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"they're getting an office in Talley, that's it."

10/22/2006 11:59:54 AM

fuck diversity "planning" or "coordinators" or all that bullshit.
Diversity should happen on its own.
I mean its nice to have cultural activities to keep heritage alive etc., but when you have black this and black that and all, its just promoting to the overall separation from the campus as a whole.
Oh, and all I can say is that I am glad I am not at State anymore to even consider my fees (well Uncle Roy's fees) are going to such bullshit.

10/22/2006 12:00:26 PM

Fags are gay.

10/22/2006 12:01:17 PM

Thou speaketh the truth.

[Edited on October 22, 2006 at 12:06 PM. Reason : th]

10/22/2006 12:05:52 PM

^^^

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"yeah bringing in speakers and stuff to promote acceptance only makes those blacks and fags feel empowered and then we have to deal with thim. it was easier back in the day when they knew their place so everyone could pretend like everything was ok and exclude them from this "american culture" that we could later accuse them of threatening."

10/22/2006 12:07:09 PM

click clack

10/22/2006 12:20:03 PM

uppity fags dont know their place

10/22/2006 12:22:24 PM

Gay people
eh eh eh eh
Straight people
do do do do

10/22/2006 12:40:31 PM

My friends and I have a whole system of racial-classifying noises and movements that stem from the white people/black people flash.

10/22/2006 12:44:03 PM

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"other than a few classes there, and maybe a few faculty members, there wasn't much in witherspoon that i could recall as race specific."

Then what exactly do you call "The African American Student Union?"

And for everyone bitching and saying "Well we have a black student union and fat people center, etc..."

If the question had been about funding one of those, I would have told you it was a waste of our fees. But the question wasn't about them, it was about this one, so it too is a waste of our fees. Just because we started a trend of wasting fees doesn't mean we are forced to follow it.


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"But when I saw that over five hundred people could rally together on facebook against it, I became for it."

Is the dumbest statement ever made. Let me paraphrase it: When I found out how unpopular is was, I decided it must be necessary.
Well so I guess legalizing murder is on your agenda, because people will rally against that kind of law too.

10/22/2006 1:02:45 PM

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"I was kind of undecided on the bill because it was sounded sorta like "gays are pansy & need extra consideration." But when I saw that over five hundred people could rally together on facebook against it, I became for it. I'm not sure how much gays at ncsu need this center, but its something that much of the rest of the population in the area needs apparently."

If it was a really long quote, I wouldn’t be as bothered by whittling it down a bit. Or if your response had been to the entire idea built upon by the three sentences, I wouldn’t be bothered by it.

But you took it down to one sentence, and then misread it. I don’t know whether it was b/c you didn’t understand it, or just thought that would make the best attack.

It was only 3 sentences that were trying to get across the point that while I didn’t thing gays needed this center very much… the people around them might need some attitude adjustment that could come with the kind of tolerance events such a center would hold. My evidence of this need was that hundreds of people instead not caring strongly as usual when it comes to ncsu bureaucracy, decided they needed to band together on the internet against it.

Your misreading however would be as bad as if I were to come back at your post by saying “I never said anything about murder, and I don’t appreciate you accusing me of it.”

10/22/2006 1:32:47 PM

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"If the question had been about funding one of those, I would have told you it was a waste of our fees. But the question wasn't about them, it was about this one, so it too is a waste of our fees. Just because we started a trend of wasting fees doesn't mean we are forced to follow it. "

why is that people only get angry when student funds go to minority groups. student funding is handed out to many student organizations, wheres the outrage for all of those?

10/22/2006 2:04:33 PM

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"click clack"

i think you hear us coming?

10/22/2006 2:24:53 PM

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"they're getting an office in Talley, that's it"

maybe someone will read it this time.

10/22/2006 3:37:54 PM

^ needs more cowbell,

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10/22/2006 6:45:45 PM

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"why is that people only get angry when student funds go to minority groups. student funding is handed out to many student organizations, wheres the outrage for all of those? "

Because funding for all-inclusive non-discriminatory clubs is fine. It's the compartmentalizing causes that bother us. And being gay doesn't make you a minority any more than being born a genius. Its an attribute, not an ethnicity.

10/22/2006 8:29:34 PM

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"mi?nor?i?ty /m?'n?r?ti, -'n?r, -ma?-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mi-nawr-i-tee, -nor, -mahy-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural -ties, adjective –noun 1. the smaller part or number; a number, part, or amount forming less than half of the whole. 2. a smaller party or group opposed to a majority, as in voting or other action."

