^Yeah i can understand the Charlotte hate now. As much as you probably don't want to admit it, living in matthews probably slightly effected your view on Charlotte. Lets say if you lived in Elizabeth, or Dilworth, your opinion might be slightly different. Just a guess.

On a second note Calvin, my ferret, just ran under my desk and pounced on the power strip button, thus resulting in everything shutting down. I think he's telling me to get off the wolf web. Yeah i know i'm a dork for having a ferret.

Anyone see the Body Worlds exhibit at discovery place?

7/19/2007 6:47:21 PM

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"I was agreeing Charlotte would suck if you lived in like Matthews, Minthill, Gastonia, Ballantyne, Huntersville, etc because of the commute, and travel time to get places within the city."

the commute really isn't all that bad, even during rush hour. It takes me 25 minutes to get from Gastonia to downtown (Kenilworth Ave) at 8am during the week. There is rarely any stop and go traffic at all. There are benefits to living outside of the city and commuting in... one being the enormous price difference and less of a "crowded" urban feeling, which I dont particulary like to live in the middle of.


As far as which is better/bigger than the other... they both have plenty to do and sometimes if you live in Raleigh you'll have to go to Charlotte for a concert or game you want to see; and if you live in Charlotte, sometimes you have to go to Raleigh. I've lived in both for multiple years each, and have travelled back and forth to do different things.

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"Anyone see the Body Worlds exhibit at discovery place?"

not yet, but I want to. have you seen it?


[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 6:55 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2007 6:53:26 PM

i'm just saying, i've been to asheville 5x more than charlotte for concerts and they really only have one venue to speak of. (and i pay attn to pretty much all the tours that go through the state).

the triangle has a lot of venues that get good bands (not just cat's cradle). unfortunately raleigh recently lost king's, but hopefully that will be back up in the next year.

7/19/2007 6:55:40 PM

i like charlotte more than the triangle but i've definitely seen better shows (at small venues) in the triangle

most shows at big venues (or lots of them) are at both Verizon and Alltel (or whtaver the fuck the names of the pavilions are now)

7/19/2007 6:58:04 PM

what about amos' southend or the tremont?

7/19/2007 6:59:11 PM

yeah i've seen good shows there as well but i've seen more shows at the cradle

i think i went to shows more often in college (when i was in the triangle) than i do now so maybe that has something to do with it

also some of the spots in NoDa like Neighborhood Theater

[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 7:02 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2007 7:01:23 PM

all i'm saying is that very few tours (that i'm interested in) go through charlotte and not the triangle. (actually very few of them go through charlotte at all -- i guess they opt for the orange peel if they're in that area).

7/19/2007 7:08:13 PM

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"if you live in Raleigh you'll have to go to Charlotte for a concert or game you want to see; "

true Raleigh does not have the panthers but i think Raleigh has more of a music scene then Charlotte. Even discounting all the underground shit and places like lincoln theatre; the shows at Walnut Creek are comparable to Verizon Wireless in Charlotte.

Charlotte did not have Widespread Panic for 4/20

7/23/2007 12:03:23 AM

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"on second thought I would nominate Grissettown, NC"

Haha. I make an annual pass-through on the way to the beach.

7/23/2007 12:18:04 AM

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"I was agreeing Charlotte would suck if you lived in like... Huntersville, etc because of the commute, and travel time to get places within the city."

Well 77's shit at rush hour, but otherwise it's really not a big deal (not to mention that there are other ways to get into Charlotte besides 77 anyway). If they ever finished 485 up here, it'd be even easier.

7/23/2007 12:36:26 AM

I lived in Charlotte, and now live in Raleigh, and there is no way in hell I would even move back to Charlotte.

People talk about the banking there like its a good thing! What the hell, i would never want to be surrounded by a bunch of corporate posers at the bar. I guess it's good, if that's your kind of scene. Downtown may have more tall buildings, but when the hell does that make it a city? Do you guys not consider Paris a city? It has ONE tall building, and if that's any indication, it's a freaking monstrosity. The skyscrapers in Charlotte are only even nice from far away, when you're uptown they're too close and it feels way too claustraphobic.

