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"We got hosed"

we got hosed by who? the refs? no, no we didn't.

the coaching staff? maybe the coaching staff hosed us but that's about it.

9/10/2006 2:37:29 AM

yeah... i'm gonna leave this thread now... gg.

9/10/2006 2:42:25 AM

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"They waited around for a little bit. It's not like they scored and made a mad dash into the locker room. Also, what would it matter if they were on the field or not if it were reviewed? Either way the game is over."

no they pretty much ran to the locker room after everyone saw the jumbo replay

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 3:12 AM. Reason : fhd]

9/10/2006 3:12:38 AM

amato was attempting to challenge but the officials fled the field instantly it seemed, at least hearing it over the radio it was quick.... should have been auto-challenged and put as DOWN

Refs 2
NCSU 0

9/10/2006 3:31:34 AM

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"no they pretty much ran to the locker room after everyone saw the jumbo replay"

Even if they did (which they didn't), why does it matter?

What would them having been on the field mattered? Considering people allegedly started throwing shit (which I didn't see, but God knows with our fanbase it's more than believable), I'd get off the field too.

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"amato was attempting to challenge but the officials fled the field instantly it seemed, at least hearing it over the radio it was quick.... should have been auto-challenged and put as DOWN"

Even if it was auto-challenged, it wouldn't have been overturned. Every replay they had at the game showed him clearly breaking the plane. Only a single picture taken at an arbitrary time is getting you people up in arms.

See where he is? If even the very tip of the ball goes over the vertical area above the white line (which it did), that's a touchdown. If it even nicks the space above the goal line, it's a touchdown.

If you want anything even remotely conclusive, you need the video they showed on the Jumbrotron at the end of the game, which (wouldn't you know it!) shows the battle breaking the plane. This picture proves nothing, other than that you'd all rather be screwed by refrees than just gracefully admit defeat.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 4:26 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 4:27 AM. Reason : .]

9/10/2006 4:23:07 AM

^are we looking at the same picture??

his elbow is down and the ball is not over the line. i agree that real time/during a game refs might not see that...but now we have a clear picture. he is down...and the ball is not over the time...no...not any of it...i dont care if the camera is not looking right down the line. there is no way that any part of that ball has broken the plane.

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". This picture proves nothing, other than that you'd all rather be screwed by refrees than just gracefully admit defeat."

i know you would like to believe this...but get past it. what you see in the picture is proof that he was down. plain and simple.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 8:09 AM. Reason : asdf]

9/10/2006 8:08:49 AM

i cant beleive anybody hasn't even mentioned the next to last play in this game.... Akron received probably the most favorable ball placement I have ever seen, especially in a situation with the game on the line. Even a ref with one lazy eye could have saw the ball was down on the 1.5-2 yard line and somehow they placed it about 8 inches from the goal. Given those extra 5-6 feet, that last play wouldn't have even been close!

9/10/2006 8:36:56 AM

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"i know you would like to believe this...but get past it. what you see in the picture is proof that he was down. plain and simple. "

I know you would like to believe this...but get past it. We deserved to lose and the team's performance, lack of discipline after our touchdown, and Amato's inability to challenge to get a replay prove it, plain and simple.

Why did Akron's coach have the good sense to challenge a play where he thought Stone was over the line of scrimmage, but Amato was off running to the locker room after the last play of the game? Oh, that's right, we used them all.

We lost. Period. And if we did win, I would personally petition the NCAA to get the result of the game changed because there was no way in hell we should have won that game. 3-9 here we come.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 8:42 AM. Reason : /]

9/10/2006 8:38:20 AM

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"I know you would like to believe this...but get past it. We deserved to lose and the team's performance. lack of discipline after our touchdown, and Amato's inability to challenge to get a replay prove it, plain and simple."

oh i know we deserve to lose...but dont kid yourself into feeling like the "bigger person" by saying "oh no...he was...plus we deserved to lose because we played bad"...i agree with all that

all im saying is....look at that picture...he was down

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"And if we did win, I would personally petition the NCAA to get the result of the game changed because there was no way in hell we should have won that game."

no...you wouldnt

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 8:43 AM. Reason : asdf]

9/10/2006 8:40:44 AM

^ Someone get a still shot a frame or two after the picture posted, his elbows and knees are not down. Then I'll talk.

