2/28/2008 11:35:23 PM

fucking damn it

still no PMs.

2/28/2008 11:37:08 PM

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"If I make a promise to have a kid, I'd keep it. I'm sorry you see women as incapable of keeping their word or some nonsense, and I hope that never happens to you. And wouldn't that situation force you to not want to be married to her anymore? I mean really, if she just takes back a promise you thought she'd keep, I wouldn't tolerate that. I'm sorry you're pissed off about the system. If you don't like it, try to change it."

See, this is where you are incorrect. I don't see women as incapable of keeping their word. I see it as one of the more legitimate reasons for divorce. If a guy goes and gets a vasectomy it should work exactly the same for a woman who wants to continue having children. Had that been the original point of this thread I would have been arguing that.

The second point is that yes, it is a reason to not want to be married to her. However, because of the legal and financial ramifications it makes divorce an incredibly unattractive option. Knowing that you will likely end up not being able to see your current children as much and in all likelihood paying out the nose for the privilege of it sucks mightily, not to mention the probability of alimony sucking up a large portion of your future income on top of child support.

I'm no bitter, I don't want either marriage or children, so it doesn't affect me in real way. However, it is a a shitty situation. I think the fact that our generation has seen so many marriages fail and fail in a catastrophic and messy way can also be viewed as a reason that marriage seems to be a less attractive option for all involved among today's 20-30 year olds.

2/28/2008 11:42:46 PM

greeeeeeeeeen inbox

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 11:44 PM. Reason : I'm no bitter]

2/28/2008 11:43:29 PM

Mine be red :thatonesadsmileyguy:

2/28/2008 11:44:24 PM

Ace to the rescue!

2/28/2008 11:45:16 PM

^^^I don't disagree that split-ups are shitty and more uneven than not, but I don't know that many people who'd go get their tubes tied or have a vasectomy without telling their spouse. In the end, I guess it's up to you if you want to be miserable for the rest of your life with a wife who can't have any more kids, but with the kids you already have.... or you opt for child support and the option to find another woman who'd continue having your kids. And those aren't good options, though I don't know how the legal system could prevent this aside from evening the blame financially.

And I agree with you, I don't particularly want kids either. Things like this can get messy and unpleasant if the marriage does dissolve.

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2008 11:47:34 PM

much love for the day after pill

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 11:49 PM. Reason : much love]

2/28/2008 11:48:49 PM

what's that thread about the guy who got his tubes tied and when out with a chick who later claimed that he got her pregnant?



[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 11:51 PM. Reason : ]

2/28/2008 11:51:07 PM

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"what's that thread about the guy who got his tubes tied and when out with a chick who later claimed that he got her pregnant?"

He got the papers signed saying he got his tubes tied and got the paper saying he produces 0 sperm but didnt tell her. She got pregnant and was asking him for money but he said he wasn't going to pay. She takes him to court where he produces the paper saying he couldn't have got her preggers and she gets screwed over because she slept with a mechanic or pizza guy.

2/28/2008 11:55:06 PM

he didn't take her to court, she threatened to take him to court. to this he produced the legally valid letter from his lawyer saying that the sperm results were infact correct and that she basically would get fucked in the ass if she tried anything

2/28/2008 11:58:06 PM

he didnt get them tied.... i dont think you can with a guy.


he got them cut.

2/29/2008 12:07:35 AM

^ proper terminology

2/29/2008 12:13:35 AM

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"he got them cut."

What do you do with the two loose ends? You tie them off.

But yea it's one tube with two ends now. He got his tube ends tied.

2/29/2008 12:16:10 AM

now you're just trying to convince yourself that you used the proper terminology. Girls can get their tubes tied...and then untied. Guys cant.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 12:17 AM. Reason : x]

2/29/2008 12:17:42 AM

as long as the tubes don't go where they're supposed to...

2/29/2008 12:20:19 AM

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"Girls can get their tubes tied...and then untied. Guys cant. "

My dad did.

2/29/2008 12:21:42 AM

really ?


i was under the impression that it wasnt possible for guys. Or well, that it wasnt very effective.


I might do this

2/29/2008 12:23:08 AM

uuuuh, i wouldn't recommend it.

