i think death proof is more of a revenge movie than kill bill. pure exploitative awesomeness.

4/7/2007 11:29:24 AM

The Machete trailer was just absolute kick-ass. I hope to god they make a Grind House 2 that includes this movie. The She-Werewolf Nazi one was pretty cheesy (which I think was the point), and the Thanksgiving one was funny but painful to watch at times.

I liked both movies for their merits, Planet Terror being a mindless gory action zombie flick and Death Proof being a suspense thriller. I can't really think of any way that Planet Terror could have been any better. As for Death Proof, I will agree with criticisms that it did suffer from slow pacing and fairly pointless dialogue. However, that's simply a part of Tarantino's style. Either you like it or you don't, and even then it works better for some movies than others (ie it was great in Pulp Fiction). However, it really did help to you care about the characters and did flesh them out as real people with real lives as opposed to just nameless victims in another murder flick.

Just a quick question. If you use a rifle as a leg, isn't that going to ruin the barrel?

[Edited on April 7, 2007 at 12:15 PM. Reason : damn typos]

4/7/2007 12:11:12 PM

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"it really did help to you care a about the characters "

nope, not really

they were talking so much and nothing was happening that i was hoping they'd all die soon b/c they were pretty annoying

and then it ended and i was pissed

but maybe i was just tired and was ready for something exciting to happen

[Edited on April 7, 2007 at 12:15 PM. Reason : sadg]

4/7/2007 12:13:05 PM

i think we can all agree that Don't was the weakest of the fake trailers.

4/7/2007 1:00:47 PM

Went and saw Grindhouse today. I must admit this was a great movie. One of the best I've saw in awhile. Being a fan of mondo, gore, grindhouse, or whatever you care to call them, this movie is about the best (representation) we are going to get during our time. The shots were amazing, and the pointlessness of the movie actually worked well. I do agree with everyone about Death Proof. The one continuous or strung out shot was a little tiring, but it set up everything well. The first part appealed to the gore hounds, and the last film appealed to the car chase fanatics.
The movie was set up to capture the essence of these old movies. Planet Terror set out to cover the gore, zombie, action films, while I felt that Death Proof followed in the likeness of I Spit On Your Grave. Where women become the killers, and go ape shit. The way the film was shot was great, with the fake tailors, the intermission, the burning film and missing reel parts. This film is going to appeal to certain people though, some people will come out wondering how she fired the gun or looking at small details that make no sense. These films weren't about being super correct, they were about exploitation. Pure and simple; sex, sex, sex, gore, gore, gore. The tailors were actually better then I was imagining. The Thanksgiving one was crazy, the last shot of that killer fucking the turkey with the woman's head on it was fucked up.

4/7/2007 7:39:26 PM

4/7/2007 8:13:38 PM

^I agree. If anything "Death Proof" was not a grindhouse flick at all. In fact, neither of them were. They defined grindhouse films as cheap low-budget movies with no name actors and sex and violence. What do you have here? Hidden behind the "fake" scratches on the screen were million-dollar explosions, big name actors, etc......

[Edited on April 7, 2007 at 9:27 PM. Reason : edit: and where the fuck was the exploitative sex anyway? there was more nudity in the fake trailers]

4/7/2007 9:27:21 PM

I think thats why I said this is the best "representation" we'll get of these movies. I sure as hell don't see anything like those old movies coming out and being allowed.

4/7/2007 9:34:28 PM

who wants them?

glorified and gorified B movies, i'm sure as hell not going to sit there for 3 hours in a movie theater watching them...

this, was entertaining... it was fun (and that's something i haven't really called a movie-theater-experience in a while)... what i saw made me forget about the fact that i was sitting in a theater for 3 hours, a bunch of B movies aren't going to do that...

*p.s., i also want Machette to be made... and apparently, so would Rodriguez http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985694/

[Edited on April 7, 2007 at 11:41 PM. Reason : /]

4/7/2007 11:34:57 PM

finally saw it and WOW

they were both great, all the Death Proof dialogue did sometimes get a lil tedious, but the car scenes more than made up for that.

