ps- nutsmackr...u were right...i saw the video today

he clearly says we talkin' about practice.

12/12/2006 8:15:22 PM

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"lol...this honky gonna compare gary payton to allen iverson"

you dont know much about basketball do you...

12/12/2006 10:14:13 PM

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"96-97 PHI 76 74 40.1 .416 .341 .702 1.5 2.6 4.1 7.5 2.1 0.3 4.43 3.10 23.5 97-98 PHI 80 80 39.4 .461 .298 .729 1.1 2.6 3.7 6.2 2.2 0.3 3.05 2.50 22.0 98-99 PHI 48 48 41.5 .412 .291 .751 1.4 3.5 4.9 4.6 2.3 0.2 3.48 2.00 26.8 99-00 PHI 70 70 40.8 .421 .341 .713 1.0 2.8 3.8 4.7 2.1 0.1 3.29 2.30 28.4 00-01 PHI 71 71 42.0 .420 .320 .814 0.7 3.1 3.8 4.6 2.5 0.3 3.34 2.10 31.1 01-02 PHI 60 59 43.7 .398 .291 .812 0.7 3.8 4.5 5.5 2.8 0.2 3.95 1.70 31.4 02-03 PHI 82 82 42.5 .414 .277 .774 0.8 3.4 4.2 5.5 2.7 0.2 3.49 1.80 27.6 03-04 PHI 48 47 42.5 .387 .286 .745 0.7 3.0 3.7 6.8 2.4 0.1 4.35 1.80 26.4 04-05 PHI 75 75 42.3 .424 .308 .835 0.7 3.3 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 4.59 1.90 30.7 05-06 PHI 72 72 43.1 .447 .323 .814 0.6 2.6 3.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 3.44 1.70 33.0 06-07 PHI 15 15 42.7 .413 .226 .885 0.5 2.3 2.7 7.3 2.2 0.1 4.40 1.40 31.2 Career 697 693 41.7 .421 .309 .778 0.9 3.0 3.9 6.1 2.3 0.1 3.74 2.10 28.1"

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"90-91 SEA 82 82 27.4 .450 .077 .711 1.3 1.6 3.0 6.4 2.0 0.2 2.20 3.00 7.2 91-92 SEA 81 79 31.5 .451 .130 .669 1.5 2.1 3.6 6.2 1.8 0.3 2.15 3.10 9.4 92-93 SEA 82 78 31.1 .494 .206 .770 1.2 2.3 3.4 4.9 2.2 0.3 1.80 3.00 13.5 93-94 SEA 82 82 35.1 .504 .278 .595 1.3 2.0 3.3 6.0 2.3 0.2 2.11 2.80 16.5 94-95 SEA 82 82 36.8 .509 .302 .716 1.3 2.1 3.4 7.1 2.5 0.2 2.45 2.50 20.6 95-96 SEA 81 81 39.0 .484 .328 .748 1.3 2.9 4.2 7.5 2.8 0.2 3.21 2.70 19.3 96-97 SEA 82 82 39.2 .476 .313 .715 1.3 3.3 4.6 7.1 2.4 0.2 2.62 2.50 21.8 97-98 SEA 82 82 38.4 .453 .338 .744 0.9 3.6 4.6 8.3 2.3 0.2 2.79 2.40 19.2 98-99 SEA 50 50 40.2 .434 .295 .721 1.2 3.6 4.9 8.7 2.2 0.2 3.08 2.30 21.7 99-00 SEA 82 82 41.8 .448 .340 .735 1.2 5.2 6.5 8.9 1.9 0.2 2.73 2.20 24.2 00-01 SEA 79 79 41.1 .456 .375 .766 0.9 3.6 4.6 8.1 1.6 0.3 2.65 2.30 23.1 01-02 SEA 82 82 40.3 .467 .314 .797 1.0 3.9 4.8 9.0 1.6 0.3 2.55 2.20 22.1 02-03 MIL 28 28 38.8 .466 .294 .746 0.8 2.3 3.1 7.4 1.4 0.3 2.00 2.30 19.6 02-03 SEA 52 52 40.8 .448 .298 .692 1.1 3.7 4.8 8.8 1.8 0.2 2.52 2.30 20.8 02-03 MIL 80 80 40.1 .454 .297 .710 1.0 3.2 4.2 8.3 1.7 0.2 2.34 2.30 20.4 03-04 LAL 82 82 34.5 .471 .333 .714 0.9 3.3 4.2 5.5 1.2 0.2 1.84 2.10 14.6 04-05 BOS 77 77 33.0 .468 .326 .761 0.6 2.4 3.1 6.1 1.1 0.2 1.92 1.60 11.3 04-05 BOS 77 77 33.0 .468 .326 .761 0.6 2.4 3.1 6.1 1.1 0.2 1.92 1.60 11.3 05-06 MIA 81 25 28.5 .420 .287 .794 0.4 2.5 2.9 3.2 0.9 0.1 1.26 2.10 7.7 06-07 MIA 18 13 25.9 .358 .309 .739 0.2 2.5 2.7 2.5 0.6 0.1 1.11 2.50 6.7"

