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"He's gone, guys. Forget it."

how the fuck do you know?

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"rumors and bullshit"

4/11/2006 1:38:27 PM

NOOOOOOO

4/11/2006 1:38:47 PM

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"how the fuck do you know?"

Because this is N.C. State.

4/11/2006 1:42:43 PM

i will care about this a ton more if we dont get calipari

4/11/2006 1:43:30 PM

^^FUCK YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT

4/11/2006 1:44:28 PM

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"Considered a virtual lock first rounder, Simmons is seen by scouts to have a good chance to be a lottery pick with positive workouts."

by Aran Smith?


Ced is not a lock first rounder or a likely lottery pick! If he was, I'd be the first one to support him going pro. I just hope he is very careful who he takes advice from before making an irreversible decision (i.e. sign with an agent or take money).


And taking up a collection for his family violates NCAA rules...so that is not viable. I just hope they can "get by" for one more year until Ced and the family can count on a substantial payoff.

4/11/2006 1:46:30 PM

that's what welfare and disability are for, am I right?

4/11/2006 1:47:39 PM

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"rumors and bullshit"

Hey man give me some credit. You got that from me.

4/11/2006 1:48:44 PM

^haha, and i use it all over the place

i give you mad props

4/11/2006 1:51:57 PM

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"Mr Grace All American 7074 Posts user info edit post crap simmons is gonna leave us for the nba like this 11/30/2005 9:57:51 PM"

4/11/2006 1:58:11 PM

btw....how is this a weak draft with guys like tyrus thomas and lamarcus aldridge in the draft?

4/11/2006 2:06:13 PM

Holy shit?? Tyrus Thomas and Lamarcus Aldridge are in the draft??? Strongest draft EVAR!!!

You're kidding right?? When Rajan Rondo is a late lottery pick to mid first rounder...you have a weak draft. When Adam Morrison is a top 5 pick, you have a weak draft. When Josh Boone is a mid-first rounder...you have a weak draft.

It's a weak ass draft with very few "proven" players. Lot's of "potential" in this draft (as there always is...but A LOT in this year's draft).

4/11/2006 2:20:16 PM

potential is what the NBA is all about...dwight howard was #1 a year ago, right outta high school, and now he's 2nd in the league in rebounding...so shut it

its not weak in terms of big men

4/11/2006 2:25:10 PM

^^ Very true. A strong draft was LeBron, Melo, Wade, Bosh. Darko fucked it up some. This year's draft looks very weak IMO.

[Edited on April 11, 2006 at 2:25 PM. Reason : ^]

4/11/2006 2:25:21 PM

1. Akeem Olajuwon Houston Houston
2. Sam Bowie Kentucky Portland
3. Michael Jordan North Carolina Chicago
4. Sam Perkins North Carolina Dallas
5. Charles Barkley Auburn Philadelphia


Ummm.....yea.

4/11/2006 2:28:09 PM

^weak man.

that was a completely different era.

4/11/2006 2:28:43 PM

You mean when the top players in the draft actually panned out?

4/11/2006 2:29:57 PM

no, i mean when players stayed in college or attended college at all....you knew what i meant

4/11/2006 2:30:36 PM

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"potential is what the NBA is all about"

And that's why Ced can go pretty high.

This is a weak draft.

4/11/2006 2:30:58 PM

^not for big men.

4/11/2006 2:32:05 PM

Ced is an idiot he needs a coach RIGHT NOW who will tell him not to be a dumbass and DO NOT HIRE AN AGENT!

4/11/2006 2:47:59 PM

Alright...let's set this straight. Ced is 6'9" (but plays a lot bigger with that wingspan). So let's compare him to the rest of the big men in the draft.

- Lamarcus Aldrige (6'11" 245lbs): 15 pts, 9 rebs, 2 blks, 33 min/game

- Tyrus Thomas (6'9" 218lbs): 12 pts, 9 rebs, 3 blks, 26 min/game

- Josh McRoberts (6'10" 240lbs): 8 pts, 5 rebs, 1.3 blks, 25 min/game

- Cedric Simmons (6'9" 233lbs): 12 pts, 6 rebs, 2.5 blks, 27 min/game

- Hilton Armstrong (6'11" 235lbs): 9 pts, 6 rebs, 3 blks, 28 min/game

- Shelden Williams (no explanation needed)

- Josh Boone (6'10" 237lbs): 10 pts, 7 rebs, 2 blks, 27 min/game


And I'm just going to stop there. That's a list of the big men expected to go in the 1st round. I mean really...what really separates those guys from Cedric Simmons (other than Shelden Williams)??? His rebound numbers are a little low, but teams are smart enough to know that's in part due to our offense and Cedric being at the 3-point line all the time.

