So one book that you may or may not have read correctly is supposed to trump the paper of record (NYT) and the most read paper in America (USA Today)?

I think I'll put my faith in the gray lady--that conservative rag loved by Bushies everywhere.

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 5:48 PM. Reason : I felt bad. ]

2/28/2008 5:45:30 PM

meh, whatever

2/28/2008 5:52:26 PM

hey who do yall think will be the worse president?

i say odds are 50/50 john mccains best chances are a 6/10 presidency...i think obamas worst possible is a 6.5...best like a 9.5

3/2/2008 3:55:10 AM

that obama kool-aid is some serious shit.

3/2/2008 4:56:04 AM

obama will be better than john mccain's corpse

3/2/2008 9:42:03 AM

I know alot of you guys LOVE obama. I dont like mccain either, but if you hold obama to his word and believe what he is proposing, I just dont see how anyone reasonable or working can vote for this man.

On TOP of our current budget that has a deficit, BHO is proposing over 800Billion in new spending. Almost a third of our current budget in NEW spending. We just cant afford this man. If you think taxing the rich will pay for it, you are very very naive.

Here is a good read, which many of you wont.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MGYxYWM4NjkxMjUwMzBhZDAwNTg2NjZmYmU5MWU2ZmQ=

3/2/2008 10:58:23 AM

^Do you sincerely think you are going to convince anyone of anything, especially tacit Obama supporters, when you step to people with childish innuendo like "BHO" and call the people you are trying to convince stupid?

You're transparent to everyone. You could have replaced you post with "wah wah wah I hate barack SADDAM HUSSEIN obama, and anyone who doesn't in stupid. why aren't you people convinced by my arguments????"

Either stop pretending you are interested in sincere debate or grow up and take an approach that actually has a chance of working. Right now, you're embarrassing yourself.

Oh yeah, and we get it: Bush Republicans are scared shitless that a democrat is going to be the next president. Your fear is noted

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2008 11:07:35 AM

Ahhh yes. Once HIS INITIALS are used any arguement after is null and void. Esp an increase in spending of over 800Billion dollars.

The article and my post wasnt directed to you. Its directed to those that can actually put aside thier emotions and reason. The fact that your response is three paragraphs dealing with NOTHING but his initials demostrates that you are not capable.

3/2/2008 11:18:56 AM

At this point I'm wondering how either Obama or Clinton will fare against McCain. Seems like the prolonged Democrat primary is dividing the party. If it came down to it I wonder how many Clinton supporters would vote for Obama, or how many Obama supporters would vote for Clinton.

^Hillary is also adding new programs. What's her total?

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 11:21 AM. Reason : -]

3/2/2008 11:20:18 AM

^^^ oh jesus christ, dude, chill out.

i didn't even notice that he'd used the infamous "BHO" to refer to him.

3/2/2008 11:26:47 AM

Tilley, It wont matter come election time. They will vote the democratic party regardless. They basically have very similar proposals.

Clinton has proposed 725Billion in additional spending.

Either of their healthcare plans are a disaster. They target 100 to 120Billion a year additional. LOL. We spend about 800B medicare and medicaid, which only covers the "poor" and over 65 crowd. And that doesnt count what the states spend on medicaid, which usually consumes close to half of state budgets. So for the low price of only 1/8 of the cost of just those two groups the rest of us will be covered? Come on. Its like saying the iraq war woudl only cost 20Billion a year. This is the govt we are talking about. More power/control over our daily lives is generally a bad thing.

I like using the BHO. If someone gets hung up on the fact you used his initials then dont take the arguement further. Its kinda like teaching division when they cant get past addition or subtraction.

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 11:35 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2008 11:31:01 AM

^^I'm actually voting for mccain. ^This faker needs to be called out, though, because he's doing more harm than good.

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 11:32 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2008 11:32:40 AM

^faker? What have I said to be fake? You got upset when I used someone's initials. I linked an article that showed the increased in spending. Ive backed up my positions with reason. What have you offered?


If you believe obama, just the increased in spending alone would give you reservation. It took over 200 years to get the first trillion dollar budget, I think it was reagan. Now we are at 3. He wants to take us to 4 in 1 year. This is totally unsustainable.

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2008 11:38:18 AM

So you mean to tell me that if McCain's middle name was, oh let's say, Hitler, the Democrats wouldn't say it at every turn?

Besides, anybody that bases their vote on a candidate's name is an idiot.

3/2/2008 11:45:42 AM

I think it would be really weird if McCain's middle name was Hitler. There are lots of Husseins in the world, but Hitlers? And that says a lot that you just compared Hussein's name to HITLER. It shows what a horrible connotation it carries for some people.

3/2/2008 12:00:54 PM

^ But what if his middle name was dingleberry, or maybe cockgobbler?

I would die laughing everytime someone said it.


I hate to say it, but when it comes down to it I like everything about McCain a lot better, but will probably still vote for Obama.

