Page 3 says please cut the religion talk.

this thread simply asks if you think its right.

the man rammed the intruders car, which pinned the intruder against the fence.

that is different than the guy ramming the actual intruder into the fence.

AND NO ONE IS TRYING TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THEY ARE HAPPY HE DIED.
i am just not sad that the thief got what was coming.

11/13/2007 8:30:11 AM

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"Of course the grandmother's brain doesnt register any responsiblity on the part of her grandson"

For all you know she could have been trying to get through to her grandson before all this shit went down. You people love to assume shit about their families.

11/13/2007 8:36:20 AM

if you break into my house in the middle of the night and i see you grabbing the big screen; you are getting face full of the Saturday Night Special

11/13/2007 11:16:54 AM

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"I'm more confused about how anybody interpreted this as a religious debate"

uh....probably because you kept bringing religion up over and over again for some dumbass reason

11/13/2007 11:20:15 AM

How do you not realize the context or purpose of what I said?

Is it really possible you don't understand? I'm having a hard time believing you're not trolling me.

11/13/2007 1:46:43 PM

i had a hard time believing you would come into this thread and have all your first posts be

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"I'm just curious -- ^ you're not a Christian, are you?"

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"So are you a Christian or not?"

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"It seems like a really easy question to answer, dude."

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"If I were to guess, you're probably a Christian who's clueless about Christ"

didnt seem like you were really talking about the story in the thread...seems like you were trying to turn this thread into a religious debate...perhaps i was wrong

11/13/2007 1:51:16 PM

Shin, I can only go by what the grandmother said. And the jist of it was that her boy was dead and it was THIS mans fault, not that of her grandson. So yeah, Its a pretty safe assumption.

11/13/2007 2:20:46 PM

as someone who has been vicitimized recently by a break in i support the actions of John Reid and wish i could do the same to the people who stole from me

11/13/2007 2:33:12 PM

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"didnt seem like you were really talking about the story in the thread...seems like you were trying to turn this thread into a religious debate...perhaps i was wrong"

Yeah you're wrong actually. I was merely curious of he was your typical conservative Christian -- they seem to have a universal lack of respect for life once it leaves the womb.

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"as someone who has been vicitimized recently by a break in i support the actions of John Reid and wish i could do the same to the people who stole from me"

11/13/2007 2:44:39 PM

^Then I guess It would surprise you to know Im prochoice, but with restrictions.

11/13/2007 2:58:38 PM

i like how christians and hard-core conservatives are very strategically selective on who they do not mind killing

11/13/2007 3:25:36 PM

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"I can only go by what the grandmother said. And the jist of it was that her boy was dead and it was THIS mans fault, not that of her grandson. So yeah, Its a pretty safe assumption."

She could very easily believe the man went too far AND, had he not been killed, would've given her grandson hell for committing another crime.

11/13/2007 3:26:51 PM

^its a given that she thinks the man went too far. What she doesnt mention is that her grandson did anything wrong.

11/13/2007 3:32:09 PM

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"i like how christians and hard-core conservatives are very strategically selective on who they do not mind killing"

just to play devil's advocate (since i'm not a christian or a hard-core conservative)...what groups arent strategically selective about who they don't mind killing?

11/13/2007 3:41:26 PM

^ not to answer, but to counter that - what other group besides Christians preach that unless you play by their rules, you are damned to eternity in hell, but also rarely and selectively follow the rules themselves?

11/13/2007 3:43:59 PM

well right off hand i've heard of, and know a few, muslims who drink and smoke...thats kind of the same thing right...ie convert to Islam, Allah is the greatest...oh yeah lets drink alcohol even though its forbidden in the Quran

there are "Cheasters" (spelling?) in every religion

11/13/2007 3:46:20 PM

we could quibble about details all day (i fully agree, all religions are fully of hypocrites and inconsistencies), but I would think that a person's views on the killing of other people would rank pretty damned high in the order of "important religious views", at least more so than smoking, drinking, gambling, dancing, etc.


Not to mention, Christians in particular are generally the topic in TSB because I believe the overwhelming majority of religious people who post here are Christians.

[Edited on November 13, 2007 at 3:54 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2007 3:49:02 PM

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"not to answer, but to counter that - what other group besides Christians preach that unless you play by their rules, you are damned to eternity in hell, but also rarely and selectively follow the rules themselves?"

