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"Mr. Bananas holds my dog treats for my dog inside of him"

lol

5/3/2008 3:50:35 PM

^^ Probably not as tasty as a medium-rare steak from Ruth's Chris.

[Edited on May 3, 2008 at 3:51 PM. Reason : ]

5/3/2008 3:50:59 PM

lol nm.

[Edited on May 3, 2008 at 4:03 PM. Reason : that wasn't lounge appropriate]

5/3/2008 4:02:43 PM

how is a Oreo cookie being considered vegan? One of the ingredients in them is whey, a milk byproduct.

5/3/2008 5:07:17 PM

The simple answer is I bet that wasn't an Oreo cookie. I'm sure they make vegan cookies that happens to look like Oreos.

5/3/2008 5:14:35 PM

the simple doesn't explain why that is an oreo cookie in that picture. the more complicated answer is that there are vegan recipies floating around that list oreo cookies as being vegan, even though they aren't in the United States. I've heard that they're made with a different vegan ingredient list in Canada, but I don't know how to confirm that.

5/3/2008 5:40:25 PM

Oreos are vegan in the US. They aren't in England.


Ingredients: SUGAR, ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID), HIGH OLEIC CANOLA OIL AND/OR PALM OIL AND/OR CANOLA OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, BAKING SODA, CORNSTARCH, SALT, SOY LECITHIN (EMULSIFIER), VANILLIN-AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR, CHOCOLATE.

(Unless you count the sugar [bone char, etc])

[Edited on May 3, 2008 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ]

5/3/2008 9:12:48 PM

there are indeed a few vegan oreo wannabes at whole foods, however they taste like ball sweat flavored cardboard.

5/4/2008 9:22:43 AM

hardly any sugar is made with bone char


that myth needs to go away

5/4/2008 11:35:40 AM

I don't know where you're getting your info from, because the bag of oreos I looked at last night in the grocery store had whey listed as an ingredient.

maybe there's a difference in the different flavors they sell.

[Edited on May 4, 2008 at 1:52 PM. Reason : I only looked at the double stuf oreos.]

5/4/2008 1:50:02 PM

The bag of normal Oreos has no whey.

5/4/2008 2:27:12 PM

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"CHOCOLATE"

Doesn't the chocolate contain milk?

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BTW, I love how some people become vegans/vegetarians and then eat crap food.

But I guess that's my fault for thinking that vegan/vegetarian = necessarily healthy.

Just as there are many omnivores with a healthy diet, there are many vegetarians/vegans with an unhealthy diet.

5/4/2008 7:54:22 PM

most vegans would argue that lean cut of beef is unhealthy just because it came from a cow.

5/4/2008 8:27:12 PM

^lol, nah dude. i don't really think so.

^^oh, and not all chocolate contains milk.

what i sometimes wonder about is "natural flavors." i see that a lot on nutrition labels
and I wonder what exactly that means, but I just kinda hope they would tell you if there was some dairy in the natural flavors.

[Edited on May 4, 2008 at 9:17 PM. Reason : dte]

5/4/2008 9:14:50 PM

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"BTW, I love how some people become vegans/vegetarians and then eat crap food. But I guess that's my fault for thinking that vegan/vegetarian = necessarily healthy. Just as there are many omnivores with a healthy diet, there are many vegetarians/vegans with an unhealthy diet."

I hardly consider baking cupcakes with Oreos every once in a while an unhealthy diet.

5/5/2008 12:10:27 AM

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"^^oh, and not all chocolate contains milk."

do you really expect to OREOS to contain vegan chocolate with soymilk or something, or them to contain dark chocolate, not milk chocolate?

i think y'all should research this. i mean, if you are hardcore vegans, how can you see the label, read "CHOCOLATE" and just assume it doesn't contain milk? unless you have already researched it, OREOS are not necessarily vegan.


^ well, if it is once in a while, then it is ok. but how about actually taking the initiative to experiment and learning to make healthy vegan desserts, instead of those sugar, ultra-finely pulverized white flour, and vegetable oil morsels of diabetes and heart disease?