This year's draft is weak...for guards, for big men, for anybody. It's shitty ass draft.

4/11/2006 2:49:19 PM

If Simmons does leave, we'll be in SERIOUS trouble next year. With Brackman likely not coming back due to baseball, we're looking at McCauley playing Center and not having really anyone to back-him up.

4/11/2006 3:06:00 PM

^^i was gonna list them all out, but I'm glad you did instead.

that's a pretty solid big men group, just cause there's no Shaq or Timmy D, you call that weak?

hahahahah, you know nothing.

you said it yourself, potential, the first 4 were either freshman or soph's this year.

[Edited on April 11, 2006 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2006 3:08:59 PM

Good lord. Don't you understand??? There is one dominant big man in the draft...Shelden Williams...and he'll probably be one of the weakest pros out of all of them. None of the rest of the guys average over 15 points!!!

There is barely anything separating Ced from the other big men in the first round. He probably has more potential than most of them with that freakish wingspan and athletic ability. And big men are premiums in the NBA. Good guards are all over the place. NBA teams kill for a solid big man.

Which means....Ced has a good chance of going in the first round while averaging 12 points and 6 rebounds for a 10 seed team in the NCAA tournament. If that doesn't show you that this year is a weak draft for big men and well as overall...then you are just fucking dumb.

4/11/2006 3:15:48 PM

give me a break dude.

we can play the "dominant by the numbers" game all day.

what did d. howard average in college again? that's right. what about villanueva? man, sean may was pretty dominant in college, how about in the pros?

dominance in college rarely translates to dominance in the pros these days.

4/11/2006 3:25:51 PM

And your point is??

I still only see a couple of those guys actually being really good big men in the NBA. Williams will be solid. Josh Boone sucks. McRoberts could be good, but it's not 100% he's even gone. Hilton Armstrong put those numbers up as a senior.

Lamarcus Aldridge looks like the only Villanueva/Dwight Howard type player on there. Tyrus Thomas has a chance. That's it. You've got two or three potential really good big men and that's it. I still don't see how this is a good big man draft.

4/11/2006 3:32:59 PM

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"dominance in college rarely translates to dominance in the pros these days."

true. but it doesn't hurt your nba draft stock.

4/11/2006 3:34:49 PM

^^and my point is........right above your question you dope.

4/11/2006 3:44:43 PM

I'm done with arguing to this dumb fucking brick wall after this post. But your comments don't prove that it's a strong draft. There are like 2 potential star big men in this class and a bunch of really big maybes. How does that make it a strong draft?? You're not giving any proof. All you are saying is..."college dominance doesn't equal NBA greatness." What the fuck does that have to do with the the strength of this particular draft?? "I'm glad there aren't 20 amazing college big men in this draft...because that would make it weak"??? Huh??

4/11/2006 4:47:11 PM

[Edited on April 11, 2006 at 4:48 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2006 4:48:05 PM

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"I'm done with arguing...after this post"

hahaha, we'll see buddy.

i see 4 potential stars, but really, they are all maybes. and that list doesn't include big boy from Bradley, O'Bryant...he's got a chance to be solid

once again:

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"just cause there's no Shaq or Timmy D, you call that weak?"

4/11/2006 4:57:12 PM

http://nbadraft.net/draftbuzz053.asp

bye bye ced

[Edited on April 11, 2006 at 6:05 PM. Reason : he gone]

4/11/2006 5:55:35 PM

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"what about villanueva? man, sean may was pretty dominant in college, how about in the pros? "

wait

you just named two really good college players who have had very good rookie season

dwight howard absolutely dominated people in HS.

if this draft isnt weak, name a clear cut #1 pick this year

b/c there isnt one

4/11/2006 6:00:22 PM

he gone.

