I have seen plenty of horrible owners take their dogs on walks on trails and what not, but I have never seen them take their dogs to places like a restaurant. Every time I have seen a dog on a patio at a restaurant, it has been near perfectly behaved.

Realistically, very few people are going to go to the trouble of bringing their dog to a restaurant if they know they can't control it and are going to spend a majority of the meal yanking on a leash.

5/9/2008 5:27:15 PM

The argument some of you are using could be applied to children, also. If a kid/dog is well-behaved, what the hell is the problem? If a kid/dog is acting up, being loud and disruptive, I would expect the parent/owner not to bring it, or to at least train it better first.

I bring my dog to as many places as I can. He loves going with me, and the exposure to new environments is good for him because it teaches him to stay calm. I've brought him to the Village Draft House, The Borough, and The Raleigh Times before. I mean geez, the owner of The Borough freakin loves dogs.. she'll bring him a bowl of water out and pet him forever. I love seeing dogs out with their owners!

5/9/2008 6:02:55 PM

well as long as you're ok with it

Quote :

"everyone does not think that, don't be silly. "

JUST LIKE EVERYONE DOESNT AGREE WITH DOGS IN RESTAURANTS. NOW YOU SHOULD QUIT BEING SILLY TOO.

and who gives a fuck what stores in NY allow? Are you really comparing NY to NC?

5/9/2008 7:15:30 PM

^you need to relax. No I wasn't comparing NY to NC. I was showing you that even some very high end stores have no problem with dogs coming in. And clearly they're of a higher status than yourself.

[Edited on May 9, 2008 at 7:21 PM. Reason : k]

5/9/2008 7:21:22 PM

aha CALM DOWN!!11

im outta control over here watch out.

So exactly what is my status since you know me so well?


By the way captain status, reference the TITLE OF THE THREAD, and then reference your list, and please tell me which of those on your list are restaurants.

Quote :

"Shopping Centers Time Warner Center -10 Columbus Circle New York Stores Banana Republic -130 East 59th Street New York Bed Bath and Beyond -410 East 61st Street New York Bergdorf Goodman's -754 5th Ave (57th and 5th Avenue) New York Bloomingdale's -1000 Third Avenue New York Bloomingdale's -59th Street and Lexington Avenue New York Doggy Style Gift Shop -100 Thompson Street New York Downtown Doghouse -259 West 18th Street New York For Pets Only Pet Boutique -87 Mercer Street New York Petco Pet Store - 86th St. -147-149 East 86th St. New York Petco Pet Store - 92nd/Broadway -2475 Broadway New York Petco Pet Store - Union Square -860 Broadway New York Polo Ralph Lauren -72nd & Madison New York Restoration Hardware -935 Broadway New York Saks Fifth Avenue -611 Fifth Avenue New York The Gap -59th Street and Lexington Avenue New York Tiffany's -Fifth Avenue at 57th Street New York Tourneau -12 East 57th Street New York "

[Edited on May 9, 2008 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2008 7:25:16 PM

^and I'm not even gonna answer that statement since its clear as day.

status of someone that freaks out on tww about dogs, thats who.

[Edited on May 9, 2008 at 7:29 PM. Reason : I DIDN'T POST RESTAURANTS B/C THERE'S TOO MANY, BUT YOU ASK, YOU RECEIVE]

