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"he has the gall to do something other than rape every poor person he meets."

Speaking of rape. Do you think Jesus is glad that the U.S. shut down Saddam's rape rooms?

We're too selfish according to Edwards? How come when he was amassing his fortune as a trial lawyer, he failed to charge clients only what he needed for bare survival? Why didn't he give the bulk of the money he sucked out of the medical industry to charity? How is it he berates America for being selfish while he moves into his brand new mansion?

The biggest contributors to his campaign are his fellow lawyers. Now this group is widely known for their unselfishness. Jesus probably loves lawyers.

And Edwards tells us that Jesus is disappointed because we're ignoring the suffering of others. Who does the countries of the world look to in time of catastrophe? Which country shells out more money for humanitarian aid than all the countries of the world combined?

This guy is just another jerk trying to get into power by attacking the very people who will elect him.

3/6/2007 10:47:57 AM

John Edwards:

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"I think that Jesus would be disappointed in our ignoring the plight of those around us who are suffering and our focus on our own selfish short-term needs"

How does anyone not see right through this guy? What a damn hypocrite.

3/6/2007 12:56:46 PM

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"How does anyone not see right through this guy?"

probably because the majority of the country is gullible

also he is handsome and looks good on TV...who cares what he says when he looks good on TV? Worked for Clinton and Bush and got them elected

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 12:59 PM. Reason : worked since JFK]

3/6/2007 12:58:47 PM

What, because hes wealthy? Evidently you idiots had no problem with the "compassionate conservatism" bullshit fed to you by a Texas Oilman and a war profiteering CEO in 2000 and 2004.

3/6/2007 1:00:20 PM

no not because he is wealthy, because he is a hypocrite

let me guess, are you defending him because he is wealthy a Democrat?

3/6/2007 1:02:19 PM

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"What, because hes wealthy? Evidently you idiots had no problem with the "compassionate conservatism" bullshit fed to you by a Texas Oilman and a war profiteering CEO in 2000 and 2004."

How did you conclude that I had no problem with that? The point is that he spends way more than anyone needs to, then goes around talking about two Americas and what Jesus would do. I'm sorry, but if you cannot understand that this guy is 100% disingenuous, then you're the only idiot here.

3/6/2007 1:03:16 PM

You don't understand the most basic concepts about political science and elections. It takes money to run an effective campaign and to be heard. If he was just another average joe on the street no one would listen.




[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 1:12 PM. Reason : /]

3/6/2007 1:07:38 PM

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"You don't understand the most basic concepts about political science and elections. It takes money to run an effective campaign and to be heard. If he was just another average joe on the street no one would listen."

No, I understand perfectly. I'm not suggesting that John Edwards sell his house and live a more "average" life. I'm not suggesting that he give away more of his money. I'm suggesting that he stop pandering to the lower class when it's clear to me that he doesn't give a rat's ass about them.

3/6/2007 1:09:42 PM

ahaha..."The American Dream" is apparently to extort companies, mostly based on the utter pathetic state of our legal system

3/6/2007 1:13:22 PM

How is he a hyppocrite? He pulled himself up by the bootstraps and made himself successful. He wasnt a trust fund baby or had a rich dad/head of the CIA/vice president. Hes a normal guy who worked and accomplished a lot. Thats the American dream right? So hes a hypocrite for accomplishing the American dream and preaching that hard work brings success? If anything you are the hypocrite for not applying the same standard to your candidate as I do to mine.

I don't need to hear about how America is a land of opportunity from some millionaire Republican trust fund baby who never worked a day in his life, and then pushes economic policies to curtail economic mobility for the poor and middle class. I want someone who exemplifies what you are supposed to do to succeed.

^Address my points



[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 1:17 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2007 1:14:48 PM

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" I want someone who exemplifies what you are supposed to succeed"

I want someone who exemplifies the American Dream...someone who comes from humble beginnings...works hard, studies hard...goes to college and then further pursues education...then makes tens of millions of dollars off extorting businesses...thats the exemplary way to succeed...by chasing ambulances

^maybe I'd address your points if you had any serious points...instead of "bush has never worked a day in his life" and "edwards is a model human being in every sense"

gimme a fuckin break

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 1:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2007 1:16:07 PM

What would have happened if he was a sucky lawyer?

3/6/2007 1:18:26 PM

You have no understanding of how the world works or what you believe. You can't even make a statement without swearing, which is the sign of lack of education. I have a paper to write.... I've had enough of your evasive tactics and irrationality.