10/22/2006 8:36:01 PM

this isnt compartmentalizing, this isnt a group that you wont be allowed into. its not even a club really. its giving a minority group that is often discriminated against the ability to bring in speakers and plan things so that we arent the 17th worst university for gays. thats all this is. this will have absolutely zero effect on your life, but you oppose it because they are gay.

and gays are a minority... so yes being gay would make you a minority. and in addition to that its a minority that even today is still discriminated against and persecuted. sure some (very few) people have reasons why they dont like this that have nothing to do with sexual orientation, but how fast that facebook group filled up with ignorant rednecks with confederate flags in their profile is just more proof about why this is needed. in a few days those ignorant bigots will have forgotten about this but the center will remain to help out students for years and hopefully remove us from that embarrasing ranking in the ap review.

[Edited on October 22, 2006 at 8:37 PM. Reason : just admit you dont like it because you are a bigot]

10/22/2006 8:36:52 PM

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"this isnt compartmentalizing, this isnt a group that you wont be allowed into."

You're right, it isn't a group I won't be allowed into. But they aren't exactly flying the welcome flag either.

Also, you don't know my motives for opposing this club, so don't be so arrogant as to think you do. I am one of these people that doesn't think the University needs to help fund any group that seeks to set itself and its members apart based on race, sexual orientation, religion or ethnic background. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with them being gay.

10/22/2006 8:46:58 PM

please explain how educating the entire university community on these issues is being exclusive

just because you arent comfortable with a group doesnt mean they arent welcoming. i mean i would probably feel a little weird going into a meeting for the egyptian student association but that doesnt mean they are being exclusive or are compartmentalizing.

10/22/2006 8:52:24 PM

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"But they aren't exactly flying the welcome flag either."

EVERYONE WELCOME HERE

do you even know anything about ANY of the University Diversity Resources?

10/22/2006 8:54:25 PM

haha i forgot about that

turns out they literally are flying the welcome flag

10/22/2006 8:55:28 PM

10/22/2006 8:59:08 PM

10/22/2006 9:01:53 PM

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"and gays are a minority... so yes being gay would make you a minority. and in addition to that its a minority that even today is still discriminated against and persecuted. sure some (very few) people have reasons why they dont like this that have nothing to do with sexual orientation, but how fast that facebook group filled up with ignorant rednecks with confederate flags in their profile is just more proof about why this is needed. in a few days those ignorant bigots will have forgotten about this but the center will remain to help out students for years and hopefully remove us from that embarrasing ranking in the ap review."

White, straight males are a minority as well and we're perhaps the most hated of any group. I mean, why does white pride have the connotation of hate whereas anyone else proud of their culture is simply embracing who they are? Hell, there are laws out there specifically aimed at discriminating against us such as Affirmative Action.

I'm not against minorities, but if there is a center for various ethnicities, the female gender, and in the future homosexuals, then there should be a center for straight, white men with an equal per capita funding dedicated to bringing in speakers and planning events as well. To do otherwise is prejudiced and hypocritical.

10/22/2006 10:16:51 PM

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"White, straight males are a minority as well and we're perhaps the most hated of any group."

thats as far as i got

10/22/2006 10:24:52 PM

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"no different than funding office space for the fat people center we already have in the Student Health building..."

for those of you still complaining.

[Edited on October 22, 2006 at 10:28 PM. Reason : .]

10/22/2006 10:25:05 PM

^^^

Have you ever heard of fraternity court? There's a couple of whiteboy clubs to join on that road.

10/22/2006 10:29:03 PM

there is a fat people center?

10/22/2006 10:34:46 PM

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"then there should be a center for straight, white men with an equal per capita funding dedicated to bringing in speakers and planning events as well"

hahaha awesome, they can get a "EVERYTHING IS STILL OK!!!!" alarm

10/22/2006 10:38:01 PM

I agree, that would be awesome.

10/22/2006 10:41:35 PM

remember that time when white heterosexual males were ridiculed and made to feel like second class citizens in their own country or school or town or out in public or what have you?

10/22/2006 10:50:21 PM

You're talking about present day, correct? I mean, nothing says second class citizen quite like failing to get into a university or get a job over someone with worser qualifications. I say that partly in jest because I realize we haven't had it as bad as many groups, but it has become all too easy in today's society to blame our group for what's wrong with society.