Bars:
119 Bar Gramercy
11th Street Bar East Village
2A East Village
Ace Bar East Village
Angry Wade's Carroll Gardens
Anotheroom TriBeCa
Antarctica SoHo
Bar Great Harry Carroll Gardens
Barcade Williamsburg
BarK @ Cowgirl Hall of Fame West Village
Beast Prospect Heights
Boat Boerum Hill
Boxcar Lounge East Village
Brooklyn Ale House Williamsburg
B-side East Village
Chibi's Bar NoLita
Ciao West Village
Clem's Williamsburg
Crudo Lower East Side
d.b.a. East Village
Daddy-O West Village
Diner Williamsburg
Drop Off Service/The Dancing Bull East Village
East River Williamsburg
Fàilte Irish Whiskey Bar Murray Hill
Fetch Upper East Side
Floyd, NY Brooklyn Heights
Franklin Park Prospect Heights
French Roast West Village
Ginger’s Bar Park Slope
Gowanus Yacht Club Carroll Gardens
Grassroots Tavern East Village
Hogs & Heifers Meatpacking District
Jeremy's Ale House Wall Street
JP Mustard Wall Street
JP Warde's East Village
Kili Boerum Hill
Lakeside Lounge East Village
Local 138 Lower East Side
Mama's Bar East Village
Matchless Greenpoint
Milano's NoLita
Moonshine Red Hook
Mr. Biggs Hell's Kitchen
Patio Lounge Park Slope
Pedro’s DUMBO
Push Café Gramercy
Reade Street Pub & Kitchen TriBeCa
Redd’s Tavern Williamsburg
Senor Swanky's UWS Upper West Side
Soft Spot Williamsburg
St. Dymphna’s East Village
Sweet Cafe Upper East Side
Tavern on Jane West Village
The Gate Park Slope
The Mark Bar Greenpoint
The Phoenix East Village
The Scratcher East Village
The West 79th Street Boat Basin Café Upper West Side
Tile Bar East Village
Tortilla Flats West Village
Uncle Ming's East Village
Union Pool Williamsburg
Urge Lounge East Village
V Bar & Café West Village
VON NoHo
Welcome to the Johnsons Lower East Side
White Horse Tavern West Village
Zablozki’s Williamsburg
Zum Schneider Bavarian Beer House East Village


Outdoor Restaurants

79th Street Boat Basin -West 79th Street New York
Allegria -1350 Ave of the Americas New York
Amaranth Restaurant -21 East 62nd St. New York
Amish Market -17 Battery Place New York
Barking Dog Luncheonette -1453 York Ave New York
Cascina -281 Bleecker St New York
Da Rosina Ristorante -342 W 46th St New York
Dolci on Park Caffe -66 Mercer St New York
F &B Gudt Food Restaurant -150 East 52nd St New York
F &B Gudt Food Restaurant -269 W 23rd St New York
Fetch -1649 Third Avenue New York
Firehouse -522 Columbus Avenue New York
Fratelli Ristorante -115 Mulberry St New York
Gavroche -212 West 14th Street New York
Grey Dog's Cafe -33 Carmine St New York
Heartland Brewery & Beer Hall -93 South Street at Fulton New York
Il Porto -11 Fulton Street New York
Kaijou -21 S End Ave New York
New Leaf Cafe -1 Margaret Corbin Drive New York
P J Clarke's on the Hudson -250 Vesey Street New York
Phillip Marie Restaurant -569 Hudson New York
San Martin Restaurant -143 E 49th Street New York
Sidewalks -94 Avenue A New York
Sorrento Restaurant -132 Mulberry St New York
The Old Homestead Steakhouse -56 9th Avenue New York
Zocalo -174 E 82nd Street New York

[Edited on May 9, 2008 at 7:34 PM. Reason : all yours]

5/9/2008 7:28:56 PM

QUIT FREAKING OUT MAN

and what does that have to do with

Quote :

"Dog-friendly Restaurants (in Raleigh) "

[Edited on May 9, 2008 at 7:45 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2008 7:35:09 PM

Quote :

" People aren't going to take their dogs out unless their dogs know how to behave."

That's a terrible assumption to make. When I was working for Caribou Coffee we used to have this woman bring her horrible chihuahua to our store. At first she tried to bring him INSIDE and would get huffy when we told her to leave the dog out on the patio. Then while she sat on the patio with the dog it would try to bite the ankles of whoever came into the store that way.

She was the worst example we had but there were some others with asshole dogs too. Just because you're a sensible pet owner doesn't mean everyone is.

As an aside, if you go through the drive-thru at Caribou they'll give your dog a milkbone

5/10/2008 12:07:15 AM

Quote :

"I like how I should be forced to sit somewhere else because someone brought their animal to a restaurant. Why dont you take your dog and go sit inside so i can sit outside?"

You mean reasons aside from law and/or owner policy?

Besides, the only reason you're being "forced" to do anything is because you CHOSE to visit said restaurant, knowing they allow dogs, and you CHOSE to sit outside (with animals) and you CHOSE to be bothered by the fact that said animal might look at you. Incidentally, when you are outside, there are animals all around you, so I'm not quite sure what about having a dog within 20 feet of you is so significantly different or disgusting than the squirrels, mice, flies, mosquitos, birds and spiders within the same radius. Never mind the chemicals and such in the air that you suck in with every glob of food you cram into your maw.

