you guys are so far on obama's dick, i might as well stop wasting my time...he is truly flawless and anyone who dares question his divine perfection is certainly a racist or something bad

and i'm not voting for any of the 3 candidates, so you simpletons will have to come up with something better than "oh yeah well mccain blah blah blah"

it would be funny if you could find a quote of robertson or falwell saying "god damn america"

i just remember when salisburyboy would make his claims about whites creating AIDS to kill blacks, the posts were treated as any salisburyboy post

but when Wright says the same things...oh it must be context

4/28/2008 12:55:48 PM

i aint saying obama is perfect but i definitely think he is the best of the 3 candidates to lead the US

4/28/2008 12:59:41 PM

you can't find those quotes, but you can find this:

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system..


p.s. no one is arguing infallibility, except you and your friends when it comes to the US.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 1:00 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 1:00:11 PM

No one said that was the specific one that came out of context. Also, i doubt all of us are planning to vote for obama, as i know i'm not. Its more my distaste for complete idiocy that keeps me interested in what you have to say.

4/28/2008 1:00:23 PM

I am voting for McCain. I'll unabashedly admit it.


And the usual suspects here hate Christianity... until they find a Christian who hates.

4/28/2008 1:01:14 PM

Yeah, Wright's speech last night definitely was all about hate

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 1:02 PM. Reason : oh wait, nevermind, it was the opposite]

4/28/2008 1:02:10 PM

i have no issues with christianity. i do, however, have issues with christians who use their religion as automatic substantiation of narrow-minded and biased views.

4/28/2008 1:02:56 PM

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"haha, nice. Case in point. "

I know...case in point because it's obvious that he is a racist. Anyone without shit for brains can see that. There is no other need for anyone to try to "prove" it.

4/28/2008 1:03:30 PM

honestly i'm one of those people that is tired of hearing about religion in politics...i act like i'm catholic but thats what all the catholics say

4/28/2008 1:03:36 PM

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"narrow-minded and biased views"

You mean like how Wright for about an hour last night made a speech on how just because someone else is different, that doesn't mean they're inferior? Narrow-minded and biased like that?

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 1:06 PM. Reason : "different, not deficient" were the words]

4/28/2008 1:04:18 PM

most likely not since i wasn't talking about anyone in particular and was making a point about something that as a whole bothers me.

4/28/2008 1:06:37 PM

gotcha - my bad

4/28/2008 1:08:48 PM

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 1:13:31 PM

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"I know...case in point because it's obvious that he is a racist. Anyone without shit for brains can see that. There is no other need for anyone to try to "prove" it. "

From my position, you're the racist. You hate black people, and it's obvious.

4/28/2008 1:18:38 PM

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"i just remember when salisburyboy would make his claims about whites creating AIDS to kill blacks, the posts were treated as any salisburyboy post "

I've never defended Wright's AIDS comments. He was an idiot to say that. But Wright has said many things on AIDS, and that quote was not characteristic of them.

But the God Damn America and everything else attributed to Wright has been taken out of context.

4/28/2008 1:21:12 PM

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"I've never defended Wright's AIDS comments. He was an idiot to say that. But Wright has said many things on AIDS, and that quote was not characteristic of them."

Indeed, Wright may have done some great things with the Chicago black population. But when you make inflammatory comments such as the ones playing endlessly on the MSM, then you have to expect that you will be marginalized, as he subsequently has.

4/28/2008 1:29:06 PM

so you are now acknowledging that the quotes were taken completely out of context?

4/28/2008 1:30:36 PM

this thread is just a written form of the white people/black people animated gif.

4/28/2008 1:32:53 PM

^^ No I'm not. I am saying that when you say shit like that, expect to be marginalized. Don't want to be marginalized? Don't make shit up like that.

4/28/2008 1:47:19 PM

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"I don't understand him, he must be a nut. "

By actually listening to the man, Ive determined he is a nut. Do I care to understand him? I have about as much interest as understanding this idiot as I do manson, david duke, or the black panthers. This country would be alot better off without all of the above.


As for this NUT. From his "great speech":

He said it also means rooting out "any teaching of superiority, inferiority, hatred or prejudice" and recognizing that each person "is one of God's children ... no better, no worse."

"Only then will liberation, transformation and reconciliation become realities and cease being ever-elusive ideals," he said.



hahah. Oh the hypocrisy. Im sure the "US of KKK" will go along ways towards his "goals".

4/28/2008 1:47:40 PM

omg you compared a freaking preacher to manson?


really???

4/28/2008 1:50:07 PM

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" I have about as much interest as understanding this idiot as I do manson, david duke, or the black panthers."

So you are basically admitting that you are purposefully keeping yourself ignorant on some issues that you love arguing on the internet about.

