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watch out kids, hes back with the --></

[Edited on June 30, 2006 at 2:44 PM. Reason : ]

6/30/2006 2:44:11 PM

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"what you should really be afraid of is that more people agree with my side than your side and if you dont understand that, well you probably still dont understand how kerry lost in 04"

Wait, you mean they still agree with Bush, the poll numbers show?

6/30/2006 2:45:12 PM

^the polls that said kerry had won the election? those accurate polls?

^^returning to witty sayings and criticizing html instead of substance...thanks

6/30/2006 2:46:10 PM

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"^^^you're the one who doesnt understand that your viewpoint is NOT the majority maybe the majority of a mainly liberal, mainly college aged message board but not the United States of America "

REALLY, THE POLL NUMBERS MEAN THE MAJORITY STILL BELIEVES IN BUSH?!!!! I DIDN'T REALIZE US VOTING HIM IN MEANT HE WAS INFALLIBLE. GOD MAN, STOP TROLLING.

6/30/2006 2:46:26 PM

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"liberal this kerry that clinton there give it a rest man"

weak
sauce

6/30/2006 2:46:53 PM

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"and if you dont understand that, well you probably still dont understand how kerry lost in 04 "

b/c of fear of the gays?

[Edited on June 30, 2006 at 2:47 PM. Reason : ugh]

6/30/2006 2:46:54 PM

strawman this

troll that

weak

sauce

hey cypher1...the poll numbers dont mean shit fyi

6/30/2006 2:47:34 PM

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"GOD MAN, STOP TROLLING."

oh but dont, its too much fun believing someone this clueless is spouting crap like he knows some shit.

6/30/2006 2:48:32 PM

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"oh but dont, its too much fun believing someone this clueless is spouting crap like he knows some shit"

weak
sauce

everybody in america doesnt think like you and you think they do

6/30/2006 2:52:25 PM

in previous wars, we had a far more defined conflict and enemy. in this "war" the administration is picking and choosing what parts of war they want to suit them. for instance: it is ok to hold people in detention indefinitely during the conflict. but, they don't have to follow the geneva convention as they would if it were a soldier of a sovreign nation.

what president would declare that we had "won" the war on terror anyhow? when are we gonna say "ok, we're cool, there's not threat of terrorism anymore." i think that the protections that have (and will) set up to combat terrorism will be fairly permanent and thus, this can't be thought of as a war in the same sense.

i think we should deal with each terrorist on a case by case basis.

6/30/2006 2:53:55 PM

this thread had so much promise...

6/30/2006 2:54:12 PM

this thread had promise because bush was gonna read it and be like "aww shucks, he reminded me of checks and balances, damn, he got me"

6/30/2006 2:55:20 PM

hahaha

good god

6/30/2006 2:56:11 PM

^^

6/30/2006 2:57:33 PM

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"for the last 50 years at least, any prisoners of war were tried in military tribunes "

As you've mentioned before, this war is not like others. Our enemy does not fight in any sort of conventional manner. They do not belong to a specific country. They do not wear uniforms. They do not bear arms openly. They do not hesitate to kill civilians, often in as gruesome a manner as possible. They are not interested in capturing and holding territory.

Again, this war is completely different from any war fought. We are not fighting for the traditional reason of removing an enemy that has forcibly invaded another country. We are fighting to show, primarily, that attacks on United States territory and citizens absolutely will not be tolerated. Secondarily, we are also making the statement that idealogues who preach hatred, not just towards the United States, but complete and utter intolerance of all who differ from their view, are neither acceptable nor tolerable in the modern world. The way to make these statements is to capture, prosecute, and punish terrorists according to the laws, values, and ideals of the United States of America. Bending, dodging, altering, or making new laws to suit the ends is unacceptable and completely against the idea of an open and free society, as well as against the idea of due process.

My question still stands:

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"What better way to illustrate the strength of the Constitution, and what better way to convince others of its strength and validity, than to apply its values to those who would not return the favor?"

6/30/2006 3:46:25 PM

^ I like this guy, but you're wasting your typing on Twista, he can't comprehend this.

I'm wondering if he will answer these questions

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"So, you're upset that a group of people took the power of life and death into their own hands but clearly not upset when the U.S. of A. does the same?"

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"Is the state of our technology and the great modern marvel that is the US really so lacking that we can't figure this shit out on our own and/or building up appropriate defensive "walls" so that we don't have to resort to torture and the removal of anothers liberties?"