4/7/2007 11:43:03 PM

^^ See my thread about this

4/7/2007 11:46:23 PM

Good grief some of you people are impossible to please. I can certainly see the point that these technically aren't true "grind house" movies since they are not low budget, have big-name actors, and have pretty much no sexploitation. But like timswar said, it was just suppose to be 3 hours of fun. It's just suppose to be what a grind house film could have been like given that it had a bigger budget. It's just like every other action/slasher/whatever movie that come out every year; a tiny amount of plot that serves as an excuse to do cheap thrills and over-the-top special effects, all in the name of entertainment. I know I said some stuff about "you get to care about the characters" and all that jazz, but that's just icing on the cake. We could have easily learned nothing about any of the girls. Death Proof could have just as easily been all car-crashing and no dialog.

Some of you act like these movies were suppose to be super super serious re-creations of those kinds of movies, but at that point the film starts to take itself far too seriously, when it's really just suppose to be about cheap thrills. If anything, all this movie does is pay homage to its predecessors. For example, Kill Bill was Tarantino's tribute to all those cheesy kung-fu films from the '70's. He borrowed a bunch of techniques and shit that were used for those sort of movies, but he didn't re-create them frame-by-frame. I'm sure they also didn't get nearly the amount of budget that Tarantino was commanding.

I dunno, I really enjoyed both films. I'll agree that there were some problems, but it seems to me that there's rarely a "perfect" movie that nobody will take fault with, as well as everyone having different tastes. But I personally think that this is one of those movies where you're suppose to turn off your brain, be quiet, and be entertained, and that some of you are being way too mental about it.

[Edited on April 7, 2007 at 11:53 PM. Reason : blah]

4/7/2007 11:52:50 PM

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"i think we can all agree that Don't was the weakest of the fake trailers."

i wasn't feelin Werewolf Women til Nick Cage showed up, haha

4/8/2007 12:20:00 AM

^^ I'm not saying they weren't fun. Hell, I had a great time watching them. I'm saying to the people blowing Quentin Tarantino in this thread that "Death Proof" wasn't as AMAAAAAAZING as they say it is.

4/8/2007 12:35:28 AM

Fair enough.

Well, I don't want to say that I "blow" Tarantino. I'll agree that his movie suffered from a couple of pacing issues. But the pointless dialog and such are fairly characteristic of his movies. Like I said, that's simply part of his style. Some people can tolerate it and others can't. I am in the camp of those who can.

4/8/2007 12:42:22 AM

i thought death proof was pretty amaaaaaaazing, the car chase was one of the best and most exciting i've seen.

and i bet some stupid kids are going to die trying to sailboat or whatever it's called after seeing this

4/8/2007 2:51:54 AM

I thought the most hilarious part was that Tarantino played a role in both films.

Did anyone notice in the credits where it says "Mr. Tarantino's Chef ....... Whatever his name was" and then below it said "Mr. Rodriguez's Chef ........ Robert Rodriguez"?

Probably my favorite part of the movie.

4/8/2007 4:55:10 AM

ha, i thought i was the only one who noticed that....i was waiting to see if there was anything after the credits (at least to see what happened to mary elizabeth winstead (cheerleader girl))

4/8/2007 10:19:25 AM

I'll say this much, Tarantino's foot fetish was in full force.

4/8/2007 10:56:20 AM

haha they said big kahuna burger.

4/8/2007 11:37:51 AM

and there were red apple cigarettes, tarantino's made up cig brand i think

and QT said tasty beverage i think, reminded me of Sam L in pulp

4/8/2007 12:58:43 PM

[Edited on April 8, 2007 at 1:17 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/8/2007 1:17:02 PM

