Quote :

"you think after offering up $2mil + salaries PER YEAR we'd shy away from a $1.5mil buyout?"

I hope we don't throw this kind of money at this guy. It would just look dumb to throw a lot of money at a guy who has sucked in his last two jobs.

4/18/2006 10:56:56 AM

well one of those jobs was the NBA, which doesn't mean shit.

if anything, the fact that he held a NBA HC position for almost 4 years is a positive.

4/18/2006 10:58:12 AM

flood control

[Edited on April 18, 2006 at 10:59 AM. Reason : .]

4/18/2006 10:59:00 AM

what it comes down to is that NCSU officials know more than we do for the most part.

they are going to end up picking someone who at least part of the fanbase will disagree with, but hopefully support. that support will begin to crumble with the first NCAA tournament miss. eventually the coach will be forced out for another "worthy" coach.

rinse and repeat.

4/18/2006 11:00:27 AM

Apparently his personality is even more bleh then Sendek..

Whatever. I'm done caring. Lets just get a coach and move on..

4/18/2006 11:00:36 AM

yeah i've heard that about the personality as well... not really sure what to expect

4/18/2006 11:03:33 AM

I just cant get excited about this guy, regardless of the "accomplishments" and recognition he may have. We need someone that can generate excitement about the program and pull the fanbase back together. Barnes and Calipari may have been the only guys that could have done that, but I think any of the other names that have been mentioned would get much better support than Kruger will. This fanbase has been divided for too fucking long, and even though I liked Herb I felt that at least his leaving would lead to us having a coach that everyone could get behind (at least for a few years hopefully), but if we do get this guy I cant imagine us making it to the end of the season without the Fire Kruger crowd as big or bigger than the Fire Herb crowd.

4/18/2006 11:05:29 AM

Quote :

"if anything, the fact that he held a NBA HC position for almost 4 years is a positive. "

That means absolutely dick when your career winning percentage for Atlanta wass %36 and your best record was 33 - 49.

4/18/2006 11:06:04 AM

This will fucking suck.

4/18/2006 11:06:37 AM

haha...you gotta love pack fans.

4/18/2006 11:07:37 AM

^^^yet he still held the job making millions.

you think the NBA just hires whichever college coach they can find? obviously they saw something in him.

[Edited on April 18, 2006 at 11:08 AM. Reason : ]

4/18/2006 11:08:00 AM

any coaches we get with more "personality" will be from small conferences or will be extremely unproven.

he's at least a safe hire, and at best one that could win us the ACC sometime.

some of you people act like Jay Wright is still going to come through that door for 2mil. he's not, and this is the best we can do.

4/18/2006 11:09:24 AM

^^Then you should say that it means something he actually got hired. Because staying there for a certain number of years means that the organization was dumb for keeping him because he sucked.

4/18/2006 11:11:00 AM

Doyell is gonna have a field day with this one.

4/18/2006 11:14:23 AM

you can argue both sides. i'm not trying to say it means a damn thing, i was just pointing it out.

i really have no idea what to expect from this guy, so i'm just trying to focus on the positives for now.

4/18/2006 11:15:05 AM

who cares

this probably isnt going to happen, btw

why isnt anyone mentioning Bo Ryan at Wisconsin? The N&O lists him as a possiblity.

N&O says we definately arent getting him: http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/429813.html

[Edited on April 18, 2006 at 11:18 AM. Reason : .]

4/18/2006 11:16:14 AM

actually they don't say ANYWHERE at all in that article that we are definitely not getting him.

4/18/2006 11:22:23 AM

Quote :

"UNLV athletics director Mike Hamrick says Kruger is staying put. Hamrick, the former AD at East Carolina, also noted that Kruger has a buyout clause in his contract."

he's not worth a buyout. none of these coaches are.

4/18/2006 11:23:56 AM

the buyout is $1.5mil

if kruger is the guy lee wants, that isn't going to stop us.

4/18/2006 11:26:27 AM

Quote :

"and Air Force made the tournament, so? "

I hope people remember that if there was one team that made a huge backlash about not deserving to the be in the tournament this year it was Air Force. So many anaylist and reports were against the Air Force entry that they would have welcomed another MVC team in.

4/18/2006 11:27:17 AM

yeah they were all pissed that AF got in and not cincy

4/18/2006 11:29:20 AM

yet air force hung with illinois for most of their game.

4/18/2006 11:31:22 AM

with that said, i wish andy kennedy was an option, but

1. he's at Ole Miss now
2. he hates this school now, thanks to V

4/18/2006 11:36:55 AM

N&O says the buyout is $3 million.

Fuck this dude.

Give me Stevie Lavin...I want a scandal!!