6/30/2006 3:49:42 PM

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"So, you're upset that a group of people took the power of life and death into their own hands but clearly not upset when the U.S. of A. does the same?"

i, like all of us should be, am more appalled when our enemies take the lives of our soldiers...theres a huge difference in putting underwear on somebody's head than there is beheading our soldiers

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"Is the state of our technology and the great modern marvel that is the US really so lacking that we can't figure this shit out on our own and/or building up appropriate defensive "walls" so that we don't have to resort to torture and the removal of anothers liberties?"

we must not have had the technologies 5 years ago in september...have we developed this technology since then?

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"As you've mentioned before, this war is not like others. Our enemy does not fight in any sort of conventional manner. They do not belong to a specific country. They do not wear uniforms. They do not bear arms openly. They do not hesitate to kill civilians, often in as gruesome a manner as possible. They are not interested in capturing and holding territory."

since these new enemies of the US are, to put it bluntly, "crazier" than enemies we have faced in the past, they all of a sudden deserve a trial by jury? yet the "more traditional" enemies in previous wars who fought by more conventional methods who were ok to be tried by military tribunals? why should we grant jury trials to these current enemies? would a military tribunal trial not be fair?

6/30/2006 4:26:57 PM

i'd be perfectly ok if they got military tribunals. my point is that they deserve to be charged with crimes since this war seems like it will never end.

only ~10 out of ~400 have even been charged with anything.

[Edited on June 30, 2006 at 4:30 PM. Reason : asdf]

6/30/2006 4:29:16 PM

some of the guys in guantanamo might be innocent im sure

but there are plenty of people in guantanamo that are terrorists with ties to al queda, who if released, would certainly go back to their ways of trying to do whatever they can in their power to cause destruction to america

but the whole supreme court ruling doesnt address how long the prisoners can be held...it discusses how the prisoners would be tried

6/30/2006 4:33:25 PM

i know. my problem is that people aren't charged in a war that will probably last indefinitely because it hasn't really been properly defined.

[Edited on June 30, 2006 at 4:35 PM. Reason : n't]

6/30/2006 4:34:32 PM

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"theres a huge difference in putting underwear on somebody's head than there is beheading our soldiers"

Nice troll! You are an idiot, plain and simple.

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"we must not have had the technologies 5 years ago in september...have we developed this technology since then?"

You have eyes, but if you don't open them, you'll never see.

6/30/2006 4:41:43 PM

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"I find it interesting that, only a few months ago, the Supreme Court was out-of-control conservative after being packed with Alito and Roberts. Now, that same court is being lauded as holding up the system of checks and balances."

I find it predictable, of course you know that if Roberts had been able to get in on this one the outcome might have been different. Also I find it disturbing that the courts seem to have an inexaustable ability to follow technicalities to exhonerate criminals, yet now when the Geneva convention clearly doesn't apply they will follow the "spirit" of the law ? I'd rather the courts always followed the letter of the law and left the legislation upto congress. Good grief, Breyer's thinks we should learn from internation law, what a hoser.

6/30/2006 4:46:36 PM

i hate to hear people say that the supreme court should follow the "letter of the law." Usually if a case gets heard by the ussc then it is not very clear cut. that's the whole reason the court exists.

6/30/2006 5:00:08 PM

^^^way to say absolutely nothing when i take the time to answer your questions

6/30/2006 5:05:06 PM

I said plenty, you're just too clueless to figure it out.

6/30/2006 5:18:01 PM

again, great content...you're really an intelligent person

6/30/2006 5:39:41 PM

Yea, smartest thing I ever did was to stop giving you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't as dumb as you sometimes seem.

6/30/2006 5:45:50 PM

please stay on topic

oh wait, you dont even realize the topic is only about jury trials vs military tribunals

6/30/2006 5:47:38 PM

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"theres a huge difference in putting underwear on somebody's head than there is beheading our soldiers"

Why should I bother responding seriously to another one of your strawmen? Why?

6/30/2006 6:02:22 PM

maybe you think a prisoner in gitmo being humiliated is equivalent to us soldiers being beheaded

i think theres a huge difference, as anyone with a brain would

but please, dont focus on that...just throw out words like strawman and troll...thats all you do anyway

6/30/2006 6:04:59 PM

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"TreeTwista10please stay on topic oh wait, you dont even realize the topic is only about jury trials vs military tribunals"

hmmm

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"TreeTwista10 i guess if you forget 9/11 because you hate the president..."

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"TreeTwista10 thanks for the dickriding though...flattering, really"

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"TreeTwista10 dude lets go throw some frisbees at bonaroo and take some rolls, woah dude awesome"

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"TreeTwista10 help i'm being bombarded by liberal hippies who dont address what i say!!"

