You know, I'm not trying to put all the emphasis on depression here, but it can be really hard for people to come to terms with it on their own. And if you don't find the right help at the right time, it just gets harder.

2/12/2007 3:44:57 AM

I knew Frank. I always thought he was an alright guy. Damn.

I found a picture of me in his photoalbum. He was on the ballroom dance team. He put a lot into it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/StilettoOne/Ray.jpg

2/12/2007 3:54:14 AM

R.I.P. and God Bless.

I'll pray that he is in a better place.

2/12/2007 5:01:58 AM

I barely knew him, but i still miss him and shed a tear

he will be missed

2/12/2007 5:16:35 AM

^^ I hope he is in a better place but still a punk ass way to leave your friends and family hurting...

2/12/2007 5:38:16 AM

frank

we danced all the time... he was always so nice

I can't believe this

2/12/2007 6:13:24 AM

Quote :

"You could resolve the situation by telling others what a fucking screwup they are, Fuchsia, so they end up like your other buddy. Or, you can look past what's human, and try to adapt from the situation. You're not so special as the only one who knew him. He was a good guy that tried and helped anyone in a situation, reciprocate this if you're such a good apostle. p.s: I think he posted 6 times that one day, but that's only because we talked about it on the phone, You know, not some bullshit on tww, where we pretend that we're meriting others oral sex with our words. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot"

What is wrong with you? Have you no sense of decency at all?

I'm not trying to be special, I'm trying to not think about what my friend just did. If he "tried and helped anyone in a situation", why didn't he help himself? I feel awful and conflicted. You aren't helping.

2/12/2007 7:22:25 AM

Quote :

"this is bringing me as close to tears as I can get"

same here. I never knew the guy personally, and never talked to him privately on TWW even. Still, I get really sad when I hear of someone so young dying. Not only do I feel sorry for him, but his family and close friends.

I've lost some close relatives who were young, and even a few years ago a very close friend of mine committed suicide. When I heard the news of his death, I don't think I've ever felt so sick or confused in my entire life, and wouldn't wish these feelings on anyone.

It's times like this that I really wish I could faithfully believe that there is a Heaven so that I could say I wish he is in a better place now.

2/12/2007 7:24:20 AM

^Why though? If he was an atheist and committed suicide, then almost no religion would say he would be in heaven. He would be in hell. Its almost better to just hope that he's in purgatory or in nonexistence. Thats what he believed from what I'm reading?

2/12/2007 7:40:15 AM

Quote :

"1:00pm: So long, and thanks for all the fish The past 14 months have been a more or less continuous withering away of my connections to my own life. At this point, I'm not sure of my own sanity anymore. I could probably work my way through it all (patience, eh?), but I just don't have any good reasons (or excuses?) to bother. I don't feel like I'd be particularly missed, and I don't feel like anything in particular matters anyway. I'm replaceable. Beyond that, I could write a long and rambling note, boring some to tears and making some feel horrible, but...fuck it, you know? This is for myself, not some kind of statement. I'm looking at my camera, and I can't help but think of it as a symbol of my own state. So much optimism a few years ago, now it's dinged and battered and doesn't even power on right a lot of the time. It can still capture beauty, now and then, but it's harder than it should be, and sometimes missed altogether because the camera can't do it anymore. I've opened up my Photobucket. There's a lot of random in there, but just about every picture I've ever taken (and a bunch that I saved) that I thought was worth anything will be in there, somewhere. Access password is "cheshirecat". "

if i had read an entry like that from a friend, i surely would have called them up to see what was going on.

look at the number of dead giveaways:

- the title: So long
- past 14 months have been hell
- i could work through it all, but why bother
- i won't be missed
- i am replaceable
- the whole camera paragraph
- releasing password to photogallery

it is pretty obvious what he was planning on doing.

i am not trying to be a jerk, but who read this entry by him before he killed himself.

and of those who read it, how many called him up for clarification/sympathy?

btw, how did he kill himself? with a gun?

2/12/2007 7:47:54 AM

^Of course they're dead giveaways. That is his suicide note. No need to outline anything for anybody.

2/12/2007 7:51:31 AM

dead giveaways

2/12/2007 7:52:47 AM

2/12/2007 7:53:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG6b3V2MNxQ

2/12/2007 7:56:47 AM

yes, bridget, that is his suicide note, but it is not a traditional one. he doesn't say he is going to kill himself.

anyway, so who read it and who called him up because of that entry in LJ?

btw, did he kill himself with a CZ-82?

because he took that gun home just 2 days before. killing himself.

2/12/2007 7:59:42 AM

RIP

2/12/2007 8:02:56 AM

2/12/2007 8:06:36 AM

he posted the note not long before he did it...wasn't like it sat around for days for all his friends (with live cell phone feeds to Frank's new LJ posts, of course) to do nothing about it.

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 8:08 AM. Reason : adf]

2/12/2007 8:07:34 AM

Quote :

"if i had read an entry like that from a friend, i surely would have called them up to see what was going on."

People WERE doing that for a long time yesterday.

2/12/2007 8:08:16 AM

Several of his friends tried calling him and even drove down to the coast to look for him because they thought that's where he would go.

2/12/2007 8:11:07 AM

O_o

2/12/2007 8:12:11 AM

I've had the displeasure of reading a couple other suicide notes, and neither of them said explicitly what was going to happen, either, so the idea that there's some "traditional" form where one writes, "Goodbye Mum & Dad, I'm off to jump a bridge" is ridiculous.

