Quote :

"There is no official world record for 40 yards. The shortest distance that the IAAF, track and field's international governing body, recognizes for world-record purposes is an indoor 50 meters, or about 54 yards. It is 5.56 seconds and it was set by Canadian sprinter Donovan Bailey in 1996. There is also a world record for 60 meters – 6.39 seconds by American Maurice Greene in 1998. But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test. Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 – both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds. He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake. And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol. "

Quote :

"There is no official world record for 40 yards. The shortest distance that the IAAF, track and field's international governing body, recognizes for world-record purposes is an indoor 50 meters, or about 54 yards. It is 5.56 seconds and it was set by Canadian sprinter Donovan Bailey in 1996. There is also a world record for 60 meters – 6.39 seconds by American Maurice Greene in 1998. But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test. Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 – both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds. He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake. And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol. "

Quote :

"There is no official world record for 40 yards. The shortest distance that the IAAF, track and field's international governing body, recognizes for world-record purposes is an indoor 50 meters, or about 54 yards. It is 5.56 seconds and it was set by Canadian sprinter Donovan Bailey in 1996. There is also a world record for 60 meters – 6.39 seconds by American Maurice Greene in 1998. But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test. Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 – both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds. He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake. And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol. "

Quote :

"There is no official world record for 40 yards. The shortest distance that the IAAF, track and field's international governing body, recognizes for world-record purposes is an indoor 50 meters, or about 54 yards. It is 5.56 seconds and it was set by Canadian sprinter Donovan Bailey in 1996. There is also a world record for 60 meters – 6.39 seconds by American Maurice Greene in 1998. But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test. Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 – both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds. He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake. And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol. "

Quote :

"There is no official world record for 40 yards. The shortest distance that the IAAF, track and field's international governing body, recognizes for world-record purposes is an indoor 50 meters, or about 54 yards. It is 5.56 seconds and it was set by Canadian sprinter Donovan Bailey in 1996. There is also a world record for 60 meters – 6.39 seconds by American Maurice Greene in 1998. But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test. Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 – both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds. He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake. And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol. "

1/15/2007 9:53:55 PM

Quote :

"schools that don't have their pick of athletes (ie us) have to make their money finding "diamonds in the rough" or outliers."

We aren't one of these schools anymore. We've been a school that has been looking at 3 star diamonds in the rough lately.


And look at Denver's system before you make more of an ass out of yourself.

1/15/2007 9:56:21 PM

and Chuck did such a good fucking job with his recruiting classes that we're in a great position to talk smack about TOB's first class when he started recruiting in fucking january 2007 as opposed to February 2006 when all the other teams started

1/15/2007 9:57:28 PM

until we're ND, texas, USC or a similar school, we need to beable to find un or sparsely recruited talent


ie many lawson and the other 10-15 players mentioned in this thread. you have fun being oblivious

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:59 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 9:58:33 PM

denver's system disappeared with the banning of chop blocks.

Quote :

"and 10.xx times are commonplace] "

you are correct about that. I've seen it happen firsthand at a couple of tracks meet when I was in high school.

1/15/2007 9:58:58 PM

Quote :

"We aren't one of these schools anymore."

you sir are delusional.


if we weren't one of those schools people like Carl Johnson would stay home instead of going out of state.

1/15/2007 10:03:32 PM

look at where we ranked nationally with recruiting classes.

1/15/2007 10:25:09 PM

have you quit the wolfpack club yet, or was that just your typical talk loud, say nothing type of deal?

1/15/2007 10:31:57 PM

look at the 4 and 5 star recruits picking the florida's and ohio states and USC's of the nation over NC State .... and get back to me

1/15/2007 10:32:09 PM

Talent != wins

See: Chuck Amato


You have a coach, you win games, you get loads of talent.

1/15/2007 10:37:59 PM

Quote :

"look at the 4 and 5 star recruits picking the florida's and ohio states and USC's of the nation over NC State .... and get back to me"

you are just ignoring everything I post and coming back with ludicrous straw man arguments.

1/15/2007 10:50:17 PM

AD HOMONYM

1/15/2007 10:53:41 PM

have you quit the wolfpack club yet, or was that just your typical talk loud, say nothing type of deal?

1/15/2007 11:09:47 PM

Dear nutcancr,

You're not the fucking coach. You have ZERO coaching and recruiting experience. Tom O'Brien knows what he is doing and knows how to win on Saturday afternoons. You don't. Go back to beating off on PackPride and get your know-it-all bullshit out of here. K, Thanks.

Regards,

Everyone.

