bitches can be so stupid

2/21/2007 5:28:22 PM

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"Yeah, we believe that Jesus is the only path to salvation."

no, you arent christians (and its weird now that you all want to be called christians when joseph smith has writings setting mormons aside from christians and condemning christians as corrupt)

heres what ive said before

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"mormons are not christians "4For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough... 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." 2 Corinthians 11:4 &13-15 and thats just one of many examples of scripture on false prophets even mormon doctrine doesn't follow christian beliefs, mormon doctrine says that the blood of christ does not atone for all sins. this is in disagreement with the christian faith. on a related note: jehova's witnesses and christ. scientists are also not christians"

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"ok if you dont like me using the bible to show you why mormons aren't christianity i will just use stuff that mormons wrote "But under certain circumstances there are some serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins. Murder, for instance, is one of these sins; hence we find the Lord commanding capital punishment."... "President Joseph Fielding Smith has written: "Man may commit certain grievous sins -- according to his light and knowledge -- that will place him beyond the reach of the atoning blood of Christ. If then he would be saved, he must make sacrifice of his Own life to atone -- so far as in his power lies -- for that sin, for the blood of Christ alone under certain circumstances will not avail. . . . Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the transgressors beyond the power of the atonement of Christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of Christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent. Therefore their only hope is to have their own blood shed to atone, as far as possible, in their behalf"' [Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 133-138]" (Mormon Doctrine, Bruce McConkie, pages 92-93) this is pretty clearly stating that there are situations when the blood of christ can not atone for your sins. the bible in many places teaches that all sins are atoned for through the blood of christ, and it is through christ we seek forgiveness. its a very important part of what makes us christians. also the mormon church has a different idea of the holy trinity. you can not change the holy trinity and still call yourself a christian: "I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible. Say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form, like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another. In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 345) joseph smith teachers that god was not always a god, the scriptures clearly state that god has always been god. to say otherwise is false doctrine. "

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" 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' -Matthew 7:21-23 basically just calling yourself a christian doesn't make you one"

and then you posted mathew 12:31 and mark 3:28 to which i responded which was kind of the nail on the coffin

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"^^ if one rejects the evidence given by the holy spirit that person rejects the only evidence faith is based. without this there can be no forgiveness. it is not saying that this is an unforgiveable sin but that by its nature it rejects faith, which is needed to ask for forgiveness 1 Timothy 1:13 explains it a little better. the reason it is split up is that if someone is blasephemous against the son of man they may see their sin through the testimony of the holy spirit and become a beleiver. if one rejects this holy spirit they can not see their sin. this is not what the mormon doctrine is doing. mormon doctrine says that some sins are so greivous in nature they cannot be attoned by the blood of christ, this is false doctrine. it is not christian doctrine basically if you are trying to use that scripture to support mormon doctrine it isn't going to work. "

to which you couldnt reply. i'll refrain from telling you why mormonism is stupid, but it should be clear that it is not christianity

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 5:35 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2007 5:32:47 PM

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"I let that be known about a year into the relationship. We have been together for over 5 years."

And what I'm saying is, she probably realized that she couldn't deal with not having her Mormon wedding/sealing thing. Sometimes people think they can deal with stuff they can't.

2/21/2007 5:43:01 PM

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"spookyjon: Mormonism is so fucked up, I don't see how anyone could be involved with somebody who was seriously into it. I mean, it's better than Scientology, but not by much. "

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2/21/2007 5:44:32 PM

Seriously.... would you really want to be married to this girl for all of eternity??

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 6:14 PM. Reason : ]

2/21/2007 6:14:04 PM

WELCOME TO MY FUCKING PAIN

FAMILIES FIRST IN MORMONISM - WAIT YOU LEFT THE FAITH, OMG WE MIGHT DISOWN YOU

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"^^yeah, the church encourages people to have a personal relationship with the Savior. Sorry to burst your bubble."

Go read your McConkie. Sure Sheri Dew talks about this personal relationship nonsense but the Brethern have been steadfast against this notion dating back to Joseph Smith

And Guth, Blood Atonement is not part of mormon theology just as much as Adam-God isn't. and Joseph Smith and his sucessors refered to themselves as Christian. It isn't trinitarian christianity, but it is christianity none the less.

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 6:22 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2007 6:17:07 PM

speaking of mormons
some chased me down today , gave me a 10 minute speech (woulda been longer if i hadnt said im going to be late) , told me to pray so i can see the light, and then proceded to ask if they could have my phone number so they could follow up on my 'praying'.