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"no...you wouldnt"

No s***.

10 years from now, the game will read a loss. If the position was reversed, you'd be telling Akron newspapers and websites to shut the f*** up, the scoreboard says we won.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 8:47 AM. Reason : /]

9/10/2006 8:43:34 AM

is his elbow down in that picture??

9/10/2006 8:44:06 AM

Based on the picture, I don't see an elbow down.

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"is his elbow down in that picture??"

9/10/2006 8:48:06 AM

ok

9/10/2006 8:50:27 AM

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"Amato was off running to the locker room after the last play of the game? "

but he didn't. He ran after the refs at the other end of the field.

9/10/2006 8:54:12 AM

^ That was all of what was shown on Amato on TV by ESPN. So I guess that's all they found fitting of him to show.

These were ACC refs right? I'm not arguing that the guy had a clearcut TD, just that it doesn't matter, the game is over and it is and always be a loss regardless of what we discuss here. That's pretty sad, cause your conference's refs are supposed to be biased toward their own teams in borderline calls anyway (cynical view).

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 9:08 AM. Reason : /]

9/10/2006 9:08:02 AM

Whether he was down or not, we deserved to lose for letting a garbage team even be in the position to be able to possibly score on the last play to beat us.

9/10/2006 9:08:58 AM

^^ I thought the officiating crew always came from the conference of the visiting team in OOC matchups...

9/10/2006 9:13:34 AM

its not the refs fault we lost, we lost this game ourselves, we had the chance to win and put it away and we didnt, we scored a td to take the lead and couldnt hold them off for 50 seconds, we made this happen regardless of the last play with piss poor coverage

9/10/2006 9:15:57 AM

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"there is no way that any part of that ball has broken the plane."

Did you even read my post at all?

I know you're a moron in the Soap Box, but at least do us all a favor and wisen up when it comes to sports.

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"Oh, that's right, we used them all."

I'm not sure you can actually blame him for using his timeouts, man. He really didn't fuck that up terribly, he just happened to not have any left.

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"Given those extra 5-6 feet, that last play wouldn't have even been close!"

And given those extra 5-6 feet, they probably would have run something else!

9/10/2006 9:20:04 AM

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"^^ I thought the officiating crew always came from the conference of the visiting team in OOC matchups..."

No. That only applies when teams are "equal", like an Ohio State vs. Texas matchup. When one team is above another, like yesterday's game, it's usually home team refs.

9/10/2006 10:00:16 AM

this makes me so mad...just think of what this might do to us at the end of the year as far as bowl placement.

9/10/2006 10:09:33 AM

good god, I'm tired of people saying that we never should have been in this situation... THAT DOESN'T MATTER, WE WERE!

It doesn't matter if this were the last play or the first one, their job is to make the correct call and they didn't (photos prove it). PERIOD.

9/10/2006 10:17:32 AM

^^hahahahhahhaa

^ and yeah, we suck this year and we will take any win we can get. Please refs, don't screw us anymore please.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 10:20 AM. Reason : .]

9/10/2006 10:18:42 AM

lol bowl placement?
you mean our team's placement on the couch watching bowl games?

9/10/2006 10:21:20 AM

9/10/2006 10:34:08 AM

If only we hadn't given them a 15 yard head start...

9/10/2006 10:47:40 AM

I'm just as pissed about this as everyone else, BUT let's face it...we SHOULD NOT have been in the position to where those points mattered anyways.

we got outplayed, plain and simple...maybe this will open Chuck's eyes and he'll do something to correct it

9/10/2006 10:54:23 AM

Our fans are a bunch of fucking whiners.

And our football team is horrible.