1/15/2007 11:10:50 PM

^

1/15/2007 11:12:32 PM

let's actually post something that is valid here. so everytime someone is critical of another person they should just shut up because they aren't in that position?

as for the wolfpack club, I'm keeping it for basketball reasons. That's a spot where we actually got the right hire.

1/15/2007 11:22:00 PM

so you are actually nutcancr

then that makes sense

and yes you have no right to make this thread

1/15/2007 11:23:24 PM

shut it n00b

1/15/2007 11:27:02 PM

1/15/2007 11:30:01 PM

so now we know

Quote :

"have you quit the wolfpack club yet, or was that was just your typical talk loud, say nothing type of deal?"

1/15/2007 11:31:07 PM

I've transfered the life time rights to my nephew and am only in the WPC for basketball. I'm not paying for football tickets.

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 12:08 AM. Reason : so yes, it was me doing something. Now get off my dick you dirty sluts.]

1/16/2007 12:07:46 AM

Wake won the ACC this year. They always land a fuckload of 5 star recruits. /thread

1/16/2007 12:44:40 AM

yes, so every year we should recruit just like wake and be wake forest v2.0.

these arguments are getting really retarded and show a lack of knowledge in sports history.

1/16/2007 2:12:43 AM

lesser talent can't beat better talent

sincerely,
ECU

even less talent can't beat lesser talent

sincerely,
navy

1/16/2007 2:46:15 AM

Native americans are weeping for this thread as we speak

1/16/2007 2:47:49 AM

this thread shouldve ended back on page 1 with this:

Quote :

"i agree the rankings don't mean too much just in 2002, we brought in 17 1-star prospects.. most notable, Manny Lawson, John McCargo, Brian Clark, TJ Williams, Oliver Hoyte, Jon Holt, Lamart Barrett, James Newby, Garland Heath, and Leroy Harris "

and then this:

Quote :

"^That's 5-6 NFL players who were former "unheard" of prospects."

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 2:56 AM. Reason : quote]

1/16/2007 2:55:18 AM

It's really nice to have lots of talent though

sincerely,
every national champion ever

1/16/2007 3:03:08 AM

^

The point is not , "we should only recruit 2 star recruits and be like wake," or "We should only go after 5 star recruits because they're obviously the only talented players."


The point people are making is that... you can't talk down a 1-2 star recruit until you get a chance to see him play. You definitly want as many 4-5 star recruits as you can get your hands on, in the same sense that people try to sign McDonalds all-americans in basketball. But, there's only so many 5 star recruits going around, we dont get to choose who comes here to an extent and even less so with the elite high school recruits in the country. We need to get highly touted, highly athletic recruits, but we also have to get 1-3 star recruits to fill in the spots that we can't get elite recruits to fill

and yes we should be recruiting most positions. in the age of leaving college early, you're never too set at any position, let alone skill positions.

Obviously TOB and his staff saw something in this 1 star rb to give him a scholarship, and for a staff known well for their recruiting prowess, i think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.


casting aside lowly ranked recruits is silly

with love,
every player named in this thread.

1/16/2007 3:49:10 AM

Their recruiting prowess? They typically had mid 50s recruiting classes at BCU. And he should be addressing major gaps on the team right now, LBs and Safeties. We don't have many scholarships left to give. go after our weak spots.

1/16/2007 5:51:52 AM

his mid 50s classes win 8 games a year so stfu and gtfo

1/16/2007 9:10:33 AM

I think it needs to be mentioned in this thread that in scout.com recently named Tom O'Brien and his staff as the best talent evaluators in the country. Other schools routinely ramp up interest in prospects that have (had) received offers from BC.

1/16/2007 10:03:32 AM

If we win, then the better recruits will have more interest in us.

1/16/2007 10:28:54 AM

Quote :

"i agree the rankings don't mean too much just in 2002, we brought in 17 1-star prospects.. most notable, Manny Lawson, John McCargo, Brian Clark, TJ Williams, Oliver Hoyte, Jon Holt, Lamart Barrett, James Newby, Garland Heath, and Leroy Harris"

You can't trust the 2002 rankings. Everyone who was not ranked in the top 50 or so at each position was reverted back to a 1* a couple of years ago for some reason.

Quote :

"converts into a little over a 10 second 100m time"

A little over is 10.0x, 10.1x, or 10.2x.
If you can find some high schoolers pulling out those times, I'd be happy to see it.

1/16/2007 11:11:12 AM

Don't compare TOB's ability to recruit to NC State with what he did at BC.