4/18/2006 11:41:09 AM

Fuck this dude. Lets get Haith.

4/18/2006 11:42:56 AM

^^learn to read

the beilein buyout is $3mil

4/18/2006 11:48:12 AM

Quote :

" [quote]Quote : "who took fucking Winthrop to the NCAA won the fucking Big South 6 of the last eight years" "

[/quote]


I dunno if you were saying that Marshal ONLY won that shitty conference, but he also took them to the tourney 6 times. For those keeping track, that's 6 times to the NCAA out of eight years at fucking Winthrop.

"Marshall has a 165-78 record at Winthrop, with six Big South championships and six trips to the NCAA tournament."

Anyways, his "success" at K State, Florida, and Illinois are all mediocre because he didn't improve on what they'd been doing at the time.

Actually, has he ever improved a program? Seems like he just continues what was there. Great.

So now we're getting a guy who reported makes Sendek look like Dickie V AND his biggest legacy is maintaining mediocrity for over 20 years.

4/18/2006 11:50:33 AM

hmmm not looking good....trying to read more up on this guy and his stats/history...and I am not liking it too much...but I will support and give him opportunity to show/prove if it comes to that


III

4/18/2006 11:59:59 AM

Big fucking whoop.

Here are the teams in the Big South:

Winthrop
Liberty
High Point
Charleston Southern
Birmingham Southern
Coastal Carolina
VMI
UNC-Asheville
Radford


Congratu-fucking-lations for being the best coach in that shitty ass conference. He's been there for 8 years, and with that record, why the fuck has he not been pulled up to a better team???

4/18/2006 12:00:49 PM

Which would you rather have:

A)An young, inexperienced coach(in terms of ACC caliber coaching) who is a proven winner?

B)An old, very experienced coach(in terms of ACC caliber coaching) whos is proven to be a mediocre winner.

I'm much more certain of what we'll get if we hire Kruger. Who knows what we'll get if we hire one of the younger coaches? Let's roll the dice and be either good or bad rather than hire a ".500" guy.

4/18/2006 12:10:08 PM

Quote :

"I dunno if you were saying that Marshal ONLY won that shitty conference, but he also took them to the tourney 6 times. For those keeping track, that's 6 times to the NCAA out of eight years at fucking Winthrop."

conference tourny winner = ncaa bid

my point was that he didn't get 6 at-large bids, he got 6 automatic bids by winning the Big South.

i still like the guy's potential, but you have to look at the real reason he made the tournament 6 times.


and as far as kruger goes... the longer we go with no other sources reporting this, the more i think that this was bullshit. hopefully it was and we get a haith/lowery/marshall hired asap.

[Edited on April 18, 2006 at 12:16 PM. Reason : ]

4/18/2006 12:14:48 PM

^^ couldn't have said it better myself

4/18/2006 12:19:26 PM

um... we arn't getting him guys... I think N&O made that quite clear

4/18/2006 12:19:57 PM

when every other school's AD said their coach was staying, NOBODY believed them.

now, all of a sudden everyone believes one sentence Hamrick said?

there is nothing in that article saying kruger isn't coming other than the UNLV AD subtly bashing fowler for not talking to him first.

4/18/2006 12:22:25 PM

Quote :

"Let's roll the dice and be either good or bad rather than hire a ".500" guy."

He's not a fucking .500 guy. He's made an Elite 8 and a Final 4 and was hired to coach in the NBA. I'm not head over heels for this guy but he's proven that he's a pretty damn good coach. Good lord...you guys must have thought Herb Sendek was fucking Larry Shyatt.

And I'd rather not role the dice. We've established ourselves as a top-25 program. No reason to roll the dice on a coach from the Big Fucking South. At least hire a mid-major from MVC or something. Geez.

4/18/2006 12:23:32 PM

god dammit I wake up and see this shit

4/18/2006 12:24:36 PM

^^actually his career percentage is .576

to me that makes him a ".500 guy"

and

^it's not 100% confirmed yet. could just be a shitty site with bad info still

4/18/2006 12:26:37 PM

yeah but it's kinda like waking up and getting pooped on, even though you aren't 100% sure it's poop. I don't know much about Kruger but it just seems fitting.

cheeze for Head Coach and Sports Talk Mod



[Edited on April 18, 2006 at 12:30 PM. Reason : z]

4/18/2006 12:29:43 PM

well if we officially announce kruger as the next HC today...

that'd be exactly 10 years to the day from when sendek was announced HC. with all the other similarities they have, i'm sure the fanbase would love that.

