If you get pulled over and the cop asks to search your car and you say no, what happens?

4/6/2007 8:39:35 AM

he tries to intimidate you into giving up your rights.

4/6/2007 8:57:19 AM

He has to get a warrant unless there is visible evidence that gives him probable cause to search

(Like if you have a crackpipe or an open beer bottle in the cupholder)

I believe that right is all null and void if you're deemed under the influence of any controlled substance as well (Becuase you'll be placed under arrest)



[Edited on April 6, 2007 at 9:02 AM. Reason : ]

4/6/2007 8:58:34 AM

^all he's gotta do is say he smells weed or alcohol and that's probable cause, wether or not it's actually the truth.....at that point it's the cops word over yours, and all things being equal, they're going to go with the cop.

4/6/2007 9:01:04 AM

Correct you are.

Sad, really...but that's the way it works

Still, if a cop asks, say no... even if you have nothing. I've actually been asked and the cop let me go without much of a hassle, of course the only reason he asked is becuase he said I looked nervous at a license check (Becuase I had 3 beers and was 18). I guess if he had a good gut feeling you were a little crooked he'd give you hell about it.

[Edited on April 6, 2007 at 9:05 AM. Reason : ]

4/6/2007 9:02:39 AM

I do plan on saying no, if/when the situation arises. But I've often wondered what will come next.

4/6/2007 9:05:04 AM

I'd say it depends a lot on which cop asks you the question.

4/6/2007 9:06:25 AM

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"ITs not hard to find out if someone is profiling, you just run the numbers."

Because just because he's a racist, doesn't mean he's a liar....[/sarcasm]

Seems to be an equally bad week for police in the local press this week, eh?

[Edited on April 6, 2007 at 9:18 AM. Reason : add]

4/6/2007 9:18:02 AM

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" somebody explain to me what proof could possible be out there that wouls "prove" in a court of law that this guy was racially profiling, short of him calling LH "son" or "boy" on the video there just isn't much. He pulled him for going 16 miles over the speedlimit, which is adequate for a stop, hell that number could technically get your license taken away for 6months to a year."

You are confused. Racial profiling didn't cause him to be stopped -- it caused the situation to escalate to Larry Harris getting pulled out of the car, tackled, and maced. I've been pulled for worse and the sequence of events that happened to LH wasn't even remotely possible.

4/6/2007 9:30:01 AM

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"You are confused. Racial profiling didn't cause him to be stopped -- it caused the situation to escalate to Larry Harris getting pulled out of the car, tackled, and maced. I've been pulled for worse and the sequence of events that happened to LH wasn't even remotely possible."

Actually....you are confused. "racial profiling" would be stopping him because he is black, in an SUV, and looks suspicious. Any physical altercation, or mis-treatment after the stop would just be racist.


"Racial profiling is the inclusion of race as a primary determinant in the characterization of a person considered likely to commit a particular type of crime"

By the way....where are you getting your "facts" that you use to make your assertions? I am sure there are two sides to the story, and you are most likely reading the packpride version. I am not saying either side is guilty until I read an actual report of the stop (more detailed then wral had it) and here both sides of the story from each party. How do you know that Harris did not act in a threatening manner, etc. If he refused to give a license and registration during a traffic stop, I am sure that could be enough to cause the cop to ask him to get out of the car and search him. All I am saying is wait a bit before you use limited facts, and your own personal history with cops to make an assumption.

[Edited on April 6, 2007 at 9:51 AM. Reason : .]

4/6/2007 9:47:55 AM

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"somebody explain to me what proof could possible be out there that wouls "prove" in a court of law that this guy was racially profiling, short of him calling LH "son" or "boy" on the video there just isn't much. He pulled him for going 16 miles over the speedlimit, which is adequate for a stop, hell that number could technically get your license taken away for 6months to a year. You all are talking about this like he was pulled for doing 55 in a 54. "

on that part of morgan street, Larry Harris would have been driving slower than traffic.

4/6/2007 10:43:15 AM

^but he was still 16 over the limit, which is perfectly adequate for a stop. It would be hard to prove that he pulled LH over based on race/car/time of day etc. when he was breaking the law.

