If a foreign power made you all suck it up while various waves of Mexicans immigrated into an area of the US and started buying up land and then the UN made you split the country and allow them to form their own Mexican state you know you would be pissed too.

7/16/2006 5:29:55 PM

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"we know if you had your way they would just be wiped off the map because "they stole the land!!"...or whatever it is you keep saying....racist"

By "crushed" I mean defeated militarily, and then they would be kicked off the land that isn't theirs. I donot and would never support exterminating them holocaust style. All I want is for them to get the fuck off the land that isn't theirs and for the US to stop meddling in the ME (and everywhere else in the world for that matter), and concentrate on problems here at home. I fail to see how this makes me a racist.

7/16/2006 5:36:33 PM

look, israel stole that land fair and square, so you're just gonna have to learn to live with it

7/16/2006 5:40:42 PM

Bridget, your questions are all pretty much related to each other but ok:


1. What is so amazing about being able to thrive when you have the help of other nations all over the world? How does this make them better than Palestine?
-The Palestinians get billions of dollars from all over the world…Arafat died a billionaire.-


2. Do you actually think the Palestinians have done nothing? And what do you mean by "nothing"? Have Palestinian refugess "done nothing"? Is there something inherently wrong with a culture/country that doesn't create a "booming" economy? Have you ever attempted to explain the economic disparity, or are you just assuming that Palestine is less successful economically because they are naturally inferior?
-There is nothing wrong a culture/country that doesn't create a booming ecomony.
There are tribes in Africa that live like they’re in ancient times and that’s just fine because they don’t demand money and services anyone or any other country and then martyr themselves by killing people when they don't get what they want.-

3. Do you really think the Palestinians are resource wasters who are dedicated to destruction of the Middle East? Why do you think that? Have you attempted to explain your thoughts to yourself? Or is another one of those "Palestinians are inherently bad" things?

-Starting from the first day that Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip, instead of doing something useful with the land they used it as a base to launch rocket attacks to southern Israel. Israel had NO presence in the Gaza strip until the soldier was abducted. And yes, they are dedicated to the destruction, not the entire middle east, but certainly the entire state of Israel. This isn't a secret.-

4. When you say that Palestinians should be thankful that their enemy is as sane as the Israelis, are you implying that other countries in the Middle East are insane? Do you view Israel as civilized nation among savages?

-Islamic fascists such as the leader of Iran, the leadership of Al Queda, the extremist wahabi elements in Saudi Arabia, the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, Hamas and Hezbollah want to impose Islamic law on the entire world against the will of free people. This is irrational and delusional, aka insane. And the means by which to it is by celebrating martyrdom.

The Iranian president claims that the Holocaust was a myth, despite the fact that it’s demonstrably provable with photographs, video, and personal testimony. A person (like him) might not care that it happened but the Holocaust is not an opinion It DID happen, to say otherwise is crazy, aka INSANE.-

1. Why are you so stuck on this economic issue? Why is that, when I challenge your establishing the Israelis as superior, you point to money to support your view? And how can you even begin to compare the economies of Palestine and Israel without considering the circumstances?
-See above answers-

2. How can you say this? What university employee taught you that you could actually make the claim that one country is morally superior and "superior when it comes to restraint"? And why are you supporting your absurd claim with a fucking episode of 60 Minutes? That just makes it even more laughable.
-Because one group wants to live a life of freedom and happiness and the other states that they strive for martyrdom and the destruction of the other group above all else.

Are you unable to see the difference in values? Can you not differentiate between the moral values of martyrdom and freedom?-

7/16/2006 6:21:54 PM

Morality is subjective. Whats immoral to you is moral to someone else. And I refuse to believe every Muslim on this planet wants to enslave everyone else and convert them to Islam. I am not fooled by a few vocal small fundamentalist groups.

7/16/2006 7:29:20 PM

Yes, morality is subjective. I'm sure that the KKK thinks their morals are better than everyone elses.

