^no he doesnt

you know it.

LOL. The next MJ?

WTF?

who ever, ever, ever thought that?

I just want good players on the team who WANT to play basketball, not save thier energy for baseball.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:02 AM. Reason : Michael Jordan.....MUHAHAHHAHAHA]

3/14/2006 11:00:40 AM

so yes ... thanks for clearing that up

3/14/2006 11:01:51 AM

That's kind of shitty to question the kids effort. Most of you, myself included, have no idea how hard it is to play ONE sport and goto school, let alone TWO sports.

I don't think it's an effort question. I think it's a talent question. Not everyone can put up 20 and 10 at a drop of a hat. He is what he is. A solid addition to the team who seems to be a hard worker (to me)...

3/14/2006 11:03:17 AM

jesus christ, I wasnt being completely literal, catch the drift dude.

everyone built him up sooooooo much at the beginning of the season like he was going to be the leader of the team (and yes people LITERALLY did say that).

just because he didnt meet everyone's expectations does not mean he did not give it his all.

he can give it his all in basketball while he's playing and still have baseball as his first love.

3/14/2006 11:05:34 AM

but what would I do if I were him?

this is the exact scenario:

I would hustle my ass off in the Tourney
I would give the fans something to look forward to for next year
then if Herb is forced out of Raleigh after this year (which I expect to happen), I would hold a press conference to say that I can't play basketball for you fans.
then I would quit the basketball team and focus on baseball full-time and make the asshole fans who drove Herb out of town wonder what could have been had I stayed around for another season


but seriously. MLB is where is future is at. he will not go pro in basketball. basketball is just a hobby for him right now. probably something to prove a point or to stay in shape for baseball. you should have a heart-to-heart with him and tell him the john kruk, his #1 fan, says to give up basketball and stick with baseball

3/14/2006 11:05:54 AM

Quote :

"then I would quit the basketball team and focus on baseball full-time and make the asshole fans who drove Herb out of town"

nym is correct :x I haven't seen, personally, him half-ass anything. I think he should do what he enjoys and help out. Obviously if he's getting minutes he's not a detriment to the team :x

Baseball is where he should end up. but basketball's not so bad in the middle.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 11:07:39 AM

you all did think he was gonna be MJ

remember when everyone was like "O MAN HE HAS GOTTEN SO BIG OVER SUMMER, HES GONNA BE AWESOME"

yea, yall said it

3/14/2006 11:07:43 AM

good to see at least ONE person gets it.

thank you NyM410

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:08 AM. Reason : and BigHitSunday]

3/14/2006 11:08:01 AM

yea he wants to play:

vs. Boston College
10 minutes 1-3 FG 2 points

vs. Wake
25 minutes 2-10 4 points

vs. Wake (ACC TOURNEY)
7 minutes 0-0 0 points



He is really giving 100%



With that said, even though he is/was a tremendous asset to the team and our philosophy, I would really like him to succed in Baseball. It is obvious that that is what he truly loves.

I do appreciate everything that he has done for our b-ball team. He had a huge shot in last years tourney, maybe he has one more in him!

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:12 AM. Reason : addition]

3/14/2006 11:08:58 AM

^oh shit, you're right. i totally forget HE decides when/how much he plays. thank you for reminding me.

3/14/2006 11:10:03 AM

WHOA WHOA WHOA .....



























NC STATE FANS ... with amazingly inflated expectations and refusal to accept incrimental improvements



:GASP: this cannot be

3/14/2006 11:10:24 AM

i SINCERELY apologize for the "lack of effort/hustle" comments. i am seriously a big fan of his, i even wished him well when I met him at Talley the summer before his freshman year

I just want what's best for my Andrew. and it seems that baseball is where it's at



BTW, please tell him to consider wearing an "I HATE WOLFPACK BASKETBALL FANS" t-shirt to the press conference if he does decide to give up basketball

i will make the damn shirt for him

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:12 AM. Reason : ,]

3/14/2006 11:10:50 AM

Quote :

"^oh shit, you're right. i totally forget HE decides when/how much he plays. thank you for reminding me."

qft



I'm not sure why but this comment made me chuckle :

Quote :

"I just want what's best for my Andrew."

