I see us losing in the first round like getting a flu shot.

You get a little bit of flu to prevent a bigger episode.

You lose a little to prevent an overall fucking sad situation (which, I would argue, has been around for the past couple seasons)

3/12/2006 9:51:36 PM

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" name one tangible thing that UNC has that NCSU cannot offer someone of his calibre."

considering we were recently ranked as the 18th best college bball program of all time, and UNC was second to only UK, id say they have quite a bit more history.

everyone whos followed basketball knows about jordan, sam perkins, james worthy, vince carter, rasheed wallace, bob mcadoo, billy cunningham, larry brown, jerry stackhouse, antawn jamison, rick fox...i could go on

who the fuck do we have? david thompson, googs, nate mcmillan, maybe thurl bailey and burleson. they are the only players that anyone ever cared about that came out of state. nobody gives 2 fucks about what Sammy Ranzino and Ronnie Shavlik or some equally obscure "nc state great" did here. they know this:

-David Thompson was here
-we won an exciting national championship game over Hakeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler in 1983

nobody knows about all these other traditions we claim as our own. nobody cares about everett case outside of the acc. valvano was a good coach, but he won 2 ACC titles. I think Bill fucking Guthridge won just as many.

we are in the top 15 or 20 all time, and thats it. its a good thing, but dont act like we're anywhere near the top programs ever. go ahead and flame, youll only look silly.

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3/12/2006 9:52:28 PM

Another great post. All of you with the stupid shit like vcouldcoach don't realize we always had as good as talent as UNC. Also how good was Duke in the 1980s??? The top 2 teams were NCSU and UNC.

3/12/2006 9:54:47 PM

I don't know about that. Duke was a final four team in 1978 (leading up to the decade), the national runner up in '86, and made the final four in '88 and '89. We won a national championship that was more or less a fluke (not to take anything away from it because it is one of the all time wins in sports history) and not a single final four appearance after that...

UNC only had 1 FF appearance in the 80's too interestingly enough.

Nm.. they had 2..



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3/12/2006 9:58:30 PM

Well I was really trying to get the point across that both Duke and UNC are Dominant now. Then it was one or the other really.

3/12/2006 9:59:32 PM

thx for pwnting packmoron for me, i had just read his post and was responding, but i stopped typing after i saw your response

3/12/2006 9:59:32 PM

OMG IM A REAL NC STATE FAN BECAUSE I WANT HERB FIRED!

3/12/2006 10:00:28 PM

because i want whats best for the program

im serious

and herb isnt it

a change would be good, and make me enjoy basketball time again, instead of dread it knowing that herb is going to coach us out of contention

3/12/2006 10:01:52 PM

Look 6 years ago though when the Herb haters said he can't get us into the tournament. Now we have been 5 years in a row. After we made it 3 times they said Herb can't get us into the Sweet Sixteen. Now this year its Herb can't get us into the Elite 8. Gradually he has kept proving all of you wrong. I think it will be funny as shit if we beat Texas and their 3 NBA top 10 picks with Rick Barnes getting outcoached.

3/12/2006 10:07:46 PM

i'll bet $200 we lose in the first round

3/12/2006 10:09:14 PM

In pure Herb fashion, we will go to the sweet 16 just to shut up the RICK BARNES crowd.

I dont think another trip to the sweet 16 will shut up the Herb Haters though, we need final 4 or an NC to shut them up.


So basically what I'm saying is that either way you look at it we're fucked and there will be endless bitching for the next 7 months.

3/12/2006 10:12:04 PM

I sick and fucking tired of "fans" that say that Herb is the best we can do because we're NOT Duke or UNC.

Why the fuck are you perfectly placated with being these two schools' bitches for the unforseen future?

Why is it that you can't get it through your skulls that while Herb may have helped lift the program out of the doldrums of insignificance, he hasn't brought us up to the level that is currently enjoyed by our neighbors?

Why is that? Why are you happy with this?