4/6/2007 10:49:14 AM

It's a moot point because Harris is not accusing the cop of racial profiling.

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"The complaint accuses officer R. W. King of assault, excessive force, conduct unbecoming of an officer and poor judgment in connection with the arrest of Saint Lawrence "Larry" Harris."

4/6/2007 10:53:06 AM

I imagine the relevance of racial profiling will be if historical statistics indicate a pattern. That could be relevant information to this case of misconduct.

4/6/2007 10:53:12 AM

if he refused to show his reg and lis, its on him......if he respectfully refused a search, the cop's got some 'splanin' to do. unfortunately, nobody is saying now, but we do know the two parties' stories are vastly different, so someone's clearly in the wrong.

4/6/2007 10:57:09 AM

I had a cop pull me over in my expedition (while in a black neighborhood) for "slowing down in front of the wrong house"


that was a direct quote from the officer when I asked him why he pulled me over in the first place


I guarantee that he thought I was black and didn't know what to do when I rolled down the window and there was a white guy asking just why he got pulled over

4/6/2007 11:22:13 AM

Anyone watch the story on WRAL? His attorney looks like Lee Fowler!

4/6/2007 11:23:06 AM

By the way, the plebeians over on Inside Carolina are eating this up.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=78#S=78&F=1410&T=359639


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[Edited on April 6, 2007 at 12:40 PM. Reason : i]

4/6/2007 12:36:40 PM

4/6/2007 12:45:36 PM

^^

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"Maybe it's only for minors, but I thought going 15 over was automatic license suspension or something."

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"15 over the speed limit in virginia is reckless driving........just sayin'"

What idiots

4/6/2007 12:51:49 PM

WOOOOOO YEA RED WINGS!!

4/6/2007 12:52:22 PM

i like how they keep bringing up lowe's son like it means shit about how our program is run.

4/6/2007 12:55:30 PM

this one is great.

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"That thread is who they are. Not just the message board posters, not just the slack jawed yokel you see at the waffle house with his tobacco stained '83 nat'l championship t-shirt on"

courtesy of Wal-Mart nation............



[Edited on April 6, 2007 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

4/6/2007 1:08:10 PM

every time i venture over to IC i'm reminded of just how much i really hate the walmarteers

4/6/2007 2:49:21 PM

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"He is a native of Cleveland who spent two seasons in the N-B-A."

god you suck, W-R-A-L.

and yeah ^, IC is the definition of pompous.

4/6/2007 3:07:21 PM

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"Unless this offseason's luck improves, Gavin's going to not get deported."

4/6/2007 3:12:04 PM

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"dkelly Recruit 36 posts this site Posted on 4/5/2007 10:10 AM Re: Bad News (again) for NC State who in the hell names someone Saint Lawerence Harris? weird. HickoryHeel01 All-American 5018 posts this site Send Private Message Posted on 4/5/2007 10:24 AM Re: Bad News (again) for NC State Well, it sounded better than Inmate Lawrence Harris."

Because all black men are criminals, huh?

I hate those fuckers on IC.

4/6/2007 6:13:12 PM

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"Actually....you are confused. "racial profiling" would be stopping him because he is black, in an SUV, and looks suspicious. Any physical altercation, or mis-treatment after the stop would just be racist. "Racial profiling is the inclusion of race as a primary determinant in the characterization of a person considered likely to commit a particular type of crime""

Regardless of whatever two-bit definition you pulled off of google, profiling is behavior that covers the entire encounter, no just the pre-stop judgement. For example, the cop could walk up to the window, see that the drive is black, and automatically decide to search. That's profiling.

I don't know why you think what you posted actually differentiates profiling and racism or why such a difference matters. They are tautologically the same.

4/6/2007 6:27:59 PM

Just to stop you two before you meet in the K-Mart parking lot to fight, Black's Law Dictionary (a source often cited in Case Law) defines racial profiling as...

