^I don't rem seeing that...but I was in out studying....so I could be dead wrong....

I am still thankful that Herb is fuckin gone


III

11/28/2006 12:49:20 PM

Costner hit a few 3's I think

^^Me and a fellow class of 02 Wolfpacker were talking last night about Herb because we were both convinced we wouldve lost...we wouldve opened up a big lead, with a couple more 3's and less low post points, and Michigan wouldve made their 2nd half run, and instead of us hitting FTs from drawing fouls and taking the ball inside, we wouldve wasted 32 seconds and then launched a bad 3 pointer...theres no doubt in my mind we wouldve lost last night playing Herb ball

now lets just see if Lowe can keep this up! certainly a good feeling for the program though

and all those people (mostly UNC fans) making fun of State for supposedly getting such a reject coach...yeah they've been pretty silent so far

11/28/2006 12:51:22 PM

Quote :

"Ahhh last night game was so refreshing. It was the first game I was able to watch."

So you like turnovers and badly run offense? Or you like Gavin Grant almost single-handedly losing a 20 point lead? I really don't understand Herb haters. The funny thing is if Herb was coach, people would be bitching because we blew a 20 point lead and about lost but whatever. SIDNEY LOWE is coach now. Herb is gone. Why do you people keep bringing him up?

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 12:55 PM. Reason : Im sorry but Herb doesn't deserve the constant bashing]

11/28/2006 12:52:08 PM

Quote :

"So you like turnovers and badly run offense? Or you like Gavin Grant almost single-handedly losing a 20 point lead? I really don't understand Herb haters. The funny thing is if Herb was coach, people would be bitching because we blew a 20 point lead and about lost but whatever. SIDNEY LOWE is coach now. Herb is gone. Why do you people keep bringing him up?"

Somebody drank their Haterade....

For the 5th game of the season, offense was run hella betta than the past couple years under Herbie where all 5 of our on the floor player where shooting bad 3's at the end of the shot clock, where our Big men did not play low and hardly rebound, where we could not draw a foul to get easy FT attempts. The offense that was played last night was smoother than Herb's fucked up Mock Princeton offense he tried to run.

So yeah, it was refreshing...we pushed the ball, we took it down low, and we tried to actually run plays and score instead of 5 pass and launch a 3 at the end of the shot clock.

Idiots don't remember how bad the offense was with Herb, we were lucky to break 50 points every game even when we did win.


III

11/28/2006 12:57:06 PM

You'll have to understand that many people are going to bring him up as a way to rationalize the hiring of Lowe. For every good thing he does, people will bring up Herb to show that it was a good decision.

Basically, it's not going to go away, so you'll just have to deal with it.

^ And we were one of the better scoring teams in the conference last year, so quit spouting off crap. You don't want to look any more ignorant.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 12:59 PM. Reason : talk about idiots..]

11/28/2006 12:57:14 PM

^^ So it's better when Grant takes a bad 3 at the beginning of the shot clock?

Also, we had one of the highest scoring averages in the ACC last year.

11/28/2006 1:00:08 PM

well, its pretty cleat that BiggzsIII really has no clue about college basketball.

11/28/2006 1:00:58 PM

Quote :

"Me and a fellow class of 02 Wolfpacker were talking last night about Herb because we were both convinced we wouldve lost...we wouldve opened up a big lead, with a couple more 3's and less low post points, and Michigan wouldve made their 2nd half run, and instead of us hitting FTs from drawing fouls and taking the ball inside, we wouldve wasted 32 seconds and then launched a bad 3 pointer...theres no doubt in my mind we wouldve lost last night playing Herb ball"

You know we basically blew our lead because of all the things that you just said helped us keep the lead. So what you just said makes absolutely no fucking sense at all.

Instead of wasting 32 seconds and launching "bad" three pointers, we only wasted like 10 seconds and turned the ball over or took bad shots.

You can take A LOT of good stuff from last night's game...but how we handled the end of the game is not one of them.

11/28/2006 1:00:58 PM

Biggz, no one is pining for Herb back. However, if you want to make an argument at least TRY to use facts instead of spouting off the same old made up crap.

