FUCK FUCK FUCK

I was doing okay today until I got hit with the realization that if we hadn't won a few less games down the stretch that would have been us picking #1 or #2 next month.

I dont know why this is just hitting me.


God I hate this franchise sometimes

5/23/2007 4:58:03 PM

Boston and Memphis actually did sit stars in an effort to tank the end of the season

And they werent rewarded

If we had tanked we'd probably have the 5th or 6th pick

btw it hit me last night once they called out the 8th pick

[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 5:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2007 5:02:59 PM

hey the bobcats aren't too far away from contending for a playoff spot and if they can fill a need and improve on their current roster with the help of a new coach this team could be a #7 or a #8 next year in the East. They were only seven games out of it this year and they showed they can beat some of the better teams in the league.

I am not a huge bobcats fan but I do see a good upside for them

5/23/2007 5:13:43 PM

yeah, for what its worth, we had the best record ever for a 3rd year expansion team

however IIRC, the magic made the nba finals their 4th season?

also its looking like Sam Vincent is gonna be the new coach

http://www.charlotte.com/209/story/132793.html

I like it though...he's young enough and freshly enough out of the league to know players, know how players are nowadays, and still know some of the coaches/refs...but he's smart enough and old enough to get their respect...also even though Dallas didnt have anything for Golden State, I love getting a Mavs assistant

5/23/2007 5:16:36 PM

magic made it in 6th season

5/23/2007 5:19:30 PM

ummm...ok. Sam Vincent. He coached the Nigerian national team. WOW

5/23/2007 5:20:45 PM

you probably shitted on sidney lowe before he came to state too

"he's just an nba assistant coach"

i think its a good fit for the Bobcats, especially since Sam Mitchell re-signed with Toronto

5/23/2007 5:22:09 PM

RDU, I agree on Rashard Lewis. He wont' be worth the money he's going to make. I like Wallace, but if we're going to keep Wallace we need a sweet shooting 2 with decent size. I really think we should go after an athletic player on the wing. As good as all of these bigs are coming out, I don't think any of them are an upgrade over what we had. (the bigs at the #8 range)

5/23/2007 5:52:00 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2880644

more news of Sam Vincent becoming the next head coach.

5/23/2007 6:09:42 PM

Quote :

"CHAD FORD'S MOCK DRAFT PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS Portland Greg Oden Position: C Height: 7-0 Weight: 245 Age: 19 School: Ohio State The skinny: Jackpot! The Blazers are a good fit for Oden. With Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy, the Blazers have an extraordinary young core and will be a playoff contender next year. Durant might be a better fit, and GM Kevin Pritchard told me he's keeping his options open, but at this point I think Oden is just too good to pass up here. PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS Seattle Kevin Durant Position: SF Height: 6-10 Weight: 190 Age: 18 School: Texas The skinny: Durant should give the Sonics the ability to let Rashard Lewis walk when he hits free agency this summer. But will Durant's presence save basketball in Seattle? He should draw the fans, but given all of the Sonics' weaknesses (defense, post play), will his presence translate into wins right away? PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS Atlanta Mike Conley Position: PG Height: 6-0 Weight: 170 Age: 19 School: Ohio State The skinny: The team might be devastated that they didn't get Greg Oden, but they score his teammate for the last six years, Conley. After passing on Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo in the last two drafts, it's time to take a point guard, right? PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS Memphis Al Horford Position: PF Height: 6-9 Weight: 235 Age: 20 School: Florida The skinny: With the Grizzlies falling out of the lottery, their chances of landing a superstar have faded. But they could still really use some toughness and defensive rebounding in the paint. Horford is a safe pick and one of the most NBA ready. PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS Boston Yi Jianlian Position: PF Height: 7-0 Weight: 246 Age: 19 Country: China The skinny: This is the worst-case scenario for the Celtics. With no chance to get either Oden or Durant in the fold, the Celtics seem further away from a title than ever. Yi is a good fit in Boston, given his size and ability to score. But is he enough to save Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers? PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS Milwaukee Julian Wright Position: SF Height: 6-9 Weight: 220 Age: 20 School: Kansas The skinny: Wright's versatility, defense and ability to play a point forward type role will be appealing to the Bucks. They already have three good scorers in Michael Redd, Charlie Villanueva and Andrew Bogut ... so Wright should be a great fit. PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS Minnesota Brandan Wright Position: PF Height: 6-10 Weight: 210 Age: 19 School: North Carolina The skinny: The Timberwolves' biggest need is in the frontcourt. They have to get more size and athleticism, and Wright would be a steal if he falls this far. Many GMs have him ranked as the third-best prospect in the draft. He doesn't play with the intensity of Kevin Garnett, but he has a lot of similar tools. They also could opt for point guard Mike Conley here. But if they take him, they'll have to clean up a pretty huge logjam in their backcourt. PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS Charlotte Corey Brewer Position: SG Height: 6-8 Weight: 185 Age: 21 School: Florida The skinny: If the Bobcats weren't going to win one of the two top spots in the lottery, then this is a dream come true for them. They've needed a 2 who can play defense, get to the basket and shoot from the perimeter. Brewer can do all three."

