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"Twista : i'm nothing remotely close to a "Clinton campaign toolbag""

yeah, yeah, i know... you're just a garden variety toolbag

2/27/2008 4:27:31 PM

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"Oh, you say you have NO EVIDENCE? None? None at all? "

I've posted the link to that church multiple times you fucking idiot, but it would require you to actually click the link and read some on the website...for example

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"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black"

yep...not even remotely close to racist

I'm sure if I went to a church who's "About Us" page on their website said "we area congregation which is Unashamedly White" you wouldnt think it was a racist church

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"We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community."

replace 'black' with 'white' and 'African' with 'European' and tell me it doesnt sound racist

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"The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision: 1. A congregation committed to ADORATION. 2. A congregation preaching SALVATION. 3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION. 4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. 5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION. 6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. 7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. 8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. 9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. 10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY. "

not one bit racist at all

2/27/2008 4:30:33 PM

yeah, that makes them racists, alright


i guess we're going to have to shut down all the catholic churches that support the history and ethnicity of their parishioners heritage from Ireland or Italy. no more St. Patty's Day Parades.

and we're gonna have to shut down the synagogues and zionist christian churches. bastards are supporting Israel, dontcha know.

2/27/2008 4:44:20 PM

BLACK POWER = proud of your culture

WHITE POWER = you racist ass motherfuckers

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"i guess we're going to have to shut down all the catholic churches that support the history and ethnicity of their parishioners heritage from Ireland or Italy"

i'm sure a lot of those churches have NON-NEGOTIABLE COMMITMENTS TO IRELAND AND ITALY and I'm sure they describe themselves as UNASHAMEDLY WHITE and I'm sure they constantly affirm their trust in God through cultural expression of a White worship service

but oh noes! how dare i disrespect your boy obama! oh noes!

2/27/2008 4:51:19 PM

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"bullshit. you're the one talking out of your ass now. he always has and continues to -- since long before he ever made his run for US Senate or even Illinois legislature -- identify himself as a person of mixed ethnicity. i dont know where you get these talking points that you keep parroting, but you sound ridiculously ill-informed. "

First of all, if anyone is parroting it's you. It's obvious to most people, including more regularly everyday the media, that Obama's followers cannot think for themselves.

Secondly, I got that Obama refers to himself as African American from the Washington Post. Although not nearly as reputable as whatever underground hate spewing blog you read. Here:

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"Born to a white mother and a black Kenyan father, reared in Hawaii by his white grandparents and for a few years in Indonesia with his Indonesian stepfather, Obama in many ways embodies the one America he often talks about: He identifies himself as African American, but his experiences are at once those of African Americans, whites, Asian Americans and immigrants "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/24/AR2007012402032.html

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"oh really? how is Trinity United Church of Christ, a mainline protestant denomination and member of the World Association of Churches (among others) a racist church? what evidence do you have? what's that? i cant hear you, louder please. Oh, you say you have NO EVIDENCE? None? None at all? well, imagine that. "

I never said the church was racist, just Obama's very close friend and minister of 20 years. I know you were talking to Twista, but since I know that you were crying about that I thought I would interject. Oh wait, here is your unsubstantiated claim:

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"No one in his church, not his minister or anyone, has praised the Nation of Islam, or any of the racist/anti-semitic speech of Louis Farrakhan. "

Did you even read the Washington Post article, or did you have to first go check the Obama site to see what you were supposed to believe? I guess this is a rhetorical question since that is clearly what you did.

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"Barack Obama is a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.[b] In 1982, [b]the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. "

You should try reading before you spout off Obama's talking points, or do you just not know any better?

For Obama to claim that the magazine (which was started and is owned by the church of which he is a member, of which his minister's children are editors and publishers, of which his minister named Louis Farrakhan as a great man) is somehow a separate entity is ludicrous.

2/27/2008 6:23:57 PM

wow

you can cut and paste Cohen's pro-Clinton editorial from the Washington Times. i think you did it twice, even. with bold highlighting of your favorite parts.

your parents must be proud

2/27/2008 7:57:20 PM

It's better than anything you have provided and clearly refutes all the lies that you have been posting.

Your parents must be proud.

or do they even know that you aren't living on the streets and doing drugs anymore?