What I want to know is that are these groups that expect special centers (women, African Americans, Latin Americans, Asian Americans, homosexuals) feeling as though they are "ridiculed and made to feel like second class citizens in their own country or school or town or out in public or what have you?" Maybe I'm ignorant--I'm not beyond denying it--but I would like to hear personal stories of where people have experienced actual prejudism. From my vantage, it's simply not that highly prevalent in society compared to generations ago.

But ultimately my argument is over equality: no one being treated higher or lower than anyone else. That is certainly not the message conveyed whenever one group believes they need special treatment such as a center dedicated to them. In the name of equality, isn't it reasonable that every group should get a center if they want one?

10/22/2006 11:07:19 PM

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"worser qualifications"

10/22/2006 11:29:42 PM

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"Maybe I'm ignorant--I'm not beyond denying it--but I would like to hear personal stories of where people have experienced actual prejudism."

i think the comments made in the anti-LGBT center facebook group sums up that.

10/22/2006 11:30:41 PM

Bah, that's twice I've used the word "worser" on here, simply a part of my vernacular. I guess it's never used down here, but look it up, it's in most dictionaries!

The comments made in the anti-LGBT center facebook group primarily say the same things as the replies here: it is a waste of our fees. If there are any hate comments, it's spurred on because of the audacity of the proposition. Trust me, if there was a serious proposition that made it as far as the LGBT bill for a white, heterosexual male center there would be tremendous accusations of racism and comments on forums about white supremacy. It would get serious national media coverage as well and probably under significant ridicule. Honestly, how many universities are there with a special center for white, heterosexual males? I'd guess the number is near zero.

10/22/2006 11:48:11 PM

WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL?

10/22/2006 11:57:03 PM

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"Honestly, how many universities are there with a special center for white, heterosexual males?"

What kind of needs do they have? Are they the targets of hate crimes? rape? do people yell "OMG ITS A WHITE MALE" like they might yell at a gay person if they are seen in a certain location? What special needs do white heterosexual males have that need to be filled by counseling? If you don't think gays are still facing issues of equality in this country, you're wrong. Just last year, in Tampa, Fla., where I used to live, they passed an ordinance banning a gay pride display at the public library, citing specifically that it was "inappropriate to have in a place with so many children".

The big question is, what need would be filled by making a center for white heterosexual males, a group that for all intents and purposes, doesnt face the social consequences that females and homosexuals could possibly face. If a woman is raped or sexually abused, she can go to the women's center. if a homosexual is threatened, he/she can go to this center. what issues might the heterosexual white male face that is so prevalent in today's society that can be helped by counselors trained to handle "hetero white male issues"?

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 12:09 AM. Reason : .]

10/23/2006 12:02:24 AM

i like how they want a "safe place"... the thing is if someone wanted to go kick the crap out of a gay person, because they were gay, all they have to do is sit outside the building and wait for someone to walk out...

oh, that and the whole idea of having a place to go is only promoting "seperate but equal"...

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 12:18 AM. Reason : ]

10/23/2006 12:11:48 AM

^^ i think that is well put.

10/23/2006 12:18:28 AM

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"oh, that and the whole idea of having a place to go is only promoting "seperate but equal""

wow, you need to go read a book

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 12:26 AM. Reason : preferably a history book]

10/23/2006 12:20:13 AM

As I stated earlier, I understand the argument over whether student fees should be used to build this. However, also as stated earlier, this will be in an already existing building in an existing office. Fees will be involved, yes, and I don't necissarily agree that they should be used involuntarily for such a project (though they've been used for much more useless things in the past). I would think the best scenario would be that the university provides the space and the rest of the funding was left up to contributions from individuals, organizations, businesses, etc. An NC State LGBT center sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign or GLAAD or even Target or Ford Motors or Miller Brewing (ha, yeah right, not at NC State) would be just fine.


[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

10/23/2006 12:49:37 AM

And there we are: complete insensitivity to other people's troubles while demanding others be concerned about yours. I've acknowledged that other people have to go through struggles, I've admitted many are worse than those faced by white men. But to make the assumption that straight white men have no needs is ridiculous. We all have needs and have to face the possibility of being the victim of hate crimes. Not everyone loves white men, obviously. The more we divide ourselves over stupid things like "centers," the more we contribute to the segregation of society.

Honestly, I was reading Facebook because I wanted to thoroughly understand your point, but besides various quotes from the Bible condemning one group or another, the only truly offensive post was from someone who actually posted in support of the LGBT center. She, in an attempt to persuade those against it, made the horrendously idiotic point that the center would give homosexuals a place to be so they wouldn't be around the people that are against them. How in the Hell does that help things? I can't imagine the point of making this building is to isolate the LGBT community, but that's how some will see it.