Oh yeah, Charlotte has no soul, I agree. It has a Billy Graham parkway for god's sake (pun intended) so I beleive that ends the subject of soul right there!

I mean Charlotte does have a few redeemble qualities, like Freedom Park and the eastend are nice. But it's only overall nice for wanna posers and yuppies who want to live in a McMansion, it's queen city of urban sprawl.

I mean Raleigh does have sprawl too, going to North Raleigh is kind of crazy too, but the people are not nearly as insane as Charlotteans, I don't understand how people don't see that. It's like everyone in Charlotte is either a bible thumper or an asshole, or usually (unfortunatly) both.

Anyway, Raleigh real estate prices are rising faster than Charlotte, if that's any indicator of where people want to be. The industries in the different places are indicative of the kind of people who live in the respective places. You need to be creative and innovative to live and work in Raleigh, but you need to yes-man peon to live and work in Charlotte. Raleigh has education and erudition (40% of our population has a 4-year degree, I think only San Fransico is higher). So if these things are any indication Raleigh is going to surpass Charlotte in even more areas.

7/25/2007 9:54:16 AM

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"It's like everyone in Charlotte is either a bible thumper or an asshole, or usually (unfortunatly) both."

That's not fair. Not a single friend i have in Charlotte is a "bible thumper" or an asshole. In fact everyone i grew up with is very open minded, liberal and involved in the community. I think this thread has turned into people bashing each city. Saying Charlotte has "no soul" is very close minded and just plain stupid. You can't make blind accusations like that in regard to an entire city. Any attempt to blindly insult each city is just making yourself look silly.

For example i could say more people are below the poverty line in Raleigh, than Charlotte. Or that the per capia income for the city is higher than Raleigh. To insult Raleigh. But where does that get us? This would be a much more productive discussion if we simply made logical comparisons or simply stated the cool things to do in each city.

7/25/2007 10:08:08 AM

^^oh and:

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"Raleigh has education and erudition (40% of our population has a 4-year degree, I think only San Fransico is higher). "

Wrong, Raleigh is number 12 in the United State for Educational Attainment (Share of Population over age 25 with a bachelor's degree or higher).
Boulder, CO is number one, and San Francisco is number 4. Then Cambridge MA obviously. How did you ever come to the conclusion Raleigh was number 2? In fact Durham, NC is number 6, compared to Raleigh at 12. Although i don't understand how Durham is so much higher in educational attainment than Raleigh or CH. Duke maybe? Doesn't make sense.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 11:31 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 11:26:27 AM

this one: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departments/elearning/?article=educatedcities says raleigh is number 3. so you're both wrong.

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" Or that the per capia income for the city is higher than Raleigh."

according to this link, raleigh has a higher household income.


but these arguements are retarded.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 11:42 AM. Reason : d]

7/25/2007 11:32:21 AM

^I don't know if that's right. It might be way out of date. I've found serveral lists that rank Boulder as number one.

http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/2006/12/14/boulder-education-cities-ent_cx_ee_1215smartcities.html

or

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/1/07bestplaces_Best-Places-For-Business-And-Careers_EdAttRank.html (ranked by Educational Attainment)

Seattle isn't on a list. I don't know why or how these lists differ. Both say they get data from the US census.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 11:42 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 11:41:17 AM

several lists? those are both based on the same data collection.

heres a different one: http://www.bizjournals.com/edit_special/40.html

i guess the bottom line is that there is conflicting reporst. who knows which survey is actually correct.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 11:47 AM. Reason : d]

7/25/2007 11:47:00 AM

^Hey i like your list better. And it seems more accurate. Fine by me. It puts Charlotte number 6. Number 1 in the carolinas!

