PM

^ i can agree with that. i may disagree with the war, but i agree that we cant leave right now with the way things are. we owe it to the iraqi people.

11/3/2005 10:33:39 PM

^^ Wow, it's definitely good to hear from a soldier who speaks with an open mind.

11/11/2005 3:15:53 PM

canohana,


I want to thank you for expressing your honest opinion. i think thats probably the best thing ive read in this thread so far. however, what you have not told us your views on 'no religion, political cause or personal beliefs could ever excuse'. if you truly beleive in that statement, why are you still there? Please do share your opinion with us.

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" I will not defend any political stance or give an excuse for children burnt to a crisp with horrible injuries that no religion, political cause or personal beliefs could ever excuse "

this came in the news a while ago, perhaps you can give an opinion.. some would take this as a joke, but ... it was said so that’s why I’m quoting it.

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""President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'""

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

do you agree that your mission is from God? Abu gharib to the massacure in falluja? and now chemical weapons? And others? According to that italian video doc. In Salisbury thread… a soldier said for example in falluja ‘it just seemed like a massive killing of arabs.’

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" I come across Iraqi's (Sunni, Shia and Kurds) everyday that just want more then anything to be able to work, shop and live without the constant worry of violence from either being targeted by the insurgents, foreign jihadists, criminals, Coalition forces and civillian contractors. "

fair enough, do you have a solution? If forces withdrew, I think that would take care of most of the problem, perhaps. Ie) remove the cause, things will eventually settle down, makes sense right?

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"This place is an inevitable pit of pain that very few Americans can understand."

Kindly do please explain to us very ignorant Americans, the killing of thousands of people (civilian and mil.)? do u honestly think that this war was necessary. Well it seems now since claims for wmd’s were fabricated, whatever u want to call it.. why don’t coalition forces leave? I mean they must have a reason to be there, otherwise they would be gone. First it was all about wmd’s and liberation, now the tune has changed, its more like we are taking over your country and going to rape/steal everything it has, so backoff. and not to mention destroy every town that doesnt agree or like us.

It becomes pretty clear to the world that that there is some agenda…

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" I have been here for 19 months and plan to stay another year. I have learned quite a bit about the nuances between the factions, clans and point of views of each group. "

What is motivating you to stay? Is it ‘duty to your country, or is it God? Liberation? Financial reasons? fill us in...

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"I also have come to realize that any exit strategy is hopefully years off, we can't leave now. "

Don’t you think enough damage has been done? At least 100,000 dead. Coalition dead in the thousands. Where is the value for human life? it seems we can just sit over a cup of tea and discuss hundreds of thousands of lives have been claimed by an unjust war… its really sad… unnecessary. Do people now days not value humanity? … whether they are christain, jew, muslim, atheist, or Iraqi or American… they are all brothers and sisters in humanity…

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11/13/2005 10:53:44 PM

like i said...im against the war, but im not going to advocate pulling out now or anytime soon, simply b/c for screwing with that area so much, we sure as hell owe them the debt of cleaning up our mess.

11/14/2005 1:12:10 AM

I have read into this issue and one solution proposed was that iraq needs to be opened for humanitarian assistance. just maybe a few orgs are able to offer humanitarian needs, but by far this is not enough. troops need to get out, and let the international community help. thats the only way. for example, i read on the yahoo news how residents (falluja) are retinal scanned entry and exit (so its like a prison), after they totally massacure a city, its basically cut off from the rest of the world. journalists are not allowed in either to gain more evidence of whats really goign on. (well that is indep. journalists), and humanitaran aid is lacking. Hospitals and the entire healthcare system is non functional/trashed (there is overwhelming evidence on the internet of this, and people continue to die),

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11/14/2005 1:23:24 AM

30thanz fag, if i shitted on your face would you say "it stinks, but could be fabricated"



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"I spend alot of time each day out and about in Baghdad, and a few weeks a month in the northern and southern regions of Iraq. I will not defend any political stance or give an excuse for children burnt to a crisp with horrible injuries that no religion, political cause or personal beliefs could ever excuse. I come across Iraqi's (Sunni, Shia and Kurds) everyday that just want more then anything to be able to work, shop and live without the constant worry of violence from either being targeted by the insurgents, foreign jihadists, criminals, Coalition forces and civillian contractors. This place is an inevitable pit of pain that very few Americans can understand. Americans are generally spoiled, which in hindsight is actually something to be cherished and protected, because it is a sign of prosperity and strength. I have been here for 19 months and plan to stay another year. I have learned quite a bit about the nuances between the factions, clans and point of views of each group. I also have come to realize that any exit strategy is hopefully years off, we can't leave now."

finally, a sincere, honest post from a soldier. good luck and stay safe.

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11/14/2005 1:52:48 AM

he's a contractor, not a soldier, fag.

11/14/2005 8:54:39 AM

Has it occurred to you that the validity of this picture is dubious at best?

I mean, you pulled it off of snopes.com most likely KNOWING that it wasn't exactly a credible piece of evidence, then posted it on here thinking we won't know the difference. WTF?

