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"its not dumb...its fun. You would think Shrike put in many fanboy hours developing the thing."

Dude, you wanna just have sex and get it over with? My place or yours? I volunteer to pitch.

10/17/2007 1:18:18 PM

media extender is kinda cool too.

i want a ps3 for hd audio though for blu-ray.
on a completely separate note i'm assuming it can play mp3s from my pc too right?

10/17/2007 1:27:22 PM

^^tired of catching already?

10/17/2007 1:33:36 PM

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"I wonder how much companies waste buying their employees stupidly over-configured computers."

Well the one I have now is stupidly under-configured.

But you are right. Won't be bothering me when I'm watching 300 in HD though

10/17/2007 2:19:10 PM

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"This doesn't apply to people who want to watch movies that are only available on Blu-ray. Like, I dunno, the Spider-man or POTC movies."

ROFL

SPIDER MAN?

ARE YOU BEING SERIOUS OR NOT


(IM OBVIOUSLY BEING SARCASTIC)

OK MAYBE NOT

10/17/2007 6:37:36 PM

Everyone chill out. I am interested only in true hi-fi. I'm not going to watch movies on a freaking console. Honestly. No class.

The thread was about which format whose player I was going to buy. It was not intended to be a springboard for this debate.

10/17/2007 6:55:51 PM

LG makes one: ($750)
http://www.beachcamera.com/shop/basket.aspx?sku=LGBH100&act=add&sks=LGBH100,

10/17/2007 7:16:26 PM

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"The thread was about which format whose player I was going to buy. It was not intended to be a springboard for this debate."

If you're not going to use a console and don't have any crazy obsession with Spider-man 3 or Pirates of the Carribean, get HD DVD because the cost of entry is cheaper.

People bring up the PS3 because if you want a Blu-ray player, there's no reason to not own one. It's just as good as the standalone Blu-ray player while being the same cost (cheaper soon) and does more than just play movies for it's pricetag.

10/17/2007 8:53:32 PM

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"If you're not going to use a console and don't have any crazy obsession with Spider-man 3 or Pirates of the Carribean"

Or any other movie from Fox, Sony, Disney, or Lions Gate......

10/17/2007 11:06:29 PM

you bitch so much about how people say games on the PS3 suck and that its all subjective. Well guess what...HDDVD has tons of awesome movies that don't suck. Blu Ray has a few too but Transformers > Spider man or Pirates.

10/17/2007 11:08:40 PM

^

The selection for both is so crappy it is like arguing over penny's.

10/17/2007 11:52:17 PM

^^I never said the selection for HD DVD is crappy. I said that you can't tell someone to get HD DVD if they want to watch movies that are exclusive to Blu-ray.

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"Transformers > Spider man or Pirates."

And that might be the dumbest thing you've said in this entire thread. One blockbuster is greater than 6, almost all of which were reviewed better than Transformers?

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 12:00 AM. Reason : :]

10/17/2007 11:57:51 PM

I would rather watch transformers but I've never seen it.

Spider Man could get a 300 out of 10 in a review and it doesn't make me like it. Review this review that, do you ever actually try to like something for yourself first?

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 8:30 AM. Reason : i do wish apocolytpo(sp) was on hd-dvd instead of bluray, go look up some reviews to validate im dmb]

10/18/2007 8:27:26 AM

Of course personal taste comes into play, but saying HD DVD > Blu-ray because of 1 (Michael Bay) movie is pretty silly. Something like, The Bourne movies + Batman Begins + Transformers > POTC and Spidey would have fine. At that point, pick the format with those movies you want to watch (which is what I've been saying all along). And honestly, it's not January 2007 anymore, the whole "both formats have a crap library" argument doesn't hold water anymore.

10/18/2007 8:53:29 AM

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"^^I never said the selection for HD DVD is crappy. I said that you can't tell someone to get HD DVD if they want to watch movies that are exclusive to Blu-ray."

And to say buy blu-ray to someone who wants to watch movies exclusive to HD DVD is dumb.

And I only mentioned Transformers > POTC and Spiderman because it is a lot better. Its way more entertaining. It was funny. Full of action. I don't care what rotten tomatoes says about a movie. I never go by what the critics say because I'm perfectly capable of forming my own opinion about something. I'm not a mindless sheep with a PS3.