[Edited on February 27, 2008 at 8:14 PM. Reason : cd]

2/27/2008 8:11:21 PM

you wound me, sir

2/27/2008 10:27:29 PM

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"The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision: 1. A congregation committed to ADORATION. 2. A congregation preaching SALVATION. 3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION. 4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. 5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION. 6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. 7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. 8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. 9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. 10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY."

i dont consider the 2 you highlighted to be racist

2/29/2008 1:42:25 AM

^ they are not... none of that is racist.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 2:01 AM. Reason : ]

2/29/2008 2:00:47 AM

i agree, although i also agree that there is a wicked double standard.

2/29/2008 2:46:30 AM

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"We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.""

^agreed

i do agree about the changing the black to white and african to european doublestandard in this comment

2/29/2008 2:57:29 AM

^ is there anything in that church code that in any way suggests that you would be welcome as a caucasian of European descent? Of course not and of course it's racist. It's not as if they are claiming we are Kenyans and proud of our country, they are claiming those of African descent which is a selection based solely on race.


Furthermore, I don't care how much Obama states that he doesn't believe in the teachings of Farrakhan, which include this gem:

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"White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet." "

and

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"The Blackman is the original man. From him came all brown, yellow, red, and white people. By using a special method of birth control law, the Blackman was able to produce the white race. This method of birth control was developed by a Black scientist known as Yakub, who envisioned making and teaching a nation of people who would be diametrically opposed to the Original People. A Race of people who would one day rule the original people and the earth for a period of 6,000 years. Yakub promised his followers that he would graft a nation from his own people, and he would teach them how to rule his people, through a system of tricks and lies whereby they use deceit to divide and conquer, and break the unity of the darker people, put one brother against another, and then act as mediators and rule both sides.""

So long as he continually associates himself with Reverend Wright, Jr. then Obama is racist in my book and people need to know about this.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM. Reason : sadf]

2/29/2008 10:00:50 AM

Speaking of double standards,
Words:

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"Barack Obama was questioned at Tuesday night's debate by Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton about repudiating Louis Farrakhan's endorsement — which Obama said was unsolicited — in the strongest terms possible. He was repeatedly badgered by Russert, and was forced to disown Farrakhan over and over again. The very next day, John McCain appeared onstage in Texas with Pastor John Hagee, an influential activist in the Christian Zionist movement. Hagee's comments about world affairs can make Farrakhan seem pedestrian at times: He eagerly awaits the Armageddon, considers the Catholic Church to be the Anti-Christ, and has said that Jews brought their own persecution upon themselves. But when it came to McCain's rather controversial backer, the press hardly batted an eye. Seems like a pretty clear double standard, right? Some readers might remember Hagee from this video put out last year by Max Blumenthal, from Hagee's Christians United For Israel conference. During the event, Hagee proclaimed that the United States must consider a preemptive strike on Iran, and also said that Jews had been responsible for their persecution throughout history because of a failure to properly accept God: Blumenthal only scratched the surface here — Hagee is a colorful character, to say the least. Very much like Farrakhan, Hagee has regularly made remarks about current events and other religions that many would find alarming. But unlike Farrakhan, he has never truly faced the scrutiny of the mainstream press, and major politicians like Joe Lieberman and John McCain have freely associated with him. In 2006, Hagee laid out his views on eschatology in a book called Jerusalem Countdown, in which he claimed that sources had told him a year earlier about world events to come — and amazingly enough, all those predictions had come true over the past year. Next on the agenda, according to his March 2006 interview in Human Events: Israel would go to war with Iran before May 2006. And from there, Hagee eagerly anticipated an all-out world war against Iran and Russia, followed by the Second Coming. On the right, Bill Donohue of the Catholic League is objecting Hagee's extremist writings, particularly his denunciations of the Catholic Church. For example, Donohue pointed to instances in which Hagee has referred to the Catholic Church as, "The Great Whore," an "apostate church," the "anti-Christ," and a "false cult system." Is Tim Russert going to repeat any of that to McCain, in the same way he read out Farrakhan's "gutter religion" line about Jews? "Senator Obama has repudiated the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan, another bigot," Donohue wrote. "McCain should follow suit and retract his embrace of Hagee." So here's the question: Will the same media outlets who have hammered Barack Obama about Louis Farrakhan's uninvited endorsement now ask John McCain to denounce and reject the support of John Hagee, which was actually sought and publicly accepted?"

