i dont know how success has to do with who has the better skills

yeah i mean these threads have been going on since tww and everybody has their own opinions in music...if we all liked the same shit it would be boring

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2007 7:28:23 PM

i wasn't arguing that point either, you should know me better than that

cause if thats the case Yung Berg is runnin the game right now

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2007 7:28:51 PM

im offended that this thread would even THINK to suggest that Soulja Boy is not the premier rap lyricist.


what I'm going to need all of YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUU to do is CRANK THAT SOULJA BOY.

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 7:31 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2007 7:31:06 PM

actually

its

YYYAAAAUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

and we dont supaman no mo

we just spidaman that ho

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 7:32 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2007 7:32:38 PM

never heard of em

8/12/2007 7:32:39 PM

ahah you must not:

go to clubs
parties
watch tv
listen to the radio
visit youtube

etc.

8/12/2007 7:33:31 PM

dont know how going to youtube makes you see things but many clubs and parties dont play that shit

were each talking to brick walls, btw

agree to disagree ftw

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 7:35 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2007 7:34:56 PM

that shit was founded on youtube and more popular than that chocolate rain nonsense, was frontpaged for a minute

and you must go to folk music clubs or somethin, didnt know thats how it got down in the seven o fo

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 7:36 PM. Reason : ahaha agreeing to disagree is how these joints usually turn out]

8/12/2007 7:36:18 PM

its on sirius all the fucking time and it is terrible.

8/12/2007 7:36:39 PM

i saw pete rock at a club last sunday...needless to say he didnt spin that trash

8/12/2007 7:37:32 PM

k i get it you dig in the crates

8/12/2007 7:39:24 PM

Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat Hoe
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jocking On Them Haterz Man
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat Dance
(Now You)
I'm Jocking On Yo Bitch Ass
And If We Get The Fightin
Then I'm Cocking On Your Bitch
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
"I Got Me Some Bathin Apes"

8/12/2007 7:39:29 PM

pete rock was mainstream when i was coming up, so whatever

8/12/2007 7:40:18 PM

ahah yes when you were coming up, but now he'd be considered diggin in the crates when it was about that reel hip hop, etc.

and just cause i'm like...2 years younger than you im guessin dosen't mean we didn't come up on the same shit, you can save the angst for the less knowledgeable folks on ze boards

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 7:45 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2007 7:44:37 PM

then why would you act like Pete Rock is some kind of rare underground shit?? thats like saying The Rolling Stones or Earth, Wind and Fire are some kind of underground shit that only herbs with backpacks have heard of

8/12/2007 7:46:06 PM

digging in the crates dosen't equate to backpack music, at least not in my dictionary

just saying its a different era of hip hop history. i'd say the same if you said dj premier was spinning at the club

8/12/2007 7:48:40 PM

all im saying is that i dont like or dislike music based on if its popular or not, i hope you wouldnt think i did, it just so happens that a lot of popular shit is garbage so i dont really have much reason to listen to the shit they play on (non satellite) radio or at the trendy shit clubs

8/12/2007 7:51:15 PM

BUT IVE ALREADY SAID SOULJA BOY IS HEAVILY ON SATELLITE RADIO. WATCH ME ROCK, WATCH ME ROLL.

8/12/2007 7:52:18 PM

i dont even have satellite radio, i just know they have like 8 different rap stations and they each have their niche

like i said though agree to disagree ftw

i just dont like when people think i ONLY like some kind of rare snobbish shit and hate stuff BECAUSE its popular...cause i know that type too and thats not me

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 7:56 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2007 7:55:03 PM

ok, this shit has gotten waaaay the fuck off topic here.

Nas loses points for ghostwriting for Will Smith.

8/12/2007 8:30:42 PM

in all fairness, i think they cancel each other out since jay writes for beyonce

(is this comment too serious?)

8/12/2007 8:34:59 PM

this thread needs some Black Moon



pretty good video quality for a youtube video of an old rap video, btw

[Edited on August 12, 2007 at 8:46 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2007 8:40:31 PM

not really sure why this turned into an appreciation for non-mainstream guys, but ok?

