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"Later a van full of explosives occupied by Israelis was pulled over just hours after the 9/11 attacks."

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"The Bergen County Police bomb squad X-rayed packages found inside the van but did not find any explosives, authorities said."

3/31/2006 2:02:12 PM

3:

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"NOTE: My previous 9/11 thread was locked upon my request to theDuke866 because the information was too disorganized. This thread is aimed to be more blunt about 9/11, and present the best evidence proving 9/11 was a Zionist-orchestrated government inside job in a more compelling and organized fashion. And consider this thread an open challenge to any who dares to dispute these facts."

possibly 1:

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"Do you think it is impossible for the U.S. Government to attack and kill it’s own citizens and then blame it on a foreign entity in order to start war? "

1:

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"Yes. I planned out the information to present in this thread"

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"Did you see what I posted on Operation Northwoods? In the 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans to fake hijacking planes and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create the pretext for a war against Cuba. And here's another example, showing how the government is capable of perpetrating these acts: "

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"Yes. And I will provide the evidence here to conclusively prove it."

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"The government murdered nearly a hundred people at Waco, and over a hundred at Oklahoma City. They planned to do it in the 1960s with Operation Northwoods. I'd say they have a track record for this kind of thing."

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"It's of my own compilation and effort. I just prepared beforehand."

2:

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"Name-calling and smear tactics bring nothing substantive or rational to the table. Can't you debate these topics in a respectful and logical fashion?"

these are all i could fine the preceded my request for 20 sentences

i could find only 14, MAYBE 15, lines that appeared to be written by you rather than cut/copied
you even admit that your task here has been compilation


SO AGAIN I OFFER THIS:

Quote :

"theDuke866: can anyone make a case for this thread to remain unlocked (or at least unmoved to another section)?"

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:02 PM. Reason : someone check my math]

3/31/2006 2:02:15 PM

More eyewitness testimony of "flashes" and explosions just before the collapse.

Here's the testimony of Stephen Gregory, Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) from the 9/11 emergency personnel tapes released in August:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110008.PDF

Quote :

"A. ...I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been the result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down. Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was? A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me… He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too. [...] Q. On the television pictures it appeared as well, before the first collapse, that there was an explosion on the upper floors. A. I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like eye level.""

(see pp. 14-15 of PDF file for above quotes)


Reference:

More Evidence of Demolition Charges In WTC 2
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc2_cutter.html

3/31/2006 2:03:06 PM

Here's an interesting part of the story. A (mystery) caller told a 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of "Palestinians" in a white van were mixing stuff. Michael Rivero of whatreallyhappened notes that this is peculiar that the caller would specifically say Palestinians because Palestinians typically dress in western style clothes, not in "sheikh uniforms." And remember what the Israeli driver of the white van said to the police. He said "the Palestinians are the problem." This caller was most likely a co-conspirator trying to plant the seed that Arabs or Palestinians were behind the attack.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html

Quote :

"Exclusive: 911 Tapes Tell Horror Of 9/11 (Part 2) [...] Many though were looking closer to home, wondering if the terror was over, and pointing fingers. Dispatcher: Jersey City police. Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building. Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform. Dispatcher: He has what? Caller: He's dressed like an Arab."

Later, a van full of explosives was pulled over by police and at least 3 occupants arrested near the George Washington Bridge (which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel where the other van was pulled over). The identity of the occupants was not revealed in the below article, but other publications have reported that they were, in fact, Israelis. If the occupants were Arabs or Palestinians, don't you think we would have heard about this? They were Israelis, just like the occupants of the other white van.

http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/12/story23429.asp

Quote :

"Three arrested with van full of explosives TCM News Wednesday, September 12, 2001 Reports from New York are saying three people have been arrested with a van of explosives. The van was stopped along the New Jersey turn-pike near the George Washington Bridge. It was not clear why police stopped the van but when they did they found it was laden down with tonnes of explosives."

