I have to say I despise THE Ohio State more than the Patriots or Yankees. Regardless of Bill Belichick being a cheating cocky SOB, randy moss a money grubbing cry baby, and the yankees padding up their bullpen to prevent other teams from having the top stars; at least both of these teams have to work hard through the post season in order to make it to the legitimate championship game.

the Ohio State just sucks lots of cock, gets a favorable number vomited out of some retarded computer program (that can be tweaked allowing easy biasing) and some favorable voting by the AP poll.

12/3/2007 2:25:36 PM

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"Upsets like how Illinois beat the Ohio State would allow more parity for the championship game. BCS and the general lack of parody anyway is a main reason i prefer NFL football a lot more then college. In the NFL any team can be a contender for the super bowl one year and be the shittiest team in the conference the next year. "

I dont really understand what you are trying to get at here, I think that the parity in the NCAA is why the BCS looks so bad, any team can lose to another on any given day. If anything I would say that there is more parity in the NCAA than in the NFL. In college, players only play for a school for a limited amount of time, if a school has a bad recruiting season or loses a lot of players to the NFL or graduation they can EASILY go from a top team to a bottom feeder.

Whereas in the NFL there is less room for parity since players sign long term contracts with a particular team and can build a dynasty.

Just because a college team is better at recruiting and can successfully field great players year in and year out (OSU, USC, LSU, etc.), it doesnt mean that the BCS isnt working.


^and that post is just fucking stupid. Ohio State plays just as many games during the season as anyone else, and they do it without taking multiple bye weeks off like most other major programs. It isnt their fault that the Big Ten doesnt have a championship game, they won the games they were supposed to and put themselves in a position to play in the national championship. They were #3 last week in all the polls (with only ONE loss), so when the #1 and #2 teams lose it makes a little bit of sense that they would move up.

quit being a crybaby about it, WVU and Mizzou shouldnt have lost this past weekend.



[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 2:30 PM. Reason : asdf]

12/3/2007 2:26:23 PM

the bcs sucks

also *parity

12/3/2007 2:27:25 PM

I honestly don't get the Ohio State hate. It's not their fault the Big 10 hasn't been very good recently. Tressell seems like he is a classy guy, other than Clarett they haven't had any assholes playing for them and their fanbase is really cool... I've never been treated as well at a road game as I was in Columbus..

They were far, far better than the trash at VTech...

V Ohio State is one of a select few top level programs that will actually go on the road to play elites (SC, Auburn and Texas are a few others). They played at Texas last year, will play at SC next year. The shitty OOC schedule this year was just an abberation.

[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 2:31 PM. Reason : x]

12/3/2007 2:28:31 PM

^look at their OOC schedule...thats why people hate on Ohio State

12/3/2007 2:29:04 PM

there arent a whole lot of teams who have great OOC schedules

12/3/2007 2:33:42 PM

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yes. you're first post was longer than this.

cliffs?

12/3/2007 2:44:07 PM

^ retarded

12/3/2007 2:48:57 PM

Quote :

"there arent a whole lot of teams who have great OOC schedules"

Youngstown State
Akron
Washington
Kent State

Strength of Schedule 75 out of 119

PATHETIC

not that there are a lot of other teams necessarily deserving to play in the title game but Oklahoma was pretty impressive

[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2007 2:50:08 PM

okay, check that, there are lots of other TOP TIER teams that have bad OOC schedules

the cupcake schools have great OOC schedules because their conferences suck and the big schools always schedule cupcakes early in their seasons

12/3/2007 2:54:49 PM

still though...75th out of 119...at least schools like Cal and Tennessee manned up and scheduled each other...here are a few other SOS's for comparison

23. Alabama
24. Kentucky
28. Cal
29. Auburn
30. Florida State
31. Tennessee
38. Missouri
39. Boston College
41. Florida
42. Michigan*
44. Georgia
45. Oregon
48. Connecticut
52. Virginia Tech
53. Wisconsin*
54. Illinois*
57. LSU
60. West Virginia
65. Penn State*
66. Oklahoma
75. Ohio State*
79. Texas
106. Kansas
119. Hawaii

* = Big 10 teams

Entire Big 10:

