Well punish the culprits. This still doesn't mean she deserves a payoff due to her own stupidity from McDonalds larger then the $$ most Americans will see in their lives.

10/7/2007 7:04:49 PM

i read a part of this thread where bridget says she deserves "every penny"

wtf makes you think that? i mean i could see like 50k or maybe even 100k but anything after that is bs imo

10/7/2007 7:16:49 PM

The culprits were punished...

The assistant manager is serving probation.
The fiance is in jail.
The caller was charged, but acquitted.


I'm very disappointed that the caller was acquitted. I'm also disappointed that McDonald's lost their lawsuit--but that wasn't a criminal suit and the girl is free to sue whomever she likes.

10/7/2007 7:17:21 PM

Can I sue Louise for being a stupid dumb cunt. My premise would be that I have to pay slightly extra every time i go to McD's b.c they have payoff the 6.1 million dollors to her.

10/7/2007 7:28:53 PM

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"A Tanzarian: I certainly understand the mindless work and resulting mental fatigue. Pretty much every job involves mind-numbing repetitive and monotonous tasks. It's a fact of life and has been since there's been life. I would also agree with you that the nature of the work contributed to the psychology of the situation. The caller's police office persona turned the whole event into real life Milgram and Stanford prison experiments."

So you agree with me.

I understand that a lot of jobs involve working in this type of climate.

And when something terrible happens where the climate is a contributing factor, I think the employer who created it should be responsible for its part in it.

10/7/2007 7:39:46 PM

^^ Go for it. It won't be the first frivolous lawsuit.

^ I don't agree that a company which creates a particular work environment is necessarily responsible (or even partially responsible)--though I can certainly imagine situations in which the company would be responsible (Davis-Besse would be a fine example).

Part of being a responsible adult is being able to function in various environments and situations.

This is a situation in which the adults failed to be adults, not one in which a company failed to provide a proper work environment.

10/7/2007 7:50:12 PM

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"It doesn't matter if she's an idiot or not. Her being an idiot does not change the fact that a crime was committed against her."

Indeed, and so she is entitled to justice and compensation from the people who comitted a crime against her. Not McDonalds. Her idiocy does not make McDonalds responsible for this crime.

10/7/2007 8:12:05 PM

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"The culprits were punished... The assistant manager is serving probation. The fiance is in jail. The caller was charged, but acquitted. I'm very disappointed that the caller was acquitted. I'm also disappointed that McDonald's lost their lawsuit--but that wasn't a criminal suit and the girl is free to sue whomever she likes."

10/7/2007 8:38:44 PM

except for Tanzarian and Bridget, you people are a bunch of fucksticks.

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10/7/2007 11:16:49 PM

Hi, my name is Louise. After dropping out of high school I became a hamburger flipper at McDonalds. One day at work an anonymous person called in claiming to be a police officer told me I had to be stripped searched b.c of a possible theft from a customer. Intelligence is not one of my strong points so instead of using my brain I just went along with it. Before I realized what was going on I was naked in the managers office with a broom stuck in my twat .

Two years later I am smiling because I somehow convinced the court that it was McD's fault for my ignorance and for not knowing one of their managers was a pervert. I am thus getting 6.1 million dollars in settlement which is probably 10x my lifetime earning potential. Sometimes ignorance does pay off

10/8/2007 12:12:48 AM

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" I'm going with the "she didn't say 'no' at all" defense here. Remember at the order of some random stranger on the phone, she stripped and performed sexual acts on her manager's fiance. At no point did she try and leave or stop everything, so yes, she shares in the blame for what happened."

Well now you're contradicting yourself. You'll admit that the management committed crimes, but now you're saying Ogborn is to blame -- well, ok, if it was just consensual, then what did the managers do wrong? It's not illegal for stupid people to have sex based on lies, otherwise most internet dating would need to be outlawed ...

The problem here -- as is the problem with many of your posts -- is that you don't exactly have a great command of the facts.

When Summers asked Ogborn to strip, it was relatively non-threatening. Summers didn't even see her naked. She just looked through her clothes while Ogborn remained covered up (with an apron). Ogborn trusted Summers, and Summers didn't really threaten her.

Where the situation got bad -- and where I totally sympathize with the girl -- is that Summers then left her alone with a large, middle-aged man while she worked out front. Ogborn didn't have a good opportunity to leave because she was _naked_, in a store backroom, and once he was in there, he basically had his way with her.