I agree with what umbrellaman said, and what timswar said. Not many people would want to see these movies, not many people wanted them then or now. Each genre of movie appeals to a different type of person. I do agree that these could not be labeled grindhouse flicks because of the large sums of money put into them and other things. I also agree that these movies were about fun, and like timswar said, this is something I haven't had in awhile. To many movies try to sike you out, or are too deep sometimes. There is nothing like a movie where you can just zone out and watch without having to worry about analyzing the shit out of every moment to understand it.
This was not supposed to be a serious recreation of these old movies. I think this was just meant to carry the essence of these movies into a different time. I do agree that the sexplotation was not there. They cut out the scenes of "Butterfly" giving the lap dance to "Stunt Man Mike" and a few other scenes which should have been left in there to add some spice or something.
Fuck whoever made Death Proof. I enjoyed it because of the cars. I didn't give a shit who made it, nor am I blowing him or giving him credit or whatever. I just enjoyed the hell out of the sounds, the action, and the cars.
Every is entitled to their opinion. Either way i enjoyed it.

[Edited on April 8, 2007 at 1:56 PM. Reason : durrhhh]

4/8/2007 1:52:38 PM

I like the strategic film messup when the cheerleader does the split so we can't see her pussy

[Edited on April 8, 2007 at 2:15 PM. Reason : in thanksgiving]

4/8/2007 2:14:59 PM

^Yeah, and then she lands her cooch right on the muderer's knife point. Goddamn that was uncomfortable to watch.

4/8/2007 2:57:34 PM

I just want to know what song was going to be under the lap dance scene.

4/8/2007 4:27:35 PM

Saw it this weekend. Fucking Awesome! I actually liked Death Proof better, and I will not "blow" QT. They were both great, though, really. I waited after the credits to see if there was more, and was sad that there wasn't. I expected more...Good times, though, good times...

4/8/2007 5:58:30 PM

first movie good, second movie suck...wait for dvd

4/8/2007 6:39:09 PM

what's the guy's name in the machete animated gif in a post up there ^

he's one of the bounty hunters in devil's rejects...along with DDP

4/8/2007 6:48:33 PM

he's played that role in everything.

4/8/2007 6:57:09 PM

Did anyone else notice the lesbian lover of the docter's wife, that was the first to die to zombies, was Fergie?? I about laughed my ass off when I saw her in this movie, lawl. Anyway, awesome film(s) go see it, definately worth the 5 dollars and some change.

4/8/2007 8:31:51 PM

^^^ danny trejo

besides the red apples and the big kahuna burger, there's a shit-ton of little stuff from kill bill beyond the sheriff and son #1, my favorite being that lee's cheerleader uniform says "vipers"

4/8/2007 9:02:52 PM

^^ at least they didn't have to fake the lack of brain in Fergie. But I have to admit she was wearing a LOT less makeup than I've seen her wear.

4/8/2007 9:21:04 PM

watched it tonight, thought it was great, a few thoughts.

they should have reversed the order in which they were shown, i think the overall experience would have been much better.

loved planet terror, deathproof was alright, i think Tarintino tried to out-Tarintino himself if that makes any sense, he did his usual style, but i just dont think the dialog was up to par with his previous films, so it seemed really slow, but i loved the ending.

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"i think we can all agree that Don't was the weakest of the fake trailers."

you obviously have never seen an actual grindhouse trailer, most tend to just repeat the title over, and over, and over, and over again, i thought it was fucking hilarious because it was spot on.

4/8/2007 10:56:54 PM

The other thing that was spot on was how they pluged in Shiner Bock to nearly every bar scene in death proof. Tarentino definately did his homework there, because the Texans are proud to have that beer and pretty much everyone drinks it.

4/8/2007 11:03:22 PM

true that, its pretty good too.

4/8/2007 11:03:48 PM

Don't was the one that won the contest, so I imagine it was probably the one that got the most monetary backing. Rob Zombie and Eli Roth probably had more means to create a better trailer.

But I still really liked Don't.

4/8/2007 11:06:44 PM

Hobo With a Shotgun won that competition, Don't was directed by Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz director Edgar Wright

4/8/2007 11:13:12 PM

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"you obviously have never seen an actual grindhouse trailer, most tend to just repeat the title over, and over, and over, and over again, i thought it was fucking hilarious because it was spot on."

it just wasn't as funny as the other trailers, period. and where the hell was Hobo With a Shotgun?