I like that

5/23/2007 6:47:46 PM

hell yeah that'd be awesome

5/23/2007 6:50:35 PM

brewer wont be available at 8 sorry guys

5/23/2007 7:23:52 PM

Ya. I don't see Brandon Wright going 7th & Corey Brewer 8th?

I think we'll have to settle for Julian Wright instead

5/23/2007 7:41:00 PM

yeah, there is no way Brewer is around at 8

id love it, but its not happening

I would be OK with Julian Wright

5/23/2007 11:00:03 PM

I'd say it's possible he's there at 8. Not likely ... but I can easily see the above happening. Throw in Jeff Green and Noah, and you never know.

For what it's worth, http://nbadraft.net/also has us taking Brewer.

5/24/2007 1:37:08 AM

You guys missed my point.

With just a couple less victories we would have flipflopped with either Portland or Seattle (two teams we trailed all season until the end)



And we'd be picking first or second next month.


We fucked up big time.

5/24/2007 3:21:25 AM

We all realize that losing 3 more games would have given us a much better chance but it doesn't mean all of Portland's or Seattle's balls would become ours and vice versa

It just means we would have gotten more balls and they would have gotten less

The 4 number combination that was drawn still could have been one of the combinations that those 2 teams had

We would have had a better chance, but by no means would we have the winning combination for sure

5/24/2007 4:53:02 AM

what are the odds we trade up a few spots to land brewer

5/24/2007 9:16:01 AM

hmm, not real good

Id love to get rid of BK in some sort of trade and pick up another guard such as Javaris Crittenton who is a big guard at 6-5

maybe see on draft night if Brewer doesnt go before say 6th, then id look to move up possibly but we'd probably have to get rid of the 22nd pick

I think Wright, JianLian, and Horford will still go before Brewer. Then Conley, Wright, and Noah are a toss up with Brewer based on team need

5/24/2007 9:31:48 AM

so your tellin me theres a chance...

5/24/2007 10:09:35 AM

you will have to talk to MJ about that

5/24/2007 10:11:09 AM

Quote :

"but it doesn't mean all of Portland's or Seattle's balls would become ours and vice versa"

It does mean that actually.

5/24/2007 10:27:10 AM

IF ONLY ORLANDO HAD PICKED OKAFOR WE'D HAVE HOWARD

LETS DWELL ON THAT TOO SINCE WE CAN CHANGE THE PAST

5/24/2007 10:28:27 AM

^^how do you know that's right?



[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 10:31 AM. Reason : x]

5/24/2007 10:28:28 AM

I mean had we lost a few more games we'd have Portlands lotto balls and theyd have ours.


It was just dumb to catch fire the last month of the season while everyone else was tanking.

This "build through the draft" strategy is not gonna work if we keep drafting shitty/average players.

At least Oden/Durant wound up in the Western conference so a team didn't leapfrog us for a playoff spot.