[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 7:39 PM. Reason : o]

2/21/2007 7:18:39 PM

skank, hello this is robster's wife and i am a member of the LDS faith. There are many topics flying around on this thread which i could clarify, but I'm just going to reply to your apparent frustration. It sounds as though she eventually decided she did want a temple marriage even though maybe at first it didn't seem as important or she thought you would be able to find interest in her faith. The temple is the house of the lord and HE wants everyone to enter. They must prepare themselves first.It is not a secret place it is a sacred place. I am sorry that things didn't work out with your girl as you thought they should. It sounds as though there were some communication errors and perhaps a change of heart on her part. I know there is a God who loves all his children and wants them all to be happy. I have found happiness with my "temple marriage" and i know it can last past this life and into the eternities. She wanted that and probably wanted that for you too, but you have your agency and she can't change that. (sorry for the lengthy response, but this is a topic near to my heart)

2/21/2007 7:57:47 PM

i don't mean to be offensive, but you people are silly

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oh wait a minute, yeah, i did mean to be offensive

YOU PEOPLE ARE SILLY

2/21/2007 9:31:26 PM

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"How can a _____ blind someone enough to believe that there is only one way to live your life?"

Somebody else pick a noun so we can adlib the rest of this thread. I haven't read the thread, but religion and TWW in general don't mix.

2/21/2007 10:13:45 PM

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"The temple is the house of the lord and HE wants everyone to enter. They must prepare themselves first.It is not a secret place it is a sacred place. I am sorry that things didn't work out with your girl as you thought they should. It sounds as though there were some communication errors and perhaps a change of heart on her part. I know there is a God who loves all his children and wants them all to be happy. I have found happiness with my "temple marriage" and i know it can last past this life and into the eternities. She wanted that and probably wanted that for you too, but you have your agency and she can't change that. (sorry for the lengthy response, but this is a topic near to my heart) "

brainwashed

2/22/2007 1:07:42 AM

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"I'm a Merman!!!"

2/22/2007 1:20:21 AM

Come Robster's wife, let us go down together. The information against this church is sufficient for my needs. Besides, we must remember that the church has become nothing more than philosophies of men mingled with scripture.

As for you skankinande, I can show you all the tokens and signs of the priesthood, if you give me the day your wife went through the temple I can tell you her temple name and if I'm in a good mood, I can arange for an area that looks like the sealing room and conduct you guys through the cultish practices and seal you and your wife for all time and eternity.

2/22/2007 7:25:31 AM

go down where .. what are you talkin about?

2/22/2007 9:47:43 AM

I was waiting for your responses nutsmak. Pretty much I believe that she wanted us to happen but her parents and "leaders" have been dropping hints the whole time we have been together and it has been heightened by our impending marriage. If she wasnt still living at home then it wouldnt have been a problem but she was. I dont want to ever see her parents or any missionary again in my life. I think I am starting to deal with it, it just sucks that I had done nothing wrong.

2/22/2007 10:29:12 AM

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"brainwashed "

wow, i thought the same thing

2/22/2007 10:36:47 AM

Your right man, it sucks. Probably sucks alot for her though to, cause she most likely loves her family more than she does you ... just a guess ... and so her decision was not just about you and religion, but one of you and her and her and her family (not that they would disown her, but rather just feel dissapointed).

Ill tell ya what ... even with my wife and I being the same religion, its hard enough to constantly work out little differences of opinion and become selflessly involved in a relationship... even with small differences in the "zeal" that one has regarding their religion, things can be hard at times. As you can see from my wifes post above she is much more "interested" in and zealous about beliefs, while I just enjoy the ride for the most part, because it does bring happiness to my life, but its not an active interest of mine. I just enjoy a "christian life", and thats what it comes down to for me.

Even if she was willing to marry you, chances are it wouldnt have worked out. She would always have at least some pull towards the religion, and you would probably always feel a little bit out of place with things when family or church things came up.

Maybe thats too honest for you, but its easier to take the pain now than later on down the road.

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 10:40 AM. Reason : .]

2/22/2007 10:39:28 AM

Nah man, she has had the full court press put on her. She felt as though her parents would disown her, she knew nothing of the religion but what she had been told. I would ask her basic questions about it and she had no idea. She was scared and very impressionable and is living under their roof. While we were in Raleigh she was a different person, I just hate she had to move home cause they crushed her spirit. Just because you have fallen into the trap robster doesnt mean everyone willingly goes.

2/22/2007 10:57:23 AM

So you wanted to be the influence on her religious decisions rather than her parents.

You're way more intimately involved in the situation (obviously) but have you ever considered that she was making her own religious decisions - or was it extremely obvious that others were attempting to make them for her? I would encourage and teach my children to be married in the temple, but in the end it's their life. I'll respect their decision.