4/11/2006 6:04:07 PM

weak ass draft, making ced leave

4/11/2006 6:07:33 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE ARE SCREWED

4/11/2006 6:08:48 PM

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"this thread title should read: "Cedric Leaning Towrads Failure""

4/11/2006 6:09:21 PM

life = over

4/11/2006 6:09:46 PM

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"really good college players"

could villanueva be considered a really good college player? i'd say average. and may's rookie season was average at best, even before he was hurt.

the fact that there is no clear number one in a way enforces that its not a weak draft because of so much parity in talent

i'm not saying its a really strong draft, but its not weak either.

que: jbrick coming out of the woodwork again.

4/11/2006 6:11:19 PM

kidnap his dad and hold him hostage

4/11/2006 6:12:20 PM

Aldridge - top 5, possibly #1
Thomas - likely top 10(better defender than Simmons)
McRoberts - seen a lot of top 5, perhaps top 10 to low-ball it
Shelden Williams - before Cedric

Aldridge, Thomas, and McRoberts will all be taken because of potential, Williams will go because of proven talent. Those are 4 big men that will go before Cedric Simmons.

Simmons will likely be in the NBDL for 2-3 years now instead of sticking it out here and becoming a much better player before leaving. Simmons is ROUGH raw talent that will take a few years just to shape into anything the NBA can use.

I understand he is in a bad financial situation and I'll hope the best for him in the future, but I really think leaving this year is a mistake.

4/11/2006 6:29:10 PM

Villanueva was average in college.

If you don't remember that far back (i mean it was all the way back to last year, jeez who could remember that), then I will remind you that sean may was the most dominant player in college for the last half of his junior year. I mean, he had like 27pts and 24reb against duke.

^which is tougher competition, NBDL or College (ACC)? not a rhetorical question I would really like to know.

[Edited on April 11, 2006 at 6:30 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2006 6:29:36 PM

4/11/2006 6:30:56 PM

Wait, someone is arguing this isn't a weak draft class?


Really?



I hope that's a nice island you're standing on.

4/11/2006 6:36:52 PM

draft is definitely weak

CEDRIC LEANING TOWARDS NBA?

DOESNT HAVE TO LEAN THAT FAR WITH THE 7'4" WINGSPAN!

AHAHHA

4/11/2006 6:37:49 PM

4^He'll get more attention and be seen more on the collegiate level.

As far as competition, I'd actually say being in the ACC, that the collegiate level would be better.

I mean he's going to be going up against some of the better big men in the nation playing in the ACC, a lot of who will go straight to the NBA. The NBDL is full of talent who aren't quite good enough for the NBA and are too old to be in college. So I'd say better talent will be found at the collegiate level. I mean if McRoberts stays he'll go up against him for a couple of years, then there is Hansbrough over at UNC who will be there a while for him to go up against.

Better experience = college
Better competition = college
Better money = leave

And it seems this is entirely about the money.

[Edited on April 11, 2006 at 6:41 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on April 11, 2006 at 6:41 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2006 6:40:41 PM

wow I just realized he really is going

NCSU b-ball is done for quite awhile...good time to graduate I suppose!

4/11/2006 10:22:56 PM

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"Sources told NBADraft.net Tuesday that North Carolina State bigman Cedric Simmons will declare for the draft and sign with agent Bill Duffy. No word on when the announcement will be made, but it appears imminent. Simmons is one of the most athletic bigmen in the country. His agility and quickness in transition make him a tremendous prospect. Considered a virtual lock first rounder, Simmons is seen by scouts to have a good chance to be a lottery pick with positive workouts. He's still raw offensively, but is showing nice touch around the basket and improved offensive skills to go along with his tremendous athleticism, rebounding and defense. Simmons averaged 11.8 points and 6.3 rebounds as a sophomore. His statistics were limited by minutes (27 per game) and NC State's conservative offensive style. Cedric finished the year with 2.5 blocks per game and will be a presence on the defensive end on the next level with his great timing and 7'4" wingspan. This is turning into a huge year for Duffy as he has already landed Marcus Williams, Rajon Rondo, Marco Killingsworth, Allen Ray, Paul Davis, Brandon Bowman, Nik Caner-Medley, Vincent Grier and now Simmons. "

for anyone who missed this....the whole agent thing kinda fucks us.

4/11/2006 11:00:42 PM

http://ncstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=533638

He is not signing an agent.

4/11/2006 11:05:03 PM