11. Minnesota (1-10) 0.229
42. Michigan (8-3) 0.074
49. Northwestern (5-6) 0.052
53. Wisconsin (8-3) 0.036
54. Illinois (8-3) 0.035
59. Michigan State (7-5) 0.021
64. Purdue (6-5) 0.007
65. Penn State (8-4) 0.007
67. Indiana (6-5) -0.011
72. Iowa (6-6) -0.037
75. Ohio State (10-1) -0.064

Last in their conference?

btw http://teamrankings.com/ncf/27powerratings.php3

12/3/2007 3:12:33 PM

wow nc state was 6th in SOS

12/3/2007 3:38:00 PM

I mean when you are the team that half of sport journalism sucks ass too, you really have no choice but to create an "easy" schedule that way less people call bullshit b.c you have a good record and earn a spot to the national championship game. Gotta help the media giants the most $$$.

12/3/2007 3:54:49 PM

i'm not reading anything past that first post (which I actually didn't read)

but it will be changed next year

so this thread won't matter anymore

12/3/2007 4:10:32 PM

Quote :

"BCS and the general lack of parody "

12/3/2007 4:21:58 PM

Quote :

"^look at their OOC schedule...thats why people hate on Ohio State"

Their OOC this year was abysmal, but it certainly isn't that way every year. The previous two years they had home and away's with Texas and the next two years they will do the same thing with USC, both almost yearly top ten teams recently. In the recent past Washington would have been a respectable OOC team, and while that doesn't do anything for them this year it's not like they knew washington would be bad this year when they were scheduled.

12/3/2007 4:32:47 PM

maybe next year the NFL will have a NFL SuperBowl Championship Series. How FUN and EXCITING! A computer geek paid by ESPN would create a program that would input the SOS, record, and other various factor to determine the "Official" ranking of every NFL team.

Tournaments are drawn out and boring! You never know when your team could be favored then because of a rainy day blow the entire season with an upset in the 1st round of the post season. Good news with the new system they'll automatically be in the championship game, no post-season upsets to worry about! As an added bonus those of us from america's favorite cities i.e NYC, Chicago, NO may benefit from the voting biases as done in the NCAA as to who "deserves" to be in the super bowl Championship game

12/3/2007 4:34:09 PM

Quote :

""^look at their OOC schedule...thats why people hate on Ohio State""

idiot

12/3/2007 4:38:05 PM

Quote :

"those of us from america's favorite cities i.e NYC, Chicago, NO may benefit from the voting biases as done in the NCAA"

what

12/3/2007 4:40:06 PM

^^^ shut up.

12/3/2007 4:42:12 PM

blow me

12/3/2007 4:47:04 PM

oh wait i get it

he's saying UI is in chicago, which is like saying nc state is in charlotte

and LSU is in new orleans, which is like saying nc state is in atlanta

good call

12/3/2007 4:49:13 PM

i took it as writers' favorites cities would get preference like writers' favorites teams do.

either way it was a bad bad attempt for the simple reason that the only thing the nfl and ncaa have in common is that they play football.

12/3/2007 5:05:50 PM

OH MAN I WISH WE HAD GOT TO SEE MICHIGAN PLAY OHIO STATE FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR

THOSE ARE THE TWO BEST TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT

12/3/2007 5:06:34 PM

THis tool ^^^^^^^ really knows what he is talking about

12/3/2007 5:08:20 PM

Quote :

"either way it was a bad bad attempt for the simple reason that the only thing the nfl and ncaa have in common is that they play football."

I was making fun of the BCS by saying the NFL should use a similar system to say GUARANTEE the PATS a super bowl game b.c they have the best paper numbers during the season and I would hate to see it all go to waste by a "lesser" team pulling an upset in the 1st round of the playoffs.

12/3/2007 5:10:11 PM

^^SUSPEND

[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 5:10 PM. Reason : ^^]

12/3/2007 5:10:19 PM

unless something changes, the OOC schedule for tOSU over the next 5 years is a fucking joke. They don't leave Ohio for most of it, and play nobody legitimate.

The hate comes from the fact that they play a shit schedule, and then ruin the championship game when they come out and get their asses kicked by UF.

They better give LSU a fucking game after their schedule this year and backing into the NC.

