Mr. Mangieri,

I don't take anything you said to be patently untrue. It struck me as likely that you wouldn't need to garner influence in what is essentially a powerless body.

It is also entirely possible that you and your organization have nothing to do with any of my concerns; however, individuals within your organization certainly do.

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"Again really all IFC endorsements are is just hey we feel you are competent to do the job and may do a generally good job if elected."

Except this isn't really true, and you've admitted as much:

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"Secondly, IFC is probably always going to endorse and support IFC Men specifically or any Greeks running for any number of positions."

It looks like unless none or more than one of the candidates are IFC people, you all don't really give a shit about competence. You're "always going to endorse and support IFC men," regardless of whether or not they've got a brain in their head.

And if you've misinterpreted my tone or my diction to indicate anything but a seething hatred of your organization, well, I apologize. You've always seemed like a decent enough guy in class. If my beloved hypothetic revolution ever came, it would pain me to guillotine you.

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"and thinking that was possible just shows how little you understand how ifc works"

Like I've said several times, I don't necessarily think that the IFC itself has anything to do with anything, but there are certain several members of that organization that do.

Purely by way of analogy, they're like the Freemasons -- maybe they directed the founding of America, and maybe they didn't (OK, they definitely didn't, but work with me here), but there certainly were a damned suspicious many of them involved.

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"You can say what you will about a scholarship not being the same as a job during school.....but the reality is he worked for his colllege by working hard in high school to get good grades."

This is possible, but not knowing much about his high school I don't think either of us can peg it as certain. And even if his program was rigorous, past experience has taught me not to draw from that fact that he worked particularly hard. I can think of certain valedictorians at my own high school whose primary means of advancement, especially in extracurriculars but also in class, was to lie on applications, cheat on essays, etc. (And before anyone accuses me of coveting his position, I was about 70th in my class, so it ain't like his getting bumped from the spot was going to do me any good.)

Not saying Will Quick was like that, just that we shouldn't ride anybody's dick too hard just because they did alright in fucking high school.

Besides, even if he did do an honest, good job, he should (begrudgingly) be commended for it...but at the same time, he still doesn't really have much of a connection with most students in this most important of respects. Memories of hard work tend to fade fast with success.

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"However, Will Quick is a nice guy."

For every person I hear say this so far I can come up with a girl that he's leered at or a coworker that he's screwed over.

3/24/2006 12:52:44 PM

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"Russ1331: In fact many kids who complain of financial burden could have removed some of it .... if not all of it .... by simply applying for scholarships and working harder in high school."

now that's some funny shit...gg...

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2006 1:31:48 PM

i could have gotten a scholarship in hs, but i had no incentive to try

grumpy how about you go sit in on a ifc meeting, i dont think they are closed

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 1:33 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2006 1:33:24 PM

This spinning of IFC in a positive light mess is pissing me off. I know of a specific example where IFC was bullshitting.

"The IFC endorsement is just that for candidates who approach us and we feel are competent and can do a good job if elected we say hey we will endorse you on that basis and support you on that cause."

I happen to know Ayo Adyeyye, candidate for senior class president and Adam Whitehouse's opponent went to IFC weeks ago to speak about his platform. At that meeting, Langley and a couple of others were also there to speak. IFC debated, in front of the fucking candidates, how they were going to handle endorsements and decided not to endorse Ayo or anyone else that night. Whitehouse spoke last week, after being sought out by IFC guys at the last fucking minute, and was endorsed outright. Conveniently, none of the guys when they voted had access to the minutes or anything to remember what Ayo spoke about even though he apparently had handed an agenda to every guy in that room. Tell me how that's fair Mangieiri.

Another thing that people forgot to mention with this whole IFC conspiracy. When Quick appointed Adam Whitehouse, he put him on the Campus Community Committee which is in charge of all ticket distribution and Adam was made chair. Coincidentally, Sigma Chi then had the whole ticket scandal. Not to mention the fact that Whitehouse is re-running for that seat and senior class b/c he wants he and his frat buddies guarantteed tickets to every game. Bullshit; those motherfuckers cant have our tickets.