5/10/2008 10:06:54 PM

^or a baby with a dirty diaper.
or the horribly disgusting child with grocery store feet and snot running down his/her nose wiping it off with his/her hand (i was one of those kids)

5/10/2008 10:12:31 PM

Quote :

"jesus christ i don't want a strange dog staring at me while i'm trying to eat my dinner out"

wow

Quote :

"this my friends is the pussification of america"

exactly

5/11/2008 8:12:57 PM

if you dont want to be around dogs, go to a restaurant instead of a bar that serves food

5/11/2008 8:28:08 PM

Quote :

" you CHOSE to visit said restaurant,"

right, if i wanted to be around dogs, Id CHOOSE to go to a dog park.

If i wanted to eat food, Id CHOOSE to go to a restaurant.

5/11/2008 8:57:29 PM

For me... this thread might as well be titled "Restaurants to avoid"

Just like the thread message_topic.aspx?topic=525831 might as well be titled "Apartments to avoid"

To each their own.

^This.

[Edited on May 12, 2008 at 7:19 AM. Reason : -]

5/12/2008 7:17:56 AM

^ aha, have to agree with you on the apartment thread

5/12/2008 7:19:06 AM

Quote :

"If i wanted to eat food, Id CHOOSE to go to a restaurant."

Right, but if you want to eat food AND ALSO not be near animals, then you would (if you had some brain cells to rub together) CHOOSE to go to a restaurant that ALSO did not allow for dogs and did not have an outside seating area. Or if you absolutely must have your plate of 1,000 calories wrapped in trans-fat and fried in chemicals from a very specific place whose over salted taste you can't get anywhere else, you would NOT CHOOSE to be in the area where said proprietors of said restaurant allows dogs.

Still, I can't imagine you're too concerned about your health if you're eating out.

[Edited on May 12, 2008 at 8:45 AM. Reason : x]

5/12/2008 8:44:34 AM

Thing is... most people wouldn't know a restaurant's policy on dogs until someone walked in with a dog and sat at the table next to them.

Gotta admire the people that still cling to the notion that the world revolves around them. Sure, you could argue that people on either side of the debate fall into this category, but when one smoker/dog owner is inconveniencing all the other patrons you've got to wonder.

5/12/2008 9:21:31 AM

Thats alright, when i kick your dog for drooling on me while im eating you wont do a fucking thing about it.

5/12/2008 10:05:54 AM

im so tuff on the internets

5/12/2008 10:07:35 AM

^^^ Your ignorance is not an excuse to force others to conform to some personal standard. If you're concerned, you ask, if you don't ask, it clearly isn't a concern. Just like with the smoking ban this is again a matter of what the owner of a private establishment wants to allow his patrons to do.

^^ Intarweb e-penis fight!!!!one1

Really though, I imagine that you would just sit there, stewing in aggravation, taking your anger out passive aggressively on the poor waitress who's just trying to earn a living and get you out so she can get a better customer at your table and then go home a rant about it on livejournal while cutting yourself and wondering why the pain that is life won't end. Then you'll come back to TWW and brag about how you "fucking beat the shit out of this asshole and his pit bull".

[Edited on May 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM. Reason : yay]

5/12/2008 10:15:57 AM

this is too easy

5/12/2008 10:31:34 AM

^^If people walking into restaurants with dogs was a common enough occurrence (like smokers wanting to go to restaurants and smoke) then concerned people might start asking. As is, why bother? The chances of someone walking in a restaurant with a dog are pretty small. The chances that a restaurant allows dogs is pretty small. Should I start making a questionnaire for restaurants to fill out because of a few issues that should pretty much be uniform across all restaurants?

Quote :

"force others to conform to some personal standard"

Ha. Like bending the will of what would in most cases be the majority of the patrons to accommodate one dork that can't part with his dog for 30 minutes.

5/12/2008 10:49:14 AM

^ Why bother? Because you are concerned and it would get your (royal) panties in a knot if a dog started looking at you. And no, you shouldn't make a standard questionnaire, however, let us examine the facts:

1) In the lovely state of North Carolina, it is legal for dogs to be allowed in outside dinning areas of restaurants at the discretion of the proprietors of said restaurant.

2) Every restaurant that offers an outside dinning area also offers an indoor dining area where dogs are verboten (cookout being the exception that makes the rule).

3) You know, before choosing to patronize a particular restaurant, that in the event that there is an outdoor seating area that you may or may not choose to sit in, that the owner may or may not allow for dogs that may or may not be present with their owners.

