^^most likely those. (odorous house ants)

[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM. Reason : ]

7/15/2010 8:52:20 AM

You'll never be able to kill ants. Here is why:


By the time you see one ant cross the floor, eggs have already been laid. If you kill all the ants using poison, the eggs will still hatch.

Eggs laid and that still hatch from a time-release poisoned ant will generally build up a tolerance against the poison.

Nothing on shelves that you buy in the store work. I guarantee this claim because if they were actually successful, pest control services would be rendered obsolete. The system is rigged so that these people can maintain a living. You, as an unlicensed civilian, are not allowed to buy the shit that has the best chance of working.


That said, i have a friend who laid cinnamon around the border of the room and he claims that he hasn't seen an ant again in the room. I haven't tested it, but it's better to have something to try than nothing at all.

[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 10:22 AM. Reason : .]

7/15/2010 10:21:22 AM

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"Nothing on shelves that you buy in the store work. "

This is mostly true. You can't walk into home depot and get the good stuff (Termidor, Premise, Talstar, or their generic equivilants). It can definitely be purchased online though.

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"You, as an unlicensed civilian, are not allowed to buy the shit that has the best chance of working."

This is 100% false, unless you live in NY or some of the New England states. Pretty much the only products that are not available to homeowners are fumigation products (the ones that require tenting a house). Just about everything else can be purchased.

7/15/2010 10:37:52 AM

My claim is very real and in fact most of them are poisonous to the extent that you can't trust the general public with them. You have to be trained and certified in order to use them. Bugs sprays and baits you buy in the store are poisonous but they are safe enough for jim-bob and joe-dirt to use. Professionals can be more trusted to use the correct poison at the right time and also monitor their use so that their environmental impact is minimal.

7/15/2010 11:10:56 AM

Your claim is 100% incorrect. I work for a company that manufacturers pest control products. 99.9% of our sales are to licensed pest control operators, the other 0.1% is to homeowners. The only product we do not make available to homeowners is our fumigant gas. There are some states where certain products are classified as "restricted use" (professionals only) but that is more the exception than the rule. New York is probably the most restrictive state in that anything labeled for termite control can only be purchased by licensed professionals.

As an example, all but two of our products can be sold to homeowners in North Carolina. Those products are our fumigant gas, which is restricted to professionals, and one of our turf products that is not registered for use in North Carolina. (meaning it can't be purchased by professionals or homeowners)

7/15/2010 11:36:02 AM

GeniuSxBoY is just basically wrong. i don't know what else to say. dubcaps has a grasp on the regulations, it's pretty cut and dry.

7/15/2010 11:38:58 AM

I see the flaw in his logic, but you guys already have your mind set. No need to argue anymore, just let me know when the door gets slammed in your face when you attempt to buy professional only products without a license.


[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 11:49 AM. Reason : .]

7/15/2010 11:43:10 AM

What products are you talking about and in which state?

7/15/2010 11:50:05 AM

If you can't buy them it's a device of the manufacturers unwillingness to sell them customer direct. They will only sell to an operator, or distributor even. There are companies out there willing to sell their products to home owners directly, and they have a nice little niche in the market. You just have to find them, and take advantage of the opportunity.

7/15/2010 12:02:21 PM

No need to name names. It's straight out of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act

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"Only a few pesticides are available to the general public, and can be used by anyone who will follow directions. Most pesticides are considered too hazardous for general use, and are restricted to certified applicators. FIFRA established a system of examination and certification both at the private level and at the commercial level for applicators who wish to purchase and use restricted use pesticides. The distribution of restricted pesticides is also monitored. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Insecticide,_Fungicide,_and_Rodenticide_Act "

7/15/2010 12:05:06 PM

7/15/2010 12:09:12 PM

The problem with your logic is that you're being short sited. Pesticides and baiting products are all about he active ingredient that is used. For example, Imidacloprid is currently a very popular active ingredient in a vast number of products and application methods. It's patented by Bayer and is used in pesticides, insecticides, and herbicides of professional grade by companies like Terminix and Orkin.

You know where else you can get Imidacloprid?

7/15/2010 12:13:36 PM

This thread may apply to you:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=598437

7/15/2010 12:16:48 PM

Pot calls the kettle black...

7/15/2010 12:22:00 PM

The most widely used termiticide by pest control operators today is Termidor (active ingredient Fipronil which is also used in frontline for pets)

Termidor can be purchased by homeowners from multiple online websites. (unless you live in NY, MA, or CT)

Furthermore, you can go through BASF (formerly Whitmire Micro-Gen), Bayer, Nissus, FMC, etc's websites and find just about every product in their catalog available to homeowners online.