3/24/2006 1:35:57 PM

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"I always had this feeling that Wolfpack and I would end up on opposite sides"

What first gave you that feeling, chief? (Oh yeah, it's because I'm Catholic - another group you unfairly hate on. Now I remember.)

Student Senate Presidents appoint their friends to Senate seats all the time. It's nothing new. It was happening when I was in Senate - four years ago; to wit, President Anthony was appointing people to try to get enough votes to get Gary Palin impeached. It doesn't have anything to do with the particular President in question - if you want to get rid of that, then change the rules to get rid of the President's power to appoint. The appointments need to be confirmed by the Senate anyway.

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 2:01 PM. Reason : Long live the Pope, his praises sound again and yet again...]

3/24/2006 2:00:33 PM

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"Oh yeah, it's because I'm Catholic"

Hardly. My best friend is Catholic. I give him a hard time, but that's just because our friendship is rooted primarily in insults and violence.

No, the reason I knew we'd end up on opposite sides is because you're a Catholic pawn. I've never seen anyone give himself over so completely to someone else to let them pick what he believes right down to the smallest issue.

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"Student Senate Presidents appoint their friends to Senate seats all the time. It's nothing new."

If I have to explain to you why this doesn't make their appointments right, then I think you've proven my point.

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"I happen to know Ayo Adyeyye, candidate for senior class president and Adam Whitehouse's opponent went to IFC weeks ago to speak about his platform. At that meeting, Langley and a couple of others were also there to speak. IFC debated, in front of the fucking candidates, how they were going to handle endorsements and decided not to endorse Ayo or anyone else that night. Whitehouse spoke last week, after being sought out by IFC guys at the last fucking minute, and was endorsed outright. Conveniently, none of the guys when they voted had access to the minutes or anything to remember what Ayo spoke about even though he apparently had handed an agenda to every guy in that room. Tell me how that's fair Mangieiri."

I had heard about all this and wondered what there was to it. I can't say I'm surprised. I know Ayo Adeyeye and Adam Whitehouse personally. Ayo's an upstanding guy with brains. Adam's a subhuman piece of shit with a checkered history. If he has any brains at all, they're the cat-toy-with-a-bell-inside variety from ATHF.

And yet, lo and behold, who got the endorsement? Oh, that's right, the Sigma Chi ape.

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"grumpy how about you go sit in on a ifc meeting, i dont think they are closed"

Do I have to go to a NAMBLA meeting to know that I don't like NAMBLA? Do I have to go to a Klan rally to know I don't like the Klan? Or to justify my not liking it?

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 2:52 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2006 2:48:57 PM

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"I've never seen anyone give himself over so completely to[Christ]"

I'm sorry to hear that.

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"Oh, that's right, the Sigma Chi ape."

So let's trace your development. You started out with hatred of groups because they're different than you, then devolved to name-calling of people because they're different than you, and NOW you have devolved even further into using dehumanizing terms for people because they're different than you. If you don't mind my saying so - and even if you do mind - you don't seem to be progressing very well along the road of life.

Ave Maria!

3/24/2006 2:54:25 PM

Ha! We can get into the difference between giving yourself over to Christ and giving yourself over to a decripit former Nazi some other time.

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"You started out with hatred of groups because they're different than you, then devolved to name-calling of people because they're different than you, and NOW you have devolved even further into using dehumanizing terms for people because they're different than you."

This is inane to the point of causing me physical pain.

I hate groups that I perceive to be wrong, or, at least, that I percieve to be wrong past a certain point. The Democrats are different from me. I don't hate them. Hell, most Republicans are different from me, and I don't hate them. I would venture to say that virtually every native of the country of Bhutan has next to nothing in common with me, and I can't recall ever having said an unkind word about Bhutan or its noble citizens.

3/24/2006 3:01:29 PM

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"We can get into the difference between giving yourself over to Christ and giving yourself over to a decripit former Nazi some other time."

No we can't.

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"This is inane to the point of causing me physical pain."