You basically definted yourself as a troll

4/28/2008 2:02:23 PM

ignorant? How do you figure?

If someone says the govt created HIV to kill blacks and says the US of KKK, I automatically discount them and choose to not waste any of my time trying to understand this level of crazy.

Whatever you choose to do with your time is your business, but defending this asshole is ridiculous.

Yes, terp. I just LOVE defending manson, david duke and the black panthers on the internet. Again, you've got me pegged. Were you born with such abilities or did you have special training?

4/28/2008 2:18:25 PM

Wow, you love misinterpreting statements to respond with those retarded sarcastic answers

Just like Treetwista

4/28/2008 2:24:59 PM

we're all the same person, LOL.


and what makes his statements any more crazy than Wrights? Afterall, Wright has an audience.

Why are you quick to trounce statements made on here but dismiss inflammatory comments made by Wright?

4/28/2008 2:26:30 PM

Everyone needs to damn well sure know who they're voting for.

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"The Rev. Jeremiah Wright said Monday that he will try to change national policy by “coming after” Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) if he is elected president. The pastor also insisted Obama “didn’t denounce” him and “didn’t distance himself” from Wright’s controversial remarks, but “did what politicians do.” Wright implied Obama still agrees with him by saying: “He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was [portrayed as] anti-American.” Wright, who was Obama’s pastor for 20 years and performed his wedding, made the explosive comment during a chaotic question-and-answer session at the National Press Club in Washington, following the pastor’s remarks about the black church in America. “I said to Barack Obama last year, ‘If you get elected, November the 5th I'm coming after you, because you'll be representing a government whose policies grind under people,’ Wright said."

That right there. I cannot and will not vote for Barack Obama. He is joined at the hip with this guy and I am afraid of the influence he has over Obama.

From later in the article

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""He didn't distance himself. He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was [portrayed as] anti-American. ...He did, as I said, what politicians do.""

If I didn't know any better, I would believe that Karl Rove was feeding Wright his talking points. Sounds like a GOP TV ad to me.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9912.html

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 2:44:34 PM

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"He is joined at the hip with this guy and I am afraid of the influence he has over Obama. "

aahahahahahahahahaha

That clip you quoted is such bullshit. Wright distanced himself FROM Obama in the speech. It doesn't surprise me you'd jump in for the spin though. You LOVE that shit!!!

lol

4/28/2008 3:00:51 PM

i like the back and forth of wright and obama's relationship...how it always changes...have they distanced themselves from each other? like the "crazy uncle" in the family? or are they still close? if they're still close, anybody has good reason to be afraid of the influence he could have over obama if obama is president...if they're not still close...well that means obama's spiritual advisor over the last 20 years just gets thrown under the bus?

from that perspective its a lose lose for obama

but when you entrench a radical racist in your life for 20 years, you're setting yourself up for failure

4/28/2008 3:17:49 PM

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" Indeed, Wright may have done some great things with the Chicago black population. But when you make inflammatory comments such as the ones playing endlessly on the MSM, then you have to expect that you will be marginalized, as he subsequently has. "

I have no problem with people marginalizing Wright's comments if they perceive them as wonky, that would probably even be the best thing to do.

The problem is that people are assuming that Obama is the one that thinks Whitey created AIDS, or try to make that implication, which is absurd. The other problem is that people are painting Wright to be a racist, when the evidence says otherwise, but then are refusing to explain why they think this.

And Obama stated pretty blatantly that he still is fond of Wright in his first post-Wright speech, and he must be, considering how long he's known him. After Wright's speech, it should be obvious why (it wasn't as good as Obama's, but Wright is not a general nutjob, just your typical religious nutjob) But there is nothing to indicate that Wright, and especially Obama, actually hate white people.

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"Wright implied Obama still agrees with him by saying: “He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was [portrayed as] anti-American.” "

This is a completely disingenuous statement. Obama did distance himself from Wright, likely do in part to political reasons, but this doesn't imply "agreement." I have friends and had a pastor that I definitely didn't agree with for everything, so it doesn't make sense that me calling them friends means I "agree" with them. But Obama has no reason to hate Wright or to think he's completely crazy.

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"“I said to Barack Obama last year, ‘If you get elected, November the 5th I'm coming after you, because you'll be representing a government whose policies grind under people,’ Wright said." "

What's wrong with this? Do you disagree that the gov.'s current policies don't grind under people? Because last time I checked, most people on TWW disagreed with a lot (if not most) of what the gov. does.

4/28/2008 3:18:15 PM

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"The problem is that people are assuming that Obama is the one that thinks Whitey created AIDS, or try to make that implication"

I agree with this, however

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"people are painting Wright to be a racist, when the evidence says otherwise"

how do some people still not think Wright is a racist??? what evidence suggests otherwise???

