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"honestly what the hell are you talking about?"

you compared steve phillips to willie randolph and bobby valentine

randolph and valentine are managers

phillips was the general manager

i wasn't trolling

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"how many MLB teams could you buy with that $?"

probably all the teams not in new york, chicago, or los angeles

11/2/2007 11:27:20 PM

i know, but i meant was to compare their personalities and winning styles while they where there. my bad, thats what i was trying to get across. Randolph's teams collapse under no pressure, bobby v's teams were train wrecks, but they both still had more class and smarts than Phillips.

my apologizes man.

11/3/2007 9:47:13 AM

couldnt the mets ss move to 2nd and let wright go to ss and arod go to 3rd?

11/3/2007 10:21:51 AM

Whatever team gets A-Rod and he gets something like $350 million, doesn't matter what team it's for, it could be the Red Sox, that team will have a huge financial hole and they will not win a World Series as long as he is paid that amount of money.

This has nothing to deal with "ability to pay", it's just when you commit that amount of resources to one player, you are taking away from the resources to pay the other 24, 8 of which are required to start (9 if you're in the AL), and then on top of that add in 5 more players for an effective pitching rotation and bullpen. And that means those players are going to be worse because they'll be paid less money. The Yankees and Red Sox and Cubs have salary caps, it's just one they set for themselves privately.

Unless it's a pitcher, one player cannot singlehandedly win baseball games, let alone a World Series.

So if you're a Yankees fan, you should cheer for A-Rod to go to the Red Sox.

[Edited on November 3, 2007 at 10:39 AM. Reason : /]

11/3/2007 10:36:30 AM

A-Rod has received his first offer from a team. It's going to be hard to top it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3090231

11/3/2007 1:45:07 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/14/2007-11-14_yankees_look_to_bring_arod_back__on_thei.html


Breaking News: A-rod may fire scott boras and re-sign with the Yankees

11/14/2007 10:47:25 AM

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"Toledo created a Hall of Fame plaque of Rodriguez wearing a Mud Hens hat and sent a letter to his agent, Scott Boras. The deal stipulates that Rodriguez will have to compete for a spot with Toledo third basemen Mike Hessman, the league's most valuable player last season. "Would your client be willing to play a different position?" the letter asked."

hahahah. nice to see people having a sense of humor.

11/14/2007 10:52:46 AM

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""We will not negotiate with Scott Boras," a Yankees source said. "He cannot be in the room.""

it's amazing that so many teams have adopted this sentiment

11/14/2007 3:31:29 PM

WFAN reported 10 year, $275M. Boras fired... we'll see if this is confirmed.

11/14/2007 4:51:10 PM

Wow...what a turnaround.

^That's a reported deal in place? Or just a report of the offer being discussed?

11/14/2007 6:06:17 PM

damn, they just said 10 year 220 mil.......wtf

11/14/2007 11:54:19 PM

How in the world can you rationalize A Rod being worth more than 20m a year? He's got two seasons of MVP like #s left, max, and then, the dreaded age factor comes into play. He's going to be worth 20M for the next two years, no more, and then worth 10-15 to finish out the last 5 seasons of his productive career. I do understand why he opted out though, because if he stayed the last 3 years on his ten year deal, he'd be lucky to get A) a long term deal when he's 35 and B) more than 16-17M when he is 35. there's just a right way and a wrong way to opt out and Boras is a poison to owners.

11/15/2007 12:05:48 AM

He has more than 2 years at this level. he doesn't have 10, but you could argue he's still getting better as a hitter over the last few years. I'm not sure he is worth much more than 20 million a year. Logic says that he is playing much better than when he scored the 252 million contract and that was years ago. So he should probably be paid more. I think this just demonstrates how much Texas overpaid back then. You're right though, A Rod should be pleased with the length of this offer.

11/15/2007 12:09:15 AM

he's only 31, he made 22 million or so this year and this was his best season ever

so you're saying he's peaked? he's worth at least 22 million next year and will probably be worth as much for the next five years

you also have to factor in the inflation of market value over the coming years -- it's absolutely moronic to think he would settle for 10-15 million in three years

11/15/2007 12:10:40 AM

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"he's only 31"

32, and will be 33 right after the all star break in July. Not to nitpick, but everyday past 30 is bad for professional athletes, more so for the NFL, but any sport to a degree.

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"so you're saying he's peaked?"

He hasn't anythinged, great players have to do something in October to set a standard, sort of like pitchers who come in and don't get an out but give up a run, they have no ERA, same with A rod, he's done nothing in October of note so we can't even talk about him having diminished skills, which he does not right now mechanically, but I think 35 and beyond will treat him unkindly.