Therefore it would seem only logical that in the few instances where you might decide to eat in an outdoor seating area, knowing that a policy of that restaurant may in fact be a policy with which you will have severe mental disagreements with, that you ask about the policy.

This is no more burdensome that asking that a person who does not like mushrooms ask before ordering their philly cheese steak whether said food comes with mushrooms, as opposed to insisting that the restaurant sell it without mushrooms.

As said, you are the one who has a problem with a customer of the restaurant patronizing that restaurant in a manner which is both legal and approved by the proprietors of that restaurant. Therefore the burden is upon you to change you outlook, change your seating or seek another place to eat. Such is the beauty of this great country, where everyone can have a choice and any desire that you could want can be fulfilled provided that it is either profitable or free and not illegal.

And again, I call into question anyone's concern for their health who would eat out at a restaurant where they can not know what goes into their food and in addition eat outside.

5/12/2008 11:28:17 AM

Quote :

"Besides sanitary concerns, other reasons pets are not welcome in restaurants are: Allergies - many people are allergic to dog dander Fleas and tics - not all pet owners are conscientious about grooming their pets Feces/Urine - Both accidents and dingleberries Bites, barking, aggressive behavior - The establishment may be held liable should dogs get into a fight and/or bite another patron. We live in a litigious society. Children - many children are afraid of dogs. Space - blocking wait staff and other patrons Dog/pet hair - Pet hair on food is unappetizing for most people. Diseases - Ringworm, hookworm, staph infections, mites, salmonella, etc. Diseases transmitted by dogs: Salmonella: “Humans and domestic or wild animals: poultry/eggs, swine, cattle and rodents, and pets such as turtles, chicks, dogs and cats.” “Ingestion of fecal material containing the bacteria via undercooked meats or eggs, contaminated food or tableware, and untreated public water supplies.” Staph: “Humans are the most common source, but cows, dogs and fowl also can be a source. It is estimated that 40-50% of healthy adults carry staph. bacteria in nasal passages, throat, hands and skin. These bacteria also are found in infected cuts, boils, burns, abrasions and pimples.” If you read the entire article, ironically, you’ll see the majority of food borne illnesses are transmitted by humans! http://www.restaurant.org/foodsafety/how_to_pathogens.cfm Here is a list of other diseases spread by dogs (and other animals) http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/browse_by_diseases.htm+dogs+spread+disease+%2B+food+preparation&hl=en" target="_blank">http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:BEGHO2sZkIgJ:http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/browse_by_diseases.htm+dogs+spread+disease+%2B+food+preparation&hl=en “Fleas, lice, ticks and harvest mites are common ectoparasites of dogs. Appropriate treatment must be carried out if they are found on any of the dogs. When treating these infestations it is important to take account of the life cycle of the parasite in order to achieve maximum control or even eradication. For instance, simply killing the adult flea is unlikely to provide adequate control. Several mange mites affect dogs, including Demodey folliculorum, Sarcoptes scabiei and Cheyletiella, all of which attack the skin and Otodectes, which is most common seen in the ears. Any of these infestations can cause severe illness in puppies and older dogs. Some of these parasites can cause disease in humans. Ringworm can be passed to humans. Early diagnosis and thorough treatment is essential if the disease is to be controlled.” http://www.allerdale.gov.uk/main.asp?page=145 "

5/12/2008 11:36:50 AM

I'm a dog guy, I hate cats

but I really don't want dogs at the restaurants I'm eating at

5/12/2008 12:15:53 PM

Quote :

"Still, I can't imagine you're too concerned about your health if you're eating out."

this is such an fucking dumb post that it needed to be quoted. b/c there is no way to eat healthy when eating out.

5/12/2008 12:22:03 PM

^^^Cute, but as I said, you are eating outside:

Mosquito diseases:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/list_mosquitoborne.htm

Never mind all the crap you can pickup just by sitting at the table:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/09/18/hand.washing/

Quote :

"Percentage of people who said they wash their hands after using a public restroom vs. percentage who actually did Men: 92% vs. 58% Women: 97% vs. 75%"

And remember, someone else is cooking your food:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/foodborneinfections_g.htm#mostcommon

Quote :