Well I didn't intend to cause you physical pain - I'll just consider that a bonus.

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"I hate groups that I perceive to be wrong, or, at least, that I percieve to be wrong past a certain point. The Democrats are different from me. I don't hate them. Hell, most Republicans are different from me, and I don't hate them. I would venture to say that virtually every native of the country of Bhutan has next to nothing in common with me, and I can't recall ever having said an unkind word about Bhutan or its noble citizens."

Ok, a thousand pardons, I will rephrase. You perceive fraternities in general to be "wrong" (that is, you judge them) unfairly. Happy?

Furthermore, just because you hate one group because they are different than you, does not mean that you hate EVERY group in the world who is different from you. Hating even one group because they're different from you is sufficient to make you a moron.

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 3:12 PM. Reason : Bhutan sucks]

3/24/2006 3:09:20 PM

haha dr. mangieri for president '08

3/24/2006 3:26:29 PM

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"No we can't."

That's a shame. Honestly, without your babbling, proving my point will actually be slightly less easy than it would otherwise have been.

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" You perceive fraternities in general to be "wrong" (that is, you judge them) unfairly."

Do you not think that any group at any point in history has been wrong? You don't seem to have any shortage of unkind things to say about pro-choice folks. Be honest, here. And don't start with all that "judge not" nonsense. God has instructed me not to judge souls, and I don't, or at least I strive not to. Occasionally I'll throw around words like "soulless," but those are just general insults, not actual commentary.

I don't know that the typical fraternity and the things that it stands for are abominable in any religious, philosophical, or political context, but based on my best and constantly evaluated understanding of the universe, it seems to me most likely that they are, and for me to not act accordingly would be a sin of omission.

3/24/2006 3:37:24 PM

You used a lot of words but didn't really say very much. I am not saying you are never allowed to criticize anyone; I am saying you are not allowed to criticize them unfairly. And I believe your criticisms to be unfair. Which is why I have to criticize you, sin of omission, understanding of the universe, yada yada yada.

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"Do you not think that any group at any point in history has been wrong?"

Of course. You.

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 3:50 PM. Reason : yep]

3/24/2006 3:49:42 PM

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"Do I have to go to a NAMBLA meeting to know that I don't like NAMBLA? Do I have to go to a Klan rally to know I don't like the Klan? Or to justify my not liking it?"

if you are this clueless about those groups too it might be an enlightening experience

3/24/2006 3:51:25 PM

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" I am saying you are not allowed to criticize them unfairly."

Oh, see, that's where I got confused. I thought if that was what you were trying to do, you wouldn't say things like "you hate people because they're different," and might even offer some sort of evidence as to why my criticisms are unfair.

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"if you are this clueless about those groups too it might be an enlightening experience"

I can't help but notice that you're using the "Well I don't actually know what's going on so I'll tell him to do something time-consuming that I know he'll never actually do and then I will look right" method.

3/24/2006 4:30:57 PM

i, unlike you, have actually been to ifc meetings

3/24/2006 4:33:40 PM

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"^Dude, just stop. Just give up. The election is in four days. Two of those are weekend days when nobody's going to be around campus. Cody's chance is shot. "

His platform is good even if his name isn't out there as much as the other 2 candidates. But this is only a student election, so it wouldn't take that much for everyone to become more aware of his candidacy and platform. Maybe between now and then he can get his name out more, but even if its not since its an online election voters can see his name on the ballet, a kind of last minute publicity, and check out his platform.

I think Langely will probably win with a landslide. But its atleast worthwhile for Cody’s platform to become more well known, so that with whoever wins, maybe Cody’s ideas of revitalizing Hillsborough street can be incorporated.

GrumpyGOP when your boy Langley wins, atleast suggest to him to have a look at this part of Cody's platform, and try to have some revitalization attempts beyond just a block party.