no, i dont know anything about basketball

12/12/2006 10:25:32 PM

wow, you know how to copy and paste on a computer, you should work for espn

12/12/2006 10:26:50 PM

Thank God AI didn't go to Charlotte. There is no hope for him to win a championship there. The best bet in my mind is either the Clippers or Minnesota.

12/12/2006 10:46:57 PM

Chicago could use him

12/12/2006 10:48:37 PM

If you think Chicago had a problem with Ben Wallace and the headband, wait til AI shows up there.

12/12/2006 10:50:40 PM

That was pretty gay, I mean Ben Wallace is a headband.

12/12/2006 10:52:09 PM

good thing they didnt bench Dennis Rodman every time his hair wasnt his natural colo

12/12/2006 11:01:31 PM

denver for Nene and JR Smith?

12/13/2006 1:48:25 AM

Payton is in the top 15 pgs ever. Iverson is probably the best player under 6 foot to play in the NBA. (yes, I'm including Isiah Thomas) They can definitely be compared. Except Payton was a really good defender, while Iverson can't guard plant-life.

12/13/2006 1:50:07 AM

Denver doesnt need anymore guards really...

his best FIT would be in Charlotte...Chicago could use him

I still think though that the Clippers or Indiana would be a better playoff oriented team with him

especially the Clippers and I think thats where he will end up.

12/13/2006 7:18:38 AM

Denver DOES need a guard. That is what they have coveted for the last couple years. JR Smith will work for now, but the 2 gaurd is the spot they need the most improvement.

12/13/2006 7:43:47 AM

If Indiana tries to trade for Iverson, I'm sure they would try to give off Stephen Jackson on them.

12/13/2006 9:52:33 AM

I hope he finds a home in Indiana, Im pretty sure it would be something like Stephen Jackson and Jamaal Tinsley for Iverson

12/13/2006 10:00:58 AM

it would be great if he and kg were on the same team in minnesota... id actually watch their games then.

12/13/2006 10:17:53 AM

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"Except Payton was a really good defender, while Iverson can't guard plant-life"

are you fucking kidding me? dude regularly averages 2+ steals per game, he's led the league multiple seasons in steals and he cant guard plant-life? we are talking about Allen Iverson here and not Adam Morrison, right? The only legitimate complaint anybody could have with AI's defense is he isn't tall enough to 1-on-1 somebody like Kobe or Pierce in a late game setting when they are gonna shoot a fadeaway

I was comparing their title hopes because they both got to the NBA Finals in their primes on their best teams (Payton/SEA, Iverson/PHI) and lost to better teams (Payton/Jordan Bulls, Iverson/Kobe Shaq Lakers)...same reason you could compare AI to Karl Malone or Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing or any other superstar who didn't win a title with the best team they were on...Payton just happened to go to a team where he had a chance and win one last year

12/13/2006 10:33:42 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061213


terrific article about Iverson for all the haters


excerpt:

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" Consider the following: Fact: He played with only one All-Star in Philly (the soon-to-be-decrepit Dikembe Mutombo in 2001), as well as a host of overpaid role players (Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, Kyle Korver, Kenny Thomas, Marc Jackson, Brian Skinner, Greg Buckner, Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, Corliss Williamson, Theo Ratliff), overpaid underachievers (Derrick Coleman, Keith Van Horn, Sam Dalembert, Joe Smith), overpaid and washed-up veterans (Todd MacCulloch, Toni Kukoc, Chris Webber, Glenn Robinson, Matt Geiger, Billy Owens), and underachieving lottery picks (Jerry Stackhouse, Tim Thomas, Larry Hughes). Fact: Other than Mutombo, Iverson's four best teammates were Coleman (the signature head case of the 1990s), Stackhouse (a selfish scorer who's been traded three times), Ratliff (a shotblocker with no offensive skills) and Andre Igoudala (a talented athlete who hasn't improved in two years). Fact: Since Larry Brown left in 2003, he's played for four coaches in four years (Randy Ayers, Chris Ford, Jim O'Brien and Mo Cheeks) Fact: Thanks to the C-Webb trade and their botched salary cap, the Sixers can't trade for an impact guy unless they keep rolling the dice with somebody else's problem ... a strategy that hasn't worked for them in five years. Can you blame A.I. for wanting out? Hell, no. That's why we're knee-deep into one of the weirdest weeks in recent NBA history -- Philly effectively putting a future Hall of Famer on eBay for a three-day auction, with a trade expected to be consummated any second -- and I'm not sure anyone fully understands the ramifications here. This isn't just any All-Star player. This could be the basketball bargain of the decade. "

