Look, I haven't had any problem with either major. Of course I can do whatever the fuck I want. I'm sorry I don't fit into your little stereotype, but it's people like me exist to prove you elitist motherfuckers wrong.

[Edited on June 20, 2007 at 10:46 PM. Reason : Grow up, you're not better than anyone else.]

6/20/2007 10:46:04 PM

So let me ask you. Do you honestly think English is just as hard as Chemical Engineering?

6/20/2007 10:58:36 PM

Different people have different strengths and interests. Isn't "hard" just a matter of perception anyway?

[Edited on June 20, 2007 at 11:04 PM. Reason : I mean I'm more likely to do better in stuff that I have an interest in- ya know?]

6/20/2007 11:00:41 PM

6/20/2007 11:02:27 PM

Hard is still a real concept even if it varies slightly for different people. I think I can say with confidence that college is harder than middle school.

6/20/2007 11:09:15 PM

I am not saying I am better or smarter then anyone nor am i saying CHASS majors are stupid. The majority though would not be able to make it as a engineer though. Different people are better at different things. Regardless the engineering program at NCSU is more difficult then CHASS.

6/20/2007 11:18:34 PM

For me? No, I think ChemE has been harder.
But there are several reasons for that. Mostly, the workload in ChemE was way more than English, and I had to take a lot more time to do the problem sets and lab writeups. Plus, I've been into literature and books for much longer than I ever liked science. As a subject, I didn't initially know what I was getting into when I started ChemE, but I was always at least a year ahead in math and loved chemistry. It was harder to wrap my brain around what engineering actually is: you're not taught basic engineering when you're younger because it builds on so many other subjects.
But likewise, just because you can read doesn't mean you know how to write well or could analyze literature well. Those are skills that also require finesse. You don't have the same competency of an English major just because you happen to speak English, you just have the added advantage of familiarity with the language since you were a kid.

In any case, sure, engineering has been hard, but it's nowhere near impossible (I've never failed a course because I couldn't wrap my brain around a concept, etc) for me, as HUR seems to think. I can't decide if he's more pissed that I'm an English major successful in engineering or a girl successful in engineering.

I never claimed English was harder for me, I just can't stand these guys claiming that it's a useless major that's only for complete idiots.

[Edited on June 20, 2007 at 11:38 PM. Reason : Engineering is still a lot easier than English for some people, like my annoying lab partner.]

6/20/2007 11:18:43 PM

I never said I had a problem with female engineers or people who want a diverse education with totally different majors. One of my posts said I even like females in my engineering classes. My problem was that you couldn't flat out admit that engineering overall is more difficult then CHASS. Also, even though you can do both a lot of people (I want to say majority) in CHASS would not make it in engineering.

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"Engineering is still a lot easier than English for some people, like my amazingly stupid lab partner"

Agreed, for me I find engineering more interesting and easier then sitting in the library doing research, writing papers, and reading literature. That is why I am an engineer not a sociology major.

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"Mostly, the workload in ChemE was way more than English, and I had to take a lot more time to do the problem sets and lab writeups"

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"It was harder to wrap my brain around what engineering actually is: you're not taught basic engineering when you're younger because it builds on so many other subjects."

You proved my whole argument here, thank you and goodnight [/thread]

[Edited on June 20, 2007 at 11:44 PM. Reason : l]

6/20/2007 11:43:24 PM

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"My problem was that you couldn't flat out admit that engineering overall is more difficult then CHASS."

And I still haven't. I honestly think it really is a personal thing, not "ENGINEERING IS ALWAYS MORE DIFFICULT THAN CHASS." For me, it is harder. But as I said, my lab partner would have a hell of a time trying English. I write papers quickly and read quickly: the workload might be more for English if you didn't, etc. But I really don't think one can be empirically and objectively harder than the other, it's all subjective.

[Edited on June 21, 2007 at 12:11 AM. Reason : .]

6/21/2007 12:02:14 AM

to summarize, she is saying engineering is really harder, but to her, chass is harder

6/21/2007 2:57:22 AM

6/21/2007 1:14:15 PM

drunknloaded proves less is more, nicely done good sir.

6/21/2007 3:12:58 PM

Engineeeeeeeeeers do THIS!..................