Arutz Sheva News Service/IsraelNationalNews.com reports that Israelis in white van were arrested near the George Washington Bridge
http://www.rense.com/general15/isr.htm


(Excellent) Archive Of The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html


So, to sum up. These 5 Israelis had prior knowledge of the attack (ie, they set up cameras on the towers before hand), and they were seen congratulating each other after the attacks. They had box cutters, $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. In what was most likely an attempted frame up, a caller reported a white van with "Palestinians" or "Arabs" in it. Later, another white van full of explosives was pulled over, and Israelis were again the occupants. Nothing suspicious there! No sirree Bob!

3/31/2006 2:03:15 PM

Daryl Bradford Smith interviews Ray McGovern (ex-CIA)
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsMcGovern.html

Quote :

"McGovern attacks the press. More importantly, he goes further than any high ranking government official has gone before on 9-11, and on identifying the real criminals behind our money system and our government."

Audio of interview at link.


Flashback:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-01.htm

Quote :

"Former CIA Agent Says Bush to Blame for 9/11 [...] "There might be a real or staged terrorist attack in order to postpone the elections," McGovern said. "This might seem outlandish; I hope it is." He mentioned how the Bush administration wanted to involve the country with the war in Iraq for certain reasons other than fear of weapons of mass destruction, which was just a more media-friendly explanation for the war. "I have initials for why I think we went to war in Iraq," McGovern said. "O.I.L. O-I-L, O is for oil, I is for Israel and L is for logistics, as in when we have Iraq we have a foothold and a number of bases strategically placed in the Middle East so we can be in control over there and also to protect Israel." Next he brought up civil liberties in the United States and how they have declined in the past few years. "I used to say when I was a kid growing up when someone told me not to do something, 'It's a free country,'" McGovern said. "I ask you to think about it now." "

3/31/2006 2:03:33 PM

HERES AN INTERESTING PART

YOU DON'T READ WHAT WE SAY

3/31/2006 2:03:49 PM

3/31/2006 2:04:10 PM

"9/11: Possible Motives Of The Bush Administration" by Dr. David Ray Griffin
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GRI20051202&articleId=1391

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FOX affiliate airs story on 9/11 cover up

FOX 40 of Binghamton, NY ran a 2-part story on "Loose Change", a student documentary on 9/11, alleging government involvemnent in the 9/11 attacks. The story is notable in that it did not portray these skeptics of the official story as "nuts", but was unbiased (for the most part) and allowed the skeptics to present their argument.

Here's the links to the story and video from the FOX 40 website.

Part 1 of story
http://www.wicz.com/news2005/viewarticle.asp?a=282

Part 2 of story
http://www.wicz.com/news2005/viewarticle.asp?a=291

Another source for the video of the FOX 40 "Loose Change" story
http://tree3.com/video/fox.wmv (part 1 only)

Reference source:

9/11 Story Pulled--then restored
http://www.stopthelie.com/911_story_pulled.html

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[Edited on December 5, 2005 at 12:19 PM. Reason : `]

3/31/2006 2:04:16 PM

3:

Quote :

"NOTE: My previous 9/11 thread was locked upon my request to theDuke866 because the information was too disorganized. This thread is aimed to be more blunt about 9/11, and present the best evidence proving 9/11 was a Zionist-orchestrated government inside job in a more compelling and organized fashion. And consider this thread an open challenge to any who dares to dispute these facts."

possibly 1:

Quote :

"Do you think it is impossible for the U.S. Government to attack and kill it’s own citizens and then blame it on a foreign entity in order to start war? "

1:

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"Yes. I planned out the information to present in this thread"

3:

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"Did you see what I posted on Operation Northwoods? In the 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans to fake hijacking planes and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create the pretext for a war against Cuba. And here's another example, showing how the government is capable of perpetrating these acts: "

1:

Quote :

"Yes. And I will provide the evidence here to conclusively prove it."

3:

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"The government murdered nearly a hundred people at Waco, and over a hundred at Oklahoma City. They planned to do it in the 1960s with Operation Northwoods. I'd say they have a track record for this kind of thing."

1:

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"It's of my own compilation and effort. I just prepared beforehand."

2:

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"Name-calling and smear tactics bring nothing substantive or rational to the table. Can't you debate these topics in a respectful and logical fashion?"

these are all i could fine the preceded my request for 20 sentences

i could find only 14, MAYBE 15, lines that appeared to be written by you rather than cut/copied
you even admit that your task here has been compilation


SO AGAIN I OFFER THIS:

Quote :

"theDuke866: can anyone make a case for this thread to remain unlocked (or at least unmoved to another section)?"