From Snopes:

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"Origins: That anti-American rumors have been consistently prevalent in Iraq since the U.S. invasion of that country in March 2003 is hardly a surprise — spreading denigrating rumors is a technique people have always used as a way of reclaiming some measure of control and striking back at a controlling force of outsiders. Anything that appears to corroborate what people say or believe to be true about a reviled group is bound to receive wide distribution, as has been the case with the photograph displayed above. This picture, if taken at face value, seemingly confirms the worst of what is rumored about U.S. servicemen in Iraq — not only has the Marine pictured killed a man (presumably a civilian), but he has also impregnated the dead man's daughter, then proudly and grinningly advertised his deeds, humiliating the Iraqi family even more by enlisting two of their young sons as unwitting accomplices. But should the photograph be taken at face value, or was it the product of some kind of a staged set-up? Is the photograph genuine or the product of digital manipulation? If real, was it on the level, was it a joke pulled off by the Marine pictured, or was the Marine — like the two Iraqi boys in the picture — the victim of a callous prank? "

BUT HEY, PICTURES DON'T LIE!

[Edited on November 14, 2005 at 9:06 AM. Reason : .]

11/14/2005 9:04:54 AM

These pictures are disturbing.
whether they are from iraq/afghan. it may be hard to tell. what you see here is more of what these troops do (caught on camera), supporting the killing of innocent people and then mocking thier religious beliefs.

'Happy Ramadaan' ... how humiliating. this is how liberation is carried out.





http://www.robert-fisk.com/weapons_of_terrorism.htm

11/14/2005 5:50:58 PM

why should we not ridicule that which our enemy holds dear?

the bombs aren't meant for kids in an orphanage, dingbat.

11/14/2005 6:59:58 PM

$100 BUCKS SAYS THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO READ IT AND GET OFFENDED

11/14/2005 7:04:41 PM

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"You have to be a sick piece of shit to pose in front of a corpse, no matter whose. No, we don't know, you're right. Which is why I'll judge just what I see."

I would pay money to pose in front of the corpse of Saddam.

In this case, a few soldiers posed in front of one of Saddam's former officers, who was a leader of a terrorist cell. The way he was killed was inhumane, but I have no sympathy for that fucker.

11/14/2005 7:06:06 PM

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"I would pay money to pose in front of the corpse of Saddam."

so guys ... we combat evil with more evil? i dont think so.

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" the bombs aren't meant for kids in an orphanage, dingbat."

30th,

try explaining that to these people and your own kids (like if you have any).












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11/14/2005 7:49:14 PM

ONCE AGAIN HOW DO WE KNOW YOUR HERO ABU MUSAB AL-ZARQAWI IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PHOTOS YOU POST

OH WAIT, WE FUCKING DON'T

11/14/2005 10:45:50 PM

^ dude

give it a break. there is overwhelming evidence for the destruction of innocent/killing in iraq. see amnesty, human rights groups, brussels tribunal, all highly credible sources.

your heart wants to accept that this has occured, but your mind wants to think otherwise.

have i convinced you yet? or is it the same? i like the word dingbat sounds cool. thanks.

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"" the bombs aren't meant for kids in an orphanage, dingbat." "

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

11/14/2005 11:24:00 PM

^ salisbury, shut the fuck up.

11/15/2005 8:22:44 AM

if anyone is interested.. A former Soldier speaks, another person standing up for whats right -- has ditched his job as a soldier because of the atrocities that continue to be done.. Truth and evidence of massive killing of innocents comes outl!