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"Charlotte easily outrates more prominent Southern cities like Atlanta, Dallas and Miami in terms of brainpower. Its emergence as the Southeast's financial center has attracted a well-schooled workforce, with nearly 37 percent of the city's adults holding bachelor's degrees. "

While Charlotte is number 6. Raleigh is not even in the top 10. Alright your list wins!
America's Smartest Cities
1. Seattle
2. San Francisco
3. Austin
4. Colorado Springs
5. Minneapolis
6. Charlotte
7. San Diego
8. Washington, D.C.
9. Portland, Ore.
10. Albuquerque
-US Census

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 11:50:03 AM

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"You need to be creative and innovative to live and work in Raleigh, but you need to yes-man peon to live and work in Charlotte. "

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"Charlotteans, I don't understand how people don't see that. It's like everyone in Charlotte is either a bible thumper or an asshole, or usually (unfortunatly) both."

i thought this was funny

7/25/2007 11:52:38 AM

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"Number 1 in the carolinas! "

theres something to be proud of!!

7/25/2007 11:53:37 AM

^^haha yea. There's more "bible thumpers" in Raleigh, NC. I found that out pretty quickly after going to state. Despite being alot of bankers Charlotte is NOT a big bible belt city.

http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/12.html

In regard to Charlotte being number 6. Raleigh isn't even in the top 50!!!

^oh you're so right. North Carolina has some of the best universities in the United States. So yes, being the city with the highest percentage of college grads in the state is defin a good thing to be proud of. I still love Raleigh, but i can't believe it's not in the top 50 for smartest cities.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 12:00 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 11:56:17 AM

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"There's more "bible thumpers" in Raleigh, NC."

I am not sure i agree with that. Maybe the NCSU population that comes from everywhere in NC. But from what i can tell the general Raleigh population is a lot more secular. Cary if fucking little NYC

7/25/2007 11:59:40 AM

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"You need to be creative and innovative to live and work in Raleigh, but you need to yes-man peon to live and work in Charlotte"

good to see you're looking at this objectively

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"theres something to be proud of!!"

Where are Baltimore and G-Vegas on that list? Probaly 11th and 12th I'm sure

7/25/2007 12:04:02 PM

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"In regard to Charlotte being number 6. Raleigh isn't even in the top 50!!! "

im guessing you dont live in charlotte since you weren't bright enough to figure out that raleigh was categorized (and ranked number 6) as a "medium-sized" city for this report.

http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/8.html





[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 12:05 PM. Reason : i cant type]

7/25/2007 12:04:04 PM

^You got me, i didn't see that. I've lived in Charlotte my whole life and Raleigh these past 3 years. I didn't realize Charlotte was catagorized as a "large" city, and Raleigh a "medium" city.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 12:11 PM. Reason : wrong link]

7/25/2007 12:04:21 PM

again, i think you're incorrect (atleast according to your link)

raleigh is ranked the 88th liberal and 150th conservative city

charlotte is ranked 112th liberal and 125th conervative.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 12:08 PM. Reason : d]

7/25/2007 12:08:14 PM

^i'm wrong again. I posted the wrong link. Both cities vote democrat majority, like any other big city. I guess it's hard to tell which is more liberal or conservative. I'll shutup now. I think even NC State is almost split.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 12:12 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 12:10:46 PM

well, your link did a pretty good job of ranking i think

here it is since you removed it:

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/metro/081205libs.pdf

7/25/2007 12:12:46 PM

^yeah control-f to find it. I don't know how they rank them though. I guess they do it according to percent vote. But again they're pairing republican with conservative and democrat with liberal. There's issues by itself in that method of listing.

http://votingresearch.org/USAstudyCArelease.pdf

That's weird i didn't know So Cal was the most conservative in the US. While Northern Cal was the most liberal.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 12:18 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 12:14:16 PM

well, if you read it, it says that they are ranked according to the percentage of liberal vs conservative votes during the 2004 presidential elections.

while its not perfect (since they aren't taking into account the people that don't vote) i think its a pretty decent way of ranking since the people who don't vote don't care enough about politics to do so, so they shouldn't be included as a conservative or a liberal.