And I didn't even have to mention Bourne or Batman because those are obviously better choices then Spiderman or PoTC. Stating the obvious is dumb.

The movie you should pull out of your hat is Casino Royale. Now thats a title worth buying a Blu-Ray player for.

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 9:07 AM. Reason : ..]

10/18/2007 9:07:05 AM

^You're right, your just a run of the mill mindless sheep, and a troll

10/18/2007 9:14:27 AM

you're.

And I have IE in HD. Great movie.

10/18/2007 9:39:40 AM

Cool graph, they should have marked the ps3 launch date on it, because less than a month after ps3 launch (Nov 17) blu-ray breaks even with and overtakes HDDVD and never looked back

10/18/2007 10:00:29 AM

All the Die Hard movies coming out in a month for Bluray is enough for me...

Also, the fact that Transformers, one of the biggest movies for HD-DVD, doesn't have enough space on the disc for Dolby True HD has me pretty worried about the format. I mean, that is total trash. Of course not only that but uncompressed PCM is so much better and looks like from here on out most of the Bluray releases will have high end audio like this.

10/18/2007 10:20:23 AM

^^Honestly, looking at a chart like that is problematic because it doesn't show actual sales volume. Adding all Blu-ray and HD DVD sales combined, they come out to around ~1.2% of the overall home video market. For example, 300 on DVD sold more copies in it's first week than combined total sales of every HD DVD and Blu-ray since January. Sure, 66% to 33% looks cool, but at the end of the day, the difference is a few hundred thousand units sold. Which is why I said you can't really base your decision on who you think is going to eventually win, as any number of events could turn the tide in either direction over night, just go buy the format with the movies you want to watch.

10/18/2007 10:30:50 AM

Whoever puts more players in peoples homes for less will eventually win.

Sony just has the PS3 going for them...while people like us know that the PS3 makes an excellent less expensive player...the majority of the people who would buy HD stuff will see it as a console. Very much like this thread author. "I don't want a console, i want to stick with hi-fi" even though the console is just as good if not better than any stand-alone player.

in other words...people will see a stand alone 'hi-fi' player cheaper with HD-DVD.

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 10:37 AM. Reason : ...]

10/18/2007 10:36:55 AM

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"Also, the fact that Transformers, one of the biggest movies for HD-DVD, doesn't have enough space on the disc for Dolby True HD has me pretty worried about the format. I mean, that is total trash. Of course not only that but uncompressed PCM is so much better and looks like from here on out most of the Bluray releases will have high end audio like this."

You do realize that future HD DVDs will have 3 layers just like future Blu-ray movies will, right? Disc size concerns aren't going to be particularly valid in the future. It's a shame that Transformers doesn't have it, but at the end of the day I'm not going to be crushed that the digital sound effect used for Optimus Prime transforming won't be lossless. That's just silly.

10/18/2007 10:55:50 AM

^^The guy who started this thread is the same guy who wanted a $2000 subwoofer. You're telling me people like him will decide the outcome of this war? Really? The cheap Toshiba players aren't even "hi-fi", they are limited to 1080i and have crap audio outputs. The difference in price isn't nearly as large when you compare players with similar features.

10/18/2007 10:58:41 AM

^the consumers with money to buy stuff are the ones who decide the out come. What makes life easier for Suzy home maker and billy bob redneck is the vast majority of consumers. Most people don't know the difference between interlaced and progressive or True HD audio and DTS/THX certifications etc....they don't care about that shit.

10/18/2007 11:12:16 AM

keep in mind hddvd player sales are still higher than blu-ray

all that graph proves is that hd dvd people have netflix/blockbuster subscriptions

10/18/2007 11:37:48 AM

^standalone players.

Ever since PS3 arrived, Blu-Ray players have been outselling hd-dvd players by a large margin.

And that, really, is what's going to matter. When the unwashed masses suddenly realize that a hi-def movie format is available, a large chunk of them will already have a Blu-Ray player in their homes.