Now you can argue that Ogborn was stupid for complying with Summers to begin with -- and you have -- but here's a naive teenage girl who trusts her boss, who claims to be talking to the police. I know it's hard to imagine we aren't all grown men with college degrees from a good engineering school, but do try. She wasn't in any immediate danger when the ordeal began; but Summers turned around and put her in a very, very bad position.

You really sound like an ignorant fool. Watch the video -- the girl is cornered in a backroom with a large, imposing man. She didn't just "perform on command," she was scared shitless and she should have been.

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" And, rufus, 1337b4k4, you're still not getting it. Her female assistant manager strip searched her. At that point, she was naked in a back room, scared as fuck, and completely humiliated. So, yeah, it is really hard for me to point a finger at her and blame her for what happened after that. It's easy for you two...you want to blame her, call her stupid, call her spineless...and, again, not consider the idea that maybe something else was going on there."

I completely agree with you, especially after seeing the televised (20/20) report about this. I still don't think McDonald's is liable -- but clearly this was a case of direct psychological and physical sexual abuse.

In fact having seen the newscast, I think I completely sympathize with the girl. I do think she's being used by her attorneys and the media to make this into some broader social crusade. But her own situation was unfortunate and criminal in the extreme; and frankly, I'd be more inclined to blame her parents for not better educating her about "the real world" before sending her out to work at McDonald's with these psychopaths.

10/8/2007 3:47:42 AM

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"Her idiocy does not make McDonalds responsible for this crime."

Actually, I'll take this a little further -- watch the newscast. If you still think this girl is an "idiot," then there is something just fundamentally wrong with you as a human being. Don't ever have kids, please.

Not that such a realization would keep you from posting more claptrap.

[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 3:51 AM. Reason : foo]

10/8/2007 3:50:58 AM

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"And when something terrible happens where the climate is a contributing factor, I think the employer who created it should be responsible for its part in it."

Well, the court didn't make McDonald's responsible for the work environment, just for not sharing information. Which to me isn't reasonable -- because on some level, it's not the normal role of a corporate franchiser to run an internal crime blotter system.

Plus I'm not sure there was anything wrong with the work climate. From what I saw, Summers was stupid but well-meaning. The guy who committed the real harm wasn't a McDonald's employee, he was her fiance (an exterminator). In fact, the other employee Summers called on refused to comply with the instructions.

At any rate ... Summers is just a total moron. Talk about the shallow end of the gene pool ...

10/8/2007 4:05:14 AM

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"Actually, I'll take this a little further -- watch the newscast. If you still think this girl is an "idiot," then there is something just fundamentally wrong with you as a human being. Don't ever have kids, please."

I watched part of the newscast, and when asked why she got totally naked and started doing jumping jacks and further exposing herself and whatnot, the girl the girl says "My parents taught me that when an adult tells you to do something, that's what you do." I don't see how you can say she's not a retard.

Now don't get me wrong, the girl is certainly entitled to the justice she deserves against the manager and her boyfriend, but trying to blame McDonald's is just money grubbing. Oh and she's still an idiot.

[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 4:27 AM. Reason : .]

10/8/2007 4:20:01 AM

^

Well, I made a comment above about "let's imagine for a second that you aren't a grown man with a college degree from a good engineering school ..." -- let me repeat that. Along with my comment about how you should never have kids -- which deserves repeating at least twice.

Here you have a girl who is just 18, and very much insulated from the world, and who has a basic respect for authority. She's lived her whole life being told what to do by her parents and teachers, and her management at McDonald's is another form of authority. Summers asked her to take her clothes off, but in a non-threatening way -- she didn't just ask her to strip, she allowed her to remain covered.

Clearly she was afraid when the man asked her to drop the apron -- but at that point she basically had no outlet; Summers had put her in a fundamentally bad situation.

I know. The girl is stupid because she doesn't know how the real world works and what her rights are vis a vis authority and so on ... clearly her limited worldview is a sign of her inherent genetic inferiority compared to us TWW demi-gods.

But while you're on that intellectual tangent, please -- do consider not having kids. When your teenage daughter starts dating the abusive skank down the street, you'll blame her when he hits/rapes/etc her because she was "stupid."