We need to make the playoffs this year somehow

5/24/2007 10:59:20 AM

Quote :

"Jordan (Carrboro, NC): Any chance of Brandan Wright moving up on your mock draft? SportsNation Chad Ford: I think his talent is in the 3 to 7 range, but I don't think Atlanta or Memphis are good fits. Boston would be decent. Milwaukee would be OK. Minnesota or Charlotte are the best fits. ........................... Andy (Charlotte): Chad, give me something to look forward to for the Bobcats. They going to get Corey Brewer and sign Rashard Lewis? SportsNation Chad Ford: That's a dream scenario for them as long as they also re-sign Gerald Wallace. Then if they can add one more vet on their front line to rebound a little (maybe someone like PJ Brown) I think you see the Bobcats in the playoffs next season as long as Okafor can stay healthy. I'm just not totally sure Brewer will still be there at No. 8. Lots of GMs are very high on him. "

5/24/2007 3:08:54 PM

face it guys, this team will not be good for a long time

5/24/2007 3:33:54 PM

by very long time you mean next season when we'll be battling for the 8th spot?

5/24/2007 3:36:57 PM

^^retarded post. Bobcats will very likely make the playoffs next year. I call that good for a 4th year franchise.

5/24/2007 3:43:32 PM

Bobcats have a new coach... Sam Vincent, the next Avery Johnson (hopefully he learned something from him while sitting on the bench)
http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/133277.html

He'd better be outta there though if we don't make it to the playoffs this year...

5/24/2007 3:55:48 PM

^so you're saying if we dont make the playoffs in the brand new head coach's very first year that we should fire him?

5/24/2007 3:57:00 PM

Quote :

"I mean had we lost a few more games we'd have Portlands lotto balls and theyd have ours."

You have no way of knowing thats how it works

Its just as likely that we would have just gotten some of the ping pong balls they ended up with in addition to our

The balls are drawn randomly--no way we get the exact same ones they did

I'm still pissed we won so much at the end of the year, but a few more losses wouldn't have gaurunteed us a top two pick

5/24/2007 4:17:11 PM

Quote :

"Minnesota or Charlotte are the best fits. "

How are we a good fit? We have 30 power forwards already

If we pick Wright, Im fucking done with Bobs dumbass

5/24/2007 4:20:17 PM

A realistic look at the playoff picture as of right now ( i realize rosters could change drastically)

Going to be better than us:

Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, Chicago

Likely to be better than us:

Toronto, Miami


That would leave two spots between Charlote, New Jersey, Orlando, Indiana, Milwaukee, Philly, New York, Boston, and Atlanta


If Vince leaves NJ they become notably weaker and may even move Kidd to start over.

Orlando has some cap space and could potentially land Vince Carter.

Indiana crippled themselves through two bad trades (artest and jackson/harrington) so im not too worried about them

Milwaukee could be much improved with a healthy Villanueva and possibly Simmons. A lot depends on if Mo Williams re-signs or they replace him with a capable PG.

Philly doesn't scare me they just dont have the weapons.

New York improved this year but i dont see them really getting any better this offseason. They are stuck with Marbury/Francis for another couple of seasons

Boston would need a healthy Szcerbiak and some of their young players to really improve to be better than us

Atlanta would have a CHANCE to be better than us if they got good PG play.


Basically I dont think we're any better than 50/50 to make the postseason as of right now so I definitely wouldn't fire a new head coach unless we totally bomb next year (less than 33-34 wins)

5/24/2007 4:21:45 PM

so in your eyes an expansion team that "makes the playoffs" after four years is successful?

I guess you could be right about how the franchise is progressing but, I still say we will suck.

"The Charlotte Bobcats posted the all-time best third year expansion team record in recent NBA expansion history after posting 33 wins during the 2006-07 season. In the last 20-plus years, no other NBA expansion team has recorded a better record and no team has won more than 26 games in their third season until the Bobcats surpassed that mark on March 28 against Atlanta. The Bobcats 33 wins, 20 home victories and 13 road wins this season are a franchise best. Charlotte’s previous highs were 26 wins overall, 17 home wins and nine road victories, all recorded during the 2005-06 season."

5/24/2007 4:30:54 PM

Quote :

"but a few more losses wouldn't have gaurunteed us a top two pick"

Unless theyve changed the format in recent years i really dont understand what you are getting at.

We would have switched spots with Portland or Seattle, therefore we would have had their "balls" and would have been in position to make the #1 or #2 pick.

You are making this way too complicated.

5/24/2007 7:25:35 PM

its still a random lottery

granted the more losses you have, the more ping pong balls

still doesnt guarantee a top 3 pick...ask boston and memphis if tanking at the end of a season guarantees a top 3 pick

but regardless, we got the 8th pick...the lottery is over and portland won

5/24/2007 7:28:18 PM

if we had portlands pick we'd be picking #1.