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/john_hagee_post.php#more

2/29/2008 10:35:55 AM

BLACK POWER = proud of your culture

WHITE POWER = you racist ass motherfuckers

2/29/2008 11:21:11 AM

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"^ is there anything in that church code that in any way suggests that you would be welcome as a caucasian of European descent?"

no...and your point? you act like black churches have to be just like white churches

2/29/2008 11:30:59 AM

you act like this is just some random person's church

and not someone that might be creating policies for our country over the next 4 years

why can't we point out that he associates with racists? man if obama wins some of you guys are going to shit a fucking brick...with all the shit you talk about bush, you're getting your panties in a wad quite easily over some minor obama shit...can't wait to see how many aneurysms you guys get once the media chooses to criticize him over something else

2/29/2008 11:37:53 AM

i just dont see whats so bad about those 10 things...i dont see any racism.....i think you want it to be racist more than anything



[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 11:41 AM. Reason : and for the record...obama would be a better president than mccain]

2/29/2008 11:40:45 AM

^ I am sorry I was under the impression that you understood what racism was.

Racism is discrimination or prejudice based on race.


Why do churches have to be black and white in your world? I grew up going to a church that had a good mix of a lot of different races. At my church we focused on helping MANKIND, not black mankind.

2/29/2008 11:41:59 AM

ive been to several afrocentric churches, and while i was definitely in the minority i was always made to feel welcomed, warmly greeted, and invited to come back.

they're proud of their heritage, work to build their communities, repair the divisions of violence/drugs/absent fathers/etc.

you people whining about black pride vs. white power, are clueless. you sound consumed with fear and loathing over the things of which you are obviously completely ignorant.

2/29/2008 11:43:39 AM

see....its freaking white people like yall that make this country suck....god damn....8 years of bush and you STILL would vote mccain

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : like sputter and treetwista]

2/29/2008 11:43:45 AM

you guys are so fucking naive its incredible

roger clemens is innocent too!

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"they're proud of their heritage"

so are the Aryan Nation and KKK...but you've got some kind of self loathing issue based on what i can only imagine is the retarded political correct bullshit in the media that you just eat up

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"ive been to several afrocentric churches"

I'M NOT RACIST...I HAVE A LOT OF BLACK FRIENDS

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"8 years of bush and you STILL would vote mccain"

yeah cause bush=mccain...and i am a voter

you are the dumbest motherfucker i swear

2/29/2008 11:45:07 AM

It's not so much the church's ideals.

We all get that black people have historically had to work together due to the systematic oppression waged on them in the United States.

But why does Obama continue to associate himself with an organization that openly praises the Nation of Islam?


And DNL, you have no idea why you don't like Bush. It's the popular thing to do, like everything else in your life.

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"you sound consumed with fear and loathing over the things of which you are obviously completely ignorant. "

Different Opinion from JoeSchmoe = Ignorant.

Glad you are back to trolling, we missed you.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 11:54 AM. Reason : ,]

2/29/2008 11:51:26 AM

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"But why does Obama continue to associate himself with an organization that openly praises the Nation of Islam?"

red fucking herring. once again.

can you ever stick to the facts?

NO ONE has praised the Nation of Islam.

Barack's "organization" (the mainstream protestant christian church he has attended for 20+ years) has never praised Farrakhan.

what happened was a private publication praised Farrakhan for the work that he was doing in Chicago getting ex-felons reintegrated into society as productive citizens, and not repeat offenders.

it was done by a publication ("The Trumpet") published by a man, Rev Wright, who used to be the leader of Trinity United Church of Christ, a mainstream protestant denomination in the south Side Chicago that teaches the positive aspects of African culture and 90% of their parishioners' heritage.

Barack Obama has, for many years, repeatedly and publicly rejected and denounced Farakhan's racist and anti-semitic statements.

this is a matter of public record

now how about you look at your own anger and fear. why do black folks scare you so much?






[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 12:14 PM. Reason : ]

2/29/2008 12:11:06 PM

wow a politician publicly denounced something

thats good enough proof for me!

but I sure as hell would hope he would denounce racist statements about whites, since he himself is half white although it sure as fuck isn't his unashamed half

2/29/2008 12:14:43 PM

How do you not get the connection that Reverend Wright, Jr. (Obama's reverend) gave an award through a magazine that is wholly owned and operated by Wright's family through the church to Louis Farrakhan?

It really is so simple. I like how you picked up some debating terms to make yourself look smart.

If nothing else, this esablishes the character and habit of the Reverend Wright, Jr.