"Calicivirus, or Norwalk-like virus is an extremely common cause of foodborne illness, though it is rarely diagnosed, because the laboratory test is not widely available. It causes an acute gastrointestinal illness, usually with more vomiting than diarrhea, that resolves within two days. Unlike many foodborne pathogens that have animal reservoirs, it is believed that Norwalk-like viruses spread primarily from one infected person to another. Infected kitchen workers can contaminate a salad or sandwich as they prepare it, if they have the virus on their hands. Infected fishermen have contaminated oysters as they harvested them. "

Nearly half of the food borne disease outbreaks from 1993 - 1997 were the result of commercial food establishments:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/473164

And is that guy sitting next to you sick?

http://www.ciesin.org/TG/HH/vb1.gif

http://www.ciesin.org/TG/HH/vb2.gif


And again, no one here is saying that all restaurants should allow dogs everywhere. But you freaking out over fido sitting 20 feet away because you chose to sit OUTSIDE at a restaurant that you knew (or were willfully ignorant of) allows dogs is your own problem, not anyone else's.


^ Not if you're so concerned about fido. If the dog sitting 20 feet away from you is enough to make you freak out about being infected by a fly landing on it's dingleberries, then there is no way in hell you should be comfortable letting some unknown handle and cook your food.

[Edited on May 12, 2008 at 12:24 PM. Reason : es]

5/12/2008 12:22:40 PM

So it's your opinion that it's perfectly fine to introduce more potential contaminants into the environment because there are already several existing potential contaminants in the environment?

Existing contaminants that are routinely inspected for by the health department I might add.

[Edited on May 12, 2008 at 12:36 PM. Reason : -]

5/12/2008 12:28:25 PM

I think it's his opinion that worrying about catching something from a dog is silly when there are myriad other contaminants that are much more likely to be a problem than someone's dog chilling near where you're eating.

it's like retards who are so scared of dying in a plane crash, but have no problems driving/riding on roads where they are more likely to be killed in an accident.

5/12/2008 12:38:44 PM

I'd be more worried about being bit than anything. Granted the dogs people bring to restaurants aren't the ones that would bite someone or be aggressive but the one sure way to not get bit is to not allow dogs.

[Edited on May 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM. Reason : n -]

5/12/2008 12:44:59 PM

then we can ban dogs from being within 50 feet of sidewalk cafes

after that we can ban dogs from the city limits

5/12/2008 12:50:54 PM

Quote :

"this my friends is the pussification of america."

Joie said it best. There's nothing else to really say to these people if a dog 20 ft away OUTSIDE is a health concern to them.

5/12/2008 12:54:10 PM

im glad you guys finally agree with me

5/12/2008 12:59:34 PM

i think we should ban eating outdoors...its just too dangerous

5/12/2008 1:00:05 PM

totally agree

5/12/2008 1:00:38 PM

5/12/2008 1:02:11 PM

Quote :

"it's like retards who are so scared of dying in a plane crash, but have no problems driving/riding on roads where they are more likely to be killed in an accident."

at the same time, the acceptance of dogs in eateries is coddling people who just can't stand to leave their dog at home for an hour to go eat (hence the "where can I take my horse?" parody)

I don't necessarily have an opinion either way, so long as your child or dog is under control (children are much more of a fucking bother most of the time anyhow)

[Edited on May 12, 2008 at 1:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2008 1:33:33 PM

Quote :

"Granted the dogs people bring to restaurants aren't the ones that would bite someone or be aggressive"

Incorrect.

5/13/2008 11:28:23 PM

Why do you people hate America?

If it's not your restaurant you don't get to decide what goes on there in the vast, vast majority of cases. There are a few laws that regulate health and safety, but on matters like smoking vs. non-smoking, ID checks after certain hours, whether they allow animals, etc. you have absolutely no fucking say in the matter.

If you don't like it don't frequent said location. It's just like people who bitch about things on TV. If you don't like it, don't watch it. You don't get to vote on business decisions of company's you have no stake in. If you own stock you get to vote (I sent in my vote info for an upcoming shareholders meeting of a certain company a few weeks ago), if you don't then the only way you get to vote is with your wallet. If a given policy is bad for business then the majority of the time a business will change that policy very quickly.

That's they way capitalism works, if you don't like then come up with a better system because none of the other one's have ever proven to be even marginally worthwhile.

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:48 PM. Reason : The world doesn't care about you, deal with it.]

5/13/2008 11:45:43 PM

i don't think people are like obsessed with their dogs and can't leave them alone to go eat. and i think people who bring their dogs places do it infrequently. i think its more like "i just went on a run/to the park/walk with my dog, i'm out, i'm hungry/thirsty, i'll stop and get a bite to eat" OUTSIDE. with my dog. on my way home.