4/28/2008 3:20:23 PM

i dont think he is racist

4/28/2008 3:21:06 PM

i'm sure wright is thrilled to have your endorsement

4/28/2008 3:21:47 PM

^^^
1) http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=TRINITYCHGO Wright's sermons
2) Wright actively invites whites to his church
3) Trinity united is the only black church in its denomination
4) Wright's statements are not racist, if you choose to take them out of context, he's anti-American at the worst
5) Wright's recent speech calling for recognition of differences as not being deficient
6) Wright's good friend Obama is half-white, and was raised by white people
7) you think he's racist, and you're almost always wrong, so he must not be racist

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:24 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 3:24:41 PM

I'm not a racist either!

4/28/2008 3:25:35 PM

endorsement for what?

4/28/2008 3:26:26 PM

JUST KEEP ON TALKING MR. WRIGHT!!!

4/28/2008 3:28:05 PM

oh also, yes i invented aids to kill black people. dammit they found out.

4/28/2008 3:28:55 PM

Wright made an hour long speech yesterday, most of which had to do with how people in the world should view others that aren't like them as different, but not deficient - yet you still call him a racist.

You just won't let go, it seems you hate Obama, and you love the thought that Wright is a racist.

There's nothing he could do to convince you he isn't a racist huh? You'd rather base your opinion off a 30 second fox news soundbite truncated from 30 years of preaching - that's easy and conforms with what you want to believe about the black churches.

4/28/2008 3:31:17 PM

^
nail -> head

4/28/2008 3:32:59 PM

i hope some white guy gets up and screams about how evil black people are over the pulpit at church. watch the backlash, and public outrage.

watch your stupid shit theory about equality and allowing people a second chance to redeem themselves get washed down the tube.

4/28/2008 3:33:51 PM

if i were a republican i wouldnt want to talk about the issues either

4/28/2008 3:34:13 PM

^ you didn't see obamas interview did you yesterday?

figures. answered 1 of about 20 questions. the rest completely dodged. in fact he said "im going to punt on that one" to one of the questions too. lol

4/28/2008 3:35:34 PM

he doesn't watch FAUX NEWS LOLOLOLOLOL C WUT I DID THUR?

4/28/2008 3:38:21 PM

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"i hope some white guy gets up and screams about how evil black people are over the pulpit at church. "

First of all, this has happened before - it's a part of America's history. Wright never screamed about how "evil white people are" - he merely mentioned America's racist history a couple times. You are calling Wright a racist because he refernced America's racist history.

Are you denying America has had a racist history?

4/28/2008 3:38:53 PM

i'm watching fox now...9pm fox is the best news channel to watch...olberman or king on msnbc/cnn respectively

4/28/2008 3:40:42 PM

^^

no

i am saying that i'm trying to find a reason to vote for obama.

but when his preacher of 20 years and the guy who married him and long time friend says evil shit about my heritage and race and culture and then condemns the greatest country on earth followed by a bunch of pussy defense and excuses for it and not taking credit for it like a man of god and accepting his faults for what he said....

no. that will not be helping me vote for obama.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 3:41:40 PM

why did wright feel the need to make a speech promoting equality? i mean if he has never said anything racist, why does he feel the need to make an explicitly anti-racist, equality speech?

i'm still puzzled as to why the obama supporters who personally don't have a problem with wright's anti-american comments (does everyone at least admit that wright has at minimum made anti-american comments in the past?) don't realize the fact that obama is running for president of THE UNITED STATES and wright's anti-american comments were anti THE UNITED STATES...yet you dont think any other americans might have a problem with this? again, regardless of your personal opinions, are you really ignorant to the fact that some americans might have a problem with one of the presidential candidates' 20 year spiritual advisors having so much negative criticism of the country whose presidential position obama is running for?

4/28/2008 3:41:42 PM

Right on Rat....Liberls like Obama are the champs of not talking about Issues. Sometimes I watch an interview or debate and I feel like you can interchange all of his answers no matter what the question.

"We need change from this current administration by inspiring people through hope ect. ect. ect...."

4/28/2008 3:42:27 PM

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" says evil shit about my heritage and race and culture "

What did Wright say that was evil about your heritage and race and culture?

4/28/2008 3:42:41 PM

^^^ If you really think you're not racist, why do you feel the need to continuously say that you aren't?

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"Liberls like Obama are the champs of not talking about Issues. Sometimes I watch an interview or debate and I feel like you can interchange all of his answers no matter what the question."

This is just plain ludicrous. Politicians in general dodge issues like the plague, when was the last time McCain actually talked meaningfully about issues? Was it on his reminisce-about-high-school tour? Or the time he said he'd find a 100 billion dollars lying around to pay for stuff? Of all the politicians, Obama confronts the issues the most, and in the most honest way.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:46 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 3:43:53 PM