lol, whoops.


IMAX: History of Marijuana
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A_f6VpvqiYI

(Government propaganda)
you people will believe anything your congressman tells you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4





OK Here goes a good one I saw on the history channel a week or so ago.
This is the one I was looking for.


History Channel: Hooked - Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way (Vol. 1)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EJr7a7aqEvE

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 12:16 PM. Reason : title]

10/20/2006 12:07:10 PM

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""They're Marihuana weed, a devilish narcotic: and if you smoke them, you go bughouse, loco, and want to raise h--- in general.""

It'll never pass, but I like the NV legislation. Legalize it to reduce the black market appeal, regulate the industry for safety, and use the excise tax money to fund rehab programs. Of course, in reality, the federal government would still step in and work to keep that devil's weed out of the hands of those long-haired hippies.

10/20/2006 12:22:12 PM

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"you people"

That history channel things looks interesting. Use the Firefox extension VideoDownloader to grab it (not just for porn anymore!). Thanks for the link.

10/20/2006 12:27:48 PM

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"This is why people hate stoners, they sit around all damn day talking about how they see the truth when they can't even see that they haven't bathed in a week."

The only people I've known of to not bathe for a week were huge nerds. Never known a "stoner" who didn't ever bathe due to being "stoned." That's retarded.

10/20/2006 12:32:53 PM

my two cents...
im definitely pro legalization...but i dont think its very likely anytime soon. Tobacco and Alcohol are legal drugs and cause a shit load of deaths every year. Tobacco more than all hard drugs COMBINED every year. I dont know the numbers about alcohol but i can only imagine the harmful effects considering the amount of people that drink and drive alone; and honestly accidents involving alcohol usually could be avoided if said alcohol hadnt been involved (i.e. stupid people being really really stupid drunk). The government allows distribution of these drugs and taxes accordingly. They make lots of money off of these products because the public demands them.

So, Ive been reading this book by Noam Chomsky and he mentions a couple times about possible reasons he thinks that the government is not going to allow marijuanna legalized anytime soon. The main one being that marijuanna is a weed, and that anybody (well any educated person that can research for 10 minutes) who wanted to, can grow it. This would be detrimental to any sort of profits the government could make off of it. If it is ever legalized, expect LARGE tax on it. It would still be cheaper, but still.
¨but tobacco is a plant too! so that doesnt make sense!¨
tobacco is a plant that has to be processed and what not, you cant just simply grow it in your back yard, take it off the vine, and smoke it. (well maybe you could, im not claiming to be an expert, but from my knowledge that would not be anywhere near the effect it has in the ¨processed distributed¨ tobacco form.) Also, the american legal system makes a ton of money off of penalizing people for, what i consider, petty possession charges. One could also assume there is a small chance that it is illegal because marijuanna is a common drug and it allows for more societal control if there is a penalty which the gov´t can enforce. There are marijuanna dealers in prison right next to convicted murderers, rapists, and thieves.
Anyways, to end the rant, i dont know anyone thats died or suffered negative long term effects from smoking a joint, blunt, or bong. Not to mention that its a great form of relaxation, which in todays society of work work work could be a healthier alternative than drinking alcohol. Right now the risks of getting caught now (loss of job, loss of respect, etc) far outweigh the benefits of just sticking to the legal alternatives.

I swear I didnt mean to type this much. once again, this is my opinion, that is all.
*And not everybody that smokes is unproductive when doing so...

10/20/2006 12:35:20 PM

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"tobacco is a plant that has to be processed and what not, you cant just simply grow it in your back yard, take it off the vine, and smoke it."

You can't do that with either plant dude.

10/20/2006 12:38:07 PM

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"Also, the american legal system makes a ton of money off of penalizing people for, what i consider, petty possession charges."

The american government wastes millions of dollars in the war on drugs against marijuana. So by legal system do you mean defense lawyers?

