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"they were worse last year"

not really:
http://kenpom.com/sked.php?y=2006&team=Arizona%20St.&t=p

they're 6-16 after 22 games this year. they were 9-13 at that point last year. they finished last year ahead of two teams in the PAC-10, this year they are dead last.

[Edited on February 5, 2007 at 1:06 PM. Reason : quote]

2/5/2007 1:05:32 PM

^and they are probably not going to win a game for the rest of the season

02/8 at No. 9 Oregon
02/10 at Oregon State
02/15 No. 5 UCLA
02/18 USC
02/25 No. 22 Arizona
03/1 at Stanford
03/3 at California

i would say USC is their best shot since it is home, but they just knocked off oregon and are looking good.

[Edited on February 5, 2007 at 2:20 PM. Reason : .]

2/5/2007 2:18:58 PM

USC's a damn good team. ASU would really have to catch them on an off night to sneak out a win.

2/5/2007 2:19:39 PM

Yeah, they've missed a lot of chances for a conference win and they don't have a good shot left.

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"why would you laugh you people are fucking horrible and a joke to the rest of the wolfpack nation the man did big things for our program i swear to god i wish i could fucking stab each of you in the jaw"

He did medium things for our program. His poor performance at ASU further shows that he's not a big-time coach and that we were right to want him out if we want a big-time program. That's why I laugh.

2/5/2007 4:01:53 PM

medium, what the fuck?

how many times did we go to the ncaa dance when Les was here? how far did we go in the ACC?
how many mcdonalds all americans did we get when les was here?

are you midly retarded or just plain ole dumb as dirt?

b/c when i was in school in the 90s, we fucking sucked.

herb did huge things for NCSU getting us back on the map and a trip to the sweet 16

so, shut the fuck up unless you can prove me other wise, and you cant...so how about sticking dicks in your mouth to block all that bullshit i keep hearing

[Edited on February 5, 2007 at 4:06 PM. Reason : sdf]

2/5/2007 4:05:21 PM

You're right. Wow, one sweet 16, a handful of early exits, and a better performance than Les. Fucking huge. Almost as huge as 0-6 against Roy Williams and having like 2 players that sometimes get NBA playing time. If the man could do huge things for our program, he'd still be here. The end. He wasn't good enough. We got someone better. I don't hate the man, but I'm not going to pretend he was worth keeping in our program.

2/5/2007 4:19:41 PM

and the winner is.. gunzz

on the grounds that all of Shiv's points qualify him as borderline retarded.

I wanted him gone, but I'm not gonna act like he didn't pull our program up out of the dumpster.



[Edited on February 5, 2007 at 4:23 PM. Reason : fhds]

2/5/2007 4:20:52 PM

It amazes me how fucking dense people are to what Herb did for this program.

Lowe is the man, but he hasnt proven he can do what Herb did here yet.

2/5/2007 4:22:02 PM

Lowe has proven he can beat Roy Williams

I was never one of the vocal "Fire Herb" guys...ever...I appreciated the improvement of our program from the gloomy days of the mid 90s...and I never blamed Herb when good recruits like Josh Powell and Ced Simmons decided to leave school early

But look at Sendek...he has ZERO CONFERENCE WINS this season...he is clearly not having a good year at all...I think Herb helped our program but got us about as far as he could...I mean I wish him the best but he sucks ass this year...Sid is coming off back-to-back ranked wins...Sid actually got our players motivated to play UNC competitively and come away with a win.

Has Sid made a bunch of tournaments like Herb? No of course not...but at least he gives a shit about the UNC game(s)

2/5/2007 4:27:43 PM

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"I'm not gonna act like he didn't pull our program up out of the dumpster."

I didn't say he didn't, but he didn't exactly take us to the promised land either and we all know it.

2/5/2007 4:33:18 PM

the program pulled itself out of the dumpster. all he did was stunt the growth with his princeton offense. we could have been where we are now 5 years ago with any other average coach. its ncstate.

2/5/2007 4:35:55 PM

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"He did medium things for our program. His poor performance at ASU further shows that he's not a big-time coach and that we were right to want him out if we want a big-time program. That's why I laugh."