9/10/2006 10:59:25 AM

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"Our fans are a bunch of fucking whiners. And our football team is horrible."

this is why it is funny when we lose, yall are such little bitches

9/10/2006 11:05:24 AM

^it is the same way at every school, especially if it comes down to a last play like that where there is even a hint of controversy

9/10/2006 11:11:17 AM

all in all
the better team won that game

i hate that we lost but Akron deserved to win
they played the hardest and wanted it more

hell, they played in front of 105K people last weekend
so they didnt fear us / they out played us instead

9/10/2006 11:17:20 AM

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"its not the refs fault we lost, we lost this game ourselves, we had the chance to win and put it away and we didnt, we scored a td to take the lead and couldnt hold them off for 50 seconds, we made this happen regardless of the last play with piss poor coverage"

that is so true. every fucking time we lose everyone bitches about how the refs screwed us and fire everyone. we played shitty. we didnt deserve to win that game. suck it up and move on. what pisses me off is we can't lose with class. our fans make us look bad. even if there are bad calls, it's fucking stupid and childish to throw shit on the field. some of our fans are like chidren and have to throw their little temper tantrum. just suck it up and move on and take the loss like men. [/rant]

9/10/2006 11:18:42 AM

if the last play can't be reviewed when time runs out that is bullshit

im not complaining about the lost just the fact they didn't look at it.. the play happened way to close

9/10/2006 11:23:28 AM

You guys are all crazy. There a few points I have to say after reading some of the incredibly stupid post in here.

Point one- Whether he was in or not that play should of been reviewed. The reason I say this is in a close game, that every person with eyes knew was going to be a controversial ending, plays like that should be reviewed just to make sure.

Second point- Even if it had been reviewed I doubt there would of been any replay at that time that would of shown conclusive evidence to him being down. As a result we still lose, so no matter if theres a picture or not we lose. We just gotta deal with it an move on.

Third- All of you saying that we deserve to lose need to get over yourselves. Did we play like crap, yes. Did play calling suck at times, yes. Should we of been in the position in the first place, no. Either way all people ever talk about when defending stone or our season is a wins a win. So taking that as it is, had we won everyone would of been happy. Yes we played horrible, but a wins a win, stop with all the we deserve to win i'm gonna petition blah blah.

Forth- We lost because of a combination of Stone, and play calling. Now I don't hate stone cause he's supposedly the best we have, but he's a below average quarterback, and proved that in the first half. I give him lots of credit for bringing us back in the game, but his reads in the second half were much much simpler then the first. Coaching is my other blame. I want chuck fired personally, however until that time I will support our team (without booing our coach, or throwing things on the field). Fact of the matter is if chucks such a good recuriter, and a good coach why do we have a quarterback problem? I mean if I was offered a scholarship to play at a place I knew I'd start as a freshman I'd jump on the offer. So why don't we have a good quarterback?

Last point- In answer to above question I think we need to start Burke(sp?) Some of you may say well stones the best we have. Well to you I say how do you know that, and since a lot of people do doubt our coach, how do we know he's not wrong and that Burke really is better. This is Stones last year, but I think playing for the future is something we need to do now, because honestly what do we have to lose? In all likelyhood we're not going to a bowl game, or even having a winning season if our play continues, so why not give the kid a shot and see what happens.

Ok I'm done rambling so enjoy

9/10/2006 11:38:57 AM

because when you resize a digital photo and use photoshop filters to make it less pixelated, you REALLY ARE adding new information to that picture! idiots.

9/10/2006 11:41:18 AM

if you have to provide that long of an explanation (which I will not read) then we fucking suck

9/10/2006 11:41:29 AM

^ wow it was long...oops oh well

9/10/2006 11:47:42 AM

Ok, the elbow was down.

3 conclusions.

1.) These were ACC refs (so they weren't biased toward Akron, if anything, they would be biased toward us).
2.) We had no timeouts (to force a challenge), and that is a coaching mistake.
3.) We still lost and our record is still 1-1. You can be like that one guy on this forum that still thinks Roger Maris is the season HR record holder and deny facts and the truth of the matter, but we still lost and we're still 1-1.

