one thing nobody has mentioned in the thread is the confidence of the team

After all, these are college students just like you and me out on the floor. I know that if I gave my all night in and night out (especially in front of a cheering home crowd), but we still consistently lost, that eventually my confidence would wear out. Does anyone think that this may play a role later on? I mean it's easy for a lot of people to say "don't worry, we'll get hot at the right time come ACC tourney," but if the team has suffered lots of defeats they will have developed a losing mentality at least to some extent. While Sidney might be able to coach some of that out of them, I think it will still linger.

1/11/2007 2:05:39 PM

You people worry too much.


Just let it play out a little and settle down.

1/11/2007 2:09:19 PM

on a bright note, at least nobody will be transferring after this season. hahaha

1/11/2007 4:30:09 PM

^^^That could be a factor but as long as we get at least one ACC win pretty soon they can look to that for hope. Of course we might not get any ACC wins, but who knows.

[Edited on January 11, 2007 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

1/11/2007 4:34:53 PM

Man, it would be nice to have the added depth that Larry Davis would have given us. Guy has some game...

1/11/2007 7:22:24 PM

Yeah I was about to talk about how great Davis is doing right now.

1/11/2007 7:24:32 PM

averaging 11.8 ppg over his last 6 games and 9.5 in conference play


we sure could use him right now

1/11/2007 7:28:17 PM

He could easily have averaged 30+ mins

1/11/2007 7:34:16 PM

and Dan Werner too

he dropped 8 points and grabbed 4 boards in only 11 minutes against Ohio State

he'd be getting ~15 minutes per game here


coincidence or not, 2 out of their 3 losses are games in which he's played less than 10 minutes

1/11/2007 7:45:31 PM

^ Florida has only lost twice.

1/11/2007 9:17:38 PM

Not really relevant but Scotty Reynolds is playing well for Georgetown too.

Davis and Werner would have been HUGE for us, even if they would only play 10 minutes a game.

1/11/2007 9:26:24 PM

I wish we had more depth in the bench. I bet being able to put more ppl on the floor would help alot.

1/11/2007 9:55:40 PM

yeah...what I meant to type was that he's only played less than 10 minutes in 3 games and they've lost two of them

1/11/2007 10:25:35 PM

Quote :

"He's building a program, not a season."

1/11/2007 10:27:03 PM

there oughta be a t-shirt

1/11/2007 10:29:48 PM

thanks sidney

1/13/2007 12:44:30 PM

Okay we are finally winning and you stop bitching.

1/13/2007 12:50:08 PM

^more like we went into a zone and completely shut down everything

1/13/2007 12:51:05 PM

There are still things to compain about, but Wake just sucks too much to capitalize.

1. Every corner 3 they have taken has been wide open.

2. Grant is still a terrible PG.

3. Our half court offense looks really bad.

1/13/2007 12:52:17 PM

the open corner 3s were in the first half of the half before we started playing 1-3-1. we've shifted well and drums athleticism while being guarded has been pretty much the only thing that scored against it.

1/13/2007 12:55:09 PM

Quote :

"ncstatetke All American 18519 Posts user info edit post strongly disagree i think Fells is perhaps the worst defensive player (and I say perhaps because I haven't seen the 7-footer play yet)"

Quote :

"ohmy All American 906 Posts user info edit post ^yea you're not. i would imagine his d would be great, but b/c either hes too lazy or too tired, it just plain sucks the big one real bad."

I will say it once again, our worst defensive starter is Horner

if you still think its fells watch him on defense the whole rest of the 2nd half, he shuts his man down, half of our steals and blocks are from Fells.

1/13/2007 1:02:52 PM

and i will double post to say that drum has like 2 points

wtf with him and his athleticism

maybe Visser and his ability to get inside looks when they dish it to the corner and then back in for an easy look


thats the problem with a 1-3-1

the dumbest thing Wake has done is they have not done a full court press like every other team that has even seen one min. of film on us and realizes we cant break a press 1/2 the time.

Prosser is the worst defensive coach in the nation.

1/13/2007 1:05:09 PM

Quote :

" 2. Grant is still a terrible PG. 3. Our half court offense looks really bad."