You guys are all pathological enablers. Seriously. I can't even believe you exist.

10/8/2007 4:51:04 AM

^^

Also I should point out -- as I think should be blindingly fucking obvious from the video -- that at the point when she was asked to do jumping jacks, etc., she was _naked and alone in a back-room with a 230 lb man_.

Yea, she should've just made a break for it ... that makes sense. 90 lb girl and 230 lb man who thinks he's on the phone "with the police" ...

And you think the girl is stupid?

10/8/2007 4:55:35 AM

^, ^^

word. include Smoker in the list of ...

wait.

there's video? where???

10/8/2007 9:42:50 AM

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"Ogborn was forced to undress, endure a strip search, and to perform sexual acts, the lawsuit said. The events were captured on surveillance video, which was shown to jurors during the trial."

where's this video?@?!?

10/8/2007 10:32:02 AM

part of it was on youtube a while back as part of a newscast.

10/8/2007 10:33:47 AM

that girl deserves some money

its not a frivolous law suit... she got seriously wronged by that fucking creep and dumbass manager

[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 11:13 AM. Reason : -]

10/8/2007 11:11:40 AM

yeah she deserves every penny of the 6.1 million as Bridget suggest rights

10/8/2007 11:45:27 AM

$6.1 million is a little more than "some money", I think

10/8/2007 12:15:53 PM

for $6.1 million they should post the video on youtube

Quote :

"Ogborn was forced to undress, endure a strip search, and to perform sexual acts, the lawsuit said. The events were captured on surveillance video, which was shown to jurors during the trial."

10/8/2007 12:19:37 PM

Had anyone proclaimed "this is wrong, call the cops", then she would not have gotten $6.1 million

In hind sight, these three are potentially the smartest people in the world. The manager was able to criminally strip search an employee and walk off with $1.1 million. The guy was able to strip search a chick half his age and get a blow job, only cost five years (I bet he thinks it was worth it). The "victim" gets $6.1 million for being naked for three hours and give a guy a blow job (the broom handle seems to be a different case).

I bet when the guy gets out of prison he is going to sue McDonald's also and get half a million. If the strip searching manager is a victim of McDonald's than why not the rapist?

10/8/2007 1:57:39 PM

for real...wheres the rapist's lawyers talking about how all the artificial chemicals and preservatives in the McDonald's food drove him into some delirious craze and forced him to rape the girl

10/8/2007 2:43:44 PM

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"Well now you're contradicting yourself. You'll admit that the management committed crimes, but now you're saying Ogborn is to blame -- well, ok, if it was just consensual, then what did the managers do wrong? It's not illegal for stupid people to have sex based on lies, otherwise most internet dating would need to be outlawed ... "

Poor choice of words on my part, allow me to clarify. I am not defending any of the 4 people involved in this. In my opinion they are all guilty of allowing this to happen. I am defending McDonalds which i feel has no responsibility for anything that's happened here.

The girl shares in the blame for allowing this to happen to her. However, being that she is the victim here, she has already paid the price for her share of the blame. The people who have prices to pay still are the manager, her fiance and the caller.

Quote :

"When Summers asked Ogborn to strip, it was relatively non-threatening. Summers didn't even see her naked. She just looked through her clothes while Ogborn remained covered up (with an apron). Ogborn trusted Summers, and Summers didn't really threaten her."

So if your manger calls you into his office and says "Please remove all your clothes except this apron, because there's a cop on the phone who says you stole something." you're going to remove your clothes because it's non threatening? If anything, the fact that it was non threatening further proves the stupidity of the girl, it's not like the mager held a knife to her and ordered her to strip.

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"Where the situation got bad -- and where I totally sympathize with the girl -- is that Summers then left her alone with a large, middle-aged man while she worked out front. Ogborn didn't have a good opportunity to leave because she was _naked_, in a store backroom, and once he was in there, he basically had his way with her."

Except that Summers first left her with another employee, who aparently told her what the caller said and who left in disgust. At this point, warning bells should have been going off all over the place in both Ogborn and Summer's heads and Ogborn should have had the sense to put her clothes back on and demand that her manager call the real cops to verify everything.

It's also worth pointing out that this girl apparently has no clear sense of relative danger. She says she didn't try to leave because it would be embarrasing to run through the store naked, as if having to parade around buck naked infront of her manager's fiance and perform sex acts wasn't embarrasing.