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 1:01 PM. Reason : d]

10/18/2007 1:00:04 PM

i told my cousin about hd dvds and he was like 'wtf is that i thought a dvd was a dvd', lol

10/18/2007 1:05:01 PM

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"Honestly, looking at a chart like that is problematic because it doesn't show actual sales volume. Adding all Blu-ray and HD DVD sales combined, they come out to around ~1.2% of the overall home video market. For example, 300 on DVD sold more copies in it's first week than combined total sales of every HD DVD and Blu-ray since January. Sure, 66% to 33% looks cool, but at the end of the day, the difference is a few hundred thousand units sold. Which is why I said you can't really base your decision on who you think is going to eventually win, as any number of events could turn the tide in either direction over night, just go buy the format with the movies you want to watch."

In the first week, the 300 sold 250,000 across both formats. 165,000 on Blu-ray and 85,000 on HD DVD.

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"all that graph proves is that hd dvd people have netflix/blockbuster subscriptions"

People with Blockbuster subscriptions do not own HD DVD players.

The graph tells a publisher that he will sell more copies of a Blu-ray format than he will an HD DVD format, and would be more inclined to go with the former. However, as Paramount has shown us, publishers are always open to bribery.

10/18/2007 1:24:56 PM

^That's basically my point. At the moment, this war isn't being fought by the consumer. It's a fight between giant corporations who are scrambling to secure exclusive deals with movie studios and retail stores. The consumer isn't even being given the choice. They are being forced to buy whichever format has the movies they want or the format that is easiest to rent/buy at their local retail stores.

Meanwhile, the majority of consumers don't even give a shit. 300 sold 5 million copies on bog standard DVD in it's first week. A paltry difference of 80k between the HD DVD and Blu-ray versions doesn't seem like a big deal compared to that.

10/18/2007 1:44:33 PM

The question this thread is trying to answer is, for your average consumer who has already made the decision to buy a high definition player, which format player should he buy?



Based on the physical numbers presented in this thread, which is the logical decision?

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

10/18/2007 1:45:22 PM

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"People with Blockbuster subscriptions do not own HD DVD players."

Blockbuster still distributes HD DVDs via Blockbuster Online.

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"Based on the physical numbers presented in this thread, which is the logical decision?"

Neither.

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 1:59 PM. Reason : .]

10/18/2007 1:58:42 PM

Mom and Pop aren't going to go out and buy a PS3. They'll buy a stand alone player and which ever is 'cheaper' is what they will most likely buy. Hi-def movies is still [new] so it hasn't really caught on yet. The nerds and people who want the best of the best are the ones with hi-def movies/players. Which is a small percentage...as 300 has shown us.

10/18/2007 2:07:47 PM

I think at this point, basing your decision solely on who you think is going to win the format war would be extremely premature. Obviously, I would recommend for that person to buy Blu-ray because I believe it is the superior format and since I've already invested in it, would like to see it succeed. However, I'm not going to tell someone who wants to watch Transformers in HD to buy a Blu-ray player just because "it's winning", that would be disingenuous. Given how low the total sales volume of HD media is, an overall winner is no more likely than a scenario where both formats coexist indefinitely, or both fail.

10/18/2007 2:12:57 PM

you say its the superior format because you own a PS3. However, nothing makes it better or worse than HD DVD. HD DVD as stein said will have higher capacity available which is its only short coming. Plus the interactive menu system that lets you navigate through it without interrupting the movie is pretty sweet. (not sure if blu ray does that or not)

both discs do 1080p

so where exactly is the 'superiority' coming from except for the fact that you're a Sony die hard fan boy?

10/18/2007 2:19:07 PM

Do DVD and VHS coexist? There are players that will play both formats, but it is well understood that the higher-capacity of the two is superior.

10/18/2007 4:39:43 PM

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"Do DVD and VHS coexist? There are players that will play both formats, but it is well understood that the higher-capacity of the two is superior."

Yeah man, capacity is the only reason.