2. Sidney can only do so much.

3. See your #2 complaint for your answer on that.

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:06 PM. Reason : you does not equal your]

1/13/2007 1:06:00 PM

Quote :

"^more like we went into a zone and completely shut down everything"

We've been playing a 1-3-1 for a long time now dumbass.

We're just finally playing a team that can't hit wide open threes.

1/13/2007 1:06:08 PM

they haven't gotten a wide open three against the 1-3-1. The thing is we give wide open threes when we play man and teams just shoot over the zone. we didnt start playing it until halfway throught the half and they had like 24 points at that point.

I won this fair and square and its time for you guys to just back down and hope we stay in it.

1/13/2007 1:10:09 PM

ok hcnearl


we have been using the 1-3-1 ever since we took the lead

wake is like 20% from 3 and thats why this defense works any team that has shot over 40% has gotten us out of the 1-3-1 because its so vunerable in its corners

you seriously need to be suspended.

1/13/2007 1:11:29 PM

what games have you been watching? clemson and bc LIT UP our man. in the bc game we switched to 1-3-1 2nd half and they cooled off then we went back to man after horners charge and bc pulled away. halfway through the wake first was the next time we saw it. we had taken a lead with our man but wake came back, tied it at 20 and then we switched to zone a little later and blew them out.

Its obvious at this point that zone (maybe 2-3 against the better shooting teams that can move the ball to the open corner) is our best option on defense. we suck so bad against the three from a man that that isn't even an issue. Zone doesn't just let people shoot anyway. you still have to have great ball movement and the zone can be extended to guard shooters. one of jjs lowest scoring games cam against a zone and he wasn't missing alot he just wasn't getting shots off. the plays that many teams run to get a shooter open don't work against the zone because cuts and screens aren't as effective.

stand down jt3bucky

1/13/2007 1:19:23 PM

its obvious that a non shooting team like Wake that we should use a zone, its obvious taht with a lights out shooting team like the Woffords BC's and Clemsons that a man is our best bet



how can you not grasp that the zone works when the other team CANT SHOOT

1/13/2007 1:20:47 PM

^you have a very elementary understanding of zone defenses. Man is better against threes ONLY IF everybody can stay with their man or the team is GREAT at moving the ball efficiently. We can't stauy with our men running around. Just because a team is playing zone doesn't mean they will give up alot of threes. according to your theory Syracuse and Temple would get lit up most of the time. Sure they will get some open threes but the traffic inside and turnovers it will cause is worth giving up a few open threes.

wake shooting 35% on the season and are not doing well against our zone

clemson was shooting 34% on the season and went 53% against our man

BC shot 50% in the first half against our man and significantly lower against our zone in the second half

Wofford lit our man up for 46%. their average is 37.

The stats don't lie. WE defend the three and everyting else (you rarely see open layups against a zone) better from zone.

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:34 PM. Reason : constant stats no exceptions]

1/13/2007 1:32:15 PM

wtf how are you making these stats 'against our man'

did we run Man the whole time? hell no...you cant make up these stats like that and say they were specifically against the man or the man chaser or whatever it is

you are completely ridiculous for making that argument

and your first stat works in the favor of using the zone in the first place.

you are trying to use stats in your favor when they dont even 100% match up to what you are using them for.

1/13/2007 1:57:49 PM

the only stat that isn't clear is the bc one because we played man part of the 2nd half but i know its supportive because that was the part when bc put us away.

we played man the entire time every other game except maybe uncg or uncw the only two games i didnt see .

1/13/2007 2:01:48 PM

you must have forgot that 2-3 we ran at the start of the season for like 2 min. or how about when we put in the 1-3-1 did you forget that?

oh i guess taht half court press wasnt a zone either...

I forget these things so quickly

you are right Airheadistotle, i bow down to your stat making ability and the ability to create entire game summaries around one particular defense.

who cares anyways now...he made the changes went deeper into his bench and they guarded the three.


if anything this thread needs to change to Skip, you wait till the 2nd half to integrate a full court press that has plagued us all year.

maybe you and Skip can coach together^

1/13/2007 2:09:23 PM