3/12/2006 10:12:16 PM

no one is happy with it

but most have learned to accept it

3/12/2006 10:13:02 PM

i am also truly just sooooo sick of his style of basketball

3/12/2006 10:14:27 PM

we lucked out and ended up next to two of the 4 best programs ever

3/12/2006 10:15:08 PM

I am happy

3/12/2006 10:15:40 PM

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"I think it will be funny as shit if we beat Texas and their 3 NBA top 10 picks with Rick Barnes getting outcoached."

it would be extremely hilarious, because it's not going to fucking happen, period

it's pretty much impossible for us to come back and win these games with our top guys injured and in shambles

also, I would like to point out the fact that it's not coaching that makes you win, IT IS PUTTING THE GOD DAMN BALL IN THE BASKET AND NOT BEING A COMPLETE FUCKUP AS A PLAYER

World 1 NCSU Basketball 0

3/12/2006 10:16:01 PM

omg i am happy always losing to unc

3/12/2006 10:16:32 PM

I'm actually quite happy with the current state of the basketball program

3/12/2006 10:16:36 PM

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" I would like to point out the fact that it's not coaching that makes you win"

then why did you bttt a 3 month old thread to bitch about herb's offense

3/12/2006 10:17:17 PM

good coaching does allow you win more

[Edited on March 12, 2006 at 10:18 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2006 10:17:41 PM

how the fuck can you bastards be happy when our guys are too lazy to get their asses under the basket to get an offensive rebound?

how many offensive rebounds did we get in the Wake game? 1? 3?

did that come back to bite us in the ass when we lost by 12 or whatever it was we lost by?

yes, it did



good coaching HELPS you win; it doesn't MAKE you win

you have to consistently shoot the ball well

the coach can call the plays in basketball, but it's far less important than the coach calling plays in football, as far as I'm concerned

[Edited on March 12, 2006 at 10:18 PM. Reason : ]

3/12/2006 10:17:52 PM

was I happy with a few particular losses? nope

am I happy with the state of the basketball program at NC State? yep

3/12/2006 10:20:30 PM

would you be happy if NCSU played Wake Forest 10 more times in a row, and lost 10 times?

3/12/2006 10:26:37 PM

no, and for the same reason that I wouldn't be happy if somebody cut off my 18 inch penis

3/12/2006 10:27:34 PM

i like how people think we're a Rick Barnes away from winning like Duke has the past 10 years. Why cant people just admit that K's run of success rivals only that of Wooden. The big difference being that the college game is much more competitive nationally that it was in the 60s and 70s.

and UNC is UNC and will always be so thanks to (but not limited to) some great players.

i dont give a fuck if we're #3 as long as we win an ACC title every once in awhile.

3/12/2006 10:28:13 PM

^^Well you fucktard, the current state of NC State basketball is 4 losses in a row, and 2 to a weak Wake Forest team.


^Same here.

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3/12/2006 10:28:31 PM

^^^HA


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3/12/2006 10:28:44 PM

but will that happen as long as we're #3

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3/12/2006 10:29:16 PM

^maryland and wake get one every once in awhile, why not?

3/12/2006 10:30:19 PM

more like fake

because wake is fake

and if we can't beat a fake team, how can we be expected to win against a real one?

3/12/2006 10:32:55 PM

we did beat them


back when "we" were healthy and confident

3/12/2006 10:33:49 PM

^which is hardly at the end of the season or during the tourney time when it really matters


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3/12/2006 10:35:10 PM

but we beat them nonetheless

3/12/2006 10:35:56 PM

beat them once

lost to them twice

lost to them twice in completely more crucial games

which one matters more, I wonder

3/12/2006 10:37:58 PM

Death is on point wit it


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3/12/2006 10:40:09 PM

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"Yeah thats why Herb keeps getting these guys to come here and play. Thats also why Julius and Scooter played all four years here too. Julius even came back for his senior season which prolly actually hurt himself. STFU."

no one ever said he wasnt a good recruiter.

but once they get into his system, its obvious there's discontent.

transfers. transfers. transfers. cams bad attitude the last year and the year b/f and getting benched for it and for quotes he said.

just b/c people play here for four years doesnt mean they love it. it means they're honoring the commitment they made. it means they wanna play bball and dont wanna sit out a whole year for transferring.

and then....there have actually been plenty of...transfers transfers transfers.

so good try but no thx.

3/12/2006 10:55:05 PM

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"transfers. transfers. transfers."

Tell me one transfer who we would have been better off with? Damien Wilkins and his dad's constant bitching? Adam Harrington shooting dumbass shots all the time? Adam Simons to keep the bench warm? Justin Flatt to fizzle out on our bench? Dominick Mejia to be the dominant player he was? Wait you want Rouldra Thomas back don't you?

