In regards to the xbox you're correct it most certainly did.

I'm not suggesting any console should be used as a dvd player but....my CRT projector loves VGA so ill probably end up using the xbox360 to drive it >_< .

10/25/2006 7:05:48 PM

Quote :

"As stein pointed out, if the ps2 is any indication of the ps3's ability to read and display video from the media in which it stores games, youre in for a $600 disc read error in a year. "

I'm hoping that since sony is touting the ps3 as a media machine and hyping its ability to play blue-ray movies, maybe they'll pay more attention to how well it actually does those things.

Of course, my biggest problem with the PS3 was never its video playback. It was always the audio. Watching anything with a decently strong movie score in the backround meant you'd have to turn on the subtitles to make out normal conversations. It's extremely frustrating when you have a decent 5.1 channel receiver and a $140 center speaker and still can't make out voices in a ps2 played dvd.

10/25/2006 7:20:02 PM

Quote :

"I'm hoping that since sony is touting the ps3 as a media machine and hyping its ability to play blue-ray movies, maybe they'll pay more attention to how well it actually does those things. "

Consider your hopes dashed. It doesn't even upscale.

10/25/2006 7:49:19 PM

Aww

10/25/2006 9:19:45 PM

Quote :

"RAMBUS IS SO MUCH FASTER FUCK DDR"

Well, the DOJ decided the DRAM makers colluded to fix prices, part of which seems to be related to driving Rambus out of the market. I think if Rambus would have gotten the same shot at the market that the rest of Jedec did, we would still be using it today.

10/25/2006 11:03:43 PM

You are also forgetting the reason RAMBUS lost out was it's insane licensing fees. It was that combined with the DRAM price fixing that drove them out of the market. It's one of the few times a licensed dram technology made it into the consumer space, and it didnt last long.

Not to mention it also had a HUGE laundry list of problems/quirks/issues that really questioned people's faith in it.

10/25/2006 11:28:13 PM

Quote :

"You are also forgetting the reason RAMBUS lost out was it's insane licensing fees."

Sounds kind of like the cost of entry for Blu-ray.

10/26/2006 6:32:30 AM

The license fees weren't all that insane, it was just more than the JEDEC members wanted to pay (which was $0).

Quote :

"Not to mention it also had a HUGE laundry list of problems/quirks/issues that really questioned people's faith in it."

Refresh my memory?

10/26/2006 8:39:19 AM

PUN

10/26/2006 9:00:13 AM

10/26/2006 9:12:04 AM

Did i have good timing?

10/26/2006 10:51:26 AM

Quote :

"Im hardly a tech talk "god" as you put it"

I know, stop acting like you are. Some of us know things + don't feel the need to act like pretentious pricks about it.

Quote :

"RAMBUS IS SO MUCH FASTER THAN DDR"

^that post pretty much confirms that you're a fucking idiot.

[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 12:50 PM. Reason : d]

[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 12:51 PM. Reason : OMG I BUILT A PROJECTOR, I KNOW EVERYTHING]

10/26/2006 12:41:25 PM

in response to Stein:

Quote :

"Uh... Beta cassettes MiniDiscs Memory Sticks UMDs"

I'll give you Beta. But the rest of those are perfectly viable formats, miniDisc is essential to me, I use memory sticks all the time, and UMDs are nice to watch movies on the go.

Not saying I'm a blind Sony supporter. I despise the company for always trying to stick their proprietary hand in every pot. But really, if the only argument you can come up with as to why HD-DVD should win is that it's "cheaper", that's pretty weak. We all know that doesn't matter one bit, if EITHER format actually takes off the prices will drop.

you guys act like fucking morons, it's simple economics.

10/26/2006 12:49:01 PM

So in your version of "simple economics" something's price dosen't matter?

Also how exactly are miniDiscs essential to you? Do they even still make minidiscs?

10/26/2006 1:26:45 PM

Quote :

"I'll give you Beta. But the rest of those are perfectly viable formats, miniDisc is essential to me, I use memory sticks all the time, and UMDs are nice to watch movies on the go."

Perfectly viable, though all have either ultimately failed or have a ridiculously tiny marketshare.

You're a moron. Have fun spending $300 more on a player that will more than likely fail who's only advantage is "OMG THE DISCS ARE BIGGER!!!1"

10/26/2006 2:27:19 PM

How many DVDs and CDs are filled all the way up with media? At 1080p of good quality, even an HD disc is going to be sufficient for all but the longest epics, right?

10/26/2006 2:56:20 PM

i don't know...i think it'd be absolutely awesome to have the lord of the rings trilogy, director's uncut editions, all on one disc

10/26/2006 3:04:14 PM

A lot of DVDs are filled with stuff, that's why you see so many multi-disc DVD packages come out, or double-sided.