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"Platform & Initiatives Taste of Hillsborough: How many of you knew what businesses were on Hillsborough Street your freshman year. Or even now as maybe a senior? Hillsborough is the front door of this university and should be somewhere students are familiar with. Taste of Hillsborough is a new program I want to implement in the fall. I will work with Hillsborough businesses, NC State and the city of Raleigh to close down the street for a night and give businesses and students a chance to meet. Students will be able to sample food from all participating businesses for a nominal fee or hopefully even free. Along with this will be music and other activities that allow students to meet one another and put some life back into Hillsborough Street! Hillsborough Business Guide Book: To compliment the Taste of Hillsborough event I want to print a magazine that contains the menus of every business on Hillsborough Street relevant to NC State. These books will be distributed to the residence halls and also available in all participating restaurants. Students will be able to find the menus for all of the restaurants in one place without ever having to make a phone call. Along with all of the menus this magazine would have coupons for restaurants and a list of discounts throughout the Raleigh / Cary area that are available to NC State students. Many of which students are not aware of. "

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 5:42 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2006 5:39:14 PM

Apparently the offer of maybe a bojangles discount that could fall through is a vote getter, but pizza coupons is just plain evil!

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=396505

3/24/2006 5:48:57 PM

student government isn't able to put the life back into hillsborough - try for an office that has more effect if that is your goal

3/24/2006 6:11:10 PM

If students are so disinterested in enjoying Hillsborough street and wont even get behind a SBP in trying to revitalize it, then I suppose there is no hope. But I guess we will find out if people are actually interested by whether or not they vote Cody into office.

3/24/2006 6:18:43 PM

Russ1331:In fact many kids who complain of financial burden could have removed some of it .... if not all of it .... by simply applying for scholarships and working harder in high school."

TGD " now that's some funny shit....gg.....


Well Mr. TGD, I got approx 70 grand in scholarships and my mom has payed for none of my college. I also have approx 900 a month in spending cash for each month thanks to working hard in hs and applying for scholarships.

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"This is possible, but not knowing much about his high school I don't think either of us can peg it as certain. And even if his program was rigorous, past experience has taught me not to draw from that fact that he worked particularly hard. I can think of certain valedictorians at my own high school whose primary means of advancement, especially in extracurriculars but also in class, was to lie on applications, cheat on essays, etc. (And before anyone accuses me of coveting his position, I was about 70th in my class, so it ain't like his getting bumped from the spot was going to do me any good.)"

As to that he went to the school of Science in Math in SC which shows that he had to work hard to be valedictorian. That is a school chunked full of some of the smartest kids in SC and he still came out on top of his class. Intelligence wise he is a very smart guy. As for people who dont like him... im sure he has some people that dont.... but hey most people in any kind of public situation have people that dont like them.


On a different note I like the Will Langley little videos I think there funny.... but he does a much better job against the other candidate than will. Basically against Will his only beef is that he is from SC.

3/24/2006 7:14:48 PM

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"Well Mr. TGD, I got approx 70 grand in scholarships and my mom has payed for none of my college.... I like the Will Langley little videos I think there funny"

damn, maybe i should have applied for your scholarships



[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 7:32 PM. Reason : just, wow]

3/24/2006 7:30:42 PM

Yup..... im telling you the money is there if you apply. For example the Robert Byrd Scholarship (Senator that gives like 10 million a year in scholarships to NC kids) only requires a 2.5 GPA, 930 on your SAT, and no essays to apply. It gives you 1500 a year for 4 years and all you have to do to maintain it is stay a fulltime student ( 12 hours). I also got a free 3,000 dollar computer and I bought some subs for my car with someone of it..... lol


^ Im an EE I could careless about Grammer or spelling...but thank you for correcting me I appreciate it.

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 7:38 PM. Reason : )]

3/24/2006 7:36:41 PM

so thats 6k, how did you get the other 64k?

3/24/2006 7:49:07 PM

54,000 Park ( NCSU's scholarship)......the rest is SAT scholarship, Beta Club Scholarship, and then some one time scholarships that added up to around 4500

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 8:20 PM. Reason : )]

3/24/2006 8:20:20 PM

i dont know why people complain about money, everyone can be a park scholar

3/24/2006 8:27:44 PM

i was under the impression youre not supposed to accept any other scholarships if you have the park scholarship; thats pretty much fucked up. other people could have used that money to fund their education, but instead you bought subs for your car.

youre so awesome.