Costner was used brilliantly both inside and out. Sid used him great. However, he did take 4-5 threes and made 2 of them.

Quote :

"Idiots don't remember how bad the offense was with Herb, we were lucky to break 50 points every game even when we did win. "

No offense but when you call people idiots it probably isn't the best idea to bring up blatantly false information..

Quote :

"You can take A LOT of good stuff from last night's game...but how we handled the end of the game is not one of them. "

I said the same thing. I liked the aggressiveness that we had in which we did not sit on the lead with 5-6 minutes left. That was nice. However, we certainly did NOT need Gavin Grant driving the baseline with :25 left on the shotclock up 12 under 2:30 left.. I'm sure Sid also saw that and it won't happen again..

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:03 PM. Reason : x]

11/28/2006 1:02:13 PM

Oh Yeah, Herb only coached at NCSU during the 2005-2006...thanks for that tidbit of useless information.


III

11/28/2006 1:03:36 PM

Quote :

"You'll have to understand that many people are going to bring him up as a way to rationalize the hiring of Lowe. For every good thing he does, people will bring up Herb to show that it was a good decision. Basically, it's not going to go away, so you'll just have to deal with it. "

Oh, I agree. I love Sidney Lowe and feel he has pumped some juice back in the fanbase (not the program -- because the program was doing just fine -- but the fanbase). However, I find it INCREDIBLY hypocritical for a lot of people to complain and bitch about commentators constantly bringing up the Old Coach when our own fans do the same thing EVERY GAME.

11/28/2006 1:07:21 PM

if you can't see the obvious advantages to having lowe over herb sendek (and yes, even judging from only the few games he's coached plus his recruiting miracles, they are obvious) than you should not post in sports talk period.

11/28/2006 1:15:05 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/statistics?seasonYear=2005&conf=2

11/28/2006 1:16:48 PM

Quote :

"The funny thing is if Herb was coach, people would be bitching because we blew a 20 point lead and about lost"

fixed it for you

when we had Herb, and we played a team with better athetes, we lost. Almost every time. Like the last time we played Michigan. Or when we got murdered last year by Seton Hall. Last night, we beat a team with superior athletes. Lets hope Sid can keep it up

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:18 PM. Reason : and I was a Sendek supporter]

Course its all about how we play against UNC that will define Lowe I guess

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2006 1:17:17 PM

Quote :

"if you can't see the obvious advantages to having lowe over herb sendek (and yes, even judging from only the few games he's coached plus his recruiting miracles, they are obvious) than you should not post in sports talk period."

If you can't also see the obvious disadvantages to having lowe over sendek (and yes, even judging from only the few games he's coached plus his recruiting miracles, they are obvious) then you should not post in sports talk period.

11/28/2006 1:20:27 PM

Lowe is 5-0 as head coach

how the fuck can you see any disadvantages yet?

Time will tell...but Lowe has never lost...ever...and you're shitting on him?

11/28/2006 1:21:27 PM

I'm not.

I'm just saying that Lowe isn't the second coming of Christ.

So quit praising him as if he was.

11/28/2006 1:22:53 PM

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"Course its all about how we play against UNC that will define Lowe I guess"

Which is stupid in my opinion. Even if we are a legit Top 10 program chances are we'll still lose the majority of the time to UNC and Duke. Reason? Beacuse they are THE two best (or 2 of the best 3) programs in the country and that isn't going to change. I hope that mindset doesn't hinder Sid.

^ What is the problem with praising him? He is doing a great job to this point both on the sidelines and on the recruiting trail. However I have a problem with people making up things about where our program was the past 5 years. That is disrespectful to the players and to all the coaches and it isn't right.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:23 PM. Reason : x]

11/28/2006 1:23:00 PM

^^^^come back in five years wise guy.

11/28/2006 1:24:33 PM

if Lowe loses two games back to back to the 2006 Wake Forest team, then yeah

11/28/2006 1:30:27 PM

Maybe you guys are just confused.

I'm not saying that Herb was or is better. I'm actually neutral because I haven't seen much of State in action this year. If you think that I'm some Herb fanboy, I'm not. Yeah, I thought he was a pretty good coach, but I care about the success of NCSU basketball, so I'm not worried about him right now.