Plus, Blu-ray is going to be in the PS3. Historically, Sony game consoles have done VERY well, and there's reason to believe that the PS3 might not follow this trend, but it's likely it will.

That alone will give blu ray a big leg up.

I think it's more likely though that dual-format players take over.

10/26/2006 3:08:21 PM

a 50 gb blue-ray disc will hold about 9 hours of HD video. Not sure if that's 1080p or 1080i. So yeah, you could realistically fill a 15 or 30 gb disc without straining TOO hard if you're talking epics or extended versions of movies plus some extra features.

10/26/2006 3:11:26 PM

no LOTR trilogy on one disc, then

i just don't see the point anymore

10/26/2006 3:12:45 PM

^^ but 50gb isn't the largest a bluray disc can get ... TDK has already developed the 100gb prototype, and they are working on a 200gb prototype right now:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060831225504.html

^so yes, look forward to LOTR on one bluray, assuming of course that the format is still around later on.

10/26/2006 3:24:32 PM

assuming of course new line cinema released on both instead of just hd-dvd as planned

Quote :

"So in your version of "simple economics" something's price dosen't matter? Also how exactly are miniDiscs essential to you? Do they even still make minidiscs?"

I dont even have to post anymore. I must have an idiotic following because they post the logical responses to all your retarded posts.

Enjoy your minidisk player, call us when you want to be let back into 2006.

[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2006 3:58:20 PM

^^ And assuming the 100GB and 200GB discs are reasonablly inexpensive enough. If it's cheaper to do it on 3 50 GB discs, they will. Just like how games were released on multiple cd's instead of single dvd's for the longest time. Just recently have there been single dvd versions of games (PC games at least) even though DVD players have been standard in computers that could even remotely be considered for gaming for about 4 years.

For now though, the version that will be holding movies, games, and whatever is going to primarly be the 50GB disc. In terms of burnable media, it's pretty much just the 25gb for now. Don't expect a LOTR extended trilogy on ANY single disc for a long time. They've got to milk the individual re-releases first.


[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : ]

10/26/2006 4:17:18 PM

Quote :

"Plus, Blu-ray is going to be in the PS3. Historically, Sony game consoles have done VERY well, and there's reason to believe that the PS3 might not follow this trend, but it's likely it will."

Before it can do well and turn the tide of the format war, they're going to need to actually get a decent amount of units out on shelves.

Sony fucked themselves because they:
A) were late to the party
B) looked like shit originally
C) are trying to get a widespread launch using a high demand product that is available in extremely limited quantities

10/26/2006 4:57:04 PM

Look at it this way, hybrid players are gonna be the way for awhile.

And Joe Consumer, wanting the new technology, but not wanting to pay more for it than he has to, is going to want to buy the HD based movie for less than the cost of the BD based movie and get the exact same (well, assuming BD comes up to HD level with fixes) thing for cheaper.

10/26/2006 5:25:55 PM

If what has been posted before about the Sony license is accurate, then it means that (more than likely) the only way you're going to see a hybrid player is if BluRay fails.

10/26/2006 5:30:29 PM

Quote :

"ok, I'm going to need a TV in the 40"-60" range not a lot of gaming, occasional PS2 use, mostly HD, DVR, cable, and DVD viewing what should I go with? should I go with the new flat panel stuff because they look really nice and don't take up space? or just go with a rear projection? what lasts longer?"

I'm also considering a projector

[Edited on October 27, 2006 at 11:42 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2006 11:42:04 AM

Quote :

"I'll give you Beta. But the rest of those are perfectly viable formats, miniDisc is essential to me, I use memory sticks all the time, and UMDs are nice to watch movies on the go. Not saying I'm a blind Sony supporter. I despise the company for always trying to stick their proprietary hand in every pot. But really, if the only argument you can come up with as to why HD-DVD should win is that it's "cheaper", that's pretty weak. We all know that doesn't matter one bit, if EITHER format actually takes off the prices will drop. "

Beta was vastly superior to VHS. Sony couldn't or wouldn't drop the pricepoint. Hell Beta is STILL used in some smaller production studios, because it's a damn good format.

Minidiscs were superior to CD's in a lot of ways. Sony couldn't or wouldn't drop the pricepoint. MD players are still used for a lot of audio recording on the go.

Memory Sticks only saving grace has been the PSP. They allowed in 3rd party vendors like SanDisk, who offer sticks for 1/2-1/3 the price Sony does or will.