So in his first year at the worst basketball school in a BCS conference with the OLD COACH'S players, who got FIRED for a reason, proves that he is a bad coach? Get off here with that shit. You're hatred has blinded you. Herb did a fucking lot for this school. Who do you think got us these players so that we could even compete with UNC? STFU already.

2/5/2007 4:39:18 PM

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"So in his first year at the worst basketball school in a BCS conference with the OLD COACH'S players"

HEY YOU KNOW WHO ELSE THAT DESCRIBES?

2/5/2007 4:42:22 PM

^i think the name got us these players. Its really moot because our team was loaded as hell last year and we've had alot of talent come through but herb never did much at all with it. last year was pathetic. herb is an average coach and would be good at an academic or midmajor program because thats the only time his offense might do the program some good but he will NEVER have a top notch team with that offense.

2/5/2007 4:42:40 PM

So NC State, a school with countless NCAA apperances and 2 Nat'l Championships is the same level as Arizona State who has never won anything?

Also, we have McDonald's AAs and top 100 recruits, they have Jeff Pendergraph. Wow.

[Edited on February 5, 2007 at 4:48 PM. Reason : This thread is not about NC State]

2/5/2007 4:48:12 PM

oh historically we are leaps and bounds above arizona state

but history doesnt mean a lot if you've seen state over the past 20 years when we sucked more often than not

and history doesnt have anything to do with writers picking us to finish last in the ACC...oh and we have dennis horner this year...herb took the other recruits

point is, sid and herb are both in SIMILAR situations...first year at a new school...somebody elses players...tough conference..."lowe" expectations...but Sid has beaten a couple ranked teams back to back...Herb cant win a conference game

and honestly...do you think we would've had a prayer on Saturday with Herb coaching?

2/5/2007 5:06:55 PM

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"b/c when i was in school in the 90s, we fucking sucked. "

same here, except Sendek was the coach during that period. He also wasn't dealing with NCAA probation.

2/5/2007 5:10:12 PM

6-18

0-13 in conference

2/11/2007 2:58:02 PM

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"herb took the other recruits"

Not really...Florida and Seton Hall did.

2/11/2007 3:00:03 PM

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"and honestly...do you think we would've had a prayer on Saturday with Herb coaching?"

I think we probably would have had a prayer yesterday.

2/11/2007 3:03:31 PM

oregon st. is 2-11 in conference

guess where they picked up those 2 wins

arizona st. probably wont win another game this year

2/11/2007 3:13:50 PM

^well, looks like NCSU and ASU will have something in common then....

2/11/2007 3:39:44 PM

Don't bring your gayness on me.

2/11/2007 4:10:11 PM

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"point is, sid and herb are both in SIMILAR situations...first year at a new school...somebody elses players...tough conference..."lowe" expectations...but Sid has beaten a couple ranked teams back to back...Herb cant win a conference game"

No they aren't. Some of you are arguing and don't know shit. Herb has nothing. Nieman would be a starter for Herb this year. Other than Pendergraph this team is so shitty. The old coach was fired, not run off. You should actually watch some games. BTW Herb's teams are losing by less now. Some of you are arguing that Sidney shouldn't be judged by this year, that we should give him a few years and then you come right back to these Herb hating threads and talk about how shitty Herb is doing in his first year.

2/11/2007 4:36:53 PM

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"the program pulled itself out of the dumpster. all he did was stunt the growth with his princeton offense. we could have been where we are now 5 years ago with any other average coach. its ncstate."

Huh? Do you have any idea where the program was when Les Robinson took over? We had shitty facilities (don't act like kids in South Central or the South Bronx give a shit about the history of Reynolds b/c they flat out don't), we had one of our most beloved and famous coaches (who happened to be one of the most high profile in bball) removed in shame, we had our program being trashed in every media outlet in the world, and we had new academic standards that we were being held to. NC State is a "name program" but without the right people there to help build it back up we aren't where we are today, period.

I have had no problem and will never have any problem with fans expecting the very best. If that means they didn't think Herb was the man to do the job then so be it. It's just really old to try and belittle the good work he DID do here by saying shit like this.

Stick to sucking off Coack K and his merry band of future assistant coaches (smackoff line) and don't try and talk about State...