I once broke up with someone I was dating for this exact same reason. We didn't even make it close to an engagement, we only dated a few months. I didn't get any leader/missionary/parental pressure. Heck, I just remember it hitting me one day... I thought about the path I was on, about it's logical conclusion, and I decided to change that path.

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 11:07 AM. Reason : -]

2/22/2007 11:05:31 AM

But the religion has an overbearing pressure on its members. My problem is the lack of free will that they teach, that and that everyone else is going to hell. If it was her then bravo, but you dont know her parents and the kind of pressure that they put on her.

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 11:09 AM. Reason : I wish I had cheated on her or something, that would have at least made it seem real.]

2/22/2007 11:09:11 AM

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"I just enjoy a "christian life", and thats what it comes down to for me."

what about when it comes down to "all of eternity" and having your spirit children?

2/22/2007 11:09:49 AM

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"i can say that i dont know hardly anyone that has benefitted from being a member of ANY religion......... they are all equally as fucked up and worthless... just in different ways"

best post in the whole thread

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"Furthermore, I've known more people that are fucked up from being Catholic than I know people who are benefitted from being Catholic."

donny, as much as I like you, you probably don't know many Catholics or for that matter some of the people you do know have bigger problems/issues than their religion put on them

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 11:20 AM. Reason : trying to be nice]

2/22/2007 11:15:31 AM

Sigh... this is why I don't believe in following a specific religion. In 2001 when I wrote my paper for Philosophy of Relion (3 out of 108 students got an A, I was one of them) there were 5,803 VERSIONS of the bible in ENGLISH ALONE.

This of course is a version based upon other versions (generally) that are translated from hebrew that was written by monks who took stories from apostles (old guys) which had first account information about events (supposedly).

Now lets look at this...

That's like saying your Sisters, Brothers Cousin who knows a guy, that wrote down the recipe about a cake that some guy saw being made...

You don't for one minute doubt the words that are in that book you read?

The foundation for ALL religions is blind faith as a basis. I'm not saying the teachings are wrong, I'm not saying the point is not important... I'm saying that you should not view religion like this and quote the bible. That's like quoting Star magazine as fact.

Openly admit that you agree with this lifestyle, not that "god told you to" or "the bible tells me to". Don't be a lemming... be an open minded individual.

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 11:29 AM. Reason : !]

2/22/2007 11:28:15 AM

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"1. If he tells your that you are hot... Tell him God made you hot. 2. If he wants to hold your hand... Give him a Bible. 3. If he tries to get closer... Tell him the Holy Spirit is wooing him. 4. If he asks to pay for dinner... Remind him that Jesus also paid a debt He did not owe! 5. If he reaches his arm around you... Tell him that nobody will ever be as close to you as Jesus is. (or ask him if you instead could "lay hands" on him in prayer) 6. If he tries to kiss you... Remind him that a kiss killed your Savior. (and you're not ready to "speak in tongues") 7. If he asks to come inside... Ask him if he has asked Jesus to come inside his heart. 8. If he tells you he loves you... Tell him that Jesus loves him. 9. If he gets angry that you won't put out... Clarify to him that W.W.J.D. does NOT mean "Who would Jesus Do." 10. After you dump him... Tell him that Jesus Christ will never leave or forsake him"

that sucks though man... but that behavior extends far past religion. i lead some group sessions for ex druggies some nights (not AA/NA bullshit) and a lot of those people bring their sig others. mainly i think to work out resentment they have against someone who bailed out on them. tons of people admittedly had this secret goal to change their partner in some way. they were totally convinced bob would just stop drugs cause he loved her or whatever.

i think its the same whether its converting their religion or converting their habits. anyway, most of them bail when they finally start to understand that its not gonna happen (or in some cases not without work) after leading their partner on for all this time. IN CONCLUSION, i dont think its fair to pin it on a mormon. there are tons of other people who would want to change you a different way and bail out when they cant. even though logic dictates the whole time that if left on course, most things will not change..

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 11:41 AM. Reason : .]

2/22/2007 11:28:44 AM

lol i always get a good laugh whenever someone starts quoting the bible.... b/c just about everything in it can be contradicted by something else in it....

2/22/2007 11:34:25 AM

such as?

2/22/2007 11:46:38 AM

Every mormon I have ever known was a great person. My mormon neighbors bring over cookies and brownies often, and their daughter refuses to take money for watching our dog. Never will you a find people more scrupulous.

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 12:06 PM. Reason : O I SPELT STUFFZ WRONG LOL]

2/22/2007 11:49:05 AM

nevermind the fact that they're all raving lunatics

2/22/2007 11:57:31 AM

MORMON.