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:02 PM. Reason : someone check my math]

3/31/2006 2:05:25 PM

http://www.rense.com/general69/bogus.htm

Quote :

"Commercial Pilot & Aeronautical Engineer Explains Why Official 911 Story About Pentagon Is Bogus By Greg Szymanski 12-6-5 [...] "Let's look at it plain and simple," said Sagadevan in an extended telephone conference this week from his home near San Diego. "The government wants us to believe that a person who couldn't even solo a small Cessna took over the controls of a Boeing 757 jetliner and performed complicated maneuvers even myself or other experienced pilots could have never performed. "It's just not going to happen and, from my point of view, is impossible. If this was fabricated by the government so was the rest of the 9/11 story." But staying on point, Sagadevan wanted to further illustrate the absurdity of a small, inexperienced 5'8" Arab terrorist, taking over the controls of the jetliner from a burly, well-trained former military pilot. "You mean to tell me, the supposed terrorist overpowered the pilot, who weighed more than 185 lbs and trained in the military. And then after that overpowered the co-pilot in the same manner, a person who also weighed upwards of 185 lbs," said Sagadevan, emphasizing experts aren't needed to explain the absurdity of this portion of the government story. "I am not sure if anyone has been in the cockpit of one of one of these big jets, but I will tell you there isn't much space. How in the world would one man pull out two big pilots in cramped quarters while, at the same time, maintaining control of the airliner. Again, it's just not going to happen. "In the beginning right after 9/11, like most people, I believed most of what I heard about 9/11, not really giving much thought to a government conspiracy. However, about a year ago when I began gathering information related to my expertise as an aeronautical engineer and pilot, I began to see clearly how the government story regarding the four flights, their paths and their pilots didn't make sense. "Now I am firmly convinced after looking at an enormous amount of evidence, as well as using well-establishing aviation principles, that something else crashed into the Pentagon since it couldn't have been a commercial jetliner." Besides calling attention to the impossibility of a untrained pilot performing complex flight maneuvers and navigation, Sagadevan said the flight path taken near the Pentagon was also impossible for a large jetliner to perform without crashing before reaching the Pentagon. "First of all, the supposed pilot would have been overwhelmed just looking at the complexity of the cockpit dash board and the computerized controls," said Sagadevan. "He would have had no idea what to do, but we are led to believe that he was able to turn the jet around, head back to Washington D.C. and then bank at high speeds and at a low altitude, hitting a target which would have looked as small as thimble from the air. Again, it's impossible and you don't really need an expert to make this final determination." Sagadevan was quick to point out one of the main problems with the government story is the low trajectory of the airplane, flying at high speeds and roughly only 20 feet off the ground for a long distance, another impossibility defying the standard principles of aviation. "The evidence indicates that the airplane was flying low before it reached the Pentagon lawn since several light poles were sheared off several hundred yards away form the building," explained Sagadevan. "With that in mind, the plane was traveling at about 400 knots at about 20 feet off the ground for a long distance prior to hitting the Pentagon. "This in itself is an impossibility in itself since the airplane would have been forced to the ground well before hitting the Pentagon. No pilot in the world would have been able to control the plane while maintained that air speed at 20 feet off the ground for that long a distance. Again, it's just impossible but here I will admit that an expert is needed in order to explain the standards of lift and drag associated with flying a large airliner." From the beginning of the supposed hijacking of Flight [77] and to its eventual crash into the Pentagon wall, Sagadevan presents a compelling case, essentially cruising the official story. "I really don't understand how anyone could give the government's story any credibility after seeing the original pictures taken of the small hole left in the Pentagon wall by whatever flew into it," said Sagadevan. "I am not totally sure what the military used but one thing for sure, it wasn't a 757 jetliner." Sagadevan is referring to the tiny circumference of the hole left in the Pentagon wall, illustrated on pictures taken right after the crash scene, but immediately taken out of circulation and never widely distributed by the news media to the American people. "I think if someone just looks at the hole left and then looks at the size of 757, experts aren't needed to determine it was an impossibility that a big jet hit the Pentagon wall, especially when there was very little wreckage visible after the crash," added Sagadevan. Regarding the Pentagon crash, as Sagadevan aptly points out, there are "so many holes in the story" that it becomes, as the English say, rather a laughing matter, making one believe even the bungling Inspector Clouseau, made famous by Peter Sellers, could crack the case wide open if given half a chance."