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^ Polk was actually recruited by us a bit early on. He is a BCS conference caliber player but that means they have TWO players that are worth a damn. I watch their games from time to time since I'm in Pac-10 country and just shake my head at the lack of talent. It's astounding... They do play harder, more consistently than our Pack does this year though..

[Edited on February 11, 2007 at 4:49 PM. Reason : more bodies they have but not more quality bodies]

2/11/2007 4:45:43 PM

packboozie

you want a real actual comparison of Herb vs. Sid, in his first full year of recruiting here Sid has the 11th best recruiting class in the nation coming in, with the same facilities, same guy in charge of recruiting (Larry Harris), and no, I repeat NO college head coaching experience. Also in six tries against a Roy coached UNX team Herb lost, and last year he had more talent and the longer bench.

I don't hate Herb, in fact I'm glad he was here. But he had a horrible record against Duke and UNC and didn't tie in our tradition to our players (and yes I think having guys around that won national championships here talking with the players does help). I can't thank him enough for getting us this far, but that was all he could do. In ten years no ACC basketball coach has failed to win an ACC championship or a National Title except Herb. Herb thanks for coming by but I think that we're both better off.

2/11/2007 5:14:09 PM

^ I agree with you for the most part..

but to be fair to Herb the 2005 class was the 11th best in the nation. This year Sid has the 19th best class (both via Scout.com) but he did it in a very small timeframe, which is awesome.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Sid has in store for us longterm though...

2/11/2007 5:19:15 PM

meh

[Edited on February 11, 2007 at 5:21 PM. Reason : q.]

2/11/2007 5:19:33 PM

^^ sorry old source, but I guess that scout.com doesn't take into account Marques Johnson, the UTenn transfer, he didn't play a whole season this year and is now taking classes at NCSU [Herb couldn't get him here by the way]

and I'm guessing that he's the reason why Sid didn't go after a pt guard harder for this class, he had a spot

[Edited on February 11, 2007 at 5:28 PM. Reason : last part]

2/11/2007 5:27:30 PM

Okay so now recruiting rankings = the better coach?

I have never compared Herb to Lowe. Why are you implying that? I am defending Herb in saying that he has shit to work with. Lowe is in a MUCH better situation. It was said that both coaches were in similar situations, when really they are not similar at all.

Herb's recruiting class for 2007 is ranked top 25 by much of the experts....its really on the same level ours is.

2/11/2007 5:29:58 PM

Wells-Fargo Arena in Tempe has a larger logo on mid-court than does the RBC Center


that's how Herb got such a good '07 class

2/12/2007 6:05:25 AM

^^ so would you go on record as saying that we would be better off if Herb was still here or is this academic?

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"Herb's recruiting class for 2007 is ranked top 25 by much of the experts....its really on the same level ours is."

could I get a link for that?

[Edited on February 17, 2007 at 2:32 AM. Reason : d]

2/17/2007 2:31:04 AM

^ i'll go on record and say that we'd have a losing record right now if herb was still here. believe it. i love sidney lowe, herb is okay.

2/17/2007 2:39:09 AM

does scout.com work for ya?

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=14&yr=2007

2/17/2007 3:26:34 AM

the only reason herb has us beat is that he got one more player

2/17/2007 3:41:38 AM

^yeah, but that ranking also doesn't include Boateng.

[Edited on February 17, 2007 at 8:51 AM. Reason : of course, ours is missing Degand and Johnson]

2/17/2007 8:48:34 AM

^ ours doesn't include Farnold Degand or Marques Johnson.

All right I guess the only way to solve this is to create an alternate timeline where Herb stays and compare the two (or they could just put Arizona State on the schedule)

2/17/2007 10:24:35 AM

herbs magic is back

3/8/2007 1:35:29 AM

come on herbbbb

3/8/2007 1:36:20 AM

shot clock violation. BWAHAHAHAHA

3/8/2007 1:39:13 AM

washington got away with one there

3/8/2007 1:40:30 AM

now he's 11-3 all time in 1st round conference tournament games

3/8/2007 1:48:31 AM

Now hes 35-4 in choking away games.

3/8/2007 2:19:24 AM

that post makes no fucking sense and you shoudl let it go

3/8/2007 8:51:15 AM

i'm sure herb's happy to have that first nightmare season over and in the past.

3/8/2007 11:27:40 AM