CHASS peopllllllllllllllllllllllllllllle do THAT!....................

6/21/2007 6:27:56 PM

we come together...

6/21/2007 10:26:27 PM

^^^ yet false

6/22/2007 12:31:06 AM

you are all looking at this wrong.....one occurance (yes, one being you) is just part of the overall population. In general and for the average student, I say engineering is more difficult. I really dont care about your individual thoughts because you are bias in one way or another (as am I), and you dont represent the entire population. I dont have time to do this at work right now, but find some data on both colleges, interpret it, and draw a conclusion. Otherwise stop posting!

6/22/2007 3:22:45 PM

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"you are bias in one way or another (as am I),"

well said

so I don't care about your opinion, either

Also, there's no data you can pull up about how many of the same students do in both Engineering and CHASS because most don't do both. So I don't know what you intend to compare: dropout rates aren't exactly the best data set, either.

[Edited on June 22, 2007 at 5:04 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2007 5:01:14 PM

^ give it up almost everyone agrees that engineering is tougher then CHASS. A lot of my buddies would probably laugh and agree since they had too much trouble in engineering and switched to Poly Sci, communications, etc

I guess since you are a so fucking brilliant being the Ben Franklin Scholar you must have enough expertise in college curriculum to make a scholarly assertion on the difficulty of getting various degrees. Completely disregarding the majority opinion in this thread

6/22/2007 10:21:10 PM

people who are good (or simply prefer) science and math tend to be in the COE and those who are good at history and english tend to be in CHASS, but the simple fact is that most people can readily comprehend most of the material in any undergraduate CHASS course--this is not true in the COE or PAMS

...doing the coursework, however, is a different matter

[Edited on June 22, 2007 at 11:39 PM. Reason : i'm not sure there could be a greater hell than writing an english dissertation]

6/22/2007 11:23:38 PM

STILL FURSHIA...IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE WOLFWEBBERS HAVE BEEN PM'ING ME ABOUT TONIGHT JUST SEND ME A PM...ITS PRETTY INTERESTING...ITS FROM A CHICK TOO...I KNOW HOW YOU BROADS ALWAYS COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER...I'M NOT BULLSHITTING...JUST PM ME

6/23/2007 2:18:17 AM

lmfao...

6/23/2007 2:19:05 AM

^^ ?

6/23/2007 1:11:14 PM

^^^ what the fuck man

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"I guess since you are a so fucking brilliant being the Ben Franklin Scholar you must have enough expertise in college curriculum to make a scholarly assertion on the difficulty of getting various degrees."

Hey, I'm just saying that until you've succeeded in doing both, I don't think you should claim one is far harder than the other. You're just taking the "my major is better!" stance, like everyone else.

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"but the simple fact is that most people can readily comprehend most of the material in any undergraduate CHASS course--this is not true in the COE or PAMS ...doing the coursework, however, is a different matter"

I'm not so sure about that: some of those philosophy classes would throw anyone for a loop. And basic PAMS science really isn't that hard at all: it's even required for the B.S. degrees in CHASS.
And yeah, the coursework is definitely part of what we're discussing. If someone hates reading and writing papers, I can't imagine he'd be able to fully comprehend and flesh out the necessary subject matter. People have different strengths and weaknesses, and I think it's absolutely ridiculous to say that engineering students by nature are completely competent in all CHASS subject matter.

6/23/2007 5:26:30 PM

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", I don't think you should claim one is far harder than the other. You're just taking the "my major is better!" stance, like everyone else."

Maybe as a english major you should work on reading comprehension.

HUR:

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"almost everyone agrees that engineering is tougher then CHASS. A lot of my buddies would probably laugh and agree since they had too much trouble in engineering and switched to Poly Sci, communications, etc"

I have yet to meet anyone that was having too much trouble majoring in History and switched to Mechanical Engineering. I do not base my opinion on the fact that I am COE. I base my opinion on what i have heard and seen from other people's expierences.

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"basic PAMS science "

We are not talking about taking the intro classes. I would say not even half of the engineering to CHASS/COM converts dropped after taking the intro classes. The majority switched out or changed to IE after getting into the more vigorous 300 or upper 200 level classes.