7/25/2007 12:18:02 PM

^But again that means it ranks people who voted for Bush conservative and people who voted for Kerry liberal. I don't think liberal, and conservative should be watered down to simply that.

7/25/2007 12:20:38 PM

agreed...but there are more then 2 candidates running for president. id be interseted to see how the categorized the other candidates.

7/25/2007 12:23:31 PM

^exactly, don't know. You're cool though cause you have a sloth in your bio. Sloths are kick ass.

7/25/2007 12:28:46 PM

census doesnt count college students, cary or surrounding cities while it counts a land area twice the size for charlottes. raleigh really dominates every category if you count those things. thats why i made this thread. keep point

7/26/2007 11:53:13 AM

sounds like penis envy

you need to jump off charlotte's dong. it'll always be better, no matter how many threads you make

7/26/2007 11:57:50 AM

^^
Howard you said:

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"now I'm not saying Raleigh is more of a "big city" than charlotte but htey are very close and the triangle is a "bigger" metro area."

We clearly proved you wrong. Didn't you read any of this thread? Both Charlottes city limits population is bigger AND the Charlotte "metro" area is bigger. Every single list we found put Charlotte as almost twice the size of Raleigh in regard to ANY "title". Metro or city limits. So your original thoughts about Raleigh vs Charlottes size were WRONG.

No they're not "very close". Charlotte has Raleigh in any list in regard to size by a BIG margin.

7/26/2007 12:08:59 PM

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7/26/2007 12:09:05 PM

If I could trade Charlotte for Myrtle Beach, I would.

That's how much Charlotte sucks.

7/26/2007 12:13:03 PM

where did you used to live in charlotte bridget?

7/26/2007 12:21:41 PM

^^These Raleigh wankers really need to learn how to experience a city. Raleigh doesn't suck and Charlotte doesn't suck either. There's great aspects of both. Charlotte has probably twice the amount of bars, twice the amounts of places to eat, etc etc. You just have more options in Charlotte. Sure the range of shit to do spans bigger in terms of shittty to great, but you can't put down either city until you've experienced the great aspects of each city. Anyone in here like ^^ who blindly insult a single city haven't experienced what that city has to offer. A truely intellectual person who values the diversity of each city will only comment on the positive aspects of each city, not blindly focus on the negative ones. Any well-traveled person will rarely blindly insult a city without providing proof that it also has quite a few very redeeming features. Most of my friends in Charlotte who have only been to Raleigh a couple times say it sucks ass too, because it's so small, but they just haven't experienced what Raleigh has to offer yet. Same goes for Raleigh residents who've only been to Charlotte a couple times.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 12:29 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 12:24:41 PM

well who wouldn't want to trade a sprawling banking city for one of the best beaches in the world?

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"Both Charlottes city limits population is bigger AND the Charlotte "metro" area is bigger. Every single list we found put Charlotte as almost twice the size of Raleigh in regard to ANY "title". Metro or city limits. So your original thoughts about Raleigh vs Charlottes size were WRONG. No they're not "very close". Charlotte has Raleigh in any list in regard to size by a BIG margin."

Well the same could be said for Boston and I think Miami + San Fran.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 12:51 PM. Reason : lol]

7/26/2007 12:49:55 PM

myrtle beach is basically charlotte with an ocean except myrtle is a lot trashier

maybe charlotte should trade saks 5th avenue and louis vuitton stores for Wings and Eagles...then we could trade places like Capital Grille and McIntosh's for McDonald's and Captain D's...who wouldnt want that???