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"Now you can argue that Ogborn was stupid for complying with Summers to begin with -- and you have -- but here's a naive teenage girl who trusts her boss, who claims to be talking to the police. I know it's hard to imagine we aren't all grown men with college degrees from a good engineering school, but do try. She wasn't in any immediate danger when the ordeal began; but Summers turned around and put her in a very, very bad position."

So are you saying that at 18, even if you trusted your boss, you would submit to a strip search because some guy on the phone is blaming you for a crime you know you didn't commit? Seriously, I can't think of a single person on this entire board who I would qualify as that brain damaged. 18 is hardly a young child who doesn't know any better.

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"that girl deserves some money its not a frivolous law suit... she got seriously wronged by that fucking creep and dumbass manager "

So how is suing McDonalds correcting the wrongs forced on her by the manger and her fiance?

10/8/2007 2:44:07 PM

Hello this is a police officer. I have reason to believe one of your employees has stolen something. Since I am not there and am only on the phone, I'll need you, a McDonald's employee, to conduct a police strip search. Also please dust for fingerprints, take appropriate crime scene photos, and do this all by police protocol even though you're not police. If anyone questions what you are doing and asks to see a badge, just tell them a police officer telephoned the store.

10/8/2007 2:49:59 PM

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"This girl deserves every penny."

Maybe she should have grabbed a hot cup of coffee and spilled it on her hole and gone for $400 million then, right?

10/8/2007 5:06:51 PM

Whoa, I didn't realize there was a blowjob involved. That changes everything.


And this girl got very fat since it happened.


[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 6:55 PM. Reason : asd]

10/8/2007 6:46:53 PM

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"So are you saying that at 18, even if you trusted your boss, you would submit to a strip search because some guy on the phone is blaming you for a crime you know you didn't commit? Seriously, I can't think of a single person on this entire board who I would qualify as that brain damaged. 18 is hardly a young child who doesn't know any better."

Smoker4:

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" But while you're on that intellectual tangent, please -- do consider not having kids. When your teenage daughter starts dating the abusive skank down the street, you'll blame her when he hits/rapes/etc her because she was "stupid." You guys are all pathological enablers. Seriously. I can't even believe you exist."

10/10/2007 1:48:07 AM

so then you're telling me at 18 you would have submitted to a strip search by your boss at the direction of someone on the phone? I'm not enabling anyone. The manager the fiance and the caller should all be locked up for a long time but I am saying that it concerns me that we as a society don't think that a woman who can legaly sign her life away can't and shouldn't be able to recognize and protect herself from a situation like this.

10/10/2007 8:52:44 AM

unless it was done at gunpoint (which it wasnt) she doesnt deserve a penny

10/10/2007 9:02:24 AM

i just read all this

ridiculous

this sounds like the theme of a prawn website i once saw

10/10/2007 9:38:47 AM

Even McDonalds deserves Justice

10/10/2007 9:50:43 AM

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"i can come up to you and tell you to suck my dick all i want, thats not a crime."

I believe you're incorrect

10/10/2007 10:08:50 AM

Hi everyone this is Louise,

now that justice has been served I feel so much better about my life with my $6.1 million. I finally moved out of my mom's home in the trailor park and moved into the Double Wide down the street. As a house warmin party I'm getting a kilo of blow and will have 4 kegs. I am ready to meet some handsome guys and I also am able to afford birth control now so no longer have to worry about getting knocked up by the new guy i sleep with every weekend. Momma always says a stupid is as a stupid does.

<3

Louise

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 11:13 AM. Reason : l]

10/10/2007 11:13:12 AM

i'd hit it

10/10/2007 11:29:21 AM

I'd hit it and buy her a small parfait.

10/10/2007 3:15:23 PM

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"The trickster had already duped supervisors in at least 68 different fast food restaurants in 32 states over nearly 10 years, the paper reported"

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"By early 2004, there had been more than 70 cases of hoax phone calls to fast food restaurants, dating as far back as 1994. At a McDonald's in Hinesville, Ga., a caller convinced a 55-year-old janitor to do a cavity search of a 19-year-old cashier, while in Fargo, N.D., a manager at a local Burger King strip-searched a 17-year-old female employee. In Phoenix, a caller had a Taco Bell manager pick out a customer and then strip-search her. And police in Massachusetts had been looking for a man who called three Wendy's restaurants near Boston in a single day."