3/6/2007 1:20:27 PM

i dunno but instead of winning a case for $60 million and taking $20 million of that...he could probably work the numbers a little less selfishly...i mean shit I would take the $20 million myself...but I'd also admit I was selfish and not try to act like a golden boy

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"You can't even make a statement without swearing, which is the sign of lack of education"

I guess wishing the vice president rots in hell is a sign of education?

Vthe percentages are not

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"Edwards' old law firm reportedly kept between 25 and 40 percent of the jury awards/settlements during the time he worked there. "

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200401%5CPOL20040120a.html

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 1:27 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2007 1:23:21 PM

are those numbers completely made up?

3/6/2007 1:24:32 PM

So is the problem with him as a person, him being a lawyer, lawyers in general or people who make 33% profit margins?

3/6/2007 1:26:10 PM

^well I'm not a fan of lawyers in general

but with Edwards, its more of a "you shouldnt be greedy, dont take more than you need, think about the poor people...oh by the way I own 3 houses, all worth more than a million bucks"

how come politicians all of a sudden are getting a free pass on their hypocrisy? because they're expected to be rich? so that makes it ok?

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 1:29 PM. Reason : ,.]

3/6/2007 1:29:25 PM

Since when did conservatives start hating on rich people? Since they found out some are liberals?

3/6/2007 1:35:48 PM

all conservatives love ron artest...he is rich

3/6/2007 1:40:08 PM

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"Since when did conservatives start hating on rich people? Since they found out some are liberals?"

How are you missing the point like this? Conservatives aren't hating on rich people. We encourage people to get rich and spend their money, or do whatever they want with their money. When people like John Edwards come out and pretend that they care about the poor, I think that is clearly hypocritical. This doesn't have anything to do with conservative/liberal, this has to do with John Edwards being a bad person.

3/6/2007 1:48:48 PM

So him having 3 houses shows he doesn't care about the poor? Or did I miss something?

3/6/2007 1:53:34 PM

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"So him having 3 houses shows he doesn't care about the poor? Or did I miss something?"

Have you seen those houses? Do you think he could have lived with anything less, and given the rest to fight poverty? He's playing class warfare but he's not even doing anything to assist the lower class. It's the same as Al Gore asking us to ride bikes, while he shoots all over the country in a private jet. They believe that America is comprised of fools that won't catch on to what they're doing, and sadly, they're mostly right.

3/6/2007 1:57:07 PM

or the bush admin asking us to support the troops.

3/6/2007 2:00:06 PM

i think we can all agree that most politicians are hypocritical, so its really not a partisan issue.

does that excuse it? of course not, but its not really worth debating, imo.




[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 2:04 PM. Reason : e]

3/6/2007 2:01:09 PM

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"and given the rest to fight poverty?"

Do you know how much he has given to charity? Its irrational to think a man would give away all of his wealth.

3/6/2007 2:04:05 PM

hell, id even say that most people are hypocritical, however the general population doesnt get called out on it becuase they arent in the public eye and scrutinized like politicians and celebrities.

3/6/2007 2:04:54 PM

^^^^^ So in your twisted, delusional world, someone can ONLY care about poor people if they live like Mother Theresa?

What about Bill Gates, he gives BILLIONS to charity, more than your entire family could in 10 lifetimes (maybe), but lives in a gigantic mansion, is all his charity for naught because he's a greedy rich person?

I'm not defending Edwards, I don't even like him, but i find it odd that conservatives that would argue that Exxon is just doing normal business and is an otherwise generous company, are painting Edwards as a big, greedy hypocrite. It's hypocritical.

As far as politicians go, which they couldn't be politicians if they gave all their money to the poor, Edwards is one of the least impugnable ones. And besides that, our political system would crumble if we actually expected true ethics and good ideologies from our politicians. Right now, they are just figure heads for ideas, just like many people see Bush/Republicans as religious or courageous, they're just politicians who have neither of those qualities (esp. Cheney).

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 2:05 PM. Reason : ]

3/6/2007 2:05:19 PM

I guess you've missed one of my points. Again, I have NO PROBLEM with John Edwards spending his money like he has. None at all. I don't even know why he donates all the money he does, I sure as hell wouldn't. It infuriates me because he's painting himself as this "champion of the poor," and I personally think that he isn't. He's a politician, he's a liar, and it goes with the business, but for someone that talks about two Americas, his lifestyle is a little disappointing.

3/6/2007 2:08:28 PM

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"It infuriates me because he's painting himself as this "champion of the poor," and I personally think that he isn't. He's a politician, he's a liar, and it goes with the business, but for someone that talks about two Americas, his lifestyle is a little disappointing."

Okay, I understand that.