This is why they should get rid of instant replay. Refs will never be 100% right, but if you aim for 100 and get 99, fans get pissed off. So you might as well leave at 90 comfortable in the knowledge that the refs make mistakes, but it will be for both teams.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 11:57 AM. Reason : /]

9/10/2006 11:52:25 AM

^like that shits gonna fly, you really think we are gonna whine less than we did say, 2 years ago?

DURRRRRRRRRRRR NO!

9/10/2006 11:53:18 AM

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"2.) We had no timeouts (to force a challenge), and that is a coaching mistake."

How do you call a timeout when the clock has expired?

9/10/2006 11:54:12 AM

we deserved to lose? akron looked just as shitty as us. just b/c they competed w/ us a lot of yall wanna hand them the game... fuck that, elbow down, we should be 2-0

9/10/2006 11:58:06 AM

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"This is Stones last year"

actually Stone is a RS Junior. he still has one more year to go.

9/10/2006 11:58:42 AM

we dont have the right to call other Div IA teams shitty, until we beat a Div IA opponent

and we didnt hand them the game dumbass, the team did!!

IMAGINE THAT

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 11:59 AM. Reason : g]

9/10/2006 11:59:00 AM

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"^like that shits gonna fly, you really think we are gonna whine less than we did say, 2 years ago? DURRRRRRRRRRRR NO!"

Dude, have you noticed since they've come out with replay that ACC officials don't have the balls to make any decision on a play, whether a play was a fumble or not for example? So what they do is they give continuation the benefit of the doubt and then they know there will be a replay. The end result of this is "inconclusive evidence" for a call that was not sure to start with. So a lot of plays turn out wrong just because they cannot overturn them 100%. The game is not called any better and for ACC officials anyway they no longer make split-second decisions on what they think is correct when that is what is required of them for instant replay to work. I sat for 5 seconds yesterday not knowing if Akron got a touchdown or not cause a ref didn't put his arms up or come across marking the end yard line of play. It was like they were looking around waiting for someone to make a decision.

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"How do you call a timeout when the clock has expired?"

Can't he challenge the play with one at the end of regulation? I know you can't challenge if you don't have a timeout remaining. When Akron's coach challenged and the play was upheld, they took away a timeout. Since Amato had no timeouts remaining, he couldn't challenge the play.

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 12:05 PM. Reason : /]

9/10/2006 12:03:18 PM

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"actually Stone is a RS Junior. he still has one more year to go."

Here's hoping he does a Will Roach.

9/10/2006 12:05:45 PM

The picture alone doesn't prove shit. I don't understand why that's so hard for you all to understand.

The video replay that everyone saw at the end of the game, the same one the refs would have looked at, showed him getting in. he end of the ball breaks the plane - presumably before that picture was even taken.The call never would have been overturned.

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"2.) We had no timeouts (to force a challenge), and that is a coaching mistake."

Exactly which time out shouldn't Amato have taken?

[Edited on September 10, 2006 at 12:18 PM. Reason : .]

9/10/2006 12:17:02 PM

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"his is why they should get rid of instant replay. Refs will never be 100% right, but if you aim for 100 and get 99, fans get pissed off."

This isn't a bad statement for 90% of the game, but refs with replay should have no excuse for not getting the last play correct. They can take all the time they need since the game is over unless there is a defensive penalty. IMO instant replay is most important in the last 2 minutes and thats when they fucked up... inexcusable

9/10/2006 12:20:00 PM

can people start sending this picture in to espn wral and ncaa

9/10/2006 12:21:57 PM

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""That's just the nature of the game," Stone said. "SometimesEverytime, youI [don't] come out on fire and youI have to build that rhythm.""

http://www.newsobserver.com/752/story/484772.html

9/10/2006 12:22:21 PM

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"we dont have the right to call other Div IA teams shitty, until we beat a Div IA opponent"

if the "team" handed them the game, then the team can play by that rule.. because they beat us, they didnt play shitty? were you watching/listening to the game at all?

9/10/2006 12:23:18 PM