And it's not every Muslim on this planet, but it's that 'few vocal fundamentalist groups' that you speak of isn't so small

7/16/2006 7:38:09 PM

this thread sure is full of a lot of dumb

7/16/2006 7:56:21 PM

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"You wouldn't treat us so badly if the UN hadn't given you the land. But they did Beulah, they did give us the land."

The reality is that the Jews aren't going to up and leave, least of all by force ("never again"). Now what? Peace, or no peace?

7/16/2006 9:16:43 PM

To guage the intentions of Israel vs. its enemies -

Israel strategically bombs carefully selected targets while trying to minimize the deaths of innocent civilians...

vs.

Hezbollah, who shoots its missiles into Israel hoping to kill anybody and destroy anything (such as the 8 Israeli civilians today who were killed in Haifa by a missile)

And yet Israel is seen as the aggressor and evil. Go figure.

7/16/2006 9:51:48 PM

they can't help it all they have is iranian rockets

thanks to help from us israel has advanced weapons with good precision.

7/16/2006 9:54:48 PM

How is firing at coastal traffic from the sea selective targets?

7/16/2006 9:57:02 PM

I don't buy that argument...they (Hezbollah, etc.) could limit their weapons use to military targets if they so chose to.

How about the suicide bombers? Are you telling me if their bombs were more precise they wouldn't have blown themselves up in crowded civilian locations?

7/16/2006 9:58:02 PM

Ignore cxmai:

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"i hate to quote the most evil man of all time but hitler claimed jews were "cunning, and would better themselves at everyone elses cost" and thats exactly what happened after he was defeated."

Criticism of Israel's use of force, appropriateness of actions, or even Israel's legitimacy as a country is one thing. However, s/he appears to be nothing more than a Salisburygirl.

7/16/2006 10:46:27 PM

^^ The difference is that Israel should be held to a higher standard

7/16/2006 10:50:04 PM

^ Israel is fighting a burgeoning war in the most politically correct of terms. How many fliers did Hezbollah release in order to warn Israel's citizens against suicide or missile attacks?

Israel's standard, which you claim is lacking, is a helluva lot higher than that of their terrorist counterparts. And yet there is still unmitigated hatred for Israel no matter what they do. Go figure.

7/16/2006 10:55:31 PM

Citizens of Israel....please do not go to the Pizza Parlor on 5th street tomorrow as we are sending in a suicide bomber

Love , Hezbollah













oh wait........

7/16/2006 10:58:06 PM

^Thats essentially what ETA does in Spain, so youre not that far off from reality there.

7/17/2006 12:17:18 AM

http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/06_07/125.htm


give this dude a ring

7/17/2006 12:20:39 AM

i'm sure at some point or another in the last 50 years they have explained that they need to leave/give back their land or they risk being killed.

and its simply very easy to get into a crowded civilian area vs a military instillation with explosives wrapped around you. killing innocents will also decrease the will of the entire population making everyone more likely to leave/give in.(see hiroshima and nagasaki).

and hezbollah doesnt have a single aircraft. maybe if the united states gave them 200 f-16s they might be dropping leaflets, but they have been using al jazeera tv and other ways of getting their point across. they have warned about missile attacks far past haifa and just said anything is fair game. i think thats a warning.

given a level playing field israel would be defeated by good standards

of course israel can fight no right way because [keypoint]they are fighting to keep stolen land.[/keypoint]

and wtf is a sailsbury girl? couldnt even find that one on urbandictionary

7/17/2006 12:30:25 AM

can i make a stab at your question and say that you're referring to Salisburyboy, whereas Salisbury is a city close to Lexington, NC... and someone was calling him a girl

7/17/2006 12:47:32 AM

please everyone be sure that Israel is killing civilians in this war at will. Here in the US you are not seeing it, having more links to Lebanon, I have seen it in my eyes and they have killed mostly civilians.

And for everyone's information (again, you will not hear this here in the US): Israel has attempted twice to go into south Lebanon and has failed due to the heavy resistance of Hezbollah.