Boston College has much much higher admissions standards than NC State. They have additional requirements beyond ACC/NCAA requirements

1/16/2007 11:16:05 AM

Dear Nutcancr,

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

1/16/2007 11:21:28 AM

FYI, NC State also has admission standards above and beyond NCAA/ACC guidelines (UNC admissions standards).

Your point does stand, as BC has admissions, facilities, atmosphere, and geographic disadvantages to NCSU.

1/16/2007 11:26:17 AM

Quote :

"It's really nice to have lots of talent though sincerely, every national champion ever"

uh.....we're NC State. Nobody in their right mind expects a NC any time soon anymore, but we get the point.

Quote :

"We need to get highly touted, highly athletic recruits, but we also have to get 1-3 star recruits to fill in the spots that we can't get elite recruits to fill "

/thread again



[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 11:38 AM. Reason : ]

1/16/2007 11:36:00 AM

I have to comment on the punter. He's out of JUCO and led California state....lemme say that again....California state in avg punt yards at just over 43. I don't know how the star system works but if you lead California in anything, you should get atleast a 3 star.

1/16/2007 11:42:47 AM

I agree. 1 star punter who leads Cali JUCO with an average of 43 is perfectly fine.

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 11:49 AM. Reason : 12121]

1/16/2007 11:46:35 AM

Quote :

"Just about every player in the NFL for Chuck Amato was a 3-star or less.... I don't think I can think of a highly rated one"

Mario was a 4 star, and 4th ranked DE in the class. Pretty highly regarded.

Quote :

"or terrell davis in college ... "

hmmm, since when is the SEC not a high level of competition?


I agree with Nutcancr in that it's a little disheartening to see us going after 1 star players with Carolina getting visits from 5 star players. But I'll also acknowledge that the star system -- in football at least -- is usually a pile of shit

1/16/2007 11:51:24 AM

recruiters, like everyone else in football, hate kickers. they only get noticed when they fuck up.

1/16/2007 11:53:20 AM

I'm happy about a 40+ yard average after Deraney and Herbert seemed like their average was half that...

NOT LITERALLY of course.

1/16/2007 11:54:20 AM

I just want to see us have a dedicated kicker and punter for once. It's not a big deal for a guy to do both, and be average at it, but the majority of the big time schools have separate ones that excel, not the same guy that is merely decent at both.

1/16/2007 11:56:30 AM

you can count the number of pro teams that have combined kickers on one finger, and that's probably going to change next year when the new coach comes in.

1/16/2007 11:58:02 AM

heres how a 43 yard average compares to the ACC and nationally

this is the UMD guy

Quote :

"ranked second in the ACC and 13th in the nation in punting average at 43.6 yards per punt "

and to clarify the Wake guy who was #1 that now plays for Seattle I think, he led the ACC with 50.3 and was like 1st in the nation at the time

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 12:00 PM. Reason : f]

1/16/2007 11:58:29 AM

Quote :

"Boston College has much much higher admissions standards than NC State. They have additional requirements beyond ACC/NCAA requirements"

Not to mention that the recruiting ground in New England is NOTHING like the South or really any other part of the country. In many cases high school football is the third or even fourth sport at schools (behind basketball, baseball, and in a lot cases hockey).

^ Plackemeire (sp)?

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 12:01 PM. Reason : x]

1/16/2007 12:00:15 PM

yea they have to sit behind

BoSox
Patriots
Celtics
and the Bruins just to name a few

where as in Raleigh...the Hurricanes.

1/16/2007 12:01:19 PM

I'd say the hurricanes sit behind college basketball and football in this area, if you take last hockey season out of consideration.

1/16/2007 12:18:02 PM

set

1/16/2007 12:56:39 PM

I think O'Brien is going to be able to recruit really well here for a few reasons:

First, wins recruit for themselves. If your team is winning you get on TV more (provided you are in a big conference) and get more exposure. Recruits want as much exposure for themselves as possible in most cases. I don't have any doubt we will win games with TOB, so the talent level will go up as more people come.

Second, he has world class facilities when compared to his at BC to recruit with. This too can recruit itself.

Third, standards. He can recruit almost anyone he wants here, where at BC that is not even close to the case. BC is right behind Duke and Wake as far as admissions and things like that.

also, just for comparison sake: of the final top 50 for north carolina this year, UNC signed six of those players, and NC State 10. so credit tob for keeping all of those signed on board with him.
I am really excited to see what he can recruit here and how much he can win here. My take on it right now is, if he can win 9 games a year at BC with sub-par facilities and really talent for the most part, I want to see what he can do here with great facilities, a much larger talent pool to work with, and the ability to recruit pretty much whomever he wants.

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 1:52 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2007 1:48:49 PM