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 6:41 PM. Reason : l]

6/23/2007 6:37:32 PM

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"I have yet to meet anyone that was having too much trouble majoring in History and switched to Mechanical Engineering. I do not base my opinion on the fact that I am COE. I base my opinion on what i have heard and seen from other people's expierences."

You're still thinking that I'm somehow claiming CHASS is harder. I'm not, but I guarantee it'd be a lot harder for some people than Engineering would be. I say that because I have seen those engineering students severely lacking in basic CHASS skills that can otherwise do all the math/science required in engineering: personal experience here, too.

Oh, and just so you know, people transfer out of engineering for more reasons than "it's too hard," like "my parents pressured me into this, and I hate the subject matter" for example. I think you're being a snob for no reason. A majority of people who think engineering is harder does not in fact mean that it is harder: you need to learn the difference between subjectivity and objectivity. I don't know why you feel so threatened by another opinion.

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 6:53 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2007 6:50:31 PM

I know a lot of people drop after like ECE 200, 220, but these are sophomore level classes.

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"I say that because I have seen those engineering students severely lacking in basic CHASS skills that can otherwise do all the math/science required in engineering: personal experience here, too."

If you are referencing your one stupid lab partner, please, please stop. This guy is a fucking outlier. I really don't know how you can claim you haven't also known a lot more people that have dropped out of COE and switched to CHASS...

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 6:57 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 7:04 PM. Reason : 220 is what i meant... ]

6/23/2007 6:52:47 PM

I think most ChemEs drop after 205.

6/23/2007 6:53:46 PM

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"ECE 200, 212"

those two are the easier of the soph level classes. The problem w/ 200 unless they changed the curriculum is that the cram an intro of a bunch of different topics into a one semester class. I do not think I learned much in 200. I think 211 and especially 220 are the sophmore level weed out classes. The real back breakers though are 301 and 302 imho. If you can make it past those two then it is all down hill through graduation.

I had 302 easy though b.c i took barlage.

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 7:04 PM. Reason : l]

6/23/2007 7:03:47 PM

personally I thought 302 with barlage was a nightmare

I still came out with an A, but I felt utterly confused the whole time

6/23/2007 7:08:23 PM

Quote :

"some of those philosophy classes would throw anyone for a loop. And basic PAMS science really isn't that hard at all: "

6/23/2007 9:03:59 PM

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"If you are referencing your one stupid lab partner, please, please stop. This guy is a fucking outlier. I really don't know how you can claim you haven't also known a lot more people that have dropped out of COE and switched to CHASS..."

No, I've had several group members that couldn't edit their work to save their lives. I'm basing that more on exactly how many engineering students that look at me like I'm crazy when I say I'm also an English major: their response is usually something like, "oh god, I hate English, how can you stand it?!" I never said I didn't know people who transferred into CHASS: but it's NOT always because it was too hard for them, it's because they were thinking they'd get a better salary in the end and decided it wasn't worth it to stick with a subject they hated. Remember that thing, you know, PEOPLE HAVE PERSONAL PREFERENCES FOR DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.

I love how you totally buy in to the stereotype that English majors have it so much easier, yet you can't possibly even fathom how more than one engineer could have serious problems with his/her English skills.

Of course I'm not trying to say all engineering students have these issues. I'd wager more of them don't than do. But to say that none of them do and that "your lab partner is just an outlier" is absurd.

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 10:54 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2007 10:42:25 PM

^ I think specifically i said that my English skills could use some work. This isn't because I am not capable of being 100% but because on a day to day basis I do not need to write a dissertation in order to get a A in the class.

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"personally I thought 302 with barlage was a nightmare I still came out with an A, but I felt utterly confused the whole time"

yeah that is exactly how it was for me last summer

6/23/2007 11:16:06 PM

That's my point: you can get away with a quite a few lax English skills in engineering. I just looked up my lab partner: he graduated Summa Cum Laude this past Spring (which is hilarious: you'd think a summa cum laude graduate might be able to write better). I'm sure most of his GPA was just from straight Engineering classes: I'd be very curious to see how he did in his few English courses.

It's not such a bad thing to want a higher level of attention to such skills in engineering, though, especially when you write things like your Senior Design report (I think ours was about 90 pages or so, though without our data sections and graphs/images I'd guess it would be about half that). Bleh, I'm glad that's over.