IT IS SPELLED "MORMON".

Christ.

2/22/2007 11:58:32 AM

^^^^ I really hope you aren't asking me for an example....

the easiest and quickest is, "eye for eye", then "do unto others"

there are many many more though

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 11:59 AM. Reason : ^^]

2/22/2007 11:59:35 AM

Yes, "they're all raving lunatics." What are you, then, if you actually believe that?

2/22/2007 12:08:52 PM

correct?

2/22/2007 12:09:23 PM

Oh, that's actually the wrong answer. The word I was looking for was, "ignorant." Good effort, though.

2/22/2007 12:10:31 PM

DOH!

2/22/2007 12:18:25 PM

2/22/2007 12:21:54 PM

can't we all just agree that god is dead? we're just going to rot in the ground when we die? its so much easier. no burden whatsoever!

2/22/2007 12:25:06 PM

well that's what's gonna happen to your physical body, definitely

rather you will turn into a slimy mush.... thanks to how people get buried nowadays inside super sealed boxes in concrete.....

2/22/2007 12:34:56 PM

In order for God to be dead, he had to be alive at some point. I'll be the first to say that I don't believe in God, but because I know and respect people that do, I can't jump on the "everyone that is religious is a bad person" bandwagon.

2/22/2007 12:36:30 PM

I guess you can look at it this way: be happy you didn't end up with someone that can't make up their mind, and whose opinion is easily swayed (meaning mostly by her parents). Better it didn't happen AFTER you got married....

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 12:41 PM. Reason : (]

2/22/2007 12:41:20 PM

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" 7. If he asks to come inside... Ask him if he has asked Jesus to come inside his heart. "

I am going to hell for laughing at that.

2/22/2007 1:01:25 PM

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"Every mormon I have ever known was a great person. My mormon neighbors bring over cookies and brownies often, and their daughter refuses to take money for watching our dog."

I've never known a bad mormon either. THey were among the first people down to N.O. after the flooding, and they have those commercials that tell you to be good to your neighbor. And Ken Jennings was a mormon too, IIRC.

Their beliefs do seem nutty and delusional though, I don't know how they are such good people.

Same with the Jehova's Witnesses.

Regular Christians though are mostly just hypocrites.

2/22/2007 1:10:30 PM

you guys are taking all of this too seriously. Of course you will have hardcore mormons, like this guys girlfriend and her family, but you also have mormons who are mormons but dont really practice the lifestyle. They have sluts, emo kids, preps, and every other kind of clique you can think of. This guy just got screwed over by the girls family who clearly are hardcore.

2/22/2007 1:11:25 PM

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"They have sluts"

YES they DO!

2/22/2007 1:13:35 PM

On that note, would it be wrong if I posted nudes on our wedding site?

2/22/2007 1:16:55 PM

depends on your religion.


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ZING

2/22/2007 1:19:36 PM

^^^

2 for me

2/22/2007 1:23:06 PM

double post

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2007 1:23:46 PM

Sorry for your loss, man, but it sounds to me like you're better off.

Just be happy in the knowledge that when she dies, she'll realize that she made a mistake.

Actually, she won't realize anything. She'll be dead.

2/22/2007 1:37:40 PM

Thats the one good thing about this, I will never have any regrets, all of that mess is on her end.

2/22/2007 1:40:08 PM

Raige

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"Sigh... this is why I don't believe in following a specific religion. In 2001 when I wrote my paper for Philosophy of Relion (3 out of 108 students got an A, I was one of them) there were 5,803 VERSIONS of the bible in ENGLISH ALONE. "

5,803 versions? I think the word you're looking for is manuscripts, which are copies of the original, not differing versions...and thats the number that are in Greek, not English. There are an additional 9,000 manuscripts in other languages. It is from these roughly 15,000 manuscripts (w/ a time gap of 25 years between the original and the first surviving copy) that we can construct the original with unquestionable accuracy. All significant literature from the ancient world is reconstructed into its original form by comparing the manuscripts that survive. It helps to have a large number of manuscripts that are written not long after the original. The New Testament documents have more manuscripts, earlier manuscripts, and more abundantly supported manuscripts than the best ten pieces of classical literature combined. The next closest work is Homer's Iliad with about 650 manuscripts (w/ a time gap of about 500 years between the original and first surviving copy)

The great New Testament scholar and Princeton professor Bruce Metzger estimated that the New Testament we have today is about 99.5 percent accurate to the original, with the .5 percent in question not affecting a single doctrine of the Christian faith.

[Edited on February 22, 2007 at 1:45 PM. Reason : /]

2/22/2007 1:41:31 PM