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 12:44 PM. Reason : s]

10/20/2006 12:42:12 PM

^^uhh..yes you can. from experience, with weed, you grow, you harvest, and a week or so later, you smoke. the growing is the only real tricky part. there is no "processing" involved other than trimming the leaves and stems.

10/20/2006 12:59:08 PM

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"why are all the poor people smoking pot if it costs $300/ounce when booze has a price per ounce of like 1 cent"

WOW....now that IS the dumbest thing ever posted on TWW!




just wow

10/20/2006 12:59:36 PM

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"the growing is the only real tricky part"

Explain how growing a WEED is tricky.

10/20/2006 1:03:51 PM

Wow, did WEED just get a new definition? I thought it just meant undesirable, etc...
I never knew it also meant easy to grow. hmm, thanks.

I know it's usually associated with a plant that grows wild and takes over your yard, or whatever. But I didn't think it was necessary to have that meaning.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 1:18 PM. Reason : .]

10/20/2006 1:13:04 PM

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"i have a job and a house.. and if my job didnt start doing random drug tests, i would still smoke pot.. its not like i'm gonna get high every day or come to work stoned.. but me smoking a joint on a friday night is no worse than you going to a bar and getting hammered. "

Most pot heads though don't just relegate it to the weekends, like a lot of drinkers. THey get routinely stoned during the weekdays.

I'm not sure where I stand on the issue though of pot legalization. As far as libertarian views go, if alcohol is legal, then any drug no worse than that should also be legal.

But, especially in the lower income community where they are surely a lot of pot users, should the gov. promote something that makes people even more lazy and lethargic? In a lot of ways, we would be promoting a generation of black people (who are mostly poor) to be partaking in something that won't help their situation.

On the other hand, any society requires a certain amount of stratification of job roles, with one strata of people doing lower-income tasks like picking up trash and cleaning up vomit, and the un-motivated pot users would be perfect for that kind of job. But if the group of people is composed largely of minorities and poor people, this move won't stop any complaining by these groups about equal rights.

What the gov. should do is allow Nevada or some state to pass their measure with a known time limit (say, 3-4 years) on its expiration, and then study the effects. If it determines it doesn't harm the economy or society, then they should back off the laws.

10/20/2006 1:27:38 PM

^while I agree with your last statement the rest of your post was full of false stereotypes and hasty generalizations. But thanks for trying to be open minded about it.

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"un-motivated pot users would be perfect for that kind of job."

You would never believe me if I told you all of the "important" people in society that I have smoked with. Doctors, Retired police, Lawyers, and of course myself who graduated summa stoned everyday up through my junior year.

But why is their a liquor store on every corner in the "black" neighbor hoods? [Not in NC, though.]
Does THAT help their situation. How far should the government go to help(read: control) it's people?

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"should the gov. promote something that makes people even more lazy and lethargic? "

Legal control of substance != promote.

Does the government, by control of tobacco and alcohol, necessarily promote the use of it? Are they promoting something that gives people cancer, kills people in car crashes everyday, and is SO addicting that people become chemically dependent on it and can DIE from trying to recover from addiction?



Just like me. I do NOT promote or condone the use of marijuana. I quit smoking it myself for personal reasons and am happy that I did. But I do believe it's not dangerous as they claim and it should be controlled by the government.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 1:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/20/2006 1:36:00 PM

nm

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 1:47 PM. Reason : you answered it.]

10/20/2006 1:46:50 PM

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"You would never believe me if I told you all of the "important" people in society that I have smoked with. Doctors, Retired police, Lawyers, and of course myself who graduated summa stoned everyday up through my junior year. But why is their a liquor store on every corner in the "black" neighbor hoods? [Not in NC, though.] Does THAT help their situation. How far should the government go to help(read: control) it's people? "

I know a bunch of really smart people that smoke pot, and handle it well, and I know a handful more people who smoke pot, and become lazy bums. I'm mostly worried about the ones that are likely to become lazy bums. I also know a few people who use to smoke, and claimed it was bringing them down, so they stopped.

