well you are not going to like Iraq when we leave.....if you think things are bad now wait until that government falls and you have what looks like a Quentin Tarantinofilm film.

5/24/2007 4:48:41 PM

What does that have to do with my question? If anything, it sounds as if you are taking the standpoint that our presence there, and therefore the inevitable loss of life, is justified.

5/24/2007 4:50:44 PM

Heres an interview with a Arab kid from Jersey City, NJ who agrees with the suicide bombing thing. I think its a bit alarming, but also lets you into the philosophy of their people.. i.e. we are Muslims first and Americans second.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

5/24/2007 5:17:29 PM

ever seen jesus camp?

5/24/2007 5:33:31 PM

no i havent but i fail to see how an anecdote about another religion's extremists has any relevance

does this jesus camp you speak of teach people how to wire c4 explosives?

5/24/2007 5:43:11 PM

it actually speaks directly to that, with some of the leaders of the camp saying that american christians need to have the dedication (or some such word) to the cause that the middle eastern muslims do.

point being: most christians aren't like this, but neither are most muslims. posting a video of one kid doesn't really show much. just like jesus camp doesn't really represent most of mainstream christianity.

5/24/2007 5:49:19 PM

but you playing devils advocate just to attempt to not offend one religion more than another doesnt change the fact that violent radical MUSLIMS are responsible for most of the terrorism nowadays

you can feel free to talk about the crusades and try to be politically correct and not offend muslims...or you can realize that there is predominantly one religion nowadays whose small radical sect is responsible for most of the terrorism nowadays

and even though i'm an agnostic, last time i checked there werent any christian preachers and priests urging their churchgoers to declare war on non-christians and use violence to get their point across

5/24/2007 5:52:25 PM

but i wager that this has less to do with the nature of each given religion and more to do with the socioeconomic positions most of the followers of the two given religions are in. as someone else suggested earlier, if america were invaded and you thought suicide bombing would make the invaders leave more quickly, would you be so quick to denounce the act?

are there any areas where suicide bombings are a common occurence where muslims aren't being oppressed or invaded in some way?

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 5:56 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2007 5:55:50 PM

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"are there any areas where suicide bombings are a common occurence where muslims aren't being oppressed or invaded in some way?"

Tamil Tigers were the first group to use suicide bombing, and they aren't muslims. PKK also engages in suicide bombing and they are a predominantly christian organization

fact of the matter is, suicide bombing is a recent phenomena that developed in the ghettos of minority and oppressed groups.

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 6:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2007 5:59:28 PM

i guess i should have clarified 'muslim suicide bombers'

5/24/2007 6:00:21 PM

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"and even though i'm an agnostic, last time i checked there werent any christian preachers and priests urging their churchgoers to declare war on non-christians and use violence to get their point across"

I would bet there are a large amount of churches that teach the war in the middle east is justified on the basis that it will allow us to convert some of them to Christianity.

5/24/2007 6:18:57 PM

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"Heres an interview with a Arab kid from Jersey City, NJ who agrees with the suicide bombing thing. I think its a bit alarming, but also lets you into the philosophy of their people.. i.e. we are Muslims first and Americans second. http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0"

And for those of you who didn't click the link, Scuba Steve just made up that scenario. The link is to some goofy guy dancing.

5/24/2007 6:21:57 PM

here is the actual video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7sK3AqFYAWQ

5/24/2007 6:59:06 PM

Rickrolling is not ever justified....PERIOD. So pull your fucking head out of your asses

5/25/2007 8:07:23 AM

haha you got rickrolled...dumbass

5/25/2007 12:21:44 PM

haha

what a moron

5/25/2007 12:34:54 PM

Reactions to the poll:

Quote :

"Muslim scholars had another reaction to the Pew report: What did you expect? “Given what’s happened in Iraq and Palestine, I would be shocked if there wasn’t discontent,” said Omid Safi, professor of Islamic studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill"

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"To express my teen and 20s desire to be different, to rebel, I explored my religion,” Hasan said. “Christian children ride motorcycles. A percentage of Muslim youth say suicide bombings are justified. Chalk it up to youthful rebellion and telephone survey bravado.”"

Go figure, Christian youths ride motorcyles, Muslim ones blow themselves up.......same difference, right?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19097274/

[Edited on June 8, 2007 at 10:32 AM. Reason : link]

6/8/2007 10:31:25 AM

^ In fairness, he didn't actually compare the riding of motorcycles to blowing themselves up... He compared it to "saying suicide bombings are justified on a telephone survery"

The information in the poll is worth exactly what you paid for it.

6/8/2007 10:45:35 AM

still funny he picked that analogy imo.....and the majority of suicide bombers are younger muslims.

Quote :

"The information in the poll is worth exactly what you paid for it."

the reactions of older muslim figures to the poll is the surprising part.

6/8/2007 10:51:59 AM

Wait, the reaction that suicide bombing is could be justified in some circumstance against and undiclosed enemy?

SHOCKING

[Edited on June 8, 2007 at 11:49 AM. Reason : .]

6/8/2007 11:46:59 AM

Quote :

"Wait, the reaction that suicide bombing is could be justified in some circumstance against and undiclosed enemy? SHOCKING"

nope, the reaction of muslim public figures that we should expect american muslims to think this way:

Quote :

"Muslim scholars had another reaction to the Pew report: What did you expect?"

6/8/2007 11:54:14 AM

whats even scarier is when one of your own friends tells you they would do something like this if they lived where they were born

what a sad world

6/10/2007 9:52:56 AM

why does your friend live in america then?

6/11/2007 5:31:38 PM