7/26/2007 12:58:32 PM

^haha nice.
My girlfriend works at Mimosa, and Arpa when she's home for the summer in downtown Charlotte. These places make Raleigh's fine dining look like Ruby Tuesdays. Remember bankers spend more money on food than government employees. I've personally met some of the managers and owners of some of the oldest fine dining places in the state at fundraisers, and they'd laugh at you if you asked them about places to eat in Myrtle Beach. They'd tell you to go back and drink your budlight and play on your surf boards at Myrtle Beach's pathetic excuse for waves. Then they'd probably turn a blind eye, and pretend like they didn't even talk to you.

7/26/2007 1:18:41 PM

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"We clearly proved you wrong. Didn't you read any of this thread? Both Charlottes city limits population is bigger AND the Charlotte "metro" area is bigger. Every single list we found put Charlotte as almost twice the size of Raleigh in regard to ANY "title". Metro or city limits. So your original thoughts about Raleigh vs Charlottes size were WRONG. No they're not "very close". Charlotte has Raleigh in any list in regard to size by a BIG margin."

all im saying is stop letting the city limits skew the numbers. when you talk metro areas they are counting an area twice the size as the area they're calling the raleigh metro. my hometown is like an hour away from charlotte but counts in charlotte metro numbers while places that are actuallly near raleigh like clayton johsnon county and many other areas don't even count as the metro area. consider the same size radius around each city and raleigh wins close. consider the triangle as the 1 metro area that it truly is and it blows charlotte away. I'm talking about comparing the same size areas. I know size wise charlotte is bigger because they expand their city limits well into the boonies like anchorage virginia beach and many towns out west. Don't let that skew you

7/26/2007 2:24:50 PM

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"my hometown is like an hour away from charlotte"

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" but counts in charlotte metro numbers "

It can't.

And where is your home town? You can get to any Charlotte "metro" area in under 30 minutes from downtown Charlotte. Whereas if you include the whole "triangle" area as a metro area (any list online does NOT include the triangle as the "Raleigh Metro area") then it'll take you longer than 30 minutes to get there from downtown Raleigh. Any list online lists Charlotte's "metro" area quite a bit larger than Raleigh's "metro area". Around 500,000 people larger in fact.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 2:43:28 PM

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"myrtle beach is basically charlotte with an ocean except myrtle is a lot trashier"

so it's like gastonia with an ocean

7/26/2007 3:47:19 PM

yeah or capital boulevard in raleigh or independence blvd in charlotte (with an ocean)

7/26/2007 3:48:52 PM

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"independence blvd in charlotte (with an ocean)"

haha

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"Well the same could be said for Boston and I think Miami + San Fran."

Poetrickster. You been to any of those places? San Francisco? Or Boston? They make Myrtle Beach look like a car dealership full of overweight rednecks and budlight (not far from the truth). In fact i'd rather go to Boston Beaches like Carson Beach, Constitution Beach, and Revere Beach (all of which you can get to on the T) rather than Myrtle Beach, and Boston isn't even known for its beaches.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 3:51:18 PM

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"I know size wise charlotte is bigger because they expand their city limits well into the boonies"

have you ever BEEN to charlotte? because that statement is categorically false

7/26/2007 4:00:41 PM

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"neodata686: Most of my friends in Charlotte who have only been to Raleigh a couple times say it sucks ass too, because it's so small, but they just haven't experienced what Raleigh has to offer yet."

The number one thing Raleigh has to offer is relatively douche-bag-free living...Charlotte fails in that regard. And that's why Charlotte sucks.

But, if you like banking towns with segregated schools, Charlotte is the place to be.

And if you're confused about my use of the word douche bag, you can refer to yourself:

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"neodata686: Anyone in here like ^^ who blindly insult a single city haven't experienced what that city has to offer. A truely intellectual person who values the diversity of each city will only comment on the positive aspects of each city, not blindly focus on the negative ones. Any well-traveled person will rarely blindly insult a city without providing proof that it also has quite a few very redeeming features."

Shut the fuck up with that nonsense, bitch.

And work on your style a bit.

7/26/2007 4:33:34 PM

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"where did you used to live in charlotte bridget?"

7/26/2007 4:34:16 PM