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:11 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 11:11:04 AM

Quote :

"yea he wants to play: vs. Boston College 10 minutes 1-3 FG 2 points vs. Wake 25 minutes 2-10 4 points vs. Wake (ACC TOURNEY) 7 minutes 0-0 0 points"

HE DOESNT DECIDE WHEN/HOW MUCH HE PLAYS... COACH DOES.

so, that was a stupid point for panthro to make

he needs to reread nym's comment again:

let me help out:

Quote :

"I don't think it's an effort question. I think it's a talent question. Not everyone can put up 20 and 10 at a drop of a hat. He is what he is. A solid addition to the team who seems to be a hard worker (to me)..."

^do you understand "qtf" I was being a smartass about now?

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:16 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 11:15:19 AM

Panthro,

You are a moron. Are points the only way to measure a player's performance?

Brack has shown as much hustle and determination as anyone on the team. His minutes are just as vital as anyone else's.

Just look down the road at Wake Forest and realize what our season could have been. They probably have more "talent" than State and will be showing it in the NIT.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:16 AM. Reason : []

3/14/2006 11:15:29 AM

Quote :

"That's kind of shitty to question the kids effort. Most of you, myself included, have no idea how hard it is to play ONE sport and goto school, let alone TWO sports. I don't think it's an effort question. I think it's a talent question. Not everyone can put up 20 and 10 at a drop of a hat. He is what he is. A solid addition to the team who seems to be a hard worker (to me)..."

no doubt, but when you are missing layups and dunks and 2 foot shots when you are like 6'10", unacceptable, you shouldnt be on the team, he consistently plays like he is 6'1 under the basket

3/14/2006 11:15:58 AM

I wonder if fatigue played a role? A few of my friends that played baseball in the Big East played in the Cape Cod wooden bat leagues in the summer and all fall as well. I don't know if Brack did a summer baseball league like that but playing two sports year round and going to school can make you VERY tired I'd bet..

3/14/2006 11:17:55 AM

will you accept my apology?

3/14/2006 11:19:22 AM

Quote :

"Brack has shown as much hustle and determination as anyone on the team. His minutes are just as vital as anyone else's."

I agree.

but 7 minutes in a crucial ACC tourney game?

his hustle and determination are negated if he doesnt ever get the chance to use them.

I know he cant decide when he plays but this all started when baseball season started. I just think he could do more.

All of those plays with Ced at the top of the key vs Boston College, Brackman would have been perfect in that situation...I know its herb's decision and all but damn....he always used to be so quick to get Brackman in there...now he just rides the pine.

WTF gives?

3/14/2006 11:22:00 AM

Quote :

"I wonder if fatigue played a role? A few of my friends that played baseball in the Big East played in the Cape Cod wooden bat leagues in the summer and all fall as well. I don't know if Brack did a summer baseball league like that but playing two sports year round and going to school can make you VERY tired I'd bet.."

no excuse, dont play 2 sports if you cant hack it, i dont want people on a team who are half assing it he may very well be tired, i dont care, not my problem, dont play 2 sports then

i am sure he is nice enough a guy and I would be happy playing jsut one sport in college, let alone 2

but i am sorry it is just no excuse man, NO EXCUSE

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:24 AM. Reason : ]

3/14/2006 11:23:46 AM

Quote :

"do you understand "qtf" I was being a smartass about now?"

no no no I was being serious lol.... I was quoting what you said because that was absolutly right ....


you can't say brack isnt giving it his all and then reference a game he played 7minutes in .....

Herbert says that not brack :x Now if he had 0 pts in 39 minutes panthro -might possibly- have had a point but that could as well be a bad game etc etc etc

so no duch. I was agreeing

3/14/2006 11:24:13 AM

^^ding ding

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:24 AM. Reason : winner winner, Chicken dinner]

3/14/2006 11:24:29 AM

^^lol. sorry. hehehe. I was more or less just trying to be a smartass to the "qtf".

Quote :

"I know its herb's decision"

at least you finally get it. that is what gives.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:27 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 11:24:56 AM

BAH ! damn carrots

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ^]

3/14/2006 11:25:01 AM

Quote :

"you can't say brack isnt giving it his all and then reference a game he played 7minutes in ..... Herbert says that not brack :x Now if he had 0 pts in 39 minutes panthro -might possibly- have had a point but that could as well be a bad game etc etc etc"

so what about the game before that:

25 minutes - 4 points?