We're undefeated, yeah. We also struggled against Div-II teams and were struggling to beat teams that we should be blowing out, considering the talent we have.

Sid has done things that are an improvement over Herb. At the same time, his coaching style isn't the end all of all styles. There will be weaknesses. There are weaknesses. Be realistic enough to acknowledge them.

I had responded to the fact that someone said you shouldn't post in sports talk if you can't see the advantages of having Lowe over Sendek. I simply said that you shouldn't be allowed to post if you can't also (key word there) see that there are disadvantages. If you want to be blind to it, I'll hit you up at midseason when we're struggling at the bottom tier of the conference.

11/28/2006 1:32:32 PM

the largest disadvantage to Lowe's team is the lack of depth, and no amount of coaching is going to make up for that. The lack of depth on the bench is also Sendek's doing, so back off of Lowe for at least a year before you start complaining about his system. We're going to get burned by several teams in the ACC just because we don't have the depth to run wind sprints for 40 minutes. Lowe can't do anything about that, and if he did then I would question his ethics as a coach for giving EPO to amateur athletes.

11/28/2006 1:36:46 PM

^^ that is about the most realistic post I've seen on here in ages. I agree nearly 100%. Our depth is going to really hurt us come ACC time but lets not act like we are a bunch of crap players going balls to the wall and beating teams we shouldn't. With the talent we have in the starting 5 (6 with Atsur healthy) we are still a fine team. We SHOULD be beating these teams and full credit to Sidney that we are. However, for some reason a lot of people will make you believe we are coming from the depths of the college bball world and turning into a powerhouse overnight, which isn't true. If we had Brackman and Simmons back we would EASILY be a Top 10 team, with ANY coach. It's a shame that those two bolted as it would have made Sidney's first year that much easier.

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"The lack of depth on the bench is also Sendek's doing"

Not really. It's got nothing to with either coach. It is Simmons and Brackman making decisions that were the best for their futures. Nothing more.. Which recruits reniged on their commitments for this year? Werner and someone else?

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:40 PM. Reason : x]

11/28/2006 1:38:23 PM

What the hell would make you people happy? Does it take back-to-back undefeated ncaa championship seasons to make some of you back off the fucking team? jesus.

11/28/2006 1:41:56 PM

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"We also struggled against Div-II teams and were struggling to beat teams that we should be blowing out, considering the talent we have."

not to say that the teams we played close are great or anything, but wofford did beat cincinatti and valparaiso lost to marquette by 3. the parity in college basketball is unreal.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:43 PM. Reason : no more rants about depth.]

11/28/2006 1:42:59 PM

Who's not happy? I don't think realizing and understanding our weaknesses is a sign of unhappiness. In fact, I think that is a better approach to take. That way when the inevitable losses come we don't feel like we need to slit our wrists (like many people on here will). I think everyone is thrilled.

^ exactly. On the other side, he also wasn't left with the cupboard empty eitehr as some have tried tosay. We have some top talent that was underutilzied (fells and mccauley) or injured last year. Atsur kills us. We need him for depth and for calming purposes.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:44 PM. Reason : x]

11/28/2006 1:43:17 PM

I support Lowe and the direction he is taking the team. Although we did let the lead slip away, there were many things that caused it to happen, not just the offensive strategy. We were running with a 6 man team pretty much the whole game and by the end of the game we were worn down. That lead to the mistakes and bad decisions. Plus the refs. didnt help, but I definitly not putting that much blame on them. Our team and coach just needs time and support and the common sense from the fans to know that this is Lowe's first year.

11/28/2006 1:43:18 PM

Im having a hard time seeing any disadvantages considering how thin we are. He has done one hell of a job already and now we dont have atsur.

I cant remember if herb ever had a team that only had 5 or 6 scholarship players and then a bunch of walk on scrubs.

I dont know why people keep on bringing herb up (maybe whoever said they are trying to justify sid as a good hire). Personally just watching us play feels awesome even though we will lose A LOT of games this year. Its nice to see adjustments at timeouts instead of halftimes among other things that sid has shown us so far this year.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:45 PM. Reason : fuck...thats alot of posts since I went to type this]

11/28/2006 1:44:34 PM

"common sense" and "our fans" don't go well together.