2/29/2008 12:33:56 AM

^^Yea, my oldest bro is 23, I'm 21, my younger bro is 19 and our sister is 7.

(MY BROTHERS AND I ALL GO TO STATE! LOL!!!11)



[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 12:35 AM. Reason : LOL]

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 12:35 AM. Reason : ALL IN ENGINEERING TOO LOL]

2/29/2008 12:34:58 AM

and i bet your oldest brother is half of the age of your older brother plus the age of your youngest sister divided by the age of your nephew?

2/29/2008 12:36:24 AM

wat

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[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 12:56 AM. Reason : WE NONE LOOK THE SAME]

2/29/2008 12:56:02 AM

i like educated women...no annoying educated women

2/29/2008 1:39:26 AM

StillFuchsia troll thread successful

2/29/2008 1:42:02 AM

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"There are issues that swing both ways. Domestic violence and divorce, sure, the guys get the short end of the stick more often. But women are generally seen as less-credible witnesses in all kinds of cases: and why is that, exactly? "

Brain, size of squirrel.

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"Prenups are being broken more and more frequently and in some states prenup or no, the split will be uneven. "

yep. i don't fucking get it. i would never get married without a pretty much ironclad prenup, and i don't know if that's even possible anymore (shouldn't be necessary, either, but the same bunch of crooks governs all of it).

...and women wonder why men are often so reluctant to get married.

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"Similarly, judges see women as better parents because they're mothers, and more often grant visitation rights to them based on that. That's not a systemic error either. "

Well, first of all, I totally hear what you're saying, and you do have a point, to some extent.

However, at least with a jury, you're dealing with Joe Dumbass off the street, who can't really be expected to be anything but. A judge should be capable of stronger decision making skills. In that light, I do view what you're talking about as more of a systemic error. At the very least, it's something the "system" has more ability to deal with (but hasn't fixed, so far).

In addition, isn't maternal preference actually legally backed up in some cases? If not, I'm almost positive that it used to be, which still poisons the system in terms of precedents set.


Finally, I'll admit that I have personal bias on this matter. I'm fiercely--and quite rightfully, in my opinion--bitter towards custody, visitation, and child support laws and the filthy system that governs them. On the other hand, that doesn't discount my opinion--it gives me firsthand experience. There's no way I can be TOTALLY objective about it, though. I discovered a kind of anger and hatred that I never knew existed when I had to deal with the family law system.

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"The entire legal system discourages reporting of rape because of its existence and the defense's attempt to tear women down and discredit them even when they are reporting a legitimate rape. That's absolutely degrading, but part of the process. You act like women always get special treatment when that's not the case at all. "

Concur, and I'll add that I don't think most people appreciate how common rape--even the forcible variety (because while it isn't "ok", getting drunk and changing your mind in the morning when you sober up is a very, very different animal than a violent rape). I'll bet money that every poster in this thread--whether they know it or not--knows at least a few women who've been raped.

Again, though, let's not forget how innocent men can get, well, fucked by rape charges.

2/29/2008 2:30:24 AM

al and his bro dont look alike

but the youngest does look closer to al then matt

regardless i know yall are brothers

2/29/2008 3:51:06 AM

But if I only have one or two kids, I can spend less time taking care of the kids, get my tubes tied and start fucking my husband completely guilt-free right when I hit my super-horny 40's.

2/29/2008 4:21:03 AM

This reminds me of the episode of House where the patient (a woman) was doing fertility treatment but taking BC pills on the side so she wouldn't have to confront her husband about not wanting to have any more childrens.

2/29/2008 9:27:11 AM

^ wasn't that b/c she had a genetic thing that she didn't want to pass on to her kids? It wasn't like she just didn't want to have kids to not have kids.

2/29/2008 9:32:03 AM

wow, fertility treatment is $$$. Telling him that she didn't want any would have been better.

2/29/2008 10:00:37 AM

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"^ wasn't that b/c she had a genetic thing that she didn't want to pass on to her kids? It wasn't like she just didn't want to have kids to not have kids. "

No, she just didn't want to tell her husband that she didn't want more kids b/c she didn't want him to leave her.