In that case, why come to an argument about politicians, on a political section of a message board, merely to point out that you hate politicians?

3/6/2007 2:11:54 PM

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"How come when he was amassing his fortune as a trial lawyer, he failed to charge clients only what he needed for bare survival? Why didn't he give the bulk of the money he sucked out of the medical industry to charity? How is it he berates America for being selfish while he moves into his brand new mansion?"

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"I'm not suggesting that John Edwards sell his house and live a more "average" life. I'm not suggesting that he give away more of his money. I'm suggesting that he stop pandering to the lower class when it's clear to me that he doesn't give a rat's ass about them."

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"The American Dream" is apparently to extort companies, mostly based on the utter pathetic state of our legal system"

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"It's the same as Al Gore asking us to ride bikes, while he shoots all over the country in a private jet. They believe that America is comprised of fools that won't catch on to what they're doing, and sadly, they're mostly right. "

If I could make one giant I would.

1) United States tax codes do not allow you to sell your homes and keep the money. You must invest it in other housing interests before a set amount of time has passed OR it will be considered taxable income. Now what would you, a sensible American, do with that $7 million? Have the Bush Administration tax it? maybe seeing as your tax rate is at its lowest its going to be in a long time.

2) Give up on this "ambulance chaser/medical vampire" bullshit. Because thats all it is. Pure Sean Hannity bullshit. You mean to tell me if your baby was killed in an a car accident because Ford Motors wouldnt put on gas tank shields, you'd be cool with that? Or if your wife is paralized after having a baby because the doctor decided she needed a shot when she didnt?

3) So in order to represent people you must be just like them. Well frack me...I'm not gay, poor, black, a child, uneducated, southern, or business man. Guess that means I'll just have to take my ball and go home.

4) Al Gore? Havent we been over this? You can live a life, such as fly a jet, and still protect the enivornment by taking measures to fix the consquences of such actions. However I'm not sure you know what I mean by that.

I seriously DO NOT like defending Edwards, b/c I cannot seem to get behind him anymore, but sometimes you idiots just go out of the way and spew GOP Memo crap & drag me back into it.

3/6/2007 3:23:01 PM

so what exactly is "GOP memo crap" about pointing out how ambulance chasers exploit the legal system?

THIS BABY WAS BORN WITH CEREBRAL PALSY? WELL THATS CLEARLY THE DOCTOR'S FAULT, LETS SUE HIS WHOLE FUCKING COMPANY!

btw I think you do like defending Edwards

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 3:32 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2007 3:31:13 PM

^ do you even know how medical insurance works? B/c if not then please stop me.

please, explain to me how what youve been saying isnt GOP crap? Ever since Edwards was running for any office, the Right has slammed him over and over and over and over and over for being a "ambulance chaser". It has always been the cool catch phrase to throw around. Apparently much like faggot-nancy boy-gay is now. thus its been done enough, let it go. attack the guy for his policies or something new.

How is suing someone for wronging you expoliting the legal system? do you even know what kind of law he practiced? you do realize hes not Lionel Hutz right?

oh and im just forunate (i guess) to know more about Edwards than most people. doesnt make me an expert, but more knowledgable.

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 3:50 PM. Reason : last part]

3/6/2007 3:49:48 PM

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"United States tax codes do not allow you to sell your homes and keep the money. You must invest it in other housing interests before a set amount of time has passed OR it will be considered taxable income."

I know. But why, if he's such a chanpion of the poor, doesn't he lead by example...get a smaller house and pay more in taxes. Taxes that would go to the welfare of others? Because he's looking out for himself..just like the rest of us. But when he does it, it's ok. When we look out for ourselves, we're pissing off Jesus.

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"You mean to tell me if your baby was killed in an a car accident because Ford Motors wouldnt put on gas tank shields, you'd be cool with that? "

But why take such a big chunk of the settlement? Why not let the victims keep more of it? Why not donate a big chunk of it to charity? Why keep it for you and your family when so many are in need? I'm ok with lawyers making a ton of money, but don't turn around and berate the rest of us when we're trying to do the same... just to put your ass into office.

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"So in order to represent people you must be just like them."

Well politicians love to keep hammering into us how they are just like us. Why is that? Edwards is the worst kind of hypocrite. He makes millions and shames us and others who would try to do the same as being selfish and greedy. Let me throw this right back at you.

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2007 3:55:25 PM

what is your feeling about ceo pay?

3/6/2007 4:13:38 PM

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"How is suing someone for wronging you expoliting the legal system?"