5/5/2008 5:16:55 AM

^well, yea I wouldn't just assume that "chocolate" meant vegan chocolate, and i'm pretty sure most vegans wouldn't either, but I actually think a lot of chocolate in candies and stuff you buy isn't milk chocolate. i mean i'm not a choc expert bc i personally don't eat a lot of sweets in general, but i'm pretty sure there are multiple kinds of chocolate that don't have dairy. i mean i know a lot of recipes call for cocoa and shit, but whatever....

on a side note i agree about oils and stuff in those sweets. i mean why would people even use veg/olive oil is beyond me, if you look at the label it's like 14g of fat for 1tbsp, but "everything in moderation including moderation" i suppose.

[Edited on May 5, 2008 at 8:08 AM. Reason : jkh]

5/5/2008 8:06:25 AM

^^

They are vegan. Deal with it. They would have to declare the milk product due to allergy issues. If you do a simple google search, it's pretty much well defined that the plain bag of Oreos is vegan.

[Edited on May 5, 2008 at 8:17 AM. Reason : ]

5/5/2008 8:16:52 AM

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"instead of those sugar, ultra-finely pulverized white flour, and vegetable oil morsels of diabetes and heart disease"

as far as this topic goes, quoting the 1st post "...where to find good vegan desserts other than Whole Foods..."

id say the cupcakes fit the bill.

So calm down the extremism/emo and lets get back to topic?

5/5/2008 8:45:29 AM

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"i mean why would people even use veg/olive oil is beyond me, if you look at the label it's like 14g of fat for 1tbsp,"

Olive oil is high in mono-unsaturated fat and high in antioxidants. It helps prevent heart disease by raising HDL (good cholesterol) levels and lowering LDL (bad cholesterol) levels. The antioxidants help prevent cancer and disease. It has a high ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6 fats which helps brain function and may play a role in preventing mental illness and Alzheimer's.

You have to take in fat to survive. Olive oil is one of the best sources for the fat you are eating. You don't add olive oil to your diet. You substitute it in the place of other fats. Replace other oils, butter, margarine, etc. with olive oil. Use it in your salad dressings. In the long run you'll be much better off for having done it.

[Edited on May 5, 2008 at 12:03 PM. Reason : l]

5/5/2008 12:01:51 PM

I'm not a vegan/vegetarian, but I just wanted to state that I love olive oil

5/5/2008 12:10:30 PM

whenever something calls for olive oil, i'll either put a little in the pot then slide it around a little so there's a light layer on the buttom then empty it out, or i'll just substitute lemon and garlic, lol, although i know it's not the same at all

5/5/2008 7:03:28 PM

wow, i had no idea oreos were vegan haha.

5/5/2008 7:37:12 PM

^^ Got something against olive oil?

5/5/2008 7:39:56 PM

^i just think it's not worth it for all the fat it has, although i will say that i just ate some dinner my roomie made that used a lot of olive oil, so i mean whatever, but i try to eat it very very rarely, if i'm the one cooking, i will probably try to think of a substitute for it.

[Edited on May 5, 2008 at 9:36 PM. Reason : dfs]

5/5/2008 9:36:01 PM

Quote :

"You have to take in fat to survive. Olive oil is one of the best sources for the fat you are eating. You don't add olive oil to your diet. You substitute it in the place of other fats."

5/6/2008 10:28:14 AM

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"^i just think it's not worth it for all the fat it has, [...] if i'm the one cooking, i will probably try to think of a substitute for it."

that's one of the most retarded things i have heard, nutritionally speaking.

not worth it? it is THE fat itself in olive oil that is good unbelievably beneficial for you. so you are complaining about the calories? well, what do you normally use? unless you are using one of those cooking sprays or those engineered low-fat margarines/spreads, you are getting the same calories whether you use corn oil, butter, margarine, shortening, olive oil, etc.

so if you have to get those calries anyway, might as well get them from one of the healthiest foods around: olive oil.

as for a substitute, as i said, if you are using any natural oil or fat, it has the same calories as olive oil.

5/7/2008 6:22:19 PM

http://www.google.com/search?q=olive+oil+benefits&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Lots of articles out there worth reading. Olive oil is good stuff.