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"The law-enforcement practice of using race, national origin, or ethnicity as a salient basis for suspicion of criminal activity. • Originally, the term referred to the practice of stopping a disproportionate number of male African-American drivers on the assumption that they had a heightened likelihood of being involved in criminal activity. After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the term was frequently used in reference to searching and interrogating Middle Eastern men at airports. -- Also termed ethnic profiling; profiling. "

Now you two can decide if this just means the state of mind the police officers have during the initiaion of contact with a suspect or if it refers to the state of mind of a police officer through out an encounter.

I would argue that it is referring to the state of mind that a law enforcement official has prior to the intiation of contact and it is the basis for that initiation.

But anyway, Larry Harris' arrest is making the basketball program look bad regardless of his guilt. The media has already done its damage. Him being exonerated, if it happens, isn't exciting news to report.

4/6/2007 8:12:22 PM

Has anyone read any news recently about this? It seems like all mention of this has ceased since the story first printed.

4/8/2007 8:19:58 PM

It's Easter, dipshit.

Don't expect any press conferences today.

4/8/2007 8:22:47 PM

my guess is it is getting pushed under the rug as harris is going to win his lawsuit. Good luck seeing it in the news though.


and for the record that is all speculation. B/c why would this negative press be reveresed to show some positive spin for NCSU.....??


hmmmmmmmmmm

4/8/2007 8:24:20 PM

^^way to be an ass for no reason. the guy was asking if there had been any news AT ALL since the day or so after the incident.

4/8/2007 8:32:12 PM

what's been the latest on this? didn't coach harris file a complaint about the cop, how'd that go?

5/2/2007 3:44:57 PM

i saw him driving his auto yesterday

but that really has nothing to do with your question

5/2/2007 3:57:28 PM

well, i appreciate your contribution nonetheless. keep up the good work

5/2/2007 4:38:38 PM

I wanna know what TOB drives, we all knew Amato and his vette

but what does TOB drive?

5/2/2007 4:41:53 PM

Popemobile.

5/2/2007 4:46:51 PM

300c

[Edited on May 2, 2007 at 4:51 PM. Reason : that really is what he drives, no joke answer from me.]

5/2/2007 4:51:03 PM

anybody?

5/2/2007 10:08:02 PM

as far as i know, no one knows anything that they're willing to report.

5/2/2007 10:11:55 PM

go to CF anytime...he pratically lives there and you will see the red charger....

5/3/2007 12:32:15 AM

The cop who arrested harris has a history of being not so honest.

http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/574271.html

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" RALEIGH - The police officer who arrested and pepper-sprayed an N.C. State University assistant basketball coach was the target of an internal investigation last year after a District Court judge accused the officer of lying on the stand. Raleigh police conducted an investigation but did not find that Officer Robert W. King committed perjury during a May 3, 2006, court trial, according to correspondence sent to and from Wake District Court Judge Jennifer Knox. But she felt that the Police Department didn't perform a thorough investigation and had "skewed findings," she wrote. "Officer King does not have a reputation for truthfulness," Knox wrote in a Dec. 20, 2006, letter to Dawn Bryant, the attorney for the Raleigh Police Department. ... "

5/16/2007 10:12:29 AM

as reported yesterday.....

5/16/2007 11:05:48 AM

damn, just saw it

self pwnt

[Edited on May 16, 2007 at 11:17 AM. Reason : dd]

5/16/2007 11:17:23 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/ncsu/story/588839.html

Cop not to be charged for pepper-spraying Harris. Riot on Hillsboro?

6/2/2007 3:31:38 PM

what the fuck is a hillsboro

its HILLSBOROUGH STREET that you are referring to, fucktard

6/2/2007 4:20:13 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsboro%2C_Virginia

OMG riots going down on Hillsboro?

6/2/2007 7:52:00 PM

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"Willoughby said his staff made the decision by looking at the internal investigation and a patrol car videotape thought to have captured images of the encounter. Willoughby declined to describe the circumstances of the traffic stop further, saying it would be unfair to Harris."

"thought to" ??

6/2/2007 7:58:00 PM

^^^what the fuck is its?

It is IT'S that you are referring to, fucktard.

6/3/2007 1:04:44 AM