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"TreeTwista10 and that is your problem"

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"TreeTwista10 wow what a snappy comeback i'd expect a snappy comeback instead of anything with any intellect and thought involved "

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"TreeTwista10 why dont all people on this site hate bush as much as me? "

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"TreeTwista10 you are kind of slow arent you"

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"TreeTwista10 maybe i'm just not a pussy liberal"

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"TreeTwista10 PEOPLE WHO THINK DIFFERENT THAN ME...BAD...SHOULD BE CENSORED"

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"TreeTwista10 what you should really be afraid of is that more people agree with my side than your side and if you dont understand that, well you probably still dont understand how kerry lost in 04"

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"TreeTwista10 again, great content...you're really an intelligent person"

dude, you get an F- at the soapbox





[Edited on June 30, 2006 at 6:12 PM. Reason : ]

6/30/2006 6:08:34 PM

just to cover the last few.

[Edited on June 30, 2006 at 6:09 PM. Reason : ]

6/30/2006 6:09:21 PM

what kind of comments do you expect in a thread this stupid

"Hey President Bush...there are checks and balances...ha HA...take that!"

6/30/2006 6:11:05 PM

seriuosly....this is just about the worst thread ive seen in a while...it should have been locked loooong long ago

6/30/2006 6:12:21 PM

HEY I'M SYNAPSE

I HATE THE MILITARY



THEY SHOULD BE WORKING 24/7/365

NO VACATION FOR YOU!!

6/30/2006 6:12:43 PM

how can turrists be tried by a jury of their peers? We gon' fly niggas in from afghanimastan and shit to try them?

6/30/2006 6:16:49 PM

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"HEY I'M SYNAPSE I HATE THE MILITARY "

Look bitch, I served 5+ years in the Marines and loved every day of it. Over a year of that was being deployed overseas to such wonderful places as Saudi Arabia. You'll be hard pressed to find someone who supports the troops more than I do.

Why dont ya kick back, twist a tree and thank people like me who provide you the right to spout shit like this.




[Edited on June 30, 2006 at 6:33 PM. Reason : ]

6/30/2006 6:27:34 PM

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"maybe you think a prisoner in gitmo being humiliated is equivalent to us soldiers being beheaded i think theres a huge difference, as anyone with a brain would but please, dont focus on that...just throw out words like strawman and troll...thats all you do anyway"

You think that's all that is happening down there? Just a little humiliation? I'm asking again, are you this dumb?

6/30/2006 6:28:32 PM

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"since these new enemies of the US are, to put it bluntly, "crazier" than enemies we have faced in the past..."

No, they do not get special treatment because they are 'crazier' than our traditional enemies. The terrorists are not traditional warriors, they don't fight in a traditional manner, and they do not fight for traditional reasons. Members of Al-Queda are crimminals who exploit the poverty, misery, and religious faithfulness of others. They are not soldiers. Why then should terrorist prisoners be treated in the traditional manner, i.e. military tribunals?

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"What better way to illustrate the strength of the Constitution, and what better way to convince others of its strength and validity, than to apply its values to those who would not return the favor?"

6/30/2006 11:21:49 PM

I guess if you define war any way you want to....

7/1/2006 1:38:50 AM

Does anyone think that Bush will try out for the Wizards when his term is over?
Maybe he can somehow mislead them about his basketball skills.

7/1/2006 2:06:21 AM

I don't understand

Is TreeTwista trolling or not?

7/1/2006 10:23:52 AM

^doesn't matter. do yourself a favor and block him

7/1/2006 1:40:03 PM

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"Is TreeTwista trolling or not?"

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"doesn't matter"

block people who think differently than you

if a person doesnt think bush is bad you must block that person and not be subject to his opinions

7/1/2006 4:50:27 PM

you really have avoided my issue with all of this:

holding people indefinitely in a war that will likely never end because it's a war on an idea that will never completely die.

7/1/2006 5:19:32 PM

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"You think that's all that is happening down there? Just a little humiliation? I'm asking again, are you this dumb?"

You also never answered this. Stop dodging questions and just stop generally trolling this section please. You can't be this stupid.

7/1/2006 6:27:01 PM

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" block people who think differently than you if a person doesnt think bush is bad you must block that person and not be subject to his opinions "

was this supposed to be a description of modus operandi in the Bush administration?

7/1/2006 6:29:50 PM

THREAD OF THE WEEK

7/5/2006 8:49:23 PM

Isn't the purpose of trolling to make the other person look dumb, but not yourself?

7/5/2006 11:58:36 PM

last time i checked

7/6/2006 1:27:35 PM