5/7/2008 7:08:14 PM

olive oil has 0g of protein. since i'm not eating meat, making sure i get enough protein is a big focus of my diet. thus, i'd much rather pic up my fat while eating foods high in protein (various nuts, beans, etc...) i mean i'd rather pick up 25g of fat and 25g of protein than 25/0......although i do eat olive oil occasionally, lol....


^^i wouldn't substitute any of those things for olive oil actually. you know you're in the vegan thread right?

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 7:43 PM. Reason : klj]

5/7/2008 7:42:00 PM

1. What oils have protein. (I'm asking because I want to know...Not trying to be facetious.)

2. What would you choose before olive oil? Is olive oil not vegan approved?

Seriously though, olive oil is one of the main reasons those fat greeks live to be like 100 years old. It's good stuff as far as I can tell. * Add plenty of fish and you're good to go. (*sorry...forgot this was a vegan thread.)

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 8:58 PM. Reason : l]

5/7/2008 8:52:43 PM

^i don't know if any oils have protein man, that's my point, i'd rather get my fat intake while simultaneously getting protein, but i'm not trying to say olive oil doesn't have benefits, i just feel like a small amount every once in a while is plenty for me.

5/8/2008 2:33:06 AM

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"^^i wouldn't substitute any of those things for olive oil actually. you know you're in the vegan thread right?"

ummm... are you high on grass? i said the following:

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"cooking sprays or those engineered low-fat margarines/spreads [...] corn oil, butter, margarine, shortening"

they are ALL vegan except for butter. so as far as labels are concerned, they are fine, but as far as health is concerned, that's another story.

5/8/2008 6:03:23 AM

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"they are ALL vegan except for butter. so as far as labels are concerned, they are fine, but as far as health is concerned, that's another story."

Most margarine found in a basic grocery store isn't vegan since it still has some milk in it.

5/8/2008 7:58:04 AM

^^they have margarine imitation spreads that are vegan, but most margarine/low-fat butter spread subs have dairy in them. i know bc i often have to search the entire dairy section for a single vegan substitute margarine spread.

and i might've been high when i wrote that, i don't really remember/care to think about it, but that doesn't change the fact that at min half your list is def not vegan.



[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:06 PM. Reason : lkj]

5/8/2008 12:02:54 PM

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"most vegans would argue that lean cut of beef is unhealthy just because it came from a cow."

as to what i wanted to post before i read the page o' debate...

i'm still hunting for a vegan meal to make in the evenings. simple is good (as is cheap), but i also need it to be something i can take leftovers of to work the next day. any ideas?

5/20/2008 9:43:29 AM

lawn clippings

5/20/2008 9:56:50 AM

i made a killer green chilli vegetable pie the other night that heated up well

when i get home ill post the recipe, and yes, it's out of a vegan cookbook

5/20/2008 9:57:11 AM

I love tofu coated in bread crumbs and baked till it's a little crispy, then layered with tomato sauce. I'm not vegan, so I'd make it tofu parm, but it would still be really good without cheese, and it reheats well.

Veggie Chili - it's quick to throw a bunch of stuff together and can use pretty much anything you have on hand, or you can throw all the stuff in a crock pot in the morning and have it waiting on you when you get home.

Stir fry

I'm also a big fan of dishes that you can make in one pot that combine veggies, grain and protein, like http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Barley-and-Mushrooms-with-Beans/Detail.aspx or brown rice with mixed vegetables and beans

5/20/2008 10:01:18 AM

awesome- thanks!

5/20/2008 10:23:49 AM

You can try Mediterranean or Indian grocers. Just don't get the desserts w/ milk in it and you'll be golden.

5/20/2008 3:13:47 PM

i usually do shop at those sorts of places, but its hard to find premade stuff for cheap.

i'm digging the crock pot idea- i might try that tomorrow.

5/20/2008 4:00:07 PM

skwinkle, what do you coat the tofu with before breading it? what temp do you cook it at, and for about how long? it sounds pretty good....

5/20/2008 4:13:41 PM

Usually I just don't completely squeeze the tofu, since it's naturally pretty squishy and wet enough to hold on some breading. Or if I feel like it I'll use an egg wash, but again that's not vegan. You could also brush on a smidge of olive oil, which would be good flavor-wise and sticky-coating wise.