How bad could he fuck up the country in 4 years? I mean, it's gonna be terrible. Taxes will go through the roof, unemployment will skyrocket, the economy will continue its downward spiral into possibly another depression, and our military (of which he wants to increase the personnel size, which I like) will be likely be surpassed technologically by China. Without our military operating as our backbone, our currency will likely continue to slide (which would be good for manufacturing jobs in the US), and gasoline may continue to increase thereby pricing even more people into unemployment.

But there is a lot of good there too. I think that by voting for and electing Obama, maybe it will greatly improve the African-American culture in this country. From this point on, African American parents will be able to tell their children, without any reservation, "Look, you CAN do anything that you want to and you can be anything that you want." I mean, once there has been an African - American President, the most powerful and prestigious job in the world, you really can't bitch too much about being held back.

Plus, I really like some of his proposals such as allowing for public "notice and comment" periods on laws passed by Congress. It may end up being largely ineffective, but it would certainly give the people an opportunity to address concerns about laws that are being passed.

So, if I were going to vote based on reason and logic, I would pick McCain. But, I think that with Obama, there is a chance for a sea change in the way our country operates culturally which would be a very good thing. If he would just distance himself from that Reverend Wright, Jr., he would make it a lot easier to vote for him.

3/2/2008 1:17:33 PM

i got a feeling if a republican wins they are gonna drag this country into a depression

3/2/2008 3:16:53 PM

you been starving, homeless and out of work the last 7 years dnl?

3/2/2008 3:22:01 PM

sputter, I hear what you are saying. I too would be proud to have BHO as president if his views/policies werent a fiscal disaster for this country. Would I rather have the "picture" of him as our president vs. McCain? You bet. But when you look at the actual issues, its just a disaster. So I have to do what I think is best for the country and vote for mccain. Sometimes you have to do what you think is best, not what makes you feel the best.

Drunkloaded, what quicker way to a depression is higher taxes and MASSIVE increases in spending?
No, twista, actually loaded probably did pretty well the last 7 years, but just has to hold the party line.

3/2/2008 5:28:23 PM

Does this "massive" increase in spending take into account all the money that is currently spent on Iraq, that Obama will pull out of once elected? I don't know an exact figure, but 100s of billions are being spent on Iraq. I personally would rather see this money spent on American citizens.


Currently I'm for Ron Paul in the primary but when it comes to the general election I am still undecided between McCain and Obama. (Hillary will never get my vote)

3/2/2008 6:54:06 PM

I think McCain's success will depend on having a good vice president running mate.

you know... b/c he's old.

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 9:04 PM. Reason : ]

3/2/2008 9:04:13 PM

he should pick the mormon

[Edited on March 3, 2008 at 12:22 AM. Reason : would make fox news and talk radio super happy]

3/3/2008 12:22:04 AM

dagreenone, we spent between 100-120B in iraq last year. Somehow, that money isnt even included in the federal budget. If he raises the income tax like he says, last year it would have raised another 40B. So even if he pulls out and raises the tax. 160 does not equal 800. Not to mention we are already in a deficit. If he was to raise taxes with NO increases in spending, I would be more likely to support it. But that is simply not the case.

3/3/2008 9:15:09 AM

Wait, let me get this straight you Obama supporters would prefer we refer to your exalted one as "BO" instead of "BHO". Not a choice I would make for my candidate but whatever...

3/3/2008 9:35:12 AM

I don't understand why you refer to Obama as BHO saying that you're not trying to emphasize the 'H' being there but don't refer to McCain as JSM. It points to massive douchebaggery.

3/3/2008 9:45:26 AM

It's

John Sidney McCain the third

3/3/2008 9:58:28 AM

My bad.

3/3/2008 10:34:49 AM

Sidney? Is he gay?

3/3/2008 10:41:04 AM

^muslim

3/3/2008 11:08:04 AM

After the negative attacks Obama's had to endure from McCain and Clinton, both trying to scare people with this mulsim bullshit.... I think if Obama wins all 4 states tomorrow, he'll definitely win the general election too.

Basically, it'll mean the Americans just aren't buying that bullshit anymore

3/3/2008 11:27:50 AM

I'm thinking Obama will most likely win 2/4 tomorrow, though I wouldn't put it past him to get 3/4.

I'll give Clinton a 25% chance of quitting after the primaries tomorrow though.

3/3/2008 11:41:31 AM

I agree monky on tommorrows chances/results.

What do you think about his increased spending I discussed earlier?

3/3/2008 12:20:04 PM

People donate him money for a reason. I'd be disappointed if I donated money and he didn't utilize it (much like many feel about Ron Paul right now).

3/3/2008 12:41:17 PM

haha can the people that donated money to paul REALLY be that upset? i mean really... lol if so thats funny to me

[Edited on March 3, 2008 at 12:45 PM. Reason : i agree with that skankin person too...i'd say 25 percent chance she quits tomorrow]

3/3/2008 12:44:17 PM

Quote :

"Besides, anybody that bases their vote on a candidate's name is an idiot."