3/24/2006 8:30:09 PM

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"Russ1331: Well Mr. TGD, I got approx 70 grand in scholarships and my mom has payed for none of my college. I also have approx 900 a month in spending cash for each month thanks to working hard in hs and applying for scholarships."

I'm happy for you. See me applaud. ::applause::

Unfortunately I wasn't lucky enough to get one of those NCSU full-ride scholarships, so instead I took my GPA and SAT score and busted my ass writing essays and other shit my whole senior year, getting a bunch of one-time awards that didn't do shit for my sophomore year in college.

I don't mind, b/c in that time I dropped out of school I've already accomplished more than a good chunk of people twice my age. But don't give me any of that utopian Protestant Work Ethic bullshit on "if you work hard you'll be ok." It's arrogant little fucks like you that make me want to vote against Will Quick just out of spite...

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"Supplanter: If students are so disinterested in enjoying Hillsborough street and wont even get behind a SBP in trying to revitalize it, then I suppose there is no hope. But I guess we will find out if people are actually interested by whether or not they vote Cody into office."

I like Cody, he's definitely a nice guy and he's got good people on his campaign...but you've been riding his dick pretty hard for the past week or so. Are you on his campaign too?


[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 9:31 PM. Reason : ---]

3/24/2006 9:19:33 PM

since you asked in 2 threads, i answered here

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=396505

3/24/2006 11:02:01 PM

Mr. Booth,

First off, no apologies needed I take all of your claims and statements as serious critical assessments of the Council that may just have a hint of personal hatred attached, but mostly fair critiques of my organization. I hold you in quite high regard so if it were to come down that my demise be at your end I'd take a sense of pride in knowing at least my demise was by a man I respect and feels as sense mutual gentlemen respect for myself.

Anyways just to follow up to some of your claims. I was a little confused by your take that IFC endorsements aren't really true as I claimed:

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"Except this isn't really true, and you've admitted as much"

What I meant by my claim is that we endorse on the very loose criterion of we feel as a Council your are a competent and capable candidate that if elected could do a satisfactory job in office. There isn't much else to an IFC endorsement. Again we don't mandate that the Council has to vote for only IFC endorsed candidates its more of just a public acknowledgement. Also we have been told by the Elections Commission, or made known, if IFC were to assist a candidate in any manner that they needed an IFC endorsement so that is also another criteria for an IFC endorsement. If you could specifically state why my statement is incorrect I'd appreciate it.

Secondly, just to clarify who IFC endorsed this year we endorsed Zach Adams, Adam Compton, Adam Whitehouse, Will Quick, and Lock Whiteside (all Greek except Lock). Ayo and Langley were the only other candidates to approach IFC for endorsement that did not recieve endorsement. So to argue if IFC really considers "competence" in endorsements is an arbitray point since I don't believe neither of us will agree on the same terms. Also I can't think of a manner that could sufficiently illustrate to you that some sense of competence of an IFC or Greek is evaluated before endorsement outside of their affiliation status. So I will concede that IFC's competence philosophy in endorsements is fairly questionable by outside sources.

I was pleased to hear that you don't necessarily consider IFC as an interference in your concerns, but rather certain IFC Men are of your concern. To answer that all I can offer you is that it is unfortunate that select individuals can always discredit an entire organization, but there is no way to safeguard around that. I would just hope those individuals that are of your concern are man enough to be responsible and honest in their business and if not ensure they are accountable for their ways by whatever means you deem necessary.