Almost anyone can go out and buy formulated Bifenthrin, Imidacloprid, Fipronil, Abamectin, Permethrin, etc products (the same that would be used by Orkin, Terminix, Dodson Brothers, etc). What homeowners CANNOT buy, however, are the technical grade active ingredients that are used to formulate finished products (such as termidor, frontline, premise, talstar, advance, demon, etc).

7/15/2010 1:02:51 PM

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

i couldnt find any terro. and i went to target and two walmarts

so now im just giving them a buffet of poisons....
i think theyve gotten worse :-/

but ive only had the traps out for a day so well see

7/15/2010 4:53:22 PM

Lowes and Home Depot

7/16/2010 1:00:28 AM

they've found the mother fucking cat bowls now

making me crazy

PLEASE RAIN

7/16/2010 9:31:35 AM

someone of facebook just suggested this

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"Try putting the bowl of catfood in a shallow bowl of water. Doesn't affect cat or food but ants cant swim "

sounds like a plan to me!

7/16/2010 10:02:54 AM

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"That said, i have a friend who laid cinnamon around the border of the room and he claims that he hasn't seen an ant again in the room. I haven't tested it, but it's better to have something to try than nothing at all."

I've tried this method and it worked... for a while. Eventually they built up a tolerance or got desperate enough to wade through it (even though I kept adding more and more fresh cinnamon).

The best thing I have found for controlling ants is soapy water (dawn, ajax, palmolive, etc). I've read different theories to why soapy water works better than regular water but I don't think anybody really knows how/why it works.

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"Soaps have been used to control insects for more than 200 years... How soaps and detergents kill insects is still poorly understood. In most cases, control results from disruption of the cell membranes of the insect. Soaps and detergents may also remove the protective waxes that cover the insect, causing death through excess loss of water."

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05547.html

So like earlier this year when they first started invading the kitchen, I'd just dump soapy water on them (from the source, down the trail), wait a few seconds for them to stop wiggling, and then wipe them up with a paper towel. At first I had to do this daily as they'd come back within 24 hours, but after a week or so I was only doing it every few days, and after a month or so I didn't need to do it any more. I went over a month without seeing any ants and then came home to maybe 20 or so early last week. I haven't seen any more since then.

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 10:59 AM. Reason : ]

7/16/2010 10:56:20 AM

You can get Terro at Ace Hardware. They also make outdoor baits to put around the perimeter of your house, or applying Sevin Dust around the foundation works pretty well too.

7/16/2010 5:30:43 PM

^thanks. may try that soon.

found some terro at lowes. also got some caulk.
found out two of the main places they were coming in at, so we bleach the fuck out of the counters and then caulked up those holes.

set out some terro as well.



so far so good......we'll see how this goes

7/18/2010 6:13:38 PM

Sugar ants?

5/18/2013 7:50:54 PM

^thnx

Anything new out on the market? had an invasion this afternoon....

Looking something to spray inside/outside the perimeter of the house that actually fucking works.

5/18/2013 7:54:50 PM

We use ortho home defense max about twice a year and it seems to do just fine. We have a town house that has other units on three sides but we spray the fuck out of our yard.

5/27/2013 2:08:30 PM

yeah i went and bought some ortho and some that particle drops that shake out of the bag. good stuff.

i have seen a few wondering lost ants but no full blown lines.

5/27/2013 2:17:34 PM

Equal parts borax and sugar. Sprinkle where you see the ants. If you're trying to get rid of a mound do not sprinkle the bait on the mound. Sprinkle it about 2-3 feet away from the ant mound. If you sprinkle it on the mound the ants will see it as debris and try to move it. Sprinkling it 2-3 feet away and the ants think they've found a food source.

[Edited on May 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM. Reason : ,]

5/27/2013 2:45:56 PM

those terro liquid ant bait things work well. you can make something like it with borax and syrup, but it's not worth the trouble imo.

5/27/2013 7:07:00 PM

Terro ftw

best stuff ever

5/27/2013 7:09:31 PM

I love using terro.

5/27/2013 7:13:04 PM

if you like going directly after the mound just pour gasoline on it

dont light it

5/27/2013 8:07:29 PM

I'm using some Terro right now. I've used it before, and the stuff is a Godsend.

But I find myself getting sadistic about it. When I put the stuff down, I actually talk to the ants. I say, out loud,

"Hey, guys! I got a treat for you here. Have some of this!"

Then, after it's been down a few hours and they're all swarming all over it, "Yeah, a yummy treat for just for you guys. I hope it's good! Dig in!"

Then the next day, when they're starting to die, "Ooh, are you guys still enjoying my treat? My, that's good, isn't it? Yummy!"

6/10/2013 5:58:08 PM