3/31/2006 2:05:42 PM

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:07 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2006 2:06:35 PM

MORE ON ISRAELI & MOSSAD SPIES/AGENTS IN AMERICA IN CONNECTION WITH THE 9/11 ATTACKS

Up to 200 Israelis were arrested after 9/11 on suspected connection to the 9/11 attacks, but they were ordered to be quietly released shortly thereafter by certain high-level officials in the federal government. Other Israeli nationals in white vans or vehicles and with ties to front "moving companies" were spotted or arrested in other parts of the country. No real investigations were conducted. And barely any mention in the mainstream media. And everyone else should just forget about it too. There's only one story. The official story. It was bin Laden and his band of bad guys. It was the Arabs and muslims. Remember, the FEDS had the case "solved" within hours of the attack. That's the story. Case closed. On to invading Afghanista, Iraq, and the war against Islam.

Shortly after 9/11, Carl Cameron of Fox News conducted a 4 part series investigating Israeli spying in America. Fox News uncovered evidence of a massive Israeli spy ring inside the United States. They reported that around 200 Israelis had been arrested or detained in connection with 9/11, and that these Israelis had information about the 9/11 attacks that was not passed on to the American government.

Wouldn't it be nice if this series had aired widely and been followed up so the American people could know about this vital information? Well, there's a problem. Not long after the report was produced, Carl Cameron and Fox came under fire from certain groups and individuals. Subsequently, Fox News pulled the transcriptions of the reports off its web site, saying that “this story no longer exists.” The story has been killed, and virtually no other follow ups on this explosive story have been made. Luckily, some people taped these reports and saved the transcripts.

You can watch the report and read the transcripts here (although the video does not seem to be working for me, only the audio works):

FOX News 4 Part Series on Israeli Spying in America
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm


"Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide."

-- Carl Cameron, as quoted in "The Spies Who Came In From The Art Sale"


"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

-- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11.


This is the way certain information is kept secret. If it's information they don't want you to know about the Feds just say "this is classified" (suggesting that it is "vital to national security"). Also, they may say that the information is "related to intelligence" and is therefore "classified." As reported in the ABC/commondreams article above, the case of the 5 Israeli Mossad agents arrested after 9/11 was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section.

The Israeli Spy Ring Archive
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

Read this excellent article for a comprehensive overview of Israeli/Mossad/Zionist involvement in 9/11:

STRANGER THAN FICTION: AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF 9-11 AND THE WAR ON TERRORISM
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

3/31/2006 2:06:51 PM

3:

Quote :

"NOTE: My previous 9/11 thread was locked upon my request to theDuke866 because the information was too disorganized. This thread is aimed to be more blunt about 9/11, and present the best evidence proving 9/11 was a Zionist-orchestrated government inside job in a more compelling and organized fashion. And consider this thread an open challenge to any who dares to dispute these facts."

possibly 1:

Quote :

"Do you think it is impossible for the U.S. Government to attack and kill it’s own citizens and then blame it on a foreign entity in order to start war? "

1:

Quote :

"Yes. I planned out the information to present in this thread"

3:

Quote :

"Did you see what I posted on Operation Northwoods? In the 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans to fake hijacking planes and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create the pretext for a war against Cuba. And here's another example, showing how the government is capable of perpetrating these acts: "

1:

Quote :

"Yes. And I will provide the evidence here to conclusively prove it."

3:

Quote :

"The government murdered nearly a hundred people at Waco, and over a hundred at Oklahoma City. They planned to do it in the 1960s with Operation Northwoods. I'd say they have a track record for this kind of thing."

1:

Quote :

"It's of my own compilation and effort. I just prepared beforehand."