12/3/2007 5:13:46 PM

Congrats on sitting at your computer all day and posting from 11am-5pm. Must have many friends!!!

12/3/2007 5:13:55 PM

Quote :

"I was making fun of the BCS by saying the NFL should use a similar system to say GUARANTEE the PATS a super bowl game b.c they have the best paper numbers during the season and I would hate to see it all go to waste by a "lesser" team pulling an upset in the 1st round of the playoffs."

yes, i grasp this. but the nfl is not the same at all as the ncaa, you can't hypothetically apply the bcs to the nfl as evidence that the bcs needs changing.

[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 5:17 PM. Reason : ^ that one never gets old.]

12/3/2007 5:16:35 PM

I didn't read much of this, but I skimmed it to find if people were mentioning SOS you did. I think this is the key that is breaking the BCS these days, de-emphasizing it. Surely they can look at the past 5 years...hell, as far back as they really want to go, and come up with a model that has a 90%, 95%, 98%...whatever...confidence metric that the best 2 teams are the ones that get to play in the NC.

And yes, there may very well be some situations where there are 3 teams that could be picked, but at least then the BCS folks can say look...the model is pretty damn good over the past 30-50 years and it's just tough that your team is the one that got screwed.

12/3/2007 5:21:13 PM

wolfpacker11

Quote :

"Congrats on sitting at your computer all day and posting from 11am-5pm. Must have many friends on having an office job with computer access, good pay, and requiring a college degree. Sucks for me that my job involves blue collar labor with no future except for my trailor park home and fat wife."

12/3/2007 5:42:46 PM

Quote :

"I was making fun of the BCS by saying the NFL should use a similar system to say GUARANTEE the PATS a super bowl game b.c they have the best paper numbers during the season and I would hate to see it all go to waste by a "lesser" team pulling an upset in the 1st round of the playoffs."

well maybe the patriots will lose in the 2nd to last game of the season to a "lesser", OH THE PARITY

12/3/2007 5:43:13 PM

well the patriots this year is an anomaly. a team being as dominant as the pats is not a yearly occurance

12/3/2007 5:52:07 PM

^it usually is in college

12/3/2007 5:56:41 PM

Quote :

"What makes these programs suck is a lack of commitment to the sport by the AD and boosters. For example, UConn has always had huge BBall support but just recently got off their ass in football."

It's a shame that UConn has actually done something with their football program, idiot. You do realize that UConn recently moved up to I-A, right?

Quote :

""Monopolistic bullshit" did not stop Wake Forest from succeeding and does not prevent programs like Duke, Baylor, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Iowa State, Ole Miss, etc. from succeeding and does not automatically make historic programs like Notre Dame, Syracuse, Miami, and Washington succeed."

You'll note that the first set of teams you mentioned are ALL in BCS conferences... Good work, chief. And no, the bullshit won't prevent the Boise State's from having a good YEAR, but it WILL prevent them from building their programs into legitimate powers. You know, kind of like it has done for quite a while now

Quote :

"If you are in a BCS conference and you repeatedly flounder at the bottom then you get bumped out and someone from CUSA, WAC, etc. gets bumped in."

Like Duke, right?

12/3/2007 6:26:59 PM

good. i hate boise state. blue fields suck.

12/3/2007 6:33:55 PM

Quote :

"unless something changes, the OOC schedule for tOSU over the next 5 years is a fucking joke."

Did you even look at their OOC schedule for the next 5 years before posting that?

2008-2009: USC
2010-2011: Miami
2012-2013: Cal
2014-2015: Va Tech
2016-2017: Oklahoma

Every "big" team usually tries to schedule one marquee OOC opponent and then some cupcakes. With the exception of Miami I think you'd agree that every one of those is a good team.

12/3/2007 6:47:34 PM

Those won't stay like that, they never do. Furthermore, lemme guess, those games come in the first 1-3 games of the season, where 1 loss doesn't kill a NC chance?

12/3/2007 7:13:27 PM

Quote :

"lemme guess, those games come in the first 1-3 games of the season"

probably

since that's when the vast majority of non-conference games are scheduled for every team in the nation

aside from regular rivalry games (gt/georgia, the florida schools, etc.)