But, another angle I didn't consider as that these people would use marijuana anyway, and that perhaps legalizing it, as the minister in the original article pointed out, would remove it from the realm of the "black market," and not force people to stay behind closed doors with their habit.

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"Legal control of substance != promote. Does the government, by control of tobacco and alcohol, necessarily promote the use of it? Are they promoting something that gives people cancer, kills people in car crashes everyday, and is SO dependent that people can DIE from trying to recover from addiction? "

To answer this question though, yes, the gov. does help promote it by allowing it to be legal. It's mostly people's parents that promote it, but the gov. plays a part. How can a kid hear his parents other adults tell him drinking is bad, but yet the gov. says it's bad only if you're not 21? Kids aren't dumb, they realize the hypocrisy, so they just nod their heads and smile at their parents while doing what they want anyway. It's one of the criticisms European countries have of Americans about drinking.

10/20/2006 1:46:56 PM

I like to think I am the educated person that smokes. CPE and EE with a good job and a good Software company. I dont see anything wrong with toking up every now and then.

10/20/2006 1:55:32 PM

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"It's one of the criticisms European countries have of Americans about drinking."

exactly, they have access to it and choose not to.

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"I know a handful more people who smoke pot, and become lazy bums. "

How do you know they weren't destine to become bums anyway? (post hoc ergo propter hoc)

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" I also know a few people who use to smoke, and claimed it was bringing them down, so they stopped."

Exactly a good reason why weed>alcohol. It is much much easier for people to stop. There is no chemical dependence in MJ you only become psychologically dependent.


This might even be a good substitute for alcoholics. they always trade one vice for another (ie cigs and coffee), but with pot they can quit down the road. never thought about that.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:07 PM. Reason : sp]

10/20/2006 2:03:25 PM

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"uhh..yes you can. from experience, with weed, you grow, you harvest, and a week or so later, you smoke. the growing is the only real tricky part. there is no "processing" involved other than trimming the leaves and stems."

So let's review what he said again:

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"tobacco is a plant that has to be processed and what not, you cant just simply grow it in your back yard, take it off the vine, and smoke it."

You absolutely cannot remove a bud from the "vine" (If that's what one wishes to call it) and smoke it. It does require processing. Trimming, drying, and curing sure as fuck is processing. Jesus fucking christ.


[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:27 PM. Reason : - SaabTurbo]

10/20/2006 2:25:08 PM

yes?

10/20/2006 2:25:47 PM

that argument is retarded anyway

people can also brew their own alcohol at home

10/20/2006 2:28:37 PM

^ Not sure if that was directed to me, but I was responding to mrlebowski's claim that marijuana does not require any sort of processing to be smoked.

If you don't consider trimming, drying, and curing processing then I don't know what to say. You don't smoke wet plant matter whether it's tobacco or marijuana.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:37 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2006 2:30:28 PM

prohibition in the 1920s didn't work

people still brewed alcohol, just like people still grow plants inside their house to 'process them' for smoking

^ I mean yeah, it takes some drying and curing of the plant, but it's not like processesing cigarrettes where chemical additives and shit are put into the product

my point was that the whole argument is just stupid. it's not hard to grow pot or brew alcohol

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:38 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/20/2006 2:36:38 PM

ahh now I see.

I also wanted to note (To mrlebowski) that tobacco was at one time simply picked, dried, cured and then smoked. Essentially the exact process used on marijuana. I do not know the exact detail of the processes currently in use for tobacco, but I'd imagine they're extremely similar (Minus perhaps some extra step involving additives).