2:

Quote :

"Name-calling and smear tactics bring nothing substantive or rational to the table. Can't you debate these topics in a respectful and logical fashion?"

these are all i could fine the preceded my request for 20 sentences

i could find only 14, MAYBE 15, lines that appeared to be written by you rather than cut/copied
you even admit that your task here has been compilation


SO AGAIN I OFFER THIS:

Quote :

"theDuke866: can anyone make a case for this thread to remain unlocked (or at least unmoved to another section)?"

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:02 PM. Reason : someone check my math]

3/31/2006 2:06:59 PM

tell us salisburyboy

how do you feel about black people?

what do you think their role is in the Zionist conspiracy?

3/31/2006 2:07:18 PM

MORE ON ISRAELI & MOSSAD CONNECTION WITH THE 9/11 ATTACKS

Israel and the Mossad are noted for their ability to impersonate and frame Arabs in "false flag" attacks (ie, where the Mossad carries out a "terrorist" attack and blames it on Arabs). Remember what happened in the 1967 attack on the U.S.S. Liberty? Israel intentionally attacked the U.S. ship (knowing full well it was a U.S. ship...ie, with the American flag flying prominently, etc.) and was trying to sink it and kill everyone on board and then blame it on Egypt.


http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_26_01/U_S__Army_Officers_Say___Mossa/u_s__army_officers_say___mossa.html

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"U.S. Army Officers Say: 'Mossad May Blame Arabs' Exclusive To American Free Press By Michael Collins Piper Top U.S. Army analysts believe Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, is "ruthless and cunning," "a wildcard" that "has [the] capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." This eye-opening assertion about America's supposed closest ally was reported in a front page story in The Washington Times on September 10-just one day before the terrorist attacks in America that are being blamed on "Arabs." The Times reported that this serious charge by U.S. Army officers against the Israelis appeared in a 68-page paper prepared by 60 officers at the U.S. Army's School for Advanced Military Studies, a training ground for up-and-coming Army officers."

FBI director Muller publicly admits that there is no evidence linking the named 9-11 hijackers:
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech041902.htm

Quote :

"The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper – either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere – that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot."

Note the significance of that admission. Not one piece of paper. Not one shred of evidence of any "al Qaeda" terrorist plotting the 9/11 attacks.


The true perpetrators of 9/11 used skillfully made fake IDs with identities stolen from Arab men:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/21/inv.id.theft/

Quote :

"Expert: Hijackers likely skilled with fake IDs September 21, 2001 By Daniel Sieberg CNN (CNN) -- FBI Director Robert Mueller has acknowledged that some of those behind last week's terror attacks may have stolen the identification of other people, and, according to at least one security expert, it may have been "relatively easy" based on their level of sophistication."

Remember that at least 7 of the 19 men originally identified as "the hijackers" actually turned out to be alive after 9/11. So, the real perpetrators of 9/11 used fake IDs and tried to frame Arabs. Wonder who would want to do that?

3/31/2006 2:08:20 PM

it's funny.

theduke866 says his basis for allowing this bullshit to continue is that salisburyboy believes the horseshit he posts.

so basically, if somebody came up in his home and started calling him a fucking pussy ass faggot, controlled by mind control devices by the evil homosexual elite, he'd allow it to continue AS LONG AS THEY BELIEVED IT.

amazing.

3/31/2006 2:12:47 PM

i don't understand your logic

you talking about salisbury's home?

3/31/2006 2:13:56 PM

duke's

he's the mod. this is his house, right?

3/31/2006 2:14:16 PM

yeah

this is the internet, not someone's home

you need to go outside or something

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2006 2:15:18 PM

same premise.

3/31/2006 2:15:43 PM

honestly

wtf

3/31/2006 2:15:51 PM

yeah, you're equating this place with a "home"

you're starting to mix fantasy with reality

you might want to get off the internet for a while

3/31/2006 2:16:44 PM

i mean that has to be the point, or else he'd allow everyone else to post bat-shit crazy stuff.

but it's ok for salisbury because he believes it.

^ look dickhole, he makes the rules in here, like he would at home.

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:18 PM. Reason : *]

3/31/2006 2:18:05 PM

Quote :

"it's funny. theduke866 says his basis for allowing this bullshit to continue is that salisburyboy believes the horseshit he posts."