[Edited on December 13, 2006 at 4:06 PM. Reason : a]

12/13/2006 4:04:45 PM

yeah honestly on my way to my exam last night i was thinking about it and i was like yeah you kinda can compare them pretty good

idk i mean right now though, payton sucks and iverson is good

[Edited on December 13, 2006 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2006 4:06:24 PM

^^Question whatever you want to about AI and his off court behavior, his friends, his run-ins with the law

But ON the court, the dude is just sick

^my main comparison was the "had a chance to win a title in their prime, didnt win, probably wont win now" argument...which I still could compare to Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Payton, Ewing, etc

[Edited on December 13, 2006 at 4:08 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2006 4:06:51 PM

if he had been traded to the bobcats i would start following them and basketball in general

i wouldve even bought a shirt

after them drafting may and felton and okafor this wouldve put them over the top for me

12/13/2006 4:12:17 PM

so you are saying iverson is gonna whore himself out like payton did with la and then the heat?

12/13/2006 4:12:24 PM

^maybe...i think he probably will if he really starts to physically decline like payton...DUE TO AGE..but for now i think he still has the skills to team up with a Garnett or somebody and make it happen

hell, T-Mac is out indefinitely with back spasms...AI and Yao??

12/13/2006 4:14:03 PM

houston doesnt have anything to offer for iverson.

the problem is the people who have stuff to offer (GS, Boston) are hesistant to give up the goods (Ellis, Biedrins, Jefferson, Green)

and the teams that desperately want iverson like minnesota and indiana really have nothing to offer.

the team that has something to offer and would give it up (charlotte) iverson doesnt want to play for.


So this thing is gonna drag on for awhile i think. The 76ers have nothing to lose by holding onto him for awhile this season. It just positions them better for a shot at Greg Oden. Also it allows teams to figure out where they are in the standings and see that they need another piece to really contend.

Denver for Nene/Jr Smith makes the most sense to me but i REALLY hope it doesnt happen as ive got Camby, Carmelo, and Andre Miller on my fantasy team. That trade would cost me a shitload of cash.

12/13/2006 4:32:26 PM

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"houston doesnt have anything to offer for iverson."

MacGrady???

12/13/2006 4:34:52 PM

^I hope you're kidding. Iverson for McGrady would be a shitty trade for the Rockets

12/13/2006 4:46:33 PM

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"Sixers GM Billy King told another Eastern Conference executive last night that he has "two deals on the table, ready to go" for Allen Iverson. One of the deals King was strongly considering is with Golden State, for point guard Baron Davis, center Andris Biedrins and a third unidentified player. In addition to Iverson, the Warriors would get backup center Steven Hunter. -- New York Daily News With the asking price for Allen Iverson too high, the Celtics' interest in the former NBA MVP may have cooled, according to league sources. Gerald Green and Paul Pierce are off limits. And Al Jefferson may have joined Green and Pierce as players executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge will not deal. -- Boston Globe At least four Western Conference teams remain interested in Allen Iverson, according to several executives in the league: Denver, which expressed interest in acquiring Iverson last season; Memphis; Minnesota; and the Clippers. -- New York Times The Nuggets are still running in the race for Allen Iverson, according to NBA sources, but the deal would not include Marcus Camby. The Nuggets would likely trade forward-center Nene and possibly two other players with expiring contracts, along with their two first-round picks in 2007, to Philadelphia. -- Denver Post "

Courtesy of the Truth & Rumors NBA page on SI.com.

12/13/2006 4:48:00 PM

How could the Nuggets even consider trading Camby?

12/13/2006 5:02:26 PM

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"Iverson for McGrady would be a shitty trade for the Rockets"

For the ROCKETS? haha

so the Rockets would rather have MacGrady, a physically gifted player who can't stay healthy (missed ~35 games last year with his back, is currently out indefinitely this season with his back) and despite all his physical talents, has absolutely no drive and determination to win titles, and cant win a playoff series, than Iverson, one of the hardest working players in the game who has proven he has the will to win and has taken a team (without a 7'6" phenom center) to the NBA Finals and pretty much singlehandedly won a Finals game against Shaq and Kobe's Lakers during their prime? rofl

There are top tier players in the NBA: Kobe, Lebron, AI, Shaq, Duncan

Then there are wannabe top tier players: T-Mac, Pierce, Marbury, etc

[Edited on December 13, 2006 at 5:05 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2006 5:04:06 PM

^^I dont think it would.