4/9/2007 1:10:36 AM

i thought it was just as funny as the other ones, and they hit the nail on the head with what they were trying to do

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"old trailers for foreign films that would come to theaters during the late 60s and 70s. Because they wouldn't want to reveal to audiences that it was a foreign film with accents (even British ones), the trailer would cut just before any of the characters would speak, and would be extremely heavy on narration from the announcer."

but i can understand if you havent seen very many like that, it wouldnt be as good.

and i dont know what happened to Hobo with a Shotgun, i know it won, but i guess i was misinformed when i heard the winner would be in the movie.

[Edited on April 9, 2007 at 2:11 AM. Reason : $$$]

4/9/2007 2:08:08 AM

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"Hobo With a Shotgun"

Where was that? I don't remember seeing that trailer...

4/9/2007 2:28:22 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LlazPgxKrA

it came in first at the competition they had at SXSW, and i had heard the winner was going to be in the film, but it was not

4/9/2007 2:30:05 AM

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"wangankiller (47 minutes ago) I just go to see the movie today, and all of a sudden they play this before the actual movie shows up, the whole theatre was LOL. NeoHuman666 (56 minutes ago) Funniest Trailers of Grindhouse and is only shown in Canada. Jeffrey12345678910 (4 hours ago) Wow man this is weird, I live in Halifax, real close to where this was actually filmed, I relised a lot of the places where they were and I even recognize the Hobo, not like this is huge or anything but I'm definatly asking him if he was the Hobo in Hobo with a shotgun, I see him around quite a bit and he looks dead on. I read an article about this, Aliance Atlantis is really looking into this, you might even see a full length film. "

4/9/2007 2:37:12 AM

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"Hobo With A Shotgun is a parody trailer made by the fictional Dartmouth Pictures. The trailer was directed by Jason Eisner, who has made claims that Hobo may be made into a budget feature-length movie. The trailer won the SXSW Grindhouse trailer competition, and is currently showing with Grindhouse nationwide in Canada."

It was made in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, which explains why it is playing with the Canadian release.

[Edited on April 9, 2007 at 2:43 AM. Reason : !]

4/9/2007 2:41:07 AM

Saw it.. loved it. What happens to the scientist at the end in planet terror was funny as hell..

[Edited on April 9, 2007 at 12:24 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2007 12:23:59 PM

lol it was as purposely entertaining as it was supposed to be...

nice and mindless.....

i got a kick out of the random explosions.....

4/9/2007 2:19:33 PM

One of the worst movie I ever had to watch.

R's flim was ok. But Tarantino's was shitty! Plain old shit! Did he write that on crack? It had so much pointless conversations, and the characters are so inconsistent. I thought I was being tortured to watch it.

It's not creative. And why is it in everyone of Tarantino's films there's girls getting abused in some way? He should never write lines for women again, because that's not how they talk. I swear if you switched the girls with douch bag looking guys in the film, I wouldn't know the difference.



[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 10:07 AM. Reason : .]

4/11/2007 10:05:00 AM

You sound like Rodger Ebert, and that's not a good thing.

4/11/2007 10:22:39 AM

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"Did anyone notice in the credits where it says "Mr. Tarantino's Chef ....... Whatever his name was" and then below it said "Mr. Rodriguez's Chef ........ Robert Rodriguez"? Probably my favorite part of the movie."

I think on the special features to Once Upon a Time in Mexico, Rodriguez includes a short video/recipe showing him cooking something really tasty. He must be a good cook.

4/11/2007 11:18:01 AM

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/what-went-so-wrong-with-grindhouse/
Basically, movie is doing bad because people dont like 3+ hour movies, so they are considering rereleasing it as two movies in a few weeks (and also, you can pay $9 x 2 to see it). It will be reedited to add scenes back in to fill out each movie, and something tells me the fake trailers and whatnot may disappear with it. Also sounds like two seperate DVD releases (more money). So basically, if you want to see it in its original theatrical form and havent already (like me), its time to get hopping, because this may be the only chance you get.

4/11/2007 11:22:51 AM