7/17/2006 1:23:34 AM

^^^ you are salisburygirl....clearly...and if you dont know what that is...no one is going to tell you

^ you want to link to these supposed failed attempts to enter lebenon??...i dont think anyone here is going to buy that without any proof..i know im sure not

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 1:25 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/17/2006 1:24:16 AM

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"please everyone be sure that Israel is killing civilians in this war at will."

just like we did in iraq

7/17/2006 1:25:54 AM

maybe once hezbollah stops provoking those dumb jews, we wont have to worry about this anymore

7/17/2006 1:30:52 AM

sorry I can't provide you with proof. I heard this from LBC international AND my uncle's wife's brother is in the Lebanese Army near the south, he witnessed it. It wasn't too intense, especially the first time, but Hezbollah backed them up and sent them back where they came from.

7/17/2006 1:40:45 AM

^^ this really started in Saida when two Hezbollah members were killed. Obviously Israel will deny. They wanted this war, they needed this war because of other developing strengths in the middle east. They eventually want to get everyone involved including Syria, Iran and the US. They want the US support while they can still get it before Bush loses power with the way it is going.



[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 1:44 AM. Reason : .]

7/17/2006 1:41:06 AM

sure...if you say so

7/17/2006 1:41:29 AM

^ let's just say that there is so much shit you guys aren't hearing about. All we hear is that 8 people died in Israel, Hezbollah attacked a train station etc. They don't show you what Israel is doing in Lebanon, how they are attacking people trying to leave, civilians everywhere (we know this is how Israel fights by the way) and how heavily it is actually getting attacked by Hezbollah. Israel did not expect such heavy resistance. I mean, when Hezbollah's leader says that in ten minutes look outside your windows and see the Israeli ship burning and that actually happens, damnnnn.

7/17/2006 1:48:41 AM

babzi:
Have you ever seen 'New Jack City'? See there are these drug dealers, who make a shit ton of money and they employ a lot of desperate and poor folks and even give them money as charity. Wonderful group of people. But drug dealers, especially of that caliber are dangerous to the rest of society. So while they may be providing roofs over the heads and food on the table of it's employees, many of whom are desperate just to get by, then they're also putting those employees at risk because they now live in the same place as the drug dealers, and when the drug dealers get taken down, no matter how much the employees have been warned to GTFO, they get caught in the middle of it.

Now replace 'drug dealers' with Hezbollah and 'employees' with 'Southern Lebanese residents' and that is what is going on right now.

7/17/2006 1:56:52 AM

I've repeated many times what I think is going on but I will sum up.

I don't know who is aware of what happened in Saida two weeks ago, but two Hezbollah members were killed. Israel denied it, but much proof has lead to Israeli intelligence being behind it. Stupid Hezbollah waiting for an excuse from anywhere take two Israeli soldiers with the green light from Iran and Syria knowing how Israel will react. Israel is trying as much as possible to get everyone involved now knowing that Iran is becoming too strong along with all the other Israeli haters (look how much damage Hezbollah is doing to Israel right now). At the same time, Iran would love for Israel to attack Syria since it said that it will act if Israel does so. With the US occupied mostly in Iraq, Iran is thinking that this is their time to erase Israel. The thing is, the US is in Iraq for a lot of reasons and one of them is to be there in case something like this would happen. It is not by chance that all this is happening while the palestinians are also occupying Israel with some fights in Gaza. Iran knowing that most likely Israel will hit Syria, especially if the captured soldiers are there already said that it will back up Syria. When it becomes Israel against all these, the US will get involved and we will have WWIII. It will all be on Lebanon's back since it is bordered with Syria and Israel. The funny thing is that North Korea at this time is saying that it will soon continue testing more missles.

7/17/2006 2:15:57 AM

^ drug dealers should take cops and demand to exchange prisoners

7/17/2006 12:01:21 PM

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"look, israel stole that land fair and square, so you're just gonna have to learn to live with it"

I agree with this. It's crazy to try to kick the Jews out of Israel now.