Your supposition that I am somehow afraid of anything is hilarious. Here, I can do it too, Democrats are a bunch of fucking pussies who are afraid to fight anything.

2/29/2008 12:17:45 PM

Are you saying he should punch Farrakan or something? I mean, what do you want the man to do? Short of a physical confrontation he has done everything he can to say that he doesn't agree/like the guy.

2/29/2008 12:19:33 PM

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"he has done everything he can to say that he doesn't agree/like the guy."

thats bullshit, but the simple reason he hasnt said anything too strongly about Farrakhan is because he wants that demographic's votes...what is he going to do, call out Farrakhan for being a racist piece of shit and risk losing a large voting segment in the black community who thinks he's too much of an 'uncle tom'?

2/29/2008 12:24:05 PM

You're a fucking idiot.

You're basically saying he should make a campaign issue out of Farrakan when the best way to deal with idiots like that is to ignore them, just like I'm about to do to you now.

2/29/2008 12:37:12 PM

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"You're basically saying he should make a campaign issue out of Farrakan"

sounds like you're the idiot...i said the exact opposite...can you fucking read?

he isn't going to say anything about Farrakhan because he doesn't want to lose the votes of people who like Farrakhan

thats a topic he isn't going to touch during this campaign

at least do me the favor of reading what I say before you call me an idiot

2/29/2008 12:41:34 PM

I don't know if you know this twister, but black people can't be racist in the United States. A white guy that says "you people" will likely lose his job, friends, and anything he has ever earned, while a black guy that says the same thing would get a job as a stand up comedian.

2/29/2008 1:28:43 PM

shut your damn piehole, you inbred trailer-dwelling peckerwood.




[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ]

2/29/2008 2:07:52 PM

d357r0y3r i agree

Schmoe made racist insinuations in his last post that are derogatory towards white people..."inbred" and "trailer dwelling" show for one thing that he is self loathing

but of course thats ok because he's talkng about white people, and obviously all white people are rich and privileged and grew up with silver spoons in their mouthes, so they are obviously fair game...now let his adjectives be "ghetto" and "housing project dwelling" and the good reverends jackson and sharpton would start a media crusade

hence what idiots like schmoe still dont get about obama's church and racism...Jeremiah Wright is not for racial equality...he's for the black race's superiority...if you don't see that you're either a complete idiot, or your the mind controlling media hasnt told you what to think on this issue

2/29/2008 3:25:32 PM

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"Jeremiah Wright is not for racial equality...he's for the black race's superiority"

now not only are you wrong, you're a liar.

i mean, you're making shit up wholesale.

prove to us, please, that your allegations of racial superiority have any basis whatsoever in fact. point to me one written or recorded source of Rev. Wright's doctrine of racial superiority -- you can't.

this is just bizarre now. i always knew you were a piss poor debater, but i never thought for a moment you were a racist, hateful, inferior little man. where is all this hate coming from, tree?

2/29/2008 4:05:11 PM

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"so are the Aryan Nation and KKK...but you've got some kind of self loathing issue based on what i can only imagine is the retarded political correct bullshit in the media that you just eat up"

The Aryan Nation and the KKK are proud of their white heritage in that they hate everyone else.

Most AME and afrocentric groups/churches are proud of their African/black heritage. Period. Some do hate on other groups, and that ain't right.

But having black pride is not the same as having white pride+hate. To compare the two is absurd. If you're bothered that "white pride" has connotations of hate, you can blame the KKK for that. Not liberals or black people or academics. White folks fucked up white pride all on they own.

Plus, white folks don't typically have white pride. They're usually proud to be Irish, Italian, Russian, German, etc...

Most black folks can't have that nation-based identity because, in the absence of records, it's hard to know where your family came from. Plus, there are certain factors, past and present, that tend to unify the group into one. I might argue that "black pride" is a condition that has been imposed on and fostered in black communities since slavery. And it's not necessarily a bad thing.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 4:15 PM. Reason : sss]

2/29/2008 4:08:56 PM

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"But having black pride is not the same as having white pride+hate"

hence the double standard of racism that exists in our country...and how convenient that theres "black pride" and theres "white pride + hate

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"Plus, white folks don't typically have white pride. They're usually proud to be Irish, Italian, Russian, German, etc..."