4/18/2006 12:31:01 PM

i said posted it in the first page, i'll post it again:

Quote :

"http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=231140 [quote]New names surfacing In recent days, several new names have surfaced as potential candidates for the job. That list of new prospects may be headlined by UNLV’s Lon Kruger. Kruger was once thought to be a prime candidate for the job at Arizona State, where his son, Kevin, led the Sun Devils in scoring last season. But when former N.C. State coach Herb Sendek accepted that position earlier this month, Kruger stayed put in Las Vegas. The Runnin’ Rebels coach certainly isn’t low on college experience, having been a head coach for 20 seasons at five universities. But for Wolfpack fans hoping their new coach brings more charisma and ambition to the table than Sendek, Kruger would not fit the bill. While he has been to the Final Four, taking Florida there in 1994, he has notched only seven NCAA tournament wins in his other 19 seasons on the college level. In four seasons at Illinois, Kruger averaged 20 wins but never reached the Sweet 16. He later compiled a 69-122 record in two-plus seasons as the coach of the Atlanta Hawks and since returning to the college ranks in 2004, he has a record of 34-27 at UNLV."

and you thought herb was mediocre??? my god i hope this isnt true


how the fuck would you really say this is an upgrade from herb?

[Edited on April 18, 2006 at 12:34 PM. Reason : dfhdfhfdh]

4/18/2006 12:33:58 PM

i'm less than enthused...
while he would be a decent coaching hire, he wouldn't be an improvement over Sendek...
of course, maybe Fowler just wants to make the anti-sendek folks eat it for all their complaining... it's not like he can't point to them as a big reason he couldn't get a better coach...

4/18/2006 12:38:05 PM

soon we will have our proof that the herb haters are douches

they have been saying since for years that we could pull in a big name coach

4/18/2006 12:45:16 PM

I saw Lon Kruger Jr. walkin' with Lee Fowler, doin' the werewolves of Raleigh.

4/18/2006 12:48:36 PM

Quote :

" He's not a fucking .500 guy. He's made an Elite 8 and a Final 4 and was hired to coach in the NBA. I'm not head over heels for this guy but he's proven that he's a pretty damn good coach. Good lord...you guys must have thought Herb Sendek was fucking Larry Shyatt."

Over his career, he is essentially a .500 guy with a few surprise years that are from riding the coattails of the previous coach.

Quote :

"And I'd rather not role the dice. We've established ourselves as a top-25 program. No reason to roll the dice on a coach from the Big Fucking South. At least hire a mid-major from MVC or something. Geez."

Iona: Jimmy V
Army: Coach K
Siena: Paul Hewitt
Providence: Rick Barnes
App State: Cremmins
Davidson: Terry Holland
Davidson: Lefty Driesell
Northeastern: Jim Calhoun
Army: Bob Knight
Southwest Missouri St: Steve Alford
BostonU/Providence: Rick Pitino
Tulsa: Tubby Smith
Western Kentucky: Gene Keady
Marshall: Billy Donovan
Oral Roberts/Tulsa: Bill Self

You et the picture... Most coaches were unknowns before being hired by big programs. The only high profile coaches hired in recent ACC history are ROy Williams and Gary WIlliams, both returning to their alma maters.

[Edited on April 18, 2006 at 1:16 PM. Reason : WK]

4/18/2006 12:53:38 PM

i also would prefer rolling the dice with haith/lowery/marshall, but that list really doesn't mean anything

people are only going to remember the names of the guys that turned out to be great hires. nobody remembers when people roll the dice and end up with a dud.

4/18/2006 12:55:41 PM

http://www.firekruger.com/index.php?itemid=18

4/18/2006 12:55:58 PM

haha oh man
we will bash him worse than herb if this is true

4/18/2006 12:58:31 PM

Quote :

"soon we will have our proof that the herb haters are douches they have been saying since for years that we could pull in a big name coach"

then they'll just want fowler's head.

4/18/2006 1:00:24 PM

Quote :

"A)An young, inexperienced coach(in terms of ACC caliber coaching) who is a proven winner? B)An old, very experienced coach(in terms of ACC caliber coaching) whos is proven to be a mediocre winner. "

I'll go with A


fuck, I'd rather have a young mediocre coach like Haith with plenty of upside than an old piece of shit like Kruger.

4/18/2006 1:03:00 PM

Quote :

"Western Kentucky: Western Kentucky"

I'd shit my pants if we were able to pull Coach Kentucky from Western Kentucky....

But seriously...I see your point. But every single coach has to start at a small coach. So I could make a list of a lot of shitty coaches that did well at really small schools too and it would be just as big as your list.

Bottom line is that you're still rolling the dice. In our position, we shouldn't have to roll the dice...but it looks like we are. But being in this conference, you can't afford to take a chance and have it fail big time. It took us 10 years to climb out of the cellar that Les left us in. I don't want to have to go through that shit again.

4/18/2006 1:12:18 PM