UMD was and is a fucking retarded format. You get better quality and a lot less hassle (1 card versus 4-5 UMD's) and come out CHEAPER buying memory sticks and DVD's and encoding them yourself. This was one of the few times sony really just fucked up and did something stupid.

10/27/2006 11:50:14 AM

I find it funny that this thread starts with

Quote :

"Since the other thread was somewhat hijacked... Now the question is: 32" sony LCD vs 46" samsung DLP Both around $1200"

tech talk can't stay on topic for shit... especially about tvs

10/27/2006 3:43:35 PM

i'm going to wait a month and start another tv thread, just to see where it goes

10/27/2006 3:47:53 PM

more news on potential "universal" high-def disc players ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20061106/tc_cmp/193501891

Quote :

"Leading chip vendors such as Broadcom, STMicroelectronics and NEC Electronics told EE Times they are developing ICs that allow high-definition optical drives and players to comply with the two competing specifications. These suppliers appear to have specific knowledge that their potential customers—whose names they declined to disclose—will roll out universal players as early as 2007."

11/6/2006 2:36:50 PM

still,

Quote :

"i'll buy an all-in-one unit that also plays divx/xvid when i can get it for $79.99 "

11/6/2006 3:06:25 PM

a lot of people still use minidiscs.

If you guys ever left your houses, you would find out that it's THE format for recording on-the-go.


Stein:

Quote :

"You're a moron. Have fun spending $300 more on a player that will more than likely fail who's only advantage is "OMG THE DISCS ARE BIGGER!!!1""

it is THE ONLY advantage to speak of, so yeah it's a pretty big one. And in case your dumbass missed it, I'm spending LESS than I would for an HD-DVD player. Lay off the haterade, it makes you look like a fanboy-nerdass-type.

11/7/2006 5:15:22 PM

Quote :

"a lot of people still use minidiscs."

Read : Fanatik

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 5:17 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2006 5:17:18 PM

Quinn:

Quote :

"I must have an idiotic following"

hahahaha. THAT shit is funny. Your Tech Talk following....... man you are sad.

11/7/2006 5:17:44 PM

^^ooooh... zing!



are you really that stupid?


Also, I created these 12 million pages:

http://www.google.com/search?q=minidisc&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 5:20 PM. Reason : df]

11/7/2006 5:18:18 PM

A man trying to convince me minidiscs are widely used by the average consumer is not an adequate judge of others "stupidity".

11/7/2006 5:20:15 PM

^show me where i said that.


you can't. cuz yer stupid

11/7/2006 5:21:37 PM

Quote :

"a lot of people still use minidiscs."

No, they in fact don't.

11/7/2006 5:22:32 PM

ever been to a live show? Ever seen anyone recording one? What were they using again?

Oh, right, a minidisc recorder.



Try stepping out from behind your computer

11/7/2006 5:23:21 PM

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dont agree with me!

11/7/2006 5:23:46 PM

That still doesn't make them "widely used."

So your statement is still incorrect.

11/7/2006 5:24:48 PM

It failed miserably as a consumer level mobile media storage format was my entire point.

Fanatik ill be sure to give you a due apology when the live shows you attend are recorded on blu-ray storage media.

11/7/2006 5:27:08 PM

To be fair, they were widespread in Asia but nowhere near the numbers that the Ipod is now.

So, given that the portable player market has exploded and that one device holds a majority of that market, minidiscs are not "widely used".

11/7/2006 5:28:28 PM

they are "widely used":

any live recording you will ever download on the net was, with 99% probability, recorded on a minidisc recorder.



It is your conjecture that makes my statement incorrect.

11/7/2006 5:34:08 PM

Quinn:

Quote :

"Fanatik ill be sure to give you a due apology"

You, give an apology?? bwhaha, plz. You are way too insecure to ever do anything like that. Here's a secret: What you say doesnt really affect me anywya, so don't lose any sleep over it.

11/7/2006 5:35:38 PM

If that were true, i wouldnt still be pointing out you have no grasp of simple economics and its effects on consumer level technology advancement.

Im probably the most insecure person you will ever meet.

11/7/2006 5:36:58 PM

I've never had the displeasure of meeting you.

Probably, not many people have. Unless we're talking about your WOW buddies. or your tech talk 'following'.



man that's pure comedy gold

11/7/2006 5:39:36 PM

Whom might my wow buddies be I dont and havnt played that game this year.

11/7/2006 5:41:36 PM

ok guys...let's break up the fighting and offer some insight

i want a tv > 40" for hd-dvd, x360, dvd, tv (both hd and sd) and xbox use.

what is the best choice for under $6,000? wall mounting ability would be sweet, but isn't a necessity.

11/7/2006 5:43:44 PM