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:27 AM. Reason : asdf]

3/14/2006 11:26:39 AM

It's not like I'm defending his poor play Bodi. I agree. I just don't think it was because of lack of effort. That's all.

3/14/2006 11:27:04 AM

Quote :

" Are points the only way to measure a player's performance? "

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:28 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 11:27:35 AM

nvmd. ^ what he said.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:28 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 11:27:47 AM

can you give us any inside information on whether he's coming back to play basketball next year

or at least what he's leaning toward

3/14/2006 11:28:40 AM

Quote :

"yea he wants to play: vs. Boston College 10 minutes 1-3 FG 2 points vs. Wake 25 minutes 2-10 4 points vs. Wake (ACC TOURNEY) 7 minutes 0-0 0 points He is really giving 100%"

So that is what you are basing your effort estimate on. Hell, I could give 1000% at my current skill level and:

vs. Millbrook High
40 minutes 0-20 0 points

3/14/2006 11:29:05 AM

^^no sir, i cannot. sowwy.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:29 AM. Reason : ^]

3/14/2006 11:29:44 AM

i know man, and i agree no one can make a judgment about him giving complete effort, i assume he does for the benefit of the doubt, but when you start playing like you are 6'1 under the boards when you are like 6'10, eye brows are gonna raise, thats all

3/14/2006 11:31:17 AM

well correct me if I'm wrong, but he can declare in this next MLB draft, right?

if so, he should whoop some ass for Pack Baseball and take it to the next level

then you two should start making kids immediately

they'd be adorable

3/14/2006 11:31:28 AM

^lol, thanks for the advice. he cant declare until 2007

/andrew.

this thread is supposed to be about whether or not herb haters will quit if we go to the sweet sixteen.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:32 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:34 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 11:32:19 AM

You can NOT declare if you begin college until

a) You are over 21 by the draft date

b) You are FINISHED with your JR or SR year

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:33 AM. Reason : come on ^^ this is remedial stuff.]

3/14/2006 11:32:56 AM

So is there a list of haters who are leaving when we reach the Sweet 16?

3/14/2006 11:33:59 AM

Quote :

"but when you start playing like you are 6'1 under the boards when you are like 6'10, eye brows are gonna raise, thats all"

I was under the impression that every NC State fan on this message board was convinced that we never rebounded or got the ball to the post.... color me confused :x

3/14/2006 11:34:24 AM

last question about ol' Drew

can you get me an autographed baseball or a jersey or something


I seriously am his #1 fan

3/14/2006 11:35:56 AM

^PM me for that stuff.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 11:36:54 AM

i think the herb hating has gotten to such a high level now that i don't think there's any way he'll stay. i'm glad he gets pissed off at the stupid fans for asking questions like that. i really wish he would hold a press conference and tell the fans to go to hell. i just hope he stays though.

3/14/2006 11:37:27 AM

hell be like

"KISSSSSSS MY ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS WOLFPACK NATION"

3/14/2006 11:39:06 AM

WHOA

WHOA

WHOA

WHOA

WHOA

















This is NOT my Batman cup!

3/14/2006 11:39:43 AM

Kruk....

you couldnt be more of a kiss-ass if you tried.

3/14/2006 11:39:49 AM

thanks!


oh damn, i thought of another question:

It's quite obvious that I'm a big time Herb supporter. what is Drew's feeling toward the treatment Herb has been receiving from the asshole fans and the media? is it bringing team moral down, as I expect it's doing.

3/14/2006 11:40:25 AM

^^^ thankyou ... my day is complete



and ^ I'd venture probably close to bennermans but that's kinda a silly question :x




[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:41 AM. Reason : this carrot system ... so inefficent]

3/14/2006 11:40:25 AM

Quote :

"I was under the impression that every NC State fan on this message board was convinced that we never rebounded or got the ball to the post.... color me confused :x"

lol you confused me, i dont know what you are trying to say

3/14/2006 11:41:06 AM

it would seem that makes 2 of us then

3/14/2006 11:42:15 AM

lol, no more questions!!

get back on track with the thread!

3/14/2006 11:42:38 AM

K herb sucks

3/14/2006 11:44:21 AM

way to insight conversation there allstar :x

3/14/2006 11:47:03 AM