11/28/2006 1:44:42 PM

people who keep praising the virtues of Herb have separation anxiety

11/28/2006 1:46:05 PM

^^ you watch. I guarantee the first loss people will be flying off their rocker and throwing blame left at right (at both Sid, the players, and Herb). You know it will happen!

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ^ you're a moron]

11/28/2006 1:46:25 PM

Quote :

"Who's not happy? I don't think realizing and understanding our weaknesses is a sign of unhappiness. In fact, I think that is a better approach to take. That way when the inevitable losses come we don't feel like we need to slit our wrists (like many people on here will). I think everyone is thrilled."

My sentiments exactly.

11/28/2006 1:46:26 PM

^^^^^You may not see it now, but you will. If people get in foul trouble, especially. It makes things way more difficult for us.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:48 PM. Reason : ,]

11/28/2006 1:47:12 PM

Quote :

"I guarantee the first loss people will be flying off their rocker and throwing blame left at right"

i guarantee not for the most part. you'll always have people who blame someone or another in ANY fanbase. (pointing out what went wrong is not throwing blame, for the record)

a lot of the shit you all blame on our fanbase is stuff every fanbase in the country in any sport at any level does.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 1:48 PM. Reason : d]

11/28/2006 1:47:24 PM

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"Im having a hard time seeing any disadvantages considering how thin we are"

Quote :

"You may not see it now, but you will. If people get in foul trouble, especially. It makes things way more difficult for us. "

i think he meant that sid is doing a great job for how thin we are, not that there's no problem being this thin.

11/28/2006 1:50:15 PM

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"i guarantee not for the most part. you'll always have people who blame someone or another in ANY fanbase. (pointing out what went wrong is not throwing blame, for the record)"

I'm sure you read my post and saw that I said the exact same thing about recognizing weaknesses, etc...

That said, I was at or around State from '99 to this July and I've been on TWW for almost 6 years (thus the crazy post count w/ only 10 posts a day!) and people WILL go nuts when we lose. It's inevitable. It's going to happen.

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"a lot of the shit you all blame on our fanbase is stuff every fanbase in the country in any sport at any level does."

Agreed. I don't blame the fanbase for anything. I couldn't give a shit less what the rest of the country says or thinks.

11/28/2006 1:51:14 PM

^
21171 (10.0 per day)
Registered : 2/10/2001 (2117.1 days ago)

10/day on the money, impressive.

11/28/2006 1:57:32 PM

I always said I'd quit when I got to that level, but I'm addicted now and work is boring this time of year. I think my average was like 1.5 or something when I graduated in late '04. Now it's 10.0

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 2:01 PM. Reason : then i worked.]

11/28/2006 2:00:40 PM

yeah, all this coaching business has me on here a lot more than i normally am.

but back to the discussion at hand... sidney lowe is the chosen one. mark it down.

(maybe)

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 2:03 PM. Reason : ]

11/28/2006 2:02:29 PM

Quote :

"We're undefeated, yeah. We also struggled against Div-II teams and were struggling to beat teams that we should be blowing out, considering the talent we have."

the talent we have? you mean all six of em?
and with all the experience they have amonst them, esecially under lowe's brand new system?

i don't know that anyone expected them to be blowouts. i, for one, was more than happy to see a win.

Quote :

" Sid has done things that are an improvement over Herb. At the same time, his coaching style isn't the end all of all styles. There will be weaknesses. There are weaknesses. Be realistic enough to acknowledge them."

of course, every thing has some sort of weaknesses. but be realistic enough to acknowledge that sid's system is leaps and bounds ahead of herb's. and if you don't want to now, then we can give you a couple years to get back to us.

Quote :

"I had responded to the fact that someone said you shouldn't post in sports talk if you can't see the advantages of having Lowe over Sendek. I simply said that you shouldn't be allowed to post if you can't also (key word there) see that there are disadvantages. If you want to be blind to it, I'll hit you up at midseason when we're struggling at the bottom tier of the conference."

remember we were picked to finish last. anything above that is credit to sid's system. not his weaknesses.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 2:05 PM. Reason : err]

11/28/2006 2:03:40 PM

Quote :

"work is boring this time of year. "

here here

11/28/2006 2:03:45 PM

How can anyone be unhappy with Lowe already? He's 5-0 with only 6 scholarship players and one of them is Bryan Niemen for god sake. It doesn't really matter what he does this year because he didn't recruit any of these players and he is certainly entitled to atleast one transition year. If any of you took the time to look at who he has signed for next year then i would think all of you should have high expectations instead of being ignorant and judging a man before you have even seen what he can do.