I guess my point was that neither requires any more or less processing than the other, and that neither can simply be "Picked off the vine and smoked" as that guy put it. It was a vague statement I guess, and pretty far from the point of the thread.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:52 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2006 2:39:39 PM

yeah that's pretty much what i was getting at

the government is keeping weed illegal because the majority of americans want it to be. it really doesn't matter if it's easy to grow and process or not.

people act as if non-drinkers and cigarette smokers are huge minorities in this country- they really aren't all that numerous, they are just powerful.

cig smokers would raise absolute and utter hell if the gov't pulled the plug on their habbit right now. they may be a minority in this country, but you can rest assured that they aren't going anywhere anytime soon- the gov't won't even try to make them illegal. can you imagine the riot that would ensue the day the ban happend?

on the other hand, while most people don't smoke, there are a lot of people who just don't care for alcoho eitherl- the number was so big during the 1920s that it gained enough clout to ammend the constitution, despite the majority who continued to drink anyway.

cig smokers and non drinkers are powerful minorities because they mean business

pot smokers are not a powerful minority because nobody takes them seriously- they don't even take THEMSELVES seriously! most potheads don't even get out and vote or support their own cause-they suck it up and hide in the corner or do their time when they get busted without a huge stink.

it has little to do with how easy it is to grow, that's all i was saying



[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 3:09 PM. Reason : needed work LOL]

10/20/2006 2:57:34 PM

saab, you and boracho are idiots. I won't get into specifics, but I know what the fuck I'm talking about. You guys must be some real experienced growers based on your comments. anyways...

the "process" of harvesting weed is not all that hard as opposed to tobacco. any idiot could do it. the growing IS the hard part. any idiot can throw some seeds in the dirt and a pot plant will spring up. but if you want to do it right, it takes tons of time and attention. the harvesting is no more than cutting down the plants, hanging them upside down, letting them dry for a week, then trimming them. Not exactly hard to do. So yes, what the original poster was saying is true; it is much easier to grow weed for yourself than tobacco. I can't imagine you can just grow tobacco and cut the leaves off and smoke em. but then again, I've never grown tobacco.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 3:24 PM. Reason : .]

10/20/2006 3:23:09 PM

HEY GUYS I GROW POT

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 3:28 PM. Reason : not me, but some people on here might as well say it.]

10/20/2006 3:28:26 PM

regardless, i think the author of that book is missing the point. we don't live in a communist state where the government entirely controls the means and productions of every consumer product. the government sets standards for alcohol and tobacco products, but private companies are responsible for growing tabacco and brewing alcohol. the gov't hasn't seized control of these industries which have proven to be EXTREMELY profitable, they just tax the shit out them and the consumers. people are confusing federal regulation with federal manufacturing. it's not like the gov't is afraid they would be put out of business by persistant home growers...i mean come on, it's not just about what's the most profitable. there is pretty much only one reason why pot is still illegal today and nobody ever said it was a good one- Americans just don't want pot to be a socially acceptable past time, in part because of fear, but mostly because people dont like pot. period. if weed were made legal, all the government would do is set standards, let private business do the dirty work and wait around for the taxes to roll in.

honestly, it's the US government we're talking about here. the govt consistantly does a terrible job of managing money, but citizens are usually willing to let it slide as long as the popular mentality prevails in the long run.

blame the government all you want for marijuana becoming illegal in the first place, but just remember that society still continues to be okay with it...

10/20/2006 3:46:33 PM

^^^ You're going off on a pretty random rant there. The only thing I've been saying is you can't pull a bud off a live plant and smoke it 2 seconds later.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 3:50 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2006 3:50:03 PM

again, why does that matter?

10/20/2006 3:52:40 PM

someone said you could...he/she was just refuting that statement.

10/20/2006 3:53:24 PM

I don't grow pot, but I have no problem saying that I have in the past.

^and yes, you're right. but, really, you could if you wanted. you could stick it in the microwave for a couple seconds and you're good to go.

10/20/2006 3:55:05 PM

but if you use a microwave, you arent smoking it right after you pick it of the plant now are you?