Lastly, maybe after our American Public Policy rappage on Tuesday we will have to discuss exactly what makes your hatred for IFC such a strong conviction. I would truly enjoy the time to understand where your perception of IFC comes from. As I stated earlier I hold you in high regard and your opinion of the Council is of great worth to myself.

jrshort23:

I believe your knowledge on your specific example may be a little misleading or not entirely correct. Ayo did speak at an IFC Council meeting close to a month ago (at least 2 Council meetings ago) and nobody in the IFC Legislative Body moved to endorse Ayo. Personally I found that unfortunate since I myself personally endorsed Ayo and feel he is the quality candidate. But that fact is insignificant in this discussion. Since nobody in the Council moved to endorse Ayo it means nobody in the Council felt Ayo to be a competent or worthy candidate to endorse, that is the fact and to discredit IFC's opinion on the matter is arbitrary much like Mr. Booth and my opinion on the IFC "competent" discussion.

When you refer to the IFC discussion on IFC endorsements you are referencing a new progressive protocol on IFC endorsements. The motion as proposed by myself and moved on by the Council would state that IFC would officially endorse candidates on the basis of their experience, sincerity, and ultimate overall ability in office to benefit the general student body (again all arbritary points I'm sure you and I would differ on) also IFC would endorse numerous candidates even in the same race if we felt they were up to par on our criteria (this move was made because the Council does not mandate votes). That motion was moved, discussed, questioned, and ultimately failed. So at that meeting there was no formal IFC endorsement system decided upon, so just past precedent would be used and Ayo simply did not get anyone from the Council to move on him regardless to the discussion on IFC endorsements.

For the case of Whitehouse he won an IFC endorsement by an 11-3 vote using the old precedent as described above. When you claim that this endorsement was conviently made without records on Ayo's platform I believe that does not reflect on the Council operations or scrutiny of them but rather the men in attendance's opinion. The minutes from Ayo's meeting were not present at the meeting directly because that Council meeting was 2 meetings ago and we only print the minutes from the previous meeting for IFC to have to look over and approve at the beginning of the meeting (the IFC Men in attendance should have had access to Ayo's information if they kept their old Council meeting minutes). The IFC Men duly had the access to Ayo's platform and had the opportunity to understand his platform, the fact his minutes were no directly present is not a sound objection. The IFC Men in attendance were made aware of Ayo's platform previously and they again simply did not feel the need to object Whitehouse's endorsement because of Ayo's platform, that too is an arbritary point I believe neither of us can agree on. It may be worth mentioning that at that meeting and endorsement for Ayo was moved upon and failed by an 6-7 vote. So some IFC Men did feel the need to reopen discussion on an endorsement for Ayo, just he did not carry enough sway to win an endorsement.

Unfortunate, yes. Fair, yes. IFC was informed on Ayo's platform both at the meeting he presentated and the meeting Whitehouse was endorsed; simply at the latter the knowledge on Ayo's platform was the responsibilty of those to sufficiently review and retain the minutes or keep those records. IFC isn't going to babysit grown men, we have complete trust they will review, keep, and know the business of meetings prior. So to argue that IFC was not duly informed or knowledgable of Ayo's platform and unjustly endorsed Whitehouse is an incorrect statement. IFC clearly had the knowledge of Ayo's platform both at the meeting he was at and the meeting Whitehouse was endorsed. IFC simply did not carry a majority to also endorse Ayo which that is the opinion of the IFC Men and an arbitrary point for this discussion. I don't know what other additional information may be a better resource for this concern.

So I hope that sheds better light on your concern.

3/24/2006 11:14:07 PM

Thought I would jump in and show you what my campaign was doing today. If you didn't see us in the brickyard today then you missed some real fun...

I am Cody Williams and I just wanted to give everyone a chance to ask me anything they would like about my campaign and my issues.

As for the coupons...I thought college students liked to save money, I know I do. Definately wasn't an attempt to bribe anyone. If that is what I was going for I would at least get you some free food rather then just a coupon.

3/24/2006 11:32:09 PM

I guess the picture didn't work...oh well you can see it in my photo gallery...

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 11:33 PM. Reason : *]

3/24/2006 11:33:22 PM

This thread has again affirmed my long held belief that student government serves nobody except itself. As such it should be abolished. Can I vote for that officially?

3/24/2006 11:55:33 PM

3/25/2006 12:26:26 AM

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"i, unlike you, have actually been to ifc meetings"

That's great. Why don't you take your vast experience and explain why anything I've said is so ludicrous.