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" A soldier's story Fugitive GI speaks to WSWS on Iraq war Jeff Riley, WSWS November 15, 2005 Two years ago, after witnessing first-hand the atrocities carried out by the US military in the invasion and occupation of Iraq, Private First Class Joshua Key decided to desert the US Army rather than face redeployment in the criminal war.... "You know, it [the intelligence] never panned out," Key said. "It could be something as simple as a wedding - where it's a tradition for Iraqi people to fire guns in the air when someone gets married - they've been doing that for God knows how many years. So suddenly you have a QRF [Quick Reaction Force] that moves in and starts raiding the home; and your commander gets mad because there's nothing there and cordons off an entire neighborhood and starts raiding every house." "But usually you raid a house in the middle of the night or early in the morning, almost always in the dark," Key continued. "Most of the time we would pull up in civilian vehicles. You drive up to an address. If the door was made out of wood we would simply kick it in. Most of the time we would put C-4 explosives in and just blow the door right off. You run in there and people are running around and crying - let's face it, it's pretty traumatic to have the door blown off your home with C-4 in the middle of the night - and there's usually about six or seven of us doing the raiding." "You just clear room after room forcing everyone down to the ground at gunpoint." Key added. "Then you zip-cuff the males and throw them out the door. They say that we only do that to the males that are over a certain age, but it generally happens to every male in the house no matter how old. Thirteen and fourteen year-old-boys are taken and zip-cuffed and thrown out to a squad waiting out front. They get thrown into the back of a five-ton truck and who knows what happens to them from there. "People are detained for a very long time before they ever see their families again, and I can say that I never saw anyone returned and I definitely never returned anyone back to their home myself. There are tens of thousands sitting in jails for no reason whatsoever. Farming families that depend on the men of the house to survive are ripped apart, with the women left alone to fend for themselves." "There was not a lot of violence at first. I got to Iraq on the 27th of April, 2003. We were in Ramadi, and for the first month there was hardly anything. Every now and then you'd have small arms fire, but you weren't getting mortar attacks and RPGs right and left, I mean it was real calm. And then you start bringing in inexperienced soldiers into the mix - they just move people around all the time so it's never clear what we're doing. Everyone has the same objective, to raid homes, patrol and do traffic control points, and Iraqi civilians were getting shot up during all of it." He continued, "Then you start getting people that are real jumpy. When we got into the country we were told that if you feel threatened, you shoot, and a lot of us did just that. We all heard stories from some of the other platoons about soldiers just shooting down people during raids or in the streets in neighborhoods, because someone may have thrown a rock. Well the commanders say if you can't tell the difference between a rock and a grenade, go ahead and shoot. Me personally, I can tell the difference and I was just not okay with that. I mean, come on, if you can't handle a rock being thrown at you in a situation like this, then there is something just not right. It has only made the Iraqi people hate us that much more." Checkpoints, or traffic control points, where there have been numerous innocent civilians killed, became another focus of the military's violence against the Iraqi population. Key recalled a checkpoint that he was part of where American soldiers just stood waving their hands in the air trying to get people to stop. He explained how he had to pull a young wounded boy from a car that was shot up by his squad for failing to stop when signaled. "They just opened fire on the car because that's what we're told to do," Key explained. "Rather than think for a second, 'Hey, they don't know what the hell we are saying here and it looks like a man and a child - let's just hold off until they get up here,' they just open fire on them. And then you have to pull the bodies out of the car and take the injured off to the hospital, and you know they are just innocent people." "At first it didn't matter if I was going to die or not because we were dying for a purpose - you're dying because your country is at war and we had to take care of Saddam Hussein," he said. "He was a dictator and you're thinking of it all as sort of a Hitler situation. But then it sinks in - the lies, and you start getting mad - your friends are getting hurt and then you start thinking, 'Man, if I die for this, what did I die for?' "And everybody's asking the same thing, 'If I die here, what the hell did I die for?' Well, we died for the greed of President Bush. We died so his friends' companies can thrive over in the Middle East. And it got to the point that I realized I wasn't going to die for that, and I wasn't going to sit in prison for it either." "

...

more here-

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/sold-n15.shtml

[Edited on November 15, 2005 at 5:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2005 5:19:11 PM

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""And everybody's asking the same thing, 'If I die here, what the hell did I die for?' Well, we died for the greed of President Bush. We died so his friends' companies can thrive over in the Middle East. And it got to the point that I realized I wasn't going to die for that, and I wasn't going to sit in prison for it either.""

Oh, shit. This lame conspiracy theory again

11/16/2005 12:49:24 AM

xyzabc,

30thAnnZ is right, I am one of the "Unholy Contractor Bunch". I am not a soldier, but I spent almost 13 years in the Marine Corps and served in the first Gulf War. So I feel I can at least offer an educated opinion on what the military does here.

xyzabc asked me:

"I want to thank you for expressing your honest opinion. i think thats probably the best thing ive read in this thread so far. however, what you have not told us your views on 'no religion, political cause or personal beliefs could ever excuse'. if you truly beleive in that statement, why are you still there? Please do share your opinion with us".

I am here because most of the men I served with are here. I still feel that they are my brothers and like any relationship, if they are there and putting themselves on the edge then, why should my biggest concern be "How many minutes am I over on my cell phone or Hey babe do you want to make dinner or go out?"

So to answer the question of why I am here is two fold, I believe in being apart of a small Team of Men that understand what it means to be apart of a Team and will work night and day to perfect that Team. I am talking about a Team that is so focused and disciplined that you instantly know how the other man will react in any given situation.

I also believe in the people I work with and support. While I do not agree with 90% of their personal politics, I believe they are doing the best work in this country, reconstruction of utilities, organizing local governece and agricultural development.

I have been blown up once which required a two month stay at home and have had a few more close calls. Am I here for the money? Without a doubt, I'd be a liar if I said anything different. Did I come back after being blown up by a suicide bomber for the money?

Absolutely not. Money is nothing when it comes to being 70 years old and reflecting back on your life and wondering if I didn't go back that the terrorists had won.

Well, I can die an old age or even tomorrow and know that they couldn't intimidate me.


xyzabc,

You also wrote about the "massacre in Fallujah".

You couldn't be more wrong, that battle was well announced, civillians and the light hearted insurgents evacuated. The majority of the people left in that city were dedicated insurgents who took over private homes, government centers, schools and mosques. They were man enough to stay and fight so they were man enough to suffer and die.

xyzabc,

I will answer the rest of your questions tomorrow. Not gaffing you off it is just I am tired and it is 3:31 in the morning.

11/21/2005 7:32:40 PM