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"but the deal would not include Marcus Camby."

[Edited on December 13, 2006 at 5:05 PM. Reason : asdf]

12/13/2006 5:04:53 PM

^^ That is the TRUTH

thank you for typing that out

12/13/2006 5:57:27 PM

TMAC>AI

it would be a shitty trade for the Rockets, especially when talking about working with Yao. Iverson is not the "PG" the Rockets need. Besides the Rockets have been built around Yao AND Tmac.

Though watching the best little guy play with the best big guy would be pretty fun to watch.

12/13/2006 6:06:31 PM

It's official
Iverson to Warriors

12/13/2006 6:21:19 PM

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"There are top tier players in the NBA: Kobe, Lebron, AI, Shaq, Duncan Then there are wannabe top tier players: T-Mac, Pierce, Marbury, etc"

remember when i said i thought about it on my way to my exam?

well one of the specific things i thought in my head was "allen iverson is on the top tier of basketball players and people like payton on like another level down"

thats really how i talk to myself in my head

12/13/2006 6:28:22 PM

^^ yeah so I was just kidding, I'd have provided a link


did get this to work on ESPN though

12/13/2006 6:56:29 PM

miami is supposedly a dark horse candidate for AI

12/13/2006 7:04:58 PM

good dwade needs someone better than shaq to get it done

12/13/2006 7:05:59 PM

multi team trade sending iverson to sacramento, clips losing maggette and livingston, etc. is in the forefront.

"dark horse" is miami according to smith, jason williams, posey and antoine walker possibly on the move. that is what i want to happen...i'd like to see what happens with AI, Shaq, and D Wade trying to balance each other.

[Edited on December 13, 2006 at 7:07 PM. Reason : ^^beat me to it]

12/13/2006 7:06:30 PM

i got a successful trade on that ESPN thing when i did iverson for morrison and knight

12/13/2006 7:09:51 PM

You'd get a successful trade for pretty much anyone involving Charlotte, it's been explained at least twice in this thread

12/13/2006 7:11:12 PM

If Magette and Livingston is on the table then I think Philly should do that deal.


If Baron Davis and Biedrins is on the table then Philly should do that deal. That is a disastrous trade for Golden State. I know they would like to get rid of Baron Davis for someone who isnt such a ballhog, injury prone, and saddled with a bad contract but to give away a guy on the verge of becoming a premeire center who is only 20 years old is a huge mistake.

Chris Mullin is a complete idiot. The Dunleavy & Murphy extensions crippled this team already. Why are you going to move your most valuable asset (Biedrins or Monta Ellis) now?

12/13/2006 7:18:39 PM

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""dark horse" is miami according to smith, jason williams, posey and antoine walker possibly on the move. "

they wouldnt even have to include posey, salary-wise

12/13/2006 7:54:02 PM

lol

12/13/2006 7:56:40 PM

^^supposedly they want to move Posey anyway.

I'm kinda a fan of the Heat, but I just don't know how things would work there with all that talent on that team. Can AI thrive with at least two bonified All-Stars on the court with him at the same time (see '04 Olympics)?

[Edited on December 13, 2006 at 8:08 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2006 8:00:05 PM

^^ If philly does that deal they are insane.

Walker has been egregious this season.

Williams is battling knee injuries and his career may be drawing to a close if he cant overcome them.

Posey is a solid role player.


Thats not three quarters for a dollar thats three nickels for a dollar.

12/13/2006 8:00:12 PM

well, philly would get what they want

which apparently is just getting iverson the hell outta there

how a player the quality of iverson still hasn't found a home yet behooves me

12/14/2006 2:14:44 AM

Yeah, he is good but I think he probably wants to go somewhere where he can get a championship. All of the championship caliber teams either don't have the cap room or don't want to deal with his crap.

12/14/2006 12:45:02 PM

Is Wayne Brady TreeTwista gonna have to choke a bitch sign Webber to my fantasy team until AI gets traded?

12/14/2006 12:51:24 PM

Yeah, probably so.

12/14/2006 12:54:46 PM

Luther Head is a nice pickup since MacGrady is out

and Damien Wilkins has been decent starting for the injured Ray Allen

FBFYI

12/14/2006 12:56:25 PM