It is completely ridiculous the lengths you crybabies will apparantly go in order to try to silence me. I have done absolutely nothing to deserve being suspended even once. Anyone can see that I am trying to have respectful and serious discussions on important issues.

Yet, you and some others think my views are too "extreme" or "unpopular" to apparantly give me the right to speak my views here. Why is that? Why do you want to silence me? If my views are just "kooky", what's the harm in that?

Right now, I am restricted to creating one thread per week. And this is not enough for you who want to censor me? Can you not deal with me being able to post in just a few threads?

It is my opponents who are flaming me, intentionally messing up my threads, and causing chaos like whining little bitches (eg, cheese threads) to try to silence me. If anyone deserves to be suspended, it is those who have done those things.


"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer and impossible to ignore. The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used against them -- except force."

--JBR Yant

3/31/2006 2:18:35 PM

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[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:19 PM. Reason : maybe i see the point now]

3/31/2006 2:18:40 PM

don't call me a dickhole

shut-in

3/31/2006 2:19:30 PM

^ oh yeah?

cheese? there was a weekly cheese thread created and i got banned for that.

jonhguth had his reptile people thread gutted and then locked.

3/31/2006 2:19:32 PM

take a typing class

3/31/2006 2:20:11 PM

U.S. GOVERNMENT HAD PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF JAPANESE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR AND ALLOWED IT TO OCCUR TO DRAW AMERICA INTO WORLD WAR II

As we all know, the United States was drawn into WWII by the attack on Pearl Harbor. The U.S. put Japan into a situation where they had to attack the U.S. Pacific fleet, and the U.S. government and military knew that Japan was planning an attack on the U.S. Pacific Fleet. The elite engineered and allowed the attack to occur. They needed it to create U.S. public support for entering the war. The History Channel has even aired programming documenting that the U.S. government had prior knowledge of the attack.

Documentation:

Topeka Capital-Journal: "FDR knew attack was coming"
http://web.archive.org/web/20040223032130/http://www.cjonline.com/stories/120601/pea_fdrknew.shtml

The BBC made a documentary, which asserts that the U.S. government allowed the attack at Pearl Harbor to occur. The entire video can be watched online here:

BBC Documentary: "Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor" (video)
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/sacrificeatpearlharbor.ram

NY Press: "FDR Knew It Was Coming"
http://www.nypress.com/14/23/news&columns/wildjustice.cfm

Newsmax: "Unlike George W. Bush, FDR Had Specific Warnings"
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/13/94615.shtml

Naval History Magazine: "Advance Warning? The Red Cross Connection"
http://web.archive.org/web/20040214031115/http://www.usni.org/navalhistory/Articles99/NHborgquist.htm

The McCollum Memo: The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/index.html

whatreallyhappened.com's Pearl Harbor Archive
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

prisonplanet.com's Pearl Harbor Archive
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#harbor

"Pearl Harbor Historiography: A Lesson in Academic Housecleaning"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north26.html

"December 7, 1941: A Setup from the Beginning"
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=103

Yamamoto's radio message intercepted in Hawaii on Nov. 24th: attack on Pearl Harbor was NOT a total surprise
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SH.html

3/31/2006 2:20:34 PM

3/31/2006 2:22:23 PM

Quote :

"Anyone can see that I am trying to have respectful and serious discussions on important issues."

NO. you cut and paste and never have any sort of rational discussion about your bullshit.

Quote :

"And this is not enough for you who want to censor me?"

the point is different rules for you versus everybody else.

either your shit is too fucked up to allow or it's not. either you need to be allowed to go to town with whatever you want or everyone else should be allowed to do the same shit you do.

the idea that your shit is ok in a small dose simply because you believe it, and that other similar threads from other users is not ok because it can be divined that they don't believe it, is bullshit.

in reality, your shit IS way too fucked up to keep allowing.

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:25 PM. Reason : *]

3/31/2006 2:22:38 PM

duke has a point though

as messed up as salisbury's line of thought is

he is by no means alone in it

3/31/2006 2:23:50 PM

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"duke has a point though as messed up as salisbury's line of thought is he is by no means alone in it"

Of course I'm not. An August 2004 Zogby poll found that half of New York City residents believed the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks. The recent CNN Poll in response to the Charlie Sheen comments showed that that 83% of people (out of over 50,000 votes) agreed with Charlie Sheen "that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks."