What about Nigerian pride? Kenyan pride? Liberian pride? who cares about "nation based identity"...I'm not 100% italian or 100% irish...but I don't go around having white pride because it would be perceived as being racist

besides i think "black pride" and "white pride" and all those things are stupid as fuck...people have a hell of a lot more valuable qualities to be judged on then their race

What about American pride? Oh yeah thats just for all the dumb white folks

How about being proud of being a good person? Being proud of being good to your family? Being proud of accomplishing a goal like graduating college or getting a good job. But no, we'd rather people be proud of their race...yet people are surprised when you point out that its racist

^^you keep showing how little you know about Wright...clearly I'm not going to change your stubborn mind so I won't even try

2/29/2008 4:36:04 PM

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"you keep showing how little you know about Wright...clearly I'm not going to change your stubborn mind so I won't even try"

bullshit.

you called the man a racist who believes in a doctrine of racial superiority.

thats a lie, and it makes you a liar.

not just a stupid white lie like your typical e-peen lies, but ajn ugly, hateful lie of heinous proportion.

now back up your statement, liar.

2/29/2008 4:42:26 PM

you dont know the man how the fuck are you so qualified to blindly defend him? damn get your mouth off his racist cock you fucking troll

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"you keep showing how little you know about Wright...clearly I'm not going to change your stubborn mind so I won't even try"

2/29/2008 4:44:53 PM

ive read his writings. you obviously havent. now quit trying to turn this into some twist on your own homoerotic fantasies.

PROVE to us, with some written or recorded statement, that Rev Wright is a racist who expounds the doctrine of "racial superiority"

because otherwise, you are little lying turd.

now back up your hateful speech with some evidence, liar.




[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM. Reason : ]

2/29/2008 4:48:49 PM

he's a racist...i don't need to quote a primary reference source to 'prove' he's a racist

if you can't see that he's a racist, you're just continuing to prove how much of a brainwashed liberal troll you are

replace 'white' with 'black' and 'african' with 'european' in anything he says and tell me you wouldnt say that was racist

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"ive read his writings. "

you're so fucking full of shit

2/29/2008 4:50:03 PM

^^^^^I've already responded to everything you just said there. Except for the last part.

Being proud of being a good person/etc... and having black pride are not mutually exclusive.

Now I've responded to everything you just said.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM. Reason : sss]

2/29/2008 4:51:02 PM

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"But having black pride is not the same as having white pride+hate"

why must "white pride" have the "hate" part added on??? you havent responded to that

2/29/2008 4:51:48 PM

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" TreeTwista10: "Jeremiah Wright is not for racial equality...he's for the black race's superiority." joe_schmoe: "thats a lie. prove it." TreeTwista10: "i don't need to quote anything to prove it." joe_schmoe: "okay, liar."

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM. Reason : ]

2/29/2008 4:54:44 PM

another quality post by the liberal troll who will never be mod

2/29/2008 4:57:09 PM

i'm beginning to think treetwista is a racist

2/29/2008 4:58:33 PM

^ ya think??

^^ thats okay, liar. i'm over that now.





[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

2/29/2008 4:58:43 PM

you said you read his writings...then you call ME a liar...riight

why dont you tell us all about his writings then to prove you're not a liar

its clear that he is a racist and you are a troll

haha you are agreeing with DNL's trolling...way to build up your rep, schmoe

^^^

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"its freaking white people like yall that make this country suck....god damn....8 years of bush and you STILL would vote mccain"

so are you racist against white people, or are you trying to bullshit and act like the last 8 years have been bad for you? oh man, go to college, post on tww, go drink at bars, meet women, oh man life sucks cause of george bush!!1

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 5:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/29/2008 4:59:18 PM

Rep?

For posting in TSB?

You'd get eaten alive in any remotely real debate

And you're talking about Rep?

REP?

LOL?

2/29/2008 5:05:34 PM

i'm talking about schmoe agreeing with DNL...thats not the best way to gain credibility ANYWHERE

then we have people like this ^moron who says i'd get eaten alive in a real debate

i'd do pretty well in a real debate...you dont have to believe me, but you've never met me in my life so your dumbass is clueless in the first place about me...most of you would be clueless if you couldnt google shit left and right before you posted...i come off the top

2/29/2008 5:07:29 PM

No actually

Most of us managed to stay awake through basic history

You're 'off the top', which I guess means Glenn Beck style 'HAY, IM AN IDIOT BUT IM STILL GONNA COMMENT' arguing skills makes you come off as a complete twat.

A reason why everyone in the history of the wolf web outside of sports talk treats you like a massive, leaking, catheter tube.

2/29/2008 5:10:14 PM