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"I think Langely will probably win with a landslide."

I wish I were so confident, but I am hopeful.

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"GrumpyGOP when your boy Langley wins, atleast suggest to him to have a look at this part of Cody's platform"

I'll see what I can do, but it ain't like I've got any sway. I know you're just yanking my chain with the "my boy" business, but stil.

I have no problem with Cody, don't get me wrong -- I agree with the spirit of his platform almost entirely. I just agree with more of the particulars in Langley's and feel that they are more realistic.

Now, moving on...

Russ1331, it appears, is a human waste of life, taking scholarship money that could be sending people to school and using it instead to "pimp his ride." I've run into far too many Parks Scholars that think that their shit doesn't stink and that they are entitled to vast sums of money for work that they might have done years ago.

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"But don't give me any of that utopian Protestant Work Ethic bullshit on "if you work hard you'll be ok." "

Wow, TGD, you're starting to sound like a sensible Republican.

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"I take all of your claims and statements as serious critical assessments of the Council that may just have a hint of personal hatred attached"

Ehehe, you, sir, are to be commended for your mastery of understatement if nothing else.

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"If you could specifically state why my statement is incorrect I'd appreciate it."

If I understand the question correctly, then the answer is from your own words:

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"Secondly, IFC is probably always going to endorse and support IFC Men specifically or any Greeks running for any number of positions"

You flat out say that you are "probably always" going to favor people affiliated with your organization (not "you" in the specific sense, but "you" as in the IFC as a whole).

Having said that, though, at least you seem reasonable, conceding the council's flaws and the fact that you thought Ayo superior to that wretched fucking cunt that did get the nod.

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"As for the coupons...I thought college students liked to save money, I know I do."

Anyone who is mad about the coupons is a twat.

Except me, 'cause I didn't get any.

3/25/2006 12:30:46 AM

cody duct taped a dude to a tree, how can Langley even hope to rival that?

I also saw a few of his pamphlet things around harrelson today so they have been given out, and theres a thread on pizza hut coupon/door brochures.

” Just give up. The election is in four days. Two of those are weekend days when nobody's going to be around campus.”

On a more serious note, it does look like his campaign is still alive and going straight up until the end. And he got a stunt in on a weekday when people were around campus.

3/25/2006 12:39:24 AM

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" I was under the impression youre not supposed to accept any other scholarships if you have the park scholarship; thats pretty much fucked up. other people could have used that money to fund their education, but instead you bought subs for your car. youre so awesome. "

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"Russ1331, it appears, is a human waste of life, taking scholarship money that could be sending people to school and using it instead to "pimp his ride." I've run into far too many Parks Scholars that think that their shit doesn't stink and that they are entitled to vast sums of money for work that they might have done years ago."

First of all your allowed to accept any and all scholarships with park..... second of all I applied for all of these scholarships and recieved all except for 1,000 from beta before I accepted park. Also, if I turned down the 1,000 for beta it would have not been sent to another student so that would be stupid. I also appreciate you for judging me and for thinking I took money from other kids. I was gauranteed 28,000 more dollars and gave it up to someone else because I knew I already had enough. ( OH YES THIS KID IS SELFISH). I also did not apply for any more scholarships and I turned down 2 other full ride scholarships on the day they were offered so that they could be given to other students. So lets see all in all I gave other kids about 128,000 dollars, 28,000 of which I could have had a straight cash in my pocket... I must be a selfish son of a bitch.


Bottom line dont talk shit unless u know what your talking about...... so both of yall can kiss my ass

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3/25/2006 12:41:04 AM

Right

And still you've got those fucking subs.

It's like Pol Pot saying, "C'mon, guys, I only killed a few hundred thousand people...compared to Hitler, that's nothing!"

Somewhere there's a kid who should have gone to school but couldn't because your car has fancy shit on it.