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"Israel strategically bombs carefully selected targets while trying to minimize the deaths of innocent civilians..."

They fail basically every time they try, though. Either they're extremely optimistic ("Come on, we'll get it right this time!") or they don't really care about killing random Arabs.

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"Hezbollah, who shoots its missiles into Israel hoping to kill anybody and destroy anything (such as the 8 Israeli civilians today who were killed in Haifa by a missile)"

Iraeli bombs in Lebanon have killed far more civilians. In the current conflict, neither side seems to give a damn about killing noncombatants.

7/17/2006 4:53:57 PM

well if the innocent civilians are gonna hang out in places like the main power station, radar station or right next to members of Hezbollah, then yeah, they're gonna get killed

7/17/2006 5:03:09 PM

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"well if the innocent civilians are gonna hang out in places like the main power station"

Why the hell wouldn't civilians be around the main power planet? Who do you think operates power plants? Bombing that power planet in Gaza wasn't cool. Israel knew full well that would hurt/kill bunches of Palestinians civilians.

7/17/2006 5:07:50 PM

cutting power is key to cutting ability to fight. They warned the people. They dropped leaflets...if the people running the plant decided that because Israel has been letting this shit go on for so long, that this was probably just another case of crying wolf, then I guess that's the price they pay. I mean Israel could just target all the people in Lebanon and leave the power stations alone because I mean if they kill EVERYONE then that will include the terrorists...and then there would still be power which would come in handy I'm sure

7/17/2006 5:21:53 PM

shit, i can't charge up my gun!

7/17/2006 5:29:16 PM

you're really retarded

7/17/2006 5:30:15 PM

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""mytwocents: The Israelis managed to take 'nothing' and turn it into something that makes money to sustain them as a people. what have the Palestinians done? Nothing, just complain about what they don't have. If Israel was wiped off the earth, and the Palestinians had the run of the land, they'd use up all the resources there and start on the destruction of the other countries in the immediate area. Of course those other countries won't think twice about bombing the ever loving shit outta them so if I were a Palestinian, I'd be thanking my lucky stars that my 'enemy' is as sane as the Israelis.""

I cannot debate with an ignorant racist person

7/17/2006 5:53:20 PM

^ im honestly not sure where the racism is there..

7/17/2006 6:38:53 PM

there's not.

7/17/2006 6:48:30 PM

YEAH OKAY

7/17/2006 6:49:17 PM

No, really....there's not. I stated fact, if that's racist then don't shoot the messenger

7/17/2006 6:54:58 PM

you stated FACT??

BAHAHAHAHAHHAA OKAY

7/17/2006 6:57:15 PM

It must be said again what goes around comes around, so don't act all innocent when another one of our towers is smoldering in ashes cause the the Arabs are pissed because of our idiotic support of Israel. Sad innocent people have to die, because of this stupid bullshit.

7/17/2006 6:57:54 PM

fact with a bit of commentary, but it's certainly not racist

7/17/2006 6:58:21 PM

You may be right, I might be crazy. But it just might be a lunatic you're looking for

-Billy Joel

I'm telling you, the EU needs to arm Turkey.

7/17/2006 7:06:07 PM

Something about mytwocents posts scream "I used to not know anything about the history of this area and the complex politics involved but after watching some MSNBC I am an expert so don't argue with me."

7/17/2006 7:14:21 PM

I will lay down fifty dollars right now that says Protostar does not think North America, in its entirity, should be given back to the Indians.

7/17/2006 7:15:09 PM

^^hmm...interesting...i dont see that at all...

well...protostar is an idiot so he could very well believe that...but i kinda doubt it

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 7:16 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/17/2006 7:15:17 PM

Something about smcrawff's posts scream "I know absolutely nothing about mytwocents but I think I'll go ahead and make some funny comments suggesting otherwise."

7/17/2006 7:16:57 PM