[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 7:15 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2007 7:14:39 PM

^^ now you're getting picky about when in the season they schedule teams like usc, oklahoma and va tech?

12/3/2007 7:17:14 PM

the big ten is typically a pretty strong conference (not as good as sec obviously, but pretty strong). plus factor in that OOC schedules are made several years in advance, so its hard to foresee your conference foes sucking. plus, at the rate parity is infecting college football, a pansy like akron could turn into a bcs buster almost overnight (see rutgers, usf, louisville, cincinnati, uconn). i can't really fault them for scheduling cupcakes.

that said, i still hate them

12/3/2007 7:17:24 PM

Quote :

"It's a shame that UConn has actually done something with their football program, idiot. You do realize that UConn recently moved up to I-A, right?"

To be fair to whoever said that, UConn is a unique situation. Their athletic program basically redefined the entire school. UConn2000 along with the latest redevelopment plan was made possible nearly solely by the athletic program. The UConn basketball teams have made the entire university better. It is now the #1 public university in New England and the #64 university in the entire country (where previously it was never in the Top 100) via US News & World Reports.

Because of this and the wealth of the Connecticut based alums, the state has not been reluctant to dump loads of $$$$ into the athletic, and more specifically, the football program. The state paid for all the infrastructure and the actual stadium itself in E. Hartford... The new football complex/athletic studies building was paid entirely by CT based donors.

Most schools wouldn't be able to do that in such a short time. There simply isn't a) a big enough donor pool at a lot of private universities to make that happen; and b) a state willing spend so much on behalf of the athletic department.

Quote :

"Those won't stay like that, they never do."

I'm sort of interested in why you would say that? There haven't been, to my knowledge, any instances of the absolute elite programs backing out of marquee games. Yeah, Louisville got out of us and we got out of a game with... I think UConn... but that was under special circumstances (conference realignment)...

[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 7:37 PM. Reason : x]

12/3/2007 7:33:02 PM

Quote :

"^^ now you're getting picky about when in the season they schedule teams like usc, oklahoma and va tech?"

seriously...

12/3/2007 7:37:23 PM

Quote :

"^^ now you're getting picky about when in the season they schedule teams like usc, oklahoma and va tech?"

Don't say "I'm getting picky". I haven't followed this thread closely and was the one trying to make a point about their OOC schedule being weak. I was just pointing out that tOSU isn't going to be dumb and schedule a real team late in the year to interfere with their well rehearsed plan (and others may have mentioned it) which is to usually play a soft OOC (one "big" power still doesn't mean it isn't soft), beat the only team they need to (usually UM), thwart the current year Big Ten team doing slightly better than the others (from MSU, IU, WU, PSU, etc) if they have to play them at all, and avoid a conference championship game which could ruin everything (ask Mizzou how they feel about that?).

The flip side of that is, in a year like this where they don't look like the clear cut deserving team, beating a final year top 5/10 early in the year (and convincingly) would make the decision more clear. But under the current BCS, it's just better to leave that game unplayed, or worst case not have it hurt you so much if you lose it.

12/3/2007 7:41:39 PM

everyone schedules cupcakes and everyone plays OOC games early in the year.

12/3/2007 7:43:19 PM

Kinda like we played ECU early in the year? Kind alike UGA and GT or FSU and UF or Clemson and USC?

Really?

Really?

12/3/2007 7:45:42 PM

Quote :

"Kind alike UGA and GT or FSU and UF or Clemson and USC?"

not at all, those are traditional rivalry games that are always scheduled for the last game of the season and have nothing to do with intra-sectional scheduling (which i thought was the concern with OSU)

hence my exception to those games in the post above

which you would have seen had actually read it

12/3/2007 7:50:04 PM

how about LSU playing Louisiana Tech the 3rd to last week of the season

or Florida playing Florida Atlantic the 3rd to last week of the season

or Tennessee playing Louisiana Lafayette in November

this is a stupid fucking argument, EVERYBODY SCHEDULES CUPCAKES

12/3/2007 7:54:26 PM

look at the fuckeyes' schedule top to bottom, then look at LSU, UF, and Tenn.

12/3/2007 7:59:52 PM