^This is true.

But for me, I don't give a crap about a candidates sex, religion, sexual orientation, color, etc.
I care about policies and views.

Do that many people really give a shit about the other stuff?

12/20/2006 12:39:24 PM

yes, cause most people aren't intelligent college grads/students. 80% of people in the country are fucking idiots.

12/20/2006 12:45:52 PM

I will grant you that 80% of people are idiots. But are 80% sexist/racist? I would figure they'd be selfish enough to pick the best person (in their opinion) for the job.

12/20/2006 12:47:48 PM

^ they have studies on ppl voting based on how someone looks, i doubt sexism/racism is beyond them.

Quote :

"I dunno. Black men got the constitutional right to vote before women of any race."

newsweek had something on the 2 of them in the latest issue. basically showed that while this is true, women have done a lot more in politics than blacks have (and earlier).

12/20/2006 2:08:13 PM

http://ncst.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2208368592&ref=mf

http://johnedwards.com/action/sign-petitions/nofunding/

1/11/2007 8:25:09 AM

you brought back a month old thread to post completely irrelevant links to john edwards?

1/11/2007 8:35:28 AM

this thread has held the most recent Edwards discussion, the thread was less than a month old, and the link is in response to last nights presidential address.

and well, you just bumped it too

[Edited on January 11, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason : http://www.technicianonline.com/ front page, edwards is in full swing]

1/11/2007 11:43:24 AM

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"Google Search Results Did you mean: Osama"

[Edited on January 11, 2007 at 12:50 PM. Reason : ]

1/11/2007 12:48:41 PM

i probably won't vote for president again until someone worth voting for exists. such is the pitiful state of our country

1/15/2007 12:47:10 AM

Barack Obama is the antichrist

that said, i would vote 4 him



[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 1:29 AM. Reason : ^^ lmfao i saw that on tv]

1/18/2007 1:18:45 AM

obama seems to be getting a lot of support, and im a pragmatist so id vote for him

1/18/2007 10:47:19 AM

Have any of you read his book? I'm reading it now, he is very well spoken. I'd love to hear him in a few debates.

1/18/2007 11:09:56 PM

^ I'm reading his book now. It's really compelling. Got it for Xmas from my wife. I gave her Jimmy Carter's book. Xmas was at my dad's house, and he's a big Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly fan... i made him take our picture togetehr holding the books. Man, I tell ya, he tried his best to not look like he just stepped in dogshit.

Anyhow, i think Barack can win. I'll vote for him. the real fight is gonna be in the primaries. I think I'm gonna volunteer for his campaign

I do not like Hillary Clinton, and I don't think she can win.

I also hope to god John Fucking Kerry sits the hell down and keeps his yap shut.




[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 1:10 AM. Reason : ]

1/19/2007 1:06:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRRywAlop4Q

OBAMA: CLOSET MUSLIM

So where's the fair & balanced part of this report?

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 4:20:29 PM

i would welcome it if he did have some muslim background. might give him some useful insight into lots of the major international crises of the time.

1/19/2007 4:23:24 PM

So here's what that clip says to me: Hillary is the real threat, so we're gonna reveal this dastardly thing she said in order to hurt her chances of winning the nomination, since Obama is sure to lose in the general election.

1/19/2007 4:32:25 PM

HE DIDNT MENTION IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a piece of shit. we cant trust this guy to even be in the senate. let alone the white house.

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"In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended."

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"Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks."

First quote from first book. Second quote from second book.

Now, why did Fox news say "he was brought up a muslim and then become an atheist" and fail to mention that he converted to christianity as an adult, and is apparently a very active member of his church. who is leaving what out here?

1/19/2007 4:48:07 PM

No, I will not vote for Obama, Clinton, Edwards, or anyone else the Dems are currently looking at. Obama may be the lesser of these three evils, but I don't really care.

I think that they are planning a blunder of biblical proportions if they put Hillary on the ballot.

Although the Repubs aern't doing anything either. Just some mutterings by McCain (fuck him) and Guliani (fuck him too).

Centrists don't exist in these days of partisan politics, no matter what someone says on the campaign trail on CNN's cameras.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:04 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 6:00:47 PM

lol, you consider yourself to be a centrist?

1/19/2007 6:05:40 PM

I wonder if he is a Tancredo or Gingrich supporter

1/19/2007 6:07:55 PM

^^no, I'm not a centrist. If I tried to convince anyone of that, I'd be lying to myself.

And I'm not particularly enamored of Tancredo or Gingrich either.

Although Gengrich isn't THAT bad.

1/19/2007 7:20:15 PM

Oh and one other thing: I find it hilarious how highly people prioritize being "well spoken" as a qualification for POTUS. Yes, being articulate can get someone really far in life. But the only thing that really matters is someone's principles and beliefs. And honesty. Bill Clinton was extremely eloquent and articulate, but he also lied under oath and sold military secrets to the Chinese, among a whole bunch of other shit that pissed me off. Eloquence made this man great at talking his way out of potentially bad personal and political situations stemming from his indiscretions. Some of the things he did while in the oval office were merely illustrations of how much Americans will put up with just so long as the economy is strong.