10/18/2007 4:42:29 PM

i dont get how blue ray is in the lead when the ps3 came out so long after the xbox360

10/18/2007 4:43:25 PM

if Microsoft would have bundled hd-dvd in ANY of the 360 releases it wouldn't be... but they didn't

i'm honestly not biased i'll have both at some point in time i just think people are jumping to conclusions and i would rather the m$ tards get my money then the $ony tards.
mainly because m$ keeps alot of its capitol here rather than japan.

and this battle is by no means finished.
also hd-dvds can be ripped to blu-ray so.... if one needs to migrate a library over... it is possible

10/18/2007 5:04:21 PM

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"the higher-capacity of the two is superior."

Do you not read? higher-capacity is not an issue with HD DVD in the future. I'm sure you read that in this thread more than once. How you chose to ignore it is beyond me.

10/18/2007 5:10:13 PM

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"The cheap Toshiba players aren't even "hi-fi", they are limited to 1080i and have crap audio outputs. The difference in price isn't nearly as large when you compare players with similar features."

YOU CANT COMPARE THEM BECAUSE SONY WONT FUCKING MAKE A "NON-HIFI" VERSION

YOU COULDN'T TELL 1080I FROM 1080P IF YOU'RE LIFE DEPENDED ON IT

WE HAVE TO POINT OUT DIGITAL PROJECTORS AT MOVIE THEATERS TO YOU THAT LOOK LIKE THEY ARE SHINING THROUGH CHICKEN MESH / FLY SWATTERS (I'VE MADE SHITTY PROJECTIONS I KNOW WHAT CHICKEN MESH LOOKS LIKE, MAYBE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE?)

!!!!one!!!111one!!111

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 6:42 PM. Reason : i would love a 200$ spdif output. lossless audio HAHAHA, NIGGA I HAVE NO REAR CHANNELS]

10/18/2007 6:35:52 PM

^ sometimes your posts scare me...like, i see this person yelling at the screen on the other end of teh intarweb...i don't disagree, or anything, but the caps make me nervous

10/18/2007 6:42:14 PM

hahahahahah

I think shrike summed it up best with the following post:

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"This is what happens when a company comes out with something nice that people want but can't afford "

because there is no way and hell i can afford a ps3, and neither can golovko,

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 6:46 PM. Reason : 400$ jesus christ , where are we going to get that kind of money]

10/18/2007 6:44:43 PM

$400???? shit i might have to sell my car for that

10/18/2007 7:45:50 PM

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"$400???? shit i might have to sell my cars for that "

10/18/2007 8:56:55 PM

http://www.ncixus.com/products/index.php?sku=26553

HD/bluray/DVD SATA burner for $285

10/19/2007 8:04:03 AM

You do realize it only burns in DVD and is just a BD/HD-DVD reader, right? The way you listed it seems like it burns all three.

10/19/2007 8:10:40 AM

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"higher-capacity is not an issue with HD DVD in the future"

I love how you'd rather try to predict the future than look at the state of things right now... JUST THIS WEEK Transformers (arguably HD-DVD's biggest release to date) had to CUT OUT CONTENT to get it to fit on a disc.

But no, that isn't a problem because "in the future, HD-DVDs will be able to store more!!"

Blu-Ray will always have the upper hand when it comes to storage capacity.

10/19/2007 11:08:46 AM

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"I love how you'd rather try to predict the future than look at the state of things right now... JUST THIS WEEK Transformers (arguably HD-DVD's biggest release to date) had to CUT OUT CONTENT to get it to fit on a disc. But no, that isn't a problem because "in the future, HD-DVDs will be able to store more!!""

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9776981-1.html

The "current state of things" leaves us with Blu-ray: 50GB, HD DVD: 51 GB

So maybe instead of blaming the format you should be blaming the movie studios? Maybe philihp was right... maybe the higher capacity format is better

[Edited on October 19, 2007 at 12:06 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2007 12:04:29 PM

'm curious, will the 3-layer HD DVDs of the future require people to buy another HD DVD player?


PS
"Of course, the smile might be wiped from HD DVD's face if Sony announces a 100GB disc in the near future." from the article sounds interesting.

[Edited on October 19, 2007 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2007 12:07:48 PM

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"i'm curious, will the 3-layer HD DVDs of the future require people to buy another HD DVD player?"

It's seriously like the third paragraph in that article, man.

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"The good news is that the 51GB discs should play in all HD DVD players currently on the market."

10/19/2007 12:11:14 PM