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"you also have to factor in the inflation of market value over the coming years"

obviously, but I'm saying that if he had completed his ten year deal, he'd be 35 and looking to negotiate long term at 35. Who wants to sign a 35 year old position player with zero October value to a longterm 20+M deal (assume your inflation/market value)????? Like I said, I fully understand his reason to opt out, even if he gets a new 10 year 20M a year (taking a pay cut for three years of 5m so 15 M total) he would more than make that up in the final 7 years of his new deal in my opinion. Just don't use Boras. no one has a crystal ball, but if he can get a 10 year deal and 20M, he should take that and run.

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"So he should probably be paid more."

He was 25 when he signed that deal, I'm sure Texas anticipated his play would be better. He's now 32, I don't know how you can expect his next 7 years to be as good as his previous 7 when the time span will be 32-39 versus 25-32, but hen again, baseball does pay you backwards as opposed to other sports.

[Edited on November 15, 2007 at 12:39 AM. Reason : .]

11/15/2007 12:27:59 AM

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"great players have to do something in October to set a standard"

they don't have to do something in october to get paid, though

and that's what this thread is about, not the a-rod legacy

11/15/2007 1:24:59 AM

so what do you think happens with him ernie?

11/15/2007 3:16:53 AM

On behalf of all NY'ers, I'd like to say welcome back Alex

11/15/2007 1:42:04 PM

Always Loved the guy Glad your in Pinstripes Alex

11/15/2007 2:22:17 PM

New Yorkers love him now.....then hate him again in October

11/15/2007 2:23:03 PM

"Alex Rodriguez agrees to outline of deal with Yankees"

11/15/2007 6:55:07 PM

10 years, 275 mil

11/15/2007 6:56:39 PM

so is it true that he fired Boras? Cause that would be hilarious

and I agree:

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"New Yorkers love him now.....then hate him again in October"

11/15/2007 8:01:01 PM

i don't think he fired boras, he just negotiated without him

which, in effect, is the same as firing him

i don't get it but boras is a choad

11/15/2007 8:20:11 PM

Well I think I read somewhere that doing the deal without his agent is in voilation of the players union agreement with the owners. ???

11/15/2007 8:43:16 PM

^11. Obviously, players hit better when they get older. Look at Barry Bonds. 36-39 were the best of his career.

But really, I don't want him on the Yankees. I want them to lose like 90 games, and with him coming back they're not getting as much worse as I thought they were going to.

11/15/2007 11:29:56 PM

Get out of this thread n00b

11/15/2007 11:44:36 PM

^ no. It would be a violation if the Yankees didn't allow it. I don't know what happens if A-Rod doesn't allow it. Apparently nothing?

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"The Yankees will be in violation of baseball's collective-bargaining agreement if they exclude agent Scott Boras from their negotiations with his client, Alex Rodriguez. "That clearly is a violation of the Basic Agreement," Michael Weiner, the general counsel of the players' union, told FOXSports.com on Wednesday. "Once a player designates an agent, a club cannot refuse to meet with that agent." Rodriguez, a free agent, is again discussing a contract with the Yankees, according to the New York Daily News. The team wants to bypass Boras in the negotiations, the Daily News says. "We will not negotiate with Scott Boras," a Yankees source told the paper. "He cannot be in the room." However, Yankees officials likely know that they cannot exclude Boras, sources say. The Yankees can avoid Boras only if Rodriguez fires the agent and chooses either to represent himself or pick another representative. Rodriguez gives no indication that he is ready to fire his longtime agent. "

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7446572

11/16/2007 2:31:02 AM

So is Boras ARod's agent right now? The Yankees refused to talk to him and evidently ARod has made a deal wtih the Yankees... unless Boras was under contract with ARod no matter what, it sounds like the deal was made without Boras.

11/16/2007 9:58:12 AM

So it has nothing to do with a-rod per se, but Kenny Rogers fired Boras recently also...

I don't mind players getting paid, I'd rather it go to them than the owners; or actually I'd rather it go to lower ticket and food prices, but anyways... I wouldn't mind seeing Boras out of sports. I know he has countless other big names, and makes god knows what money, but he's a prick.

That is all.

11/17/2007 3:04:11 AM

I read a few days ago (I think it was on espn) that even though Boras was not part of the negotiations, he was technically called a "consultant" will get approximately $14 million as part of the contract.

11/17/2007 9:22:44 AM