[Edited on March 25, 2006 at 12:44 AM. Reason : ]

3/25/2006 12:44:18 AM

I have the subs from money that only I could recieve its not like I took the money from someone else..... so what I worked for it.... it does not say you have to use the money for school....whatever is left is your money to spend... so i spent some... big deal

3/25/2006 12:47:54 AM

I'm sure that little Jimmy Smith of Bunn, who was this close to getting into school and later curing cancer but who, for lack of money, was forced instead to whittle for a living, agrees with yoru assessment.

3/25/2006 12:51:45 AM

You must be slow.... no wonder you are so bitter and didnt get scholarship money.... the only money I accepted after park is 1,000 from beta club which only I could recieve.... they announced their winners after I had my park money but my application was already in..... I asked if I returned the money would it go to another student and the response was no... they give the same number every year and if I didnt take the money it would go back to the rich ass donor.


And dont forget the 28,000 dollars I gave away that I could have had...... yea im such an ass.... i bet you would have taken it

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[Edited on March 25, 2006 at 1:07 AM. Reason : didnt wanna be mean]

3/25/2006 12:54:08 AM

With brilliant retorts like that, you get the Parks?

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"only money I accepted after park is 1,000 from beta club which only I could recieve"

I'm not buying it, but even if it's true, you're still kind of a dick to spend a charitable donation that way. But then again, I'm a little bit biased to anybody's who's the kind of asshole to soup up his car.

Incidentally, I got a few grand, but not enough that I don't have to work like a regular fucking person.

[Edited on March 25, 2006 at 12:58 AM. Reason : ]

3/25/2006 12:58:25 AM

Yup sure did.... and If you notice I said right from the start I dont care about grammer and all that when im posting on a message board. Also, if you hold spite to people who put 300 bucks into thier cars for their own enjoyment then you need a life. I was very nice from the start I was just saying that will isnt as big of a douche as people made him out to be and that if you worked you could get money. And as for if you buy it on the money or not its fine if you dont...... I dont have to prove myself to you..... also whats your comeback to me giving away 28,000 dollars.... is that selfish as well.


Oh and to TGD earlier I am also sorry you didnt get a full ride... but maybe you could look into some scholarships at school. There are alot in each department and they could possibly help you out ( just a thought).

3/25/2006 1:04:56 AM

I already made my comeback, but it involved historical references that you probably didn't understand.

3/25/2006 1:09:18 AM

Yea... im sure I didnt ....Here is an idea ... since this is only going on between me and you why dont you message me on aim and we can talk about this .... my screename is the same as on this.....

3/25/2006 1:11:14 AM

will quick joined a frat. and he will serve them and other greecians first. if you are not a greecian, do not vote for quick.

3/25/2006 1:26:11 AM

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"second of all I applied for all of these scholarships and recieved all except for 1,000 from beta before I accepted park"

no way. park comes out generally in march, which is pretty damn early for scholarships.

i know a lot of parks, my brother, for one. they refused all other scholarships after receiving the park.
even if things have changed and it's allowed, it's still a pretty fucked up thing to do. most scholarships have alternates who will receive the funds if you decline them.

and lastly, i hope you make sure to pay taxes on this extra cash, since you are taxed on scholarships exceeding tuition.

3/25/2006 2:24:22 AM

Russ, you are a first rate jackass. Regardless of what the rules ALLOW, you're not supposed to accumulate more scholarship money than you need. The Park alone leaves you with a healthy surplus. It is by definition, a full scholarship. Nothing about your behavior strikes you as unethical? There was a story in the paper around 4 years ago about a girl who was offered over $1,000,000 in various scholarships. She picked one, and turned the rest down. That's the idea, asshat. The only person that seems slow in this thread is yourself. Your posts read like a 4th grade AIM conversation. I'm embarrassed that you represent the Park Scholars, and that you're even a student at this university.

3/25/2006 10:32:08 PM

both of you need to learn that post edits take away from the effect of your "witty" responses

3/25/2006 10:38:47 PM

And that if you edit more than once, you can erase the original edit.

3/25/2006 10:41:56 PM

Laura Gail Lunsford
Park Scholars
Director

laura_lunsford@ncsu.edu

3/25/2006 11:06:41 PM