Its not but suing a doctor for millions of dollars because of a birth defect that the doctor had zero contol over IS exploiting the legal system

If you sue Craftsman and Home Depot because somebody bought a chainsaw there and killed someone, that would be exploiting the legal system

You act like lawyers are a great ethical profession in the first place

Lawyers and Politicians...two of the sleaziest professions in the country...and he is both

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"the Right has slammed him over and over and over and over and over for being a "ambulance chaser". It has always been the cool catch phrase to throw around."

Ambulance chaser has been a derogatory term for exploitive lawyers long before Edwards tried to run for President in 04...and it doesnt change how they're scum and its a scum profession and how thats what he used to do to make his dozens of millions of dollars

If I get hurt and am going to file a lawsuit, I am going to do my research, not hire the first guy to meet me in the hospital parking lot when the medics open the double doors in the back of the wagon...its a pretty greedy profession, completely motivated by profit...I really have no idea why you are defending him based on that, unless you like defending him

3/6/2007 4:25:23 PM

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"Its not but suing a doctor for millions of dollars because of a birth defect that the doctor had zero contol over IS exploiting the legal system"

ah yes. this claim. medical advances in the last 5 years call into question medical decisions of 20 years ago. but all those people 20 years ago were fradulent lying bastards. bullshit.

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"You act like lawyers are a great ethical profession in the first place"

and all used cars are lemons

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"If I get hurt and am going to file a lawsuit"

you scum!

we have a legal system for a fucking reason. attack lawyers all you want, but when shit goes down who else is going to be able to save your ass?

3/6/2007 4:44:25 PM

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"How is suing someone for wronging you expoliting the legal system? do you even know what kind of law he practiced? you do realize hes not Lionel Hutz right?"

apparently you don't know about some of the bullshit cases he has been involved with... and lost for that matter

but you know him oh so well

3/6/2007 4:49:54 PM

^^If you (god forbid) have a child who happens to have a birth defect...a defect that could only be known once the child was born...a defect that would exist regardless of the doctor...somebody would find out...and they would cold call you and try to get you to file a suit...the fact that you cant even see how this is a cancer on society is baffling

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"we have a legal system for a fucking reason."

is one of those reasons to get a stupid woman 10 million dollars because she doesnt understand the kindergarten concept that coffee is hot?

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" attack lawyers all you want, but when shit goes down who else is going to be able to save your ass?"

and when you say a lawyer who is going to "save your ass" do you mean a defense attorney? or an attorney who exploits victims' injuries with expensive lawsuits by ambushing recently injured victims in hospital parking lots?

3/6/2007 4:54:07 PM

ah yes. the coffee case.

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"By its own corporate standards, McDonald’s sells coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit"

sounds safe to me

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"During trial, McDonald’s admitted that it had known about the risk of serious burns from its coffee for more than 10 years. From 1982 to 1992, McDonald’s received more than 700 reports of burns from scalding coffee; some of the injured were children and infants. Many customers received severe burns to the genital area, perineum, inner thighs and buttocks.[5]In addition, many of these claims were settled, amounting to more than $500,000.[6]"

quite a responsible company

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" As a result of her injuries, Ms. Liebeck spent eight days in a hospital. In that time she underwent expensive treatments for third-degree burns including debridement (removal of dead tissue) and skin grafting. The burns left her scarred and disabled for more than two years.[8]Before a suit was ever filed, Liebeck informed McDonald’s about her injuries and asked for compensation for her medical bills, which totaled almost $11,000.[9]McDonald’s countered with a ludicrously low $800 offer. "

just out to make a buck

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"McDonald’s had several other chances to settle the case before trial: At one point, Liebeck’s attorney offered to settle for $300,000.[10] In addition, days before the trial, the judge ordered both sides into a mediated settlement conference where the mediator, a retired judge, recommended that McDonald’s settle for $225,000.[11] McDonald’s refused all attempts to settle the case"

http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/tort/myths/articles.cfm?ID=785

have you ever gotten injured? have you ever known someone who has gotten injured on the job. when you work construction, get hurt and the company decides to not pay you even though you werent injured through personal neglect how do you plan on paying the hospital bills? how do you plan on paying for food? here is a hint. its called a lawyer

3/6/2007 5:02:34 PM

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"what is your feeling about ceo pay?"

I dunno...is the ceo telling everyone that Jesus is ashamed of them for trying to succeed too?

3/6/2007 5:04:56 PM

^^Are you siding with the woman in the McDonald's case ONLY because McDonald's is a big evil corporation?

I guess all your Darwinistic ideas about natural selection don't apply to morons who spill hot coffee on themselves?