After I bread the slices I throw them on a pan in the toaster oven and spritz them with a little olive oil spray, then bake for just 5 - 8 minutes or something (sorry, I don't really time things very much - just watch till it's turning a little crispy). Then layer with sauce (put a little layer of sauce on the bottom of the pan so the flavor gets in that layer too). Bake that at 350-375, theoretically for 30 minutes or so, but I usually get impatient since the tofu is already hot from being toasted prior and only leave it in there for 15 or so.

5/20/2008 5:04:24 PM

Sometimes I use a soymilk/corn starch mix to get the breading to stick.

5/20/2008 6:00:51 PM

I went to a vegan potluck the other day, it was actually pretty fun. i got a lot of good ideas for recipes and stuff, and also got to meet some new people (curried tofu is so awesome with some steamed veggies, rice and maybe a little cocunut milk or something btw). you guys should think about having one in raleigh.

oh and pilgrim, def post that recipe, bc chicken pot pie was for real one of my fave foods growing up, so if ur recipe tastes anything like that, then i might have to make it.

5/20/2008 7:35:35 PM

i made this the other night.. looks good, tastes good, reheated well for taking a real meal to work for lunch... out of a vegan book... however next time i do it im going to double the recipe, and cook it in a meatloaf tin instead of a pie pan

2cups frozen corn kernels, thawed
1/4 cup minced red onion
4oz can of diced green chiles, drained (i actually used a can and diced up some jalapenos too)
3 tbspn chopped canned (jarred) pimientos
8oz soft tofu, squeezed and crumbled
1/4cup yellow cornmeal
2 tbspn unbleached flour
1 tspn chili powder (i used more, i dig it)
1 tspn sugar
3/4 tspn salt
2/3 tspn baking powder
black pepper

your choice of either homemade or whatever vegan salsa you use

preheat oven, 375f
combine corn, onion, chiles, and pimientos in big bowl
in food processor combine tofu, cornmeal, flour, chilipowder, sugar, baking powder, salt, and black pepper until smooth
fold into bowl with corn and things
transfer into 10" lightly oiled pie plate and smooth top
bake until firm and browned, 30-35 minutes... let it rest for a few, then cut it up like a pie

serve with the salsa

very simple, and ~5-10 minutes prep

most of the things you'll have around or are cheap to pick up

[Edited on May 20, 2008 at 7:49 PM. Reason : e]


[Edited on May 20, 2008 at 7:50 PM. Reason : im not a vegan, just used to cook for one that was a roomate and explore all my cookbooks]

5/20/2008 7:48:12 PM

sweet dude, that sounds really good...i'll prob triple the chili powder, but im a feen for chilis. didn't know you were into cooking, i just got a lot more into when i started eating vegan, but cooking is actually a lot of fun.

5/20/2008 9:25:06 PM

cooking is one of my things

i live in a total batchelor pad, but have more kitchen gadgets and small appliances than your grandmother

5/20/2008 9:32:20 PM

Quote :

"what i sometimes wonder about is "natural flavors." i see that a lot on nutrition labels and I wonder what exactly that means, but I just kinda hope they would tell you if there was some dairy in the natural flavors."

They actually talk about that in Fast Food Nation.

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"Natural flavours and artificial flavors sometimes contain exactly the same chemicals, produced through different methods. Amyl acetate, for example, provides the dominant note of banana flavor. When it is distilled from bananas with a solvent, amyl acetate is a natural flavor. When it is produced by mixing vinegar with amyl alcohol and adding sulfuric acid as a catalyst, amyl acetate is an artificial flavor. Either way it smells and tastes the same. "Natural flavor" is now listed among the ingredients of everything from Health Valley Blueberry Granola Bars to Taco Bell Hot Taco Sauce. A natural flavor is not necessarily more healthful or purer than an artificial one. When almond flavor -- benzaldehyde -- is derived from natural sources, such as peach and apricot pits, it contains traces of hydrogen cyanide, a deadly poison. Benzaldehyde derived by mixing oil of clove and amyl acetate does not contain any cyanide. Nevertheless, it is legally considered an artificial flavor and sells at a much lower price. Natural and artificial flavors are now manufactured at the same chemical plants, places that few people would associate with Mother Nature."

5/21/2008 4:53:01 AM

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5/27/2008 1:05:10 PM