And even the MSM is starting to admit that there are serious problems with the official story. Village Voice, for example, questioned whether WTC Building 7 and the twin towers collapsed due to controlled demolitions.

Questioning the official story is now going mainstream. More people don't believe the official story than you may think.


MORE EXAMPLES OF MAINSTREAM MEDIA ADDRESSING PROBLEMS WITH OFFICIAL STORY

In response to Charlie Sheen's recent comments questioning the official 9/11 story, CNN's Showbiz Tonight interviewed talk show host and 9/11 documentary filmmaker Alex Jones (the talk show host who interviewed Sheen). Alex discusses some of the main problems with the official 9/11 story and flatly states that 9/11 was a government inside job. This was a watershed moment, because it was one of the first times the mainstream media allowed a discussion of the 9/11 cover-up to that degree, and certainly one of the first times a major news network interviewed Alex Jones in that manner. Alex did a great job at getting the word out concerning the truth about 9/11.

See the interview at link below. The entire clip is only around 11 minutes long.
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/ShowbizTonight20060323/ShowbizTonight20060323.wmv

A CNN QuickVote Poll showed that 83% of people (out of over 50,000 votes) agreed with Charlie Sheen "that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/240306pollshows.htm

Other examples:

BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones Exposes Controlled Demolition of WTC on MSNBC with Tucker Carlson
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10053445/


FOX 40 of Binghamton, NY ran a 2-part story on "Loose Change", a documentary on 9/11 alleging government involvement in the 9/11 attacks and a cover-up of what really happened. The FOX affiliate story is notable in that it did not portray these skeptics of the official story as "nuts", but was unbiased (for the most part) and allowed the skeptics to present their argument.

The links to the story and video from the FOX 40 website:

Part 1 of story
http://www.wicz.com/news2005/viewarticle.asp?a=282

Part 2 of story
http://www.wicz.com/news2005/viewarticle.asp?a=291


[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ``````]

3/31/2006 2:28:18 PM

Worth posting again in case some of you missed it...

Carefully read these comments from George W. Bush:

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"The hijackers were instruments of evil who died in vain. Behind them is a cult of evil which seeks to harm the innocent and thrives on human suffering. Theirs is the worst kind of cruelty, the cruelty that is fed, not weakened, by tears. Theirs is the worst kind of violence, pure malice, while daring to claim the authority of God. We cannot fully understand the designs and power of evil. It is enough to know that evil, like goodness, exists. And in the terrorists, evil has found a willing servant.” –George W. Bush, October 11, 2002, in remarks made at the Pentagon at the U.S. Department of Defense's service of remembrance"

Bush wasn't talking about some muslim "cult of evil" in the carefully crafted comments above. He was subtly hinting at the true perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and throwing it in our face. Now, who is this "cult of evil" he was talking about?


More from puppet in chief Bush:

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""We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty." George W. Bush speaking before the United Nations General Assembly, 11/10/2001"

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 3:14 PM. Reason : ```````]

3/31/2006 3:06:45 PM

RELIGIOUS TERRORIST NUTBAGS

3/31/2006 3:11:09 PM

OH HERE WE GO

THE LOLNUMINATI

3/31/2006 3:12:18 PM

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"Bush wasn't talking about some muslim "cult of evil" in the carefully crafted comments above. He was subtly hinting at the true perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and throwing it in our face."

I really wish that you could back that up with something.