BUT:

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"A Florida man, David Stewart, was charged with making the hoax phone call but acquitted last summer. Police have said the calls stopped after Stewart's arrest"

Wow... that's some great justice right there

(and also the manager getting money from this)

The jurors should be crucified (from both trials).

10/12/2007 6:22:50 AM

Look at all the e-tuff guys.

If this happened to you, you'd go along with a lot longer then you think you would.

10/12/2007 10:10:15 AM

yeah, everyone tries to say that they would have done things differently if in that situation, but how would they know? Few people here are 18 year old girls, or would know what its like to be in that situation.
However, I hope nobody here would have done what the manager's boyfriend did. Or even the manager herself. You would think she would have known something wasn't right.
Poor girl, raised to never question authority. Its hard not to blame the parents, but shouldn't parents teach their kids not to obey if what is going on is wrong? "My mama said to always do as an adult says." *sigh* Wasn't she an adult herself? She was 18, after all.

10/12/2007 11:47:59 AM

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"Poor girl, raised to never question authority."

question authority?? the chick is 18 i hope she would have some common sense. If a cop pulled her over for speeding from my grasp of the girls thought patterns she would go along with officer farva asking her to take her pants off and let him fuck her in the back of the police cruiser. i mean Louise does not want to question authority

10/12/2007 1:11:06 PM

seriously, thats what she had said. That her mama told her when an adult tells her to do something she should do it. but yeah, at 18, she should have had common sense.

10/12/2007 1:21:12 PM

Supposedly from the McD's training manual/procedure handbook/whatever you call it:

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""Under no circumstances should any member of McDonald's management or staff conduct a search of any employee or customer's person. No legitimate law enforcement agency would ever ask you to conduct such searches. If someone claiming to be a law enforcement official requests that a manager or employee conduct a strip search, or any search of another employee or customer, try to obtain the name and phone number of the caller and immediately call your local police department to report the incident. Contact your owner/operator or security manager about the incident as soon as possible.""

Unless McDonald's decided that the people involved in the incident didn't need to read the handbook, this excerpt means that McDonalds should NOT be held liable for this incident in any way. The above statement is all the warning that any non-mentally-handicapped person should need to keep this incident from happening. The jurors that decided to award this young woman money from the pocket of McD's are completely incompetent and should be banned from serving any kind of jury duty in the future.

Now, I agree that this girl deserves some compensation (perhaps not 6 million, but at least something) for what happened to her, but it should not be coming from McDonalds. It should be coming from the manager, or her fiance, or the guy who made the call... or the state, if the criminals responsible can't be sued for the money.

[Edited on October 12, 2007 at 9:00 PM. Reason : pronouns]

10/12/2007 9:00:11 PM

They can be sued; but everything they own less debts comes to about $200. Not worth the effort unless you get onto peoples court and the TV network pays the award.

10/13/2007 9:57:07 PM

you people need to let this go.

big macs will go up 5 cents.

so what.

10/14/2007 2:26:40 AM

There is the youtube in case anyone hasn't turned it up yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqUm-Zk3_Ws

10/14/2007 7:24:53 AM

Quote :

"You guys are all pathological enablers. Seriously. I can't even believe you exist."

10/14/2007 8:20:54 AM

I will say, that based on the video the manager's boyfriend obviously took advantage of a very gullible girl. As far as the sexual assault conviction, the only two things that would seem to make it legally justified would be a) the manager's boyfriend telling her she is not allowed to leave (implied physical coercion), or b) the girl is considered mentally handicapped from a legal standpoint. If a), one would expect an accompanying kidnapping charge, and I have heard no mention of b) (foolish is not the same as mentally handicapped). Considering the manager's involvement, she certainly has a strong sexual harassment case. I obviously don't know all of the facts of the case, but these are my impressions from a legal standpoint. From a moral standpoint, what the manager and her boyfriend did were completely despicable, and it is amazing that the manager profited by this as well.


From a civil standpoint, this case implies an incredible level of corporate responsibility/accountability for the actions of rogue employees, and for activities that take place within a business location.

10/14/2007 10:32:46 AM

wait, how did the manager profit from this??????

10/14/2007 11:10:52 AM