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 3:56 PM. Reason : df]

10/20/2006 3:56:26 PM

actually an oven works better

10/20/2006 3:58:57 PM

depends on what you consider right after. I consder one minute "right after"

10/20/2006 4:02:59 PM

i bet you do

10/20/2006 4:04:41 PM

damn, got me there

10/20/2006 4:06:24 PM

You can absolutely pull a bud (or fan leaves) off of a plant and smoke them in short order. Anyone who has ever grown their own has put their trimmings in the microwave for 10-15 seconds and fired them up immediately afterward. Im not saying it tastes like the bomb, but it does the job. Sure, people cure their best buds in the freezer and in jars and shit, but you dont have to.

Furthermore, you can do the exact same shit with tobacco. I am not sure that hanging it upside down on your shed door in the sun counts as "processing".

When I roll a chicken leg in cornmeal and chuck it in the frydaddy, I dont call it goddam processed chicken.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 4:48 PM. Reason : I didnt realize 3 ppl had already said this. I should read more and talk less]

10/20/2006 4:40:27 PM

hey its me! the idiot that claimed you could smoke pot immediately after taking it off the vine...

i reread my post and just want to say that i didnt mean literally right after...my point was (the point of the guy i was talking about actually) that the simplicity to successfully grow marijuanna is far greater than for tobacco. I feel some people saw this and some didn´t. Just wanted to speak up since what i wrote was taken differently than I had intended and people were getting a little slam-happy...i still think its a valid argument too, imo. Not the ONLY reason, but a valid one to be CONSIDERED.

10/20/2006 4:49:06 PM

double post because i still love you all

10/20/2006 4:50:06 PM

i'll stay out of this one

10/20/2006 5:17:33 PM

its funny that weed as such is defined AS a weed, and in fact growsw wild on its own in some places inc nc.

10/21/2006 9:02:42 AM

meth is a gateway drug

10/21/2006 12:43:00 PM

Quote :

"Explain how growing a WEED is tricky."

there are certain techniques to get as much yield of thc as you can. some are harder than others.



[Edited on October 22, 2006 at 7:04 AM. Reason : .]

10/22/2006 6:54:36 AM

^but if it is legal, you are not being pressed to get the most out of 1 plant. It if is legal, just grow more plants!

10/22/2006 7:30:43 AM

^^ Certian growing techniques can make it hard but it also grows on its own



I could claim growing kudzu is hard because I'm trying to use "certian growing techinques."

10/22/2006 10:48:01 AM

to mrlebowski growing and harvesting weed is comparable to tobacco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco

most of the "processing" is turning tobacco into rolled and packaged cigarettes

10/22/2006 10:54:42 AM

10/24/2006 8:23:20 PM

Why marijuana should be legal and controlled by state and why said state should legalize/control.

1) It is easier for kids to get their hands on marijuana than alcohol. Well for me in middle school there were kids slingin' weed but not alky. Then in high school one could EASILY buy weed, but if you wanted beer you had to know someone > 21, mary jane is jailbait regardless of age. In my personal experience, it was much easier to get weed than to get beer (pre 21 ofcourse)... until I met a mexican that would buy me beer for a 40oz.

2) Every marijuana purchase would be taxed. In theory anyways... while the gov't is SPENDING money hunting weed, they could be MAKING money from it. No matter how you look at it, money could be made (or saved) by legalizing and controlling.

3) First to grow balls. Think about N.C. pre-lottery. Think about all the people driving up to VA or down to SC to buy lottery tickets. Now imagine that on WEED.

4) NOT A GATEWAY DRUG NOW!!! Then nobody could claim its a gateway drug b/c now its legal and it would be like calling cigs, alky, or Rx gateway drugs. Save a pothead from trying cocaine, heroine, crack, angel dust, crank, x... LEGALIZE.

The only people that would vote against it would be... a drug dealer.

[Edited on November 3, 2006 at 1:34 AM. Reason : ]

11/3/2006 1:28:03 AM