That is in fact one of the things I like about our current president. He may not be particularly well spoken, but he will make his beliefs and principles known, and stand up for them, every time. Even if he knows a lot of people will disagree with him, he's still honest about it.

I know folks will jump all over me for this, but I voted for him in 2000 and 2004, and if third terms were allowed, I'd vote for him again without hesitation.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 7:31 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 7:26:34 PM

that you would vote for bush again destroys any chance of anyone taking you seriously

cereal

1/19/2007 7:40:15 PM

^^ Because standing up for your beliefs when 70% of the country you are WORKING FOR disagrees with you is an outstanding characteristic.

1/19/2007 8:20:57 PM

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"he's still honest about it"

"stay the course" "stay the course"..."we have never been stay the course"
energy policy? what energy policy?
"we dont do wiretaps" "we dont do wiretaps on us citizens" "you are a terrorist sympathizer"

1/19/2007 9:05:46 PM

A President needs to be well-spoken.

Chief of State
Chief Executive
Chief Diplomat
Commander-In-Chief
Chief Legislator
Chief of Party
Economic Leader

Three of the seven are nothing but eloquence. It plays a vital role in all the others. Presidents should be chosen from a pool of well-spoken people. You can't tell me that there weren't more-qualified and better-spoken people for the job in 2000 and 2004.

When a Spanish diplomat can't tell if our President has a speech impediment or a learning disability, it's bad. When he oftentimes can't fulfill his job requirements at home because people find it so difficult to take him seriously, it's bad. You should care about this; look at the bang-up job he did as party leader last year.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 10:13 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 10:12:53 PM

Quote :

"Because standing up for your beliefs when 70% of the country you are WORKING FOR disagrees with you is an outstanding characteristic"

yeah, because the job is all about checking the polls every day

the civl rights movement would have been squashed had the government listened to the polls

it's not always about what people want...

1/19/2007 10:14:41 PM

Staying the course in spite of popular opinion is fine.

Staying the course in spite of reality is another. STC for STC's sake is not standing up for what you believe in; it's stubbornness.

1/19/2007 10:18:53 PM

ok, i don't recall saying anything about Iraq in particular,(which I am torn on) just talking about polls and popularity

the media tries to make popular opinion the driving force of being a politician

it's good to be "in tune" with the people, but it's also important do to whats necesssary even if it's not popular... chances are pretty good that a large portion of the population isn't gonna agree with you anyhow

1/19/2007 10:24:20 PM

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"You can't tell me that there weren't more-qualified and better-spoken people for the job in 2000 and 2004"

And you'll never convince me there were.

1/19/2007 10:57:05 PM

Quote :

"A President needs to be well-spoken. Chief of State Chief Executive Chief Diplomat Commander-In-Chief Chief Legislator Chief of Party Economic Leader Three of the seven are nothing but eloquence."

If you think Reagan did what he did just based on pure eloquence you're a fucking idiot. And he was the best president-statesman we've had in a long time.

What did Clinton ever get done in foreign policy besides get our men killed in Somalia, let Bin Laden escape from Sudan, bomb the Serbs, and set up failed Palestinian peace accords with that faggot Arafat in a highly publicised camp david affair? Oh yea, he did that NAFTA thing too, which helps fuck up our trade deficit.

Oh, but he smoked dope, got his dick sucked, and listned to rock and roll. And the economy was strong at the time due to what Reagan and Bush Sr. set in motion in the years before the Clintonistas.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 11:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 11:01:23 PM

not to give in to another thread changing topic but...

"I think the public opinion and public support is a very important part of this"
That was Tony Snow's response when asked about public support for the escalation. You might say that public opinion should be trumped by doing what is necessary. But they are the elected representatives of the people. And at a certain point they have to give in to public opinion.

Quote :

"And he was the best president-statesman we've had in a long time."

I almost stopped reading right there.

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"And the economy was strong at the time due to what Reagan and Bush Sr. set in motion in the years before the Clintonistas."

what exactly is the time frame here? when does it start being one presidents responsibility instead of another? Reagan + Bush was 12 years. Who was responsible for the bad economy of the late 80s and early 90s?

1/19/2007 11:18:06 PM

I would not vote for Barack Obama. He has hardly any experience. How do we know he will not crumble when things get rough with Iran and Korea.

and did Fox really say not to vote for Obama because he smokes cigars?

1/19/2007 11:27:01 PM

haha i like how this guy talks about honesty and then brags about reagan

and also, we wouldnt even have the terrorist problem today if reagan hadnt been a pussy

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 11:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 11:39:24 PM

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"If you think Reagan did what he did just based on pure eloquence you're a fucking idiot. And he was the best president-statesman we've had in a long time."