Agreed.

3/3/2008 12:48:39 PM

Quote :

"People donate him money for a reason. I'd be disappointed if I donated money and he didn't utilize it "

Are you serious? I cant tell if that was a joke. As soon as "people" donate an extra 800billion and they dont force it out of workers, he can spend away.

3/3/2008 1:36:53 PM

i think he thought you were talking about obama's increase in campaign spending.

3/3/2008 1:49:35 PM

Oops. That's exactly what I thought he was talking about. My mind isn't completely here today.

As far as 'increased spending' goes; I tend to believe that our system is horribly broken as-is and with a complete revamp we could spend less and have more. I don't have numbers offhand to back this up, but people who are better informed than myself say it's completely possible so I say why not.


Of course I don't want to pay more taxes, especially if I'm not getting anything in return. However, if tax increases come with benefits to match then I have no problem putting my money to work.

3/3/2008 1:59:06 PM

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-clinton-276-mccain-262/

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-obama-280-mccain-258/

3/7/2008 9:44:14 AM

finally...been waiting for one of those

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 9:58 AM. Reason : dont think obama would win virginia]

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 10:01 AM. Reason : dont think clinton would win arkansas]

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM. Reason : dont think colorado will go to the dems...colorado is too white...they'd prolly go mccain]

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM. Reason : dont think a repub will win michigan]

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM. Reason : dont think a repub will win florida...at least i'd hope not]

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 10:05 AM. Reason : dont think west virginia would go to the dems]

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 10:07 AM. Reason : dont think nebraska would be 50/50 mccain/obama]

3/7/2008 9:50:59 AM

Obama will win Virginia and Mississippi in the general election

3/7/2008 10:00:00 AM

^ He can get Mississippi only if there's much higher black voter turnout.

Surprises:

Between McCain and Clinton, McCain would win Michigan while Clinton would win Ohio.

Virginia going to Obama.

New Hampshire going to Obama but not Clinton (she did win the primary after all over Obama).

Likewise with Nevada.

What's up with Nebraska? They don't seriously think it's a tossup in any scenario do they?

Washington and Oregon going to McCain if facing Clinton.

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 10:09 AM. Reason : .]

3/7/2008 10:08:29 AM

Nebraska splits delegates depending on congressional district. The issue was that Obama won 2 districts so he would get some of their votes by default.

3/7/2008 10:11:14 AM

the washington and oregon one actually didnt surprise me...i can see them going for mccain if its against clinton

3/7/2008 10:12:22 AM

Quote :

"What's up with Nebraska? They don't seriously think it's a tossup in any scenario do they? "

^^ put it well, so... no, they don't think it's a toss up

3/7/2008 1:02:15 PM

i just changed a few of them around in paint and re did it and got up to 311 for dems....average was about 296 and lowest was around 281...but i did give florida to the dems

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 3:50 PM. Reason : unless they get that gov from florida as mccain veep...that would suck for dems]

3/7/2008 3:48:17 PM

McCain is a douchebag...

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/07/politics/fromtheroad/entry3917659.shtml

3/7/2008 4:27:01 PM

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/07/obama_adviser_critical_of_clin.html

more obama political talk...although i agree with his stance that you cant say one thing and expect to do it once you have access to all information that current pres gets

3/7/2008 4:33:24 PM

Those SurveyUSA results, while interesting should be taken with a huge grain of salt. SurveyUSA uses tracking polls which at times gives extremely varying results. Also, this election is forcing the polling firms to completely recalibrate their voter turnout estimates and what we've been able to see from their latest polls is that they haven't been able to fine tune them yet.

I think the most telling part of those electoral map is how open the Mountain West is becoming for Democratic presidential candidates. Many of those states have extremely interesting margins of victory. I have no allusions of Obama winning Utah, but right now, he is only 11 points behind McCain in that poll, which is incredibly reassuring for the Obama camp. The selection of Bill Ritter from Colorado could possibly put those polls into the margin of error. The Texas poll has a difference of 1% between Obama and McCain, which is in the margin of error. South Dakota, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, Alaska, NJ. That is a potential swing in Obama's favor of 126 electoral votes. McCain is in the margin of error for MIchigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, and Virginia against Obama where that could swing 42 votes McCain's way.

In the Clinton v. mccain side of things. McCain is in the margin of error Delaware, Hawaii, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Wisconsin with the possible shift of 73 votes. Clinton is in the margin for Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, Oregon, Tennessee, and Washington with the possible shift of 64 votes.

We could possibly see an election if Obama is the candidate of 406-132 (Obama) to 238-300 (McCain) and if Hillary is the nominee 340-198 (Clinton) to 335-203 (McCain).

With Obama, it could theoretically be the first 50-State strategy campaign.

3/7/2008 4:42:35 PM

3/7/2008 6:22:31 PM