And McDonalds sold the coffee...I guess if I got some coffee at McDonalds, went out to Western/Gorman at the stop light and threw the hot coffee on somebody's face and burnt their face, they would sue McDonalds because they served their coffee too hot!

obviously Edwards didnt have anything to do with that case (although I bet he got a hardon thinking about the potential for profit)...but if you dont think thats an example of how fucked up the legal system is then theres no point in me arguing why I think some of Edwards' cases were equally as ridiculous

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"During trial, McDonald’s admitted that it had known about the risk of serious burns from its coffee for more than 10 years"

Sounds kind of like "McDonald's admitted they had been smart enough for at least 10 years to know that coffee, is hot"

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2007 5:06:58 PM

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"apparently you don't know about some of the bullshit cases he has been involved with... and lost for that matter but you know him oh so well"

I see where you are getting at, but dont make it out to be something larger than life. I think your supposed view that he thinks he's larger than Jesus is what makes you believe he has to be totally perfect.

ah ha! slanderism is finer.

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 5:12 PM. Reason : ok]

3/6/2007 5:09:19 PM

^I said neither of those quotes so please go eat a dick until you can learn how to read

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 5:10 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2007 5:09:57 PM

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"Are you siding with the woman in the McDonald's case ONLY because McDonald's is a big evil corporation"

lets review:
#1 McDonald's knew their coffee was dangerous (criminal negligence)
#2 She was actually injured (I guess you didnt read that part)
#3 She initially asked for her hospital bills to be covered. Following that her lawyers asked for a fee large enough to cover her hospital visit plus the extra amount that is always tacked on when you have to fight to get what is owed to you. If they had said yes at either point they would have saved themselves a ton of cash.

McDonald's wasnt evil. They were criminally negligent and stupid.

3/6/2007 5:15:07 PM

see that is my bad. but soo touchy arent we

EarthDogg, dude, seriously nm even trying to talk to you.

but twista, oh twista,

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"obviously Edwards didnt have anything to do with that case (although I bet he got a hardon thinking about the potential for profit)...but if you dont think thats an example of how fucked up the legal system is then theres no point in me arguing why I think some of Edwards' cases were equally as ridiculous"

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"Its not but suing a doctor for millions of dollars because of a birth defect that the doctor had zero contol over IS exploiting the legal system You act like lawyers are a great ethical profession in the first place"

Never said they were, but thanks for thinking for me. And suing a doctor for malpractice, and suing a insurance company b/c they protect that doctor isnt exploiting.

Sure some cases that rise thru the system ARE ridiculous. I'm not here defending those. I am here defending the good ones and making sure you don't get the two confused.

However you guys seem hell bent ON confusing them. Or atleast pretending too. But whatever, I stand by what I edited, and thats I've been around here too long to no this goes no where.

"eat a dick"?

what is this freshman year?

3/6/2007 5:18:16 PM

^^Lets REALLY review:

#1. McDonalds serves coffee hot. People drink coffee hot. If not they would go to Starbucks for an iced coffee. If you don't want a hot drink at McDonalds, they have plenty of soft drink or juice alternatives. And I doubt McDonalds advocates operating a motor vehicle while doing something as distracting as engaging in a meal. Also, the stupid ass woman should know that anything hot is inherently dangerous
#2. She injured herself. McDonalds didnt pour the coffee on her. McDonalds cant hold her hand while she drinks her coffee and babysit her children while they eat their fries.
#3. Her lawyers asked for money. More proof that they are profit motive crooks.

McDonald's wasnt evil. The woman was stupid.

^

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"eat a dick"? what is this freshman year? "

misquote someone and criticize them for something they never said? what is this 1st grade where you dont know how to read yet?

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2007 5:19:30 PM

i was going to post another response. but realized you cant read, so why bother with facts.

have at it tree.

3/6/2007 5:21:37 PM

facts huh

whatever...you apparently think that people shouldnt be responsible for their own decisions and actions...if I buy some notebook paper at the C-Store and get a paper cut, I should probably sue NC State and Mead for providing "dangerous sharp paper" without sufficient warning...because I am too much of a fucking dumbass to realize things like "coffee is hot"

hey maybe if you are cooking some Ramen Noodles and you spill the water on you and burn yourself you can sue Wake County Utilities Department for providing the water...or perhaps the manufacturer of your hot water heater since they didnt warn the moron sufficiently

3/6/2007 5:24:49 PM

so the cary child whose intestines were sucked out by a jacuzzi should just suck it up

[Edited on March 6, 2007 at 5:35 PM. Reason : oh geez that is unfortunate wording]

3/6/2007 5:35:21 PM

you are right. consumer protection is such a dumb idea.

3/6/2007 5:35:26 PM