8/12/2007 8:59:54 PM

Quote :

"Illmatic is hands down better than anything Jay ever put out"

but Nas's shit has been way less consistent than Jay's

8/12/2007 9:07:25 PM

^ agreed. I'm gonna have to go with Jay-Z winning this battle. Maybe i'll listen to some old school Nas and give him a little more credit later today.

8/13/2007 10:19:07 AM

seriously, this is what, the 18th thread on this topic over the past 6-7 years? J_hova and twista always take a side, and the rest of us fall in line. it's like an annual event. as soon as nas releases his next album, this will come up again.

personally, i'd take unk and that "tea bag" song over both of 'em, but that's just me...

8/13/2007 12:14:31 PM

thx for contributing, troll

8/13/2007 12:53:55 PM

hahaha, look back at the other 17 threads, i've contributed on this topic many times before.

both are great. personally, i'd take jay-z over nas, but that's just one man's opinion. blueprint's one of my favorite rap albums of the decade, and nas has been too inconsistent since illmatic. although...i did like "hip hop is dead" 10X more than "kingdom come". word.

8/13/2007 1:54:44 PM

All I got to say is Ether....after that dropped it was game set and match to Nas. I don't care what Jay-Z has done before and since then but when I heard ether it was game over. Jay has done some hot shit over the years but I pick Nas anyday of the week.

8/13/2007 6:36:27 PM

[Edited on August 13, 2007 at 7:53 PM. Reason : b]

8/13/2007 7:51:05 PM

Quote :

"All I got to say is Ether....after that dropped it was game set and match to Nas. I don't care what Jay-Z has done before and since then but when I heard ether it was game over. Jay has done some hot shit over the years but I pick Nas anyday of the week."

ether was hot, but it was full of bullshit. Rockerfeller didn't die of AIDS... that shit wasn't even around then. "gay-z?" good one! How bout the fact that jay didn't have to resort to shit like that to tear Nas a new asshole.

8/13/2007 8:58:50 PM

yeah everybody says Nas won that battle...Ether may have been a hotter song. But for the better "lyricist" to resort to calling somebody a "fag" and shouting false bullshit really detracts from it for me. Jay talked about real shit. Considering Jay is now Nasir's boss, the argument is kinda moot.

Illmatic is better than any Jay Z album but Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint and the Black Album are all much better than anything Nas has done since. Stillmatic and it was written were decent albums but they aren't fucking with the Blueprint. Since this is art, it's pretty subjective and there's not going to be a winner in this argument. Personally I like Jay Z better, though I recognize this may be because his beats are far superior. (but shouldn't that be at least a small factor when comparing the two as artists...they do have a choice in this). If Rappers were judged the same way we would judge sports figures, Jay would win this hands down.

When Nas is on his game, he's far better than jay. But those times are rare. I think Nas gets too much credit for being "lyrical and deep" when sometimes he just uses words that young (or stupid)rap fans just don't understand while not actually saying shit.

While success isn't how I would judge music, it's hard to ignore the fact that Jay Z ran shit for about 8 straight years while Nas had years where he wasn't even relevant.

8/13/2007 10:14:18 PM

hey i happened on a copy of blueprint again today and took it as fate so i gave it another spin and was reminded of how jays work went to pure garbage after the big pimpin timeframe.

theres an artist who fits into rap culture and a rapper who tries to be an artist. nas and jay-z, there you have it.

8/13/2007 10:53:56 PM

yea i think this may be one of the great debates of hip-hop for some time to come. one thing is certain is that the fans win . i enjoyed the beef A LOT and the fact that no one died makes it even better.

8/13/2007 11:06:04 PM

Quote :

"I wish I was a mediocre rapper that got shot so you'd like me too"

lolol

8/14/2007 12:00:58 AM

the fact that this thread has so much parity sickens me

all i will add today is

Quote :

"I think Nas gets too much credit for being "lyrical and deep" "

I think Jay gets too much credit for "hiring producers that makes chicks dance"

Quote :

"When Nas is on his game, he's far better than jay"

to me this would say that Nas is "far better than Jay"

8/14/2007 10:10:08 AM

^^^^ are you saying the blueprint is garbage? 'cause that was two albums after big pimpin'. i think after the blueprint jay has fallen off, but that album was sick - and it had no dance hits or neptunes beats on it.