2/29/2008 11:46:09 AM

girl logic

TEEHEE

2/29/2008 11:46:53 AM

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"However, at least with a jury, you're dealing with Joe Dumbass off the street, who can't really be expected to be anything but. A judge should be capable of stronger decision making skills. In that light, I do view what you're talking about as more of a systemic error. At the very least, it's something the "system" has more ability to deal with (but hasn't fixed, so far)."

No it isn't. The judge has the discretion to do what he/she pleases within certain bounds of the law, but you cannot say that one of the guidelines given to them while presiding is "ALWAYS SIDE WITH THE MOTHER." The legal system is flawed, but it's flawed because people are in charge of making lopsided laws and enforcing them similarly lopsidedly. I think it's ridiculous to argue that someone's OPINION (judges are people, believe it or not) upon hearing evidence is a systemic error of the law itself just because it happens more often.

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" Finally, I'll admit that I have personal bias on this matter. I'm fiercely--and quite rightfully, in my opinion--bitter towards custody, visitation, and child support laws and the filthy system that governs them. On the other hand, that doesn't discount my opinion--it gives me firsthand experience. There's no way I can be TOTALLY objective about it, though. I discovered a kind of anger and hatred that I never knew existed when I had to deal with the family law system."

I know you do, which is why I do not want to argue with you about it. You'll just lash out and claim I have no experience in the matter.

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"Again, though, let's not forget how innocent men can get, well, fucked by rape charges."

They estimate 9-10 percent of all rape charges are unfounded. And yeah, that sucks, but it's not a huge percentage. Call me crazy, but the other 90% of women who were actually raped deserve better.

2/29/2008 1:06:45 PM

it's not just about the charges either. Accusations are spread every-fucking-where the second a girl opens her mouth about it, everyone knows the name of the accused, and it can haunt a guy for the rest of his life. The 9-10 percent are the cases that get that far.

But of course, there are sure to be huge numbers of actual rapes that never make it to the courts either.

2/29/2008 1:27:31 PM

every time a guy brings this up, it sounds like he thinks that women lie about rape more than they actually get raped

and that certainly doesn't help women feel justified in bringing legitimate charges, either

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 1:42 PM. Reason : because who's going to believe her? she's just some slut trying to get some money, right? ]

2/29/2008 1:40:34 PM

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"because who's going to believe her? she's just some slut trying to get some money, right?"

right

2/29/2008 1:41:59 PM

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"because who's going to believe her? she's just some slut trying to get some money, right?"

The backlash goes both ways here honey. If rape accusations weren't instantly blown out of proportion and loudmouthed everywhere the second an accusation came up, then men wouldn't be as quick to call women lying whores.

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"They estimate 9-10 percent of all rape charges are unfounded"

false accusations could still fall in the "founded" category, and there are also loads of real rapes that take place while leaving no evidence at all, in addition to the fact that this is a very limited statistic to begin with.

Nobody's saying that women are less trustworthy (except maybe you, i'm not sure). They're not, men are just as bad, if I could get away with the same kind of shit women can, i would.

[Edited on February 29, 2008 at 2:20 PM. Reason : ]

2/29/2008 2:19:39 PM

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"If rape accusations weren't instantly blown out of proportion"

Are you seriously trying to make RAPE into "not a big deal"?

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"if I could get away with the same kind of shit women can, i would"

But that doesn't mean EVERY woman would. A few rapists make you guys look bad, a few liars make us look bad.

I'm sure that's why defense lawyers go for the jugular and try to discredit the women who come forth with rape accusations, but they're actually making it HARDER on women to report rapes because of that.

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"Nobody's saying that women are less trustworthy"

The courts/jurors themselves do. Women are seen as less-credible witnesses, as I've already mentioned.

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 6:32 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2008 6:30:22 PM

what is SHE^ posting here for?

3/1/2008 6:36:43 PM

^ LOL at you saying that

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 6:38 PM. Reason : "precipitate" is a noun and verb, btw]

3/1/2008 6:38:23 PM

3/1/2008 6:39:37 PM

do they really find women less trustworthy or just require evidence before they convict someone for a crime? I'm stretched to think how society could be more accommodating to rape victims.

3/2/2008 7:31:57 AM

I thought this'd be a thread about cooking tips.

3/2/2008 10:22:46 AM