3/31/2006 3:14:09 PM

3/31/2006 3:14:14 PM

Excellent response to the “conspiracy theory” smear tactic:

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"What is "theory" and what is fact? In the absence of a full confession, this can only be decided by a preponderance of evidence, and it would be silly to come to a conclusion on any matter without looking at all the evidence available. This is only common sense, just as it is safe to assume some degree of guilt or complicity on the part of anyone who lies about an event, or tries to hide, plant, or destroy any type of evidence. Conspiracy theories arise from evidence. After the government releases an explanation of a particular event, a conspiracy theory is only born because evidence exists to disprove their explanation, or at least call it into question. There's nothing insane about it, unless you define sanity as believing whatever the government tells you. In light of the fact that our government lies to us regularly, I would define believing everything they tell you as utter stupidity. The real question is not why people theorize about conspiracies, but why people choose to believe the government's version of events when it's obvious that they're lying. One reason is that most people never see the evidence because our "news" industry hides it, and another reason is that the same news industry will quickly associate anyone who questions the government with the people who see Elvis, Bigfoot, and UFO's. But sadly, I think the main reason people choose to believe the government's version of events despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is because it's easier, and safer. If you ignore most of the evidence, and accept as plausible whatever ridiculous explanation the T.V. provides, your life remains simple, and you get to sit on your ass and watch more T.V. If on the other hand, you pluck your head from that same ass and realize you've been lied to, as a citizen in a democratic society, you're instantly burdened with being responsible for doing something about it. Source: http://www.netctr.com/911exposed.html"

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."

-- J. Edgar Hoover


Or rather, doesn't want to believe exists...because believing the lies is easier.


[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 3:21 PM. Reason : ````````]

3/31/2006 3:20:49 PM

yes, i'm sure you have to work real hard to convince yourself "normal" is the lie

thats why you constantly have to dig through sites like prisonplanet to get your constant affirmation that the shit you babble is right

3/31/2006 3:23:46 PM

You guys want to hear about the wackiest "conspiracy theory" of them all?

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"DEBUNKING CONSPIRACY THEORISTS Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one, often several wild conspiracy theories that spring up around it. "The CIA killed Hendrix", " The Pope had John Lennon murdered ", "Hitler was half Werewolf", "Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone" etc., etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it. So it’s hardly surprising that the events of Sept 11 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is - sadly - a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis. One of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11, and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs, is that it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they "hate our freedoms." Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the Internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell. Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories. These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush regime was caught unawares by the attacks, had no hand in organizing them, and actually would have stopped them if it had been able. Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider trading on airline stocks - linked to the CIA, the complicit behaviour of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly 2 hours, crashing them into important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do. The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more preposterous stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus the tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions. It's difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated stupidity, but that is the task, which I take on in this article. [...]"

Read the rest of the article too. Good stuff.

3/31/2006 3:28:02 PM

IT ALMOST GOT ME ODELL
A PIECE OF THE TIP ALMOST GOT ME

until i saw this bolded beauty

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"the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks"

A PIECE OF THE TIP ALMOST GOT ME

3/31/2006 3:29:25 PM

I submit that salisbury boy is the most elaborate troll ever to grace the internets. I mean honestly, this is funny stuff. He got all ya all all in a tizzy, it is straight-up hillarious. Kudos the boy. Continue your vomit fest of nonsense.

3/31/2006 3:29:30 PM

people know this guy IRL

this is him

this is not trolling

apparently he's really this crazy/racist

3/31/2006 3:31:40 PM

*GOD* is "crazy" and "racist"

3/31/2006 3:32:50 PM

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"I submit that salisbury boy is the most elaborate troll ever to grace the internets. "

I'm not a troll. I'm absolutely 100% serious in my belief that 9/11 was an inside job. People who've seen me post for years know this well. And probably around 1/2 the country now agrees with this view, so it's not like I'm espousing completely off the wall opinions.

3/31/2006 3:34:13 PM

90% of all statistics are bullshit

3/31/2006 3:35:45 PM

FYI, theres a difference between 50% thinking that the US is hiding something and 50% thinking that 9/11 was a zionist-orchestrated government inside job.

3/31/2006 3:36:11 PM

and ps

theres a difference between 50% of the nation

and 50% percent of voters in a CNN online poll
many of whom were probably directed to it by sites that cater to your type of thinking

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 3:37 PM. Reason : `]

3/31/2006 3:37:30 PM

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"theres a difference between 50% of the nation and 50% percent of voters in a CNN online poll"

Ok, what do you make of this?

August 2004 Zogby poll finds that half of New York City residents believed the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

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"Released: August 30, 2004 Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5."

3/31/2006 3:39:32 PM