2/12/2007 8:14:41 AM

that's great... that his friends tried calling him.

he posted at 1... what time did he kill himself?

btw, did anybody get through to him on the phone?



[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 8:16 AM. Reason : also: btw, did he kill himself with a CZ-82?]

2/12/2007 8:15:42 AM

did they deactivate his facebook already?

2/12/2007 8:15:43 AM

^^^OEPII1 isn't from here so I think there's like a cultural difference or something. Or maybe he's never been exposed to suicide?

^^Dude, your curiosity is a bit creepy. Why do you wanna know if anybody got through to him on the phone? Do you wanna know all the gruesome details or something?

Anyway, this blows.

Peace out.

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 8:19 AM. Reason : Now peace out.]

2/12/2007 8:16:15 AM

When I clicked on this I was hoping it was a hoax thread Ive seen him at more than one gunshow. Its kinda spooky to imagine what he must have been thinking of doing with one of them someday...

2/12/2007 8:17:48 AM

this is why you shouldnt let crazy people own guns

2/12/2007 8:18:02 AM

^ But how would you know he was crazy, I mean yeah he wasn't 'normal' but then again who is?

2/12/2007 8:19:24 AM

People also don't constantly check LJ all day long.

2/12/2007 8:19:26 AM

Quote :

"^^Dude, your curiosity is a bit creepy. Why do you wanna know if anybody got through to him on the phone? Do you wanna know all the gruesome details of his last few minutes?"

i would say my curiosity is a natural response to something like this that any alive and breathing human being would probably have.

also, i don't see how:

- if anybody reached him on the phone
- what time he offed himself
- and if he used a particular gun

are gruesome details.

not like i am asking how many feet his blood spurted when he shot himself.

2/12/2007 8:21:39 AM

but out of curiosity, does anyone have the autopsy photos?

2/12/2007 8:22:42 AM

Quote :

" this is why you shouldnt let crazy people own guns"

2/12/2007 8:28:25 AM

Quote :

"More info, some specifics for those who care: He appears to have taken a camera, laptop and his pistol and drove out to Wilmington. He was found dead today by the police in the middle afternoon."

from...

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2324781&perpage=40&pagenumber=4

2/12/2007 8:41:13 AM

^^then they could just slit their wrists or OD on something

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 8:41 AM. Reason : aa]

2/12/2007 8:41:34 AM

good point, the weak willed will find ways to leave this world with or without guns

2/12/2007 8:59:11 AM

damn thats really sad. i never really spoke to him but he seemed like a really nice kid.

2/12/2007 9:03:13 AM

damn

2/12/2007 9:04:00 AM

this is very sad. this is the second death that i have learned of this morning. what a shitty way to start the work week. My condolences to his family and IRL friends.




[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 9:07 AM. Reason : xfcvg]

2/12/2007 9:06:45 AM

Quote :

"^^then they could just slit their wrists or OD on something"

Suicide isn't the only bad thing to come from guns. But if you're going to go that route...its a lot easier to shoot yourself with a gun then slit your wrists or take a bunch of pills. I'm taking a guess, but I think the statistics on suicide would show that shooting oneself is the most common method. It's quick and relatively painless.



[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 9:41 AM. Reason : .]

2/12/2007 9:39:23 AM

Damn, I was on the ballroom team with him for a while. This sucks.

2/12/2007 9:41:35 AM

I was right...52% of suicides from firearms. I wonder how many wouldn't have done it if the gun wasn't available???

2/12/2007 9:43:28 AM

I imagine they'd use the next easiest method.

it's not like suicide began when guns were invented.

This kid was a selfish prick and killed himself to solve his problems, and now the end result is that all of his friend and family are going to be fucked up about it.

I sympathize with the people who cared about him, but he's a bastard for doing this to them.

2/12/2007 9:49:03 AM

^^somewhat less, assuredly... but who is to say what is right? the person made a choice... a choice they knew that they would not be able to change their mind about. why should everyone pay and sacrifice priviliges for the actions of a few people who cant find enough meaning in their lives to want to keep on?


[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 9:54 AM. Reason : its a pussy thing to do, anyways]

2/12/2007 9:52:48 AM

Quote :

"it's not like suicide began when guns were invented."

Because that's exactly the point I was trying to make....

2/12/2007 9:53:38 AM

Rest In Peace, man. I learned a lot from you.

2/12/2007 9:53:47 AM

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 9:54 AM. Reason : double post, sorry.]

2/12/2007 9:54:24 AM

^^^

You might as well have been, it's horrible logic.

you get rid of guns, and some other method will be attributable to the majority of suicides.

Are you gonna want to ban rope next?

2/12/2007 10:01:32 AM

I still can't find anything on the news about this, even on the local Wilmington news site. You would think they would be all over this by now.

2/12/2007 10:08:06 AM

Quote :

"you get rid of guns, and some other method will be attributable to the majority of suicides."

Noooo....really??? You completely get rid of one majority and another method becomes a majority??? That can't be right....

If you re-read my post(s), you'll see that I just said that not having firearms would probably prevent a decent number of suicides. Its the easiest way out. I am sure that if some people didn't have access to a gun, they might not go through with it. Slitting your wrists and watching yourself bleed to death requires a lot more balls than pulling a trigger and not feeling anything.

If banning firearms could save thousands of lives a year just by people not committing suicide...then I think it would be worth it. Not to mention the million other things it would help. But hey...shooting deer, skeet, and "feeling safe" is worth it....

2/12/2007 10:13:05 AM

RIP homie

2/12/2007 10:14:04 AM