3/12/2006 10:57:36 PM

he's just echoing the shit they spew over at pack"pride"

mocking Herb for his sayings
talking shit about transfers
making up stories about Julius not liking Herb
etc


it's pretty sad if you think about it

3/12/2006 11:04:24 PM

tell u one? i'll mention two off hand.

damien wilkins whos now in the nba and wasn't properly implemented into our crappy "offense"

his dad was a chump, but still, damien was good and we didnt exploit his strengths

and adam harrington whos in the nba now

and then theres the fact that herb recruits them...sooooo...we should want his recruits to stay anyways right?...but not if they suck....but herb's a godly recruiter...so they can't suck....so wait

whether we want em or not...the ungodly amount of transfers means something...wake up

haha, and that's funny how you youngins think you know it all b/c u've been following state bball for four years and always bash the packpride people b/c they actually want something better than just a ncaa appearance

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3/12/2006 11:04:50 PM

^^^Guess we will neva know, but who knows, they can't do much worse than what is on our bench and some of our starters...If Herb is such a great recruit, then those transfers may have the talent that many claim we have and are waiting to see

Just a random thought...


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3/12/2006 11:05:09 PM

i am proud of Herb for not taking Damien back


and Adam wasn't a "team guy" I am very glad he transfered

3/12/2006 11:07:56 PM

yea, to each his own

but i want nba talent on our team

damien did fine at georgia and harrington did fine at auburn

theyre both doin fine now in the big leagues

3/12/2006 11:10:34 PM

Adam Harrington hasn't played in the NBA since '03

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/adam_harrington/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players?search=harrington

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3/12/2006 11:13:07 PM

So in summary, The Great Recruiter recruits good talent, Talent and Recruiter don't mesh (whether it be coaching style, players attittude, offense, etc...) Talent leaves, Talent does good else where, Talent makes it to League, Recruiter still considered great recruiter by fans who say that they glad that Talent left & that the Great Recruiters Recruits were not good enough

hmmmm interesting


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3/12/2006 11:16:02 PM

Adam turned out to be a GREAT talent, huh?

a whopping 30 points scored in the '02-03 season

3/12/2006 11:17:04 PM

you people that are so quick to criticize our offense, have you ever stopped to think about the fact that we didn't make the tournament until he implemented it? and i know for the last 4 years your response to that would have been "it isn't the offense, it's julius hodge".

what is your response this year? this is the first time we weren't a bubble team too. yeah, we limped into the tournament, but we've never been in that situation under herb. not many teams have the luxury of being able to lose their last 4 games in horrific fashion to low-caliber teams and still not worry about not making the tournament.

this season isn't in the books yet, we could still win a couple games in the tournament. we're in the toughest bracket IMO though. obviously there's a good chance we could lose in the first round, but if we don't and somehow get past texas (i don't know, 60% shooting night or something), we could potentially face iowa in the sweet 16. you KNOW if we play them again we'd win. just something to hope for.

regardless of how we do though, we're a better team with herb than without him.


and on a side note, in 2002 UCONN knocked us out of the tournament in the 2nd round. 3 years later in 2005 we returned the favor. in 2003, california knocked us out in the 1st round...

3/12/2006 11:18:32 PM

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"and adam harrington whos in the nba now"

Harrington played about 5 minutes in the NBA. Thats like saying Hodge is an NBA player. Josh Powell is in the big league now too.

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"haha, and that's funny how you youngins think you know it all b/c u've been following state bball for four years and always bash the packpride people b/c they actually want something better than just a ncaa appearance"

My parents have had season tickets since I was like 5. Good call. I know more about NCSU basketball than 99% of people on this board. In fact I haven't missed a game in the last 3 years. If I dont get student tix, Im in the seats with my parents. The only transfer to leave that I wish stayed was Trey Guidry, whom I guarantee some on this board who argue Herb should be fired don't have a clue who he is.

3/12/2006 11:18:50 PM

Who said GREAT Talent? I know I didn't...but I did say Good Talent (And if yuo make it to the league, then you are Good...but maybe not Great or Stellar)


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3/12/2006 11:20:25 PM

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"you KNOW if we play them again we'd win. just something to hope for."

Whoa now. We got better in the games after we played Iowa, but I think a lot of you people who have insulted Iowa all year never watched any of their other games.

They beat the crap out of tons of talented Big 10 teams this year. Their game may look ugly sometimes, but they win.

3/12/2006 11:21:04 PM