8/14/2007 11:36:27 AM

the REAL blueprint

8/14/2007 12:07:37 PM

yeah, i have that "blueprint" on tape, from back in middle school. but i like jay's better. "you must learn" still gets some spins in the walkman though.

8/14/2007 3:11:14 PM

just seems like Jay was biting the name pretty blatantly

8/14/2007 3:20:23 PM

A Guy Called Gerald also released an album called "Blueprint", as did Satoko Fujii, a japanese pianist

you're just trying to split hairs now and taking a line nas said

which still isn't as scathing as fuckin his baby moms

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 3:51:23 PM

Quote :

"A Guy Called Gerald also released an album called "Blueprint", as did Satoko Fujii, a japanese pianist"

are they hiphop artists?

and im not splitting hairs...im pointing out how blatantly unoriginal jay is but you'll never listen and i'll never listen to your reasons either as we already know

8/14/2007 3:53:50 PM

would you stop talkin like every nas project was completely original and full of pure ingenuity ...

8/14/2007 3:54:26 PM

^ hahah. Illmatic/Stillmatic HE EVEN BIT HIMSELF, SON

ahaha nah im one of the more open minded fans on this board

i just get tired beating the dead fucking horse

I can enjoy Nas' catalouge, you just make it seem like you can't enjoy Jay-Zs

and I don't think in any of my shit i've ever said which one is better or worse, but I could be wrong seeing as we've been through this numerous times

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 3:55:42 PM

i cant enjoy jay-z's...oh well thats just me

ps: "Jehovah"...thats an original name just like the Blueprint!

oh yeah and Rocafella...thats also completely original

but seriously, at least Jehovah and Nastradamus and Rocafella are plays on words

The Blueprint is just biting

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 4:07 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 4:03:44 PM

still saying blueprint is biting? i can keep goin...
streets disciple- hmm i've seen that album cover somewhere.

god's son?-sorry already taken

Quote :

"i just get tired beating the dead fucking horse I can enjoy Nas' catalouge, you just make it seem like you can't enjoy Jay-Zs"

i'm with hova. it's the same argument w/ big and pac, i enjoy both but I enjoy big more. u always run into those assholes who say big n pac shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence like their opinion is fact. and we all know ...you shouldn't argue with fools cause from a distance people can't tell who is who.

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 4:42:18 PM

you must have missed this part

Quote :

"but seriously, at least Jehovah and Nastradamus and Rocafella are plays on words The Blueprint is just biting"

btw Biggie's Ready to Die bit off Nas' Illmatic album cover

Quote :

"it's the same argument w/ big and pac, i enjoy both but I enjoy big more"

see i disagree that the nas/jay thing is the same...I too enjoy both Big and Pac...I do enjoy Nas and I don't enjoy Jay, but hey thats just me

i wish you'd see the difference in doing plays on words and straight biting from another hip hop album...kinda like what your boy Jay does with Big's rhymes

8/14/2007 5:23:51 PM

you aint saying nothing anyone doesn't know, hence the beating the dead horse

how many MCs bite jay-zs swagger, style, flow, and shit his rhymes too?

take away bigs lines and tell me he still doesn't put out dope shit, Biggies lyrics never made a jay-z song

"im not a biter ima writer for myself and others
say a Big verse, i'm only biggin' up my brother"

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 5:29 PM. Reason : and i'm officially off this topic til the next time this shit fucking comes up again]

8/14/2007 5:28:51 PM

Quote :

"how many MCs bite jay-zs swagger, style, flow, and shit his rhymes too? "

well thats another problem...seems like the whole mainstream game doesnt give a fuck about originality...thats why they put out the same cookie cutter shit...lots of times its not that they're trying to get their own shit out there on the map...they're trying to follow a formula for hip pop

and Jay bit half his style and his flow too, doesnt mean the shit should just keep going on...and you wonder why i dont keep up with a lot of the new mainstream shit...its not because its mainstream...its because its recycled trash

Quote :

"Biggies lyrics never made a jay-z song"

no but Nas's lyrics made a Jay-Z hook!

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 5:32 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 5:31:56 PM

so they follow Jay's "formula"....sounds like a Blueprint to me.

8/14/2007 5:45:32 PM