That seems really obvious, i dont know how you can argue it.

Its a random fucking lotto.... it doesnt care what team is on the ball, its gonna be the same regardless of which team is in which spot....

5/24/2007 7:36:37 PM

rally's point is this


for the top 3 picks, 4 numbers are taken
each team is assigned several 4-digit numbers
the 4 numbers that were drawn for pick #1 happened to fall within the assigned numbers that were in Portland's list.
If the bobcats had the record that portland had, they would have been given the same set of numbers that portland was given.
I assume the assigned numbers are NOT random, because obviously the teams all have different odds of winning.

i think everyone agrees that if the lottery were performed again, different results would obviously occur

the only thing random about the lottery is what balls pop out of the windblower/mixer thing

its just that the finishing records of the teams are what determine how many number combinations are given to a team for their list of 4-digit numbers

5/24/2007 7:45:57 PM

The lottery combinations are assigned at random when its determined how many combinations each team gets

They don't get actual ping pong balls with thier names on them

They get 4-figure combinations that are drawn from the 14 balls in the lotto machine

If we had more losses than Portland, we would have had more combinations than them, not the exact same combinations they had

When the league randomly assigned the combinations, Charlotte would have gotten more than Portland but not the same ones Portland got---its not predetermined which combinations go to what teams


If we had the same combinations as Portland had, then no shit we'd have the top pick

Its all selected randomly---if we switched records with the Blazers, it would have been completely random which combinations were assigned to us just as it was now

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 7:52 PM. Reason : x]

5/24/2007 7:49:41 PM

Quote :

"I assume the assigned numbers are NOT random"

but you see they are random

and i think my point holds more weight...the lottery is done...we have the 8th pick...lets look forward to the draft

5/24/2007 7:55:12 PM

in other words, had we been in Portland's spot... we would have gotten the #1 pick.

Im not saying if they did the lottery over again. Im saying had we been in Portlands spot (i.e. lost more games than them) we would have gotten the #1 spot.

They didnt win because they were Portland, they won because they were assigned those combinations. Had Charlotte been assigned those combinations, we would have won too.

5/24/2007 9:29:42 PM

and if emeka hadnt gotten injured this year we might've played the pistons in the first round

i'd like to see us get brewer at #8

wonder what players are projected to go around #22?

5/24/2007 9:31:35 PM

id love brewer but i dont think he'll last that long.

At #22 maybe we can grab a backup PG and let brevin go to save some $$$ or even use him in a trade...

not a huge fan of taking big men late in the first round

5/24/2007 9:39:43 PM

I say we pick up Acie Law at 22. Good backup PG that can make things happen with the clock winding down. Plus his name is Acie Law ... and that's just badass.

5/25/2007 12:49:21 AM

^If Acie Law drops to 22....then something is wrong with the NBA

Law can ball. He was my favorite non-NCSU player in college ball this year.

5/25/2007 12:56:36 AM

No chance Acie Law is still around at 22.

I would like us to get Nick Young at 8 and Sean Williams at 22. I know Williams doesn't fit our model of "character guys" but he's a legit big man and I think he's just as good as any of the big men that we could get at the 8 spot.

Young may be the piece we're missing. We need a 2. We need a shooter, scorer and athlete on the wing.

[Edited on May 25, 2007 at 1:45 AM. Reason : ,]

5/25/2007 1:42:35 AM

Once again, from NBAdraft.net, so take it for what it's worth ...

20. Miami Acie Law 6-3 195 PG Texas A&M Sr



20 sure isn't far from 22.

5/25/2007 1:56:25 AM

if we are going to draft Nick fucking Young we'd better trade down a few spots to do it

that said, lets pray the Celtics bite on the Chinaman (its not the proper nomenclature) and not on Brewer. If we make it out of this draft with Brewer i think we will have done a good days work

I am also thinking Brandan Wright may fall a bit when Conley is picked, thats if someone thinks Jianlian can play. So both Wrights may be an option

5/25/2007 7:55:16 AM

I swear to god if Brandan Wright somehow falls to the bobcats and they pick him i'm done with them.

Fuck Carolina

5/25/2007 10:39:05 AM