I don't think this. But he wouldn't have gotten anywhere if he hadn't been a decent public speaker. I think you've mistaken "A President needs to be well-spoken" for "eloquence should be the litmus test for a president."

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"What did Clinton ever get done in foreign policy"

"Bombed the Serbs," aka stopped ethnic cleansing. Restored peace in Haiti. Persuaded N. Korea to stop building nukes. NAFTA and increased trade with China are good things. His Middle-East peace talks were at least initially successful. How's the "Road Map" going for Bush these days?

"Got our men killed." That's rich, considering HW Bush put them there. Clinton took them out when it was painfully obvious that the costs of being in the middle of their civil war outweighed the benefits. Also, if Clinton should be so reviled for "getting our guys killed" in Somalia, what are your thoughts on GWB?


^ Contras? What Contras?

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 11:46 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 11:45:58 PM

^^cause carter was tough on terrorism!!!!11

Quote :

"Persuaded N. Korea to stop building nukes"

O RRY

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 11:46:32 PM

i dont know where this revisionist ideal of reagan came from, lets take a look at how good he really was:
iran-contra
being a pussy in beirut
lying to congress
illegal wars all over central and south america
rubbing elbows with saddam hussein
soft on apartheid, or even on the wrong side of it
2 figure unemployment
record deficits
savings and loan scandal

i know im probably forgetting a few things

Quote :

"O RRY"

yes, by offering diplomatic recognition and aid. you know... like what the bush administration has only now figured out to offer after letting them keep working for these years.



[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 11:54 PM. Reason : ps how is somalia clinton's fault? that was bush sr.]

1/19/2007 11:51:57 PM

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"Persuaded N. Korea to stop building nukes. "

Did you really just say that?

And about Clinton getting our guys killed vs GWB getting our guys killed....Clinton never got up one morning to planes slamming into the WTC and Pentagon.

1/19/2007 11:54:05 PM

but you realize that bush sr. got us into somalia


and you can criticize clinton on norht korea, but his policy was more effective than bush's. which is probably why bush has now decided to do the same thing.

1/19/2007 11:55:38 PM

How the fuck can you say that North Korea abandoned its nuclear missile program under Clinton when they were testing nuclear bombs and firing missiles just a few years later?

They just had the program under wraps while Clinton looked the other way.

1/19/2007 11:56:12 PM

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"Clinton never got up one morning to planes slamming into the WTC and Pentagon."

Wtf does Iraq have to do with 9/11?


Clinton paid them off in oil and food. And it worked. It stopped working a few years later because Bush chose feel-goodiness over not letting a nutcase have nukes

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 11:58 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 11:58:07 PM

Quote :

"How the fuck can you say that North Korea abandoned its nuclear missile program under Clinton when they were testing nuclear bombs and firing missiles just a few years later?"

thats because when bush got in he decided to be a cowboy and throw everything out the window

1/19/2007 11:58:50 PM

Quote :

"and you can criticize clinton on norht korea, but his policy was more effective than bush's."

There is nothing effective about ignoring an obvious threat. Just because Bush is more hawkish doesn't make Kim Jong Il any less of a fucking wacko. The NK situation needs to be dealt with sooner or later rather than sitting idly while they continue to develop ballistic missiles.

1/19/2007 11:58:51 PM

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"There is nothing effective about ignoring an obvious threat. "

right, which is what bush has finally realized. now he is basically offering the same deal clinton had

1/20/2007 12:00:10 AM

NK wanted nukes under Clinton. We bribed him not to, and it worked.

NK wanted nukes under Bush. We said "nope," and it failed.

1/20/2007 12:00:20 AM

What worked?

What the fuck are you talking about? You really think that North Korea stopped working on it's missiles in the 90's?

1/20/2007 12:01:19 AM

do you really believed that NK stopped its program because clinton was conceding to them?

[Edited on January 20, 2007 at 12:03 AM. Reason : lol]

1/20/2007 12:02:30 AM

I'm glad that you pussies aren't in office. Kim Jong is a typical blustering bully who gets his way by threatening his neighbors. "Bribing" him isn't gonna make him stop, it'll only make him more greedy.

1/20/2007 12:03:01 AM

clintons plan was working better than bushs has

^well then you might want to talk to bush, cause we have pretty much agreed to briber him again. and lets see what ignoring him has gotten us: oh yeah, testing a nuclear weapon! gg bush!

[Edited on January 20, 2007 at 12:04 AM. Reason : .]

1/20/2007 12:03:35 AM

the right leaning people are the only ones blinded by partisanship!!!

Quote :

"do you really believed that NK stopped its program because clinton was conceding to them? "

[Edited on January 20, 2007 at 12:04 AM. Reason : you didn't answer the question]

thats pretty fast to build a nuke since they didn't work on it while clinton was in

[Edited on January 20, 2007 at 12:05 AM. Reason : .]

1/20/2007 12:04:07 AM