Ummmmm, all of them? Christianity seems to be the primary offender in the United States, but that is simply because it is the dominant religion in the United States. I can assure you, this hypocrisy extends all over the world, it is quite human and no one religion has a monopoly on it.

"Virtute enim ipsa non tam multi praediti esse quam videri volunt" (Many are not so endowed with virtue as they wish to seem).

11/13/2007 3:55:00 PM

^ see ^^

11/13/2007 3:56:59 PM

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"I would think that a person's views on the killing of other people would rank pretty damned high in the order of "important religious views", at least more so than smoking, drinking, gambling, dancing, etc"

sure but, to stick to my example of muslims, there are plenty of muslims that think anyone who doesnt convert to islam will essentially burn in hell...quite similar in that respect to the christians you speak of...the drinking and smoking thing was just something i was personally familiar with by knowing muslims who partied a little bit

so i dont really see the difference, or how christians are "so much worse" than muslims as far as their selective opinions on killing

11/13/2007 3:57:09 PM

Honest question, who said they were "so much worse"? Just trying to figure out your logic.

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"TreeTwista10 Same name since 01 58214 Posts user info edit post SHUT YOUR FAT FAGGOT MOUTH nobody is talking to you troll 11/13/2007 4:03:55 PM"

So you don't change your post.

11/13/2007 4:02:56 PM

SHUT YOUR FAT FAGGOT MOUTH nobody is talking to you troll

11/13/2007 4:03:55 PM

Here we go again. I don't even think Chance is antagonizing you this time, Twista -- why not just answer his question?

11/13/2007 7:01:50 PM

Sucks he had to die, but it was his own fault.

Ried is guilty of nothing.

11/14/2007 12:39:55 PM

You guys hear about the car thief that ran from the cops and got eaten by an alligator?

hahah, just so you know the one that actually stopped when told to by police is in jail and alive. For the record I also dont feel bad about this genius either.

11/14/2007 2:27:55 PM

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"Grand Jury to Hear Pinned Intruder Case John Reid Posted: Today at 11:37 a.m. Updated: 17 minutes ago Selma — Prosecutors will send a case to the grand jury to determine whether a Selma man should face charges for allegedly pinning a suspected thief between a car and a fence and killing him. District Attorney Susan Doyle said Tuesday that because of the unusual facts of the case and the complex legal issues involved, she thought it was best for the grand jury to decide whether John Reid should face criminal charges. "Based upon the case, as I've reviewed it, there is no better body … to review this case and consider all the evidence and determine collectively whether the homeowner's actions in this case rose to the level of a crime or whether they were, in fact, justified under the law," Doyle said. The grand jury convenes Dec. 10, when Doyle expects to present the case. Sheriff's investigators said Reid pulled into the driveway of his home as two men were trying to leave his residence on Nov. 8. He told authorities he tried to block their path with his pickup truck and mistakenly hit the gas pedal as Cornelius Brown tried to get out of the car and run. Brown, whose head was pinned, was taken to Duke University Hospital, where he died the next morning. Another man, Mark Ray McNair, 46, of Dudley, was charged with trespassing and larceny in connection with the incident. Reid said his property had been burglarized three times in recent months and that he had about $6,000 in equipment for his lawn care business on the property. Investigators found a piece of machinery belonging to Reid into the back of the suspects' car. This is not the first time a grand jury has heard a case in which a homeowner has wounded a suspected intruder. Last year, it declined to indict, Randle Holmes, 62, who shot a would-be intruder as the teen drove away in the middle of the night."

11/20/2007 12:54:17 PM

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"District Attorney Susan Doyle said Tuesday that because of the unusual facts of the case and the complex legal issues involved, she thought it was best for the grand jury to decide whether John Reid should face criminal charges. "Based upon the case, as I've reviewed it, there is no better body … to review this case and consider all the evidence and determine collectively whether the homeowner's actions in this case rose to the level of a crime or whether they were, in fact, justified under the law," Doyle said. "

In other words, she believes he committed a crime, she's afraid that by not prosecuting him, it might bite her in the ass come next election, but she's also worried that by prosecuting the case, she'll lose a large part of her voter base because they most likely believe he did nothing wrong. By putting it before a grand jury, she gets to cover her ass either way.

11/20/2007 6:39:03 PM