And I'd have to know more about the gay pride display, but is there any possibility that it was actually indecent? I mean, often times gay pride parades have people marching in what amounts to lingerie, and if they were to display pictures from such an event it would be inappropriate. It is also a display celebrating one's sexuality, which isn't so kosher whether gay or otherwise. It's the society we live in, I'd be shocked to see a heterosexual pride display be allowed under the same circumstances.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 12:56 AM. Reason : LGBTYVM]

10/23/2006 12:53:00 AM

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"making this building"

no one is making a building

10/23/2006 12:57:04 AM

Wow...






Just, wow...





I am speechless at your ignorance.

10/23/2006 12:58:17 AM

Eh, I was tired of using the word "center" so I swapped it out for "building." I realize the intent is to clear space within an existing building, making doesn't necessarily imply creating an entire building. Some of you get too caught up on insignificant details and avoid the topic being debated.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 1:02 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/23/2006 1:00:17 AM

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"Bah, that's twice I've used the word "worser" on here, simply a part of my vernacular. I guess it's never used down here, but look it up, it's in most dictionaries! "

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"wors?er /'w?rs?r/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[wur-ser] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective, adverb Nonstandard. worse."

sorry for the interuption, please continue your ignorant hate-mongering

10/23/2006 1:07:23 AM

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"complete insensitivity to other people's troubles while demanding others be concerned about yours."

Insensitivity to what troubles? If you wish to provide a clear reason why we do/don't need a center, you'll need some evidence that there are major problems being faced by a specific group. that's what brought about this center: concern over published accounts of an unfriendly environment, one that reflects negatively on the university as a whole.

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"I've acknowledged that other people have to go through struggles, I've admitted many are worse than those faced by white men."

ok, fair enough. why not provide support/help for those issues? would this not help one better their time at the university as they prepare for a career?

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"But to make the assumption that straight white men have no needs is ridiculous. We all have needs and have to face the possibility of being the victim of hate crimes. Not everyone loves white men, obviously."

Ok, well, you'll need to provide evidence that this is a pressing matter here at NC State if you wish to continue to use this as a point of contention.

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"The more we divide ourselves over stupid things like "centers," the more we contribute to the segregation of society."

The center is not meant to separate, it is meant to support and help anyone who wishes to gain more knowledge about a specific type of person they might be encoutering for the first time and be ignorant about. It also provides specific support for specific problems that are pressing at this university. A naitonal publication published, based on various accounts gathered from a sampling of nc state students, found that the attitudes toward lgbt persons on campus was very poor, not a good sign to project to prospective students, more specifically ones who are lgbt or friendly towards those persons. such a center will hopefully improve lgbt relations at a university which apparently has a problem with such relations.

As for the display, it was a simple display consisting of books written by various homosexual authors (Oscar Wilde, Marcelle Proust, Truman Capote, etc) which was placed in the library on the decision of the library itself, not a governing body trying to force an agenda. The councilmember who started the campaign for it to be banned specifically cited that it was inappropriate to mention homosexuality in the presence of children.

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 1:13 AM. Reason : .]

10/23/2006 1:10:23 AM

and once again:

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10/23/2006 1:23:31 AM

Yes, it is nonstandard and I wouldn't deny that, just a habit of my speech.

I can see your point about not meaning to separate, but I'd like you to take a look at events hosted by the African American center and fraternities for examples. In both cases the events are highly segregated along racial lines. I don't suspect that the LGBT center would be any different in terms of how you would see lines drawn.

I honestly don't hate anyone. I have lived with a homosexual roommate and had no problem with him. In my opinion anyone should be free to do whatever they want to do as long as they are not abusing the rights of others. Using money that people pay to the university is infringing upon their rights, and I would have no problem with an LGBT center if their proposed financial source didn't involve those who don't support it.

And I agree with you on that display. If it was just a group of books written by homosexual authors then there is no reason to take down the display. Hell, they're kidding themselves if they think kids would go anywhere near those books anyways.

Also, I agree that gay people may have more reason to have a center. But what makes NC State University so gay un-friendly? Is it because they have no LGBT center? If so, that's pretty backwards thinking. I mean, if there are hate crimes perpetrated against students more commonly here than across the nation then I can understand the rating.

BTW, would you agree to a Caucasian American Center at a university such as Shaw or a Men's Center at a place such as Meredith?

[Edited on October 23, 2006 at 1:30 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/23/2006 1:27:18 AM