11/28/2006 2:05:29 PM

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"one of them is Bryan Niemen for god sake."

you hold it right there, sir. didn't you see sportscenter today?! they showed 3 clips from the game, two of them were the nolook pass from mccauley to nieman. HOT.

11/28/2006 2:07:21 PM

I'm not saying Nieman is a bad player by any means. He has improved a lot and he doesn't look like that scared walk on when he's out on the floor anymore but when we get into the meat of our ACC schedule then just the straight lack of depth is going to kill us. He deserves credit because he has obviously worked hard and I hope he turns some heads this season for sure.

What if someone else gets hurt?? We may be playing our walk-ons by the end of this season

11/28/2006 2:18:50 PM

^ no i know, i was joking. nieman hauls ass, though. i like him.

11/28/2006 2:21:09 PM

I thought nieman played better defense than anyone on the floor last night. He led the team in blocks....you gotta give him a hand.

11/28/2006 2:23:48 PM

We're 5-0

Enjoy it while it lasts...a win is a win is a win

There will be plenty of time to bitch, like from April to October when we whine about why we didnt win an NCAA title

11/28/2006 2:35:50 PM

Quote :

"the talent we have? you mean all six of em? and with all the experience they have amonst them, esecially under lowe's brand new system? i don't know that anyone expected them to be blowouts. i, for one, was more than happy to see a win."

I'm glad to see a win too. I do believe that our six/seven guys have the talent to blow out a Gardner-Webb though. At the same time, I know they're playing with a new system and it's going to take time for them to gel. They still struggled though...it's just an indicator of things to come when we match up against the big boys.

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"of course, every thing has some sort of weaknesses. but be realistic enough to acknowledge that sid's system is leaps and bounds ahead of herb's. and if you don't want to now, then we can give you a couple years to get back to us."

Yeah, gimme a couple years on that when I see how his system works with his players. If that's too long for you, I'll give it a couple months with Herb's players and see how great it is. I do think it's a bit premature to already say that his system is tons better when we've seen it for only five games against teams that aren't as talented on the defensive end.

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"remember we were picked to finish last. anything above that is credit to sid's system. not his weaknesses."

Yeah, way to give him a freebie. If his system sucks, we were supposed to be bad anyway. If we do well, it was all because of Lowe. You know it's not that simple. I'm giving him a freebie myself by not calling for his head at the end of the season. It doesn't mean that I can't watch what he does this season and analyze what he does well and what he doesn't do well. As of right now, I'm not too impressed with the D and I think we could do better, especially after how much the old coach emphasized it so much.

11/28/2006 2:49:08 PM

I think all of us can agree on the following:

1) We haven't seen anything yet. State hasn't played an ACC game, so consider this the preseason. Drawing any comparisons, much less conclusions, regarding Herbvs. Lowe at this stage is just silly.

2) This was a statement game for the Pack. Michigan had/has a solid lineup. Bilas talked about them being a potential Final Four team at halftime. Make no mistake, State was supposed to lose this game. All the announcers were shocked at the result. Considering how thin the bench is, you have to give props to Lowe on this one. This win was all guts and coaching.

3) Whether you were a fan of Herb or not (I was), watching Herb's offense was torturous. When it was bad it was painfully bad. Also nothing drove me nuts more than the Pack's inability to drive the lane and draw fouls, especially late in the game when protecting a lead. I'm glad to see Lowe letting the players make plays.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 3:00 PM. Reason : sdfa]

11/28/2006 2:55:28 PM

we need to learn how to hit free throws at the end of games. regardless of how herb would have done, its so much more fun to watch us play, and thats an understatement. im ready to hit a few bumps this year if its worth it in the future.

11/28/2006 3:06:14 PM