6/23/2007 11:36:33 PM

This thread proves english is not the hardest major at ncsu

6/24/2007 5:53:56 AM

nobody mentioned CSC

6/25/2007 12:51:27 AM

CSC is wanna be engineering

6/25/2007 1:57:14 AM

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"Curriculum in Professional Golf Management NC State University is one of a select few universities across the United States to offer a PGA of America Accredited Bachelor of Science degree in Professional Golf Management. Located in the heart of a great golf state, NC State’s PGM program, in partnership with the College of Management and the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, is uniquely qualified to become one of the best in the nation. The golf profession today requires expertise in a variety of areas, including turf grass management, retail operations and merchandising, food and beverage management, personnel management, accounting, risk management, marketing, and customer services in addition to teaching golf. A unique interdisciplinary combination of golf management, business, life sciences, turf grass management, food & beverage management, parks, recreation and tourism management courses, with extensive co-op experiences, will help students become leading professionals in the golf industry."

I have never met a single person with a golf management major. Where are you?

6/25/2007 8:44:04 AM

not to say that this is an indicator or has a direct correlation - but which college do most people transfer out of because they cut it? i'd have to guess it's engr

6/25/2007 2:31:22 PM

yea id like to see the matriculation #s vs graduating (and preferably graduating on time)

6/25/2007 2:42:06 PM

^^^me either. most people would probably rather just do turfgrass

[Edited on June 25, 2007 at 3:24 PM. Reason : errrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

6/25/2007 3:24:05 PM

Quote :

"I have never met a single person with a golf management major. Where are you?"

I have known 3 people in this major.

We better be careful STILLFUCSHA will come on here and agrue that PGM major is just as hard as engineering.

6/25/2007 3:36:00 PM

hahaha, nah, fuck golf managers

6/25/2007 9:16:46 PM

Quote :

"well said so I don't care about your opinion, either Also, there's no data you can pull up about how many of the same students do in both Engineering and CHASS because most don't do both. So I don't know what you intend to compare: dropout rates aren't exactly the best data set, either."

Average work schedule? Hours to graduate? Requirements to graduate? IQ scores? Hell theres alot you could look at

6/26/2007 12:44:12 PM

average work schedule = says nothing about individual work ethics or aptitude for one kind of work over another

hours to graduate = like the above, says nothing about how easy those hours are

IQ scores = completely unrelated to "how hard" something is

6/26/2007 1:24:25 PM

ok its official...engineering is the hardest college at ncsu

anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded

6/26/2007 2:06:42 PM

well due to stillfuschia's amazing argument - i now think engineering isn't the hardest...

6/26/2007 2:38:51 PM

In case any of you are stupid enough to think I was saying English is harder, I wasn't. But people have different strengths and weaknesses and those will make subjects easier or harder.

It's all relative.

6/26/2007 2:45:00 PM

Quote :

" I have never met a single person with a golf management major. Where are you?"

I've met at least one, but I think I've met two.

6/26/2007 2:48:24 PM

Quote :

"average work schedule = says nothing about individual work ethics or aptitude for one kind of work over another hours to graduate = like the above, says nothing about how easy those hours are"

average...meaning the average person of either group.....says everything about course load, demand of major....this takes away the upper and lower of either group......this is basic statistics here......of course you dont have a technical background so this may be hard for you to understand. If you really wanted to dig down into it you could compute an Xbar R chart for each data set and compare.

6/26/2007 2:51:59 PM

Uh, how is being a Chemical Engineering major not coming from a "technical background"?

You're a moron.

I'm aware what "average" means. I'm just telling you, even if you had the average amount of work that each major required, it wouldn't tell you how easily that work could be done by the students in the program.

The work done by both groups is fundamentally different: if one group has 500 problems to do but the other group has 25 papers, how does that help you figure out which one is "harder"? It doesn't. I tend to doubt students measure how many hours of work they do for each class, so the amount of time doing they claim required for doing that work would be equally fuzzy. Even if the time required for doing the work is very different, it may just be that one major requires more easy busy work than the other, rather than the work being more complicated.

[Edited on June 26, 2007 at 3:05 PM. Reason : .]

6/26/2007 3:00:24 PM