OR

"its a nice day for sitting outside in the sun, i think i'll go grab a few beers, chill, hang out" OUTSIDE. with my dog. because dogs like the outside too.

i just don't think its about people needed to be with their dog every second.

and at places like the village draft house or some of the places with outside patios downtown, etc. i really don't see a difference between your dog being on the patio at "at" the restaurant and your dog just walking by 3 inches off the patio. did your chances of getting a disease just get increased by 100% or something. a) don't sit near it b) if it really bothers you i guess you should go ahead and tell the dog owner or the owner of place but i don't see anyone doing that. c) if diseases were really that inherently dangerous wouldn't it be illegal all together? and d) i've never been out to eat at a place that was over run by owners with dogs. i rarely see it. and e) if it is an aggressive dog then that person just took a huge risk of their own if it bites someone there will be repercussions. maybe once in awhile some idiot takes their aggressive dog out to eat (which could very well be to their own detriment), but the last times i've seen dogs at places (which is VERY rare) it hasn't been some raging pitbull ready to bite off everyones face.

i want to know
1. when have you been bitten by a dog a restaurant and how did it happen
2. when have you caught a disease from a dog at a restaurant and what was it and how did you catch it
3. how has a dog drooled on you when you've been eating. you must have been really close to it. like on the floor. under it.
4. how many times do you actually encounter dogs at restaurants? you must eat out quite frequently at lots of establishments that allow dogs---the very thing you don't like!! if i know i don't like the music at a place or that it gets really smokey, i go somewhere else. and i don't bitch because most places around here are generic. ESPECIALLY the ones that allow dogs. they are usually bar-type places. bar food is not that unique. pick a new bar.

if you are really THIS fed up with dogs at restaurants you must be consistently putting yourself in a situation you don't like. in which case, why would anyone have sympathy?

5/13/2008 11:48:29 PM

as long as there's no purse-dog/snake-food dogs i'm ok with it.

5/14/2008 1:18:25 AM

Along the same lines...what the hell is up with everyone bringing their fucking little chihuahua purse monger to Lowe's and Home Depot? Last time I was there some lady had a freaking cart full of little spaniels. I asked a sales person and customer service if we were allowed to bring dogs (if so I totally wanted to bring my big 'ol dog to freak people out). None of the employees had a clue as to why people brought their little dogs, and they didn't *think* they were supposed to, but didn't know for sure.

5/14/2008 7:02:06 AM

^^^

Quote :

"That's a terrible assumption to make. When I was working for Caribou Coffee we used to have this woman bring her horrible chihuahua to our store. At first she tried to bring him INSIDE and would get huffy when we told her to leave the dog out on the patio. Then while she sat on the patio with the dog it would try to bite the ankles of whoever came into the store that way. She was the worst example we had but there were some others with asshole dogs too. Just because you're a sensible pet owner doesn't mean everyone is."

As I stated earlier

For the record, I don't really care if people bring their dogs to an outdoor patio of a restaurant, but it's wrong to argue all dogs in restaurants = well behaved dogs.

5/14/2008 7:36:53 AM

^^^^

You left one out

"I want to go pick up some strange, so i'm going to take my puppy out to this outdoor bar"

5/14/2008 8:29:02 AM

I'd much rather be eating near some well-behaved dog than some nasty cigarette smoker filling my lungs with second hand smoke and getting ashes on my food.

5/14/2008 9:00:41 AM

Quote :

""I want to go pick up some strange, so i'm going to take my puppy out to this outdoor bar""

FTW!

Quote :

"For the record, I don't really care if people bring their dogs to an outdoor patio of a restaurant, but it's wrong to argue all dogs in restaurants = well behaved dogs."

I'm willing to bet you've been more annoyed at restaurants by misbehaving children than dogs. Yes I'm aware that children /= dogs, but there's nothing you can do about idiot people that bring something to a restaurant that will annoy others, be it a crying baby or a dog.

and FYI while I'm sure it happens I've never personally been at a bar or restaurant where there was a dog misbehaving. And in the warmer months this is something I encounter almost every week.

[Edited on May 14, 2008 at 9:31 AM. Reason : k ]

5/14/2008 9:30:13 AM

Actually I've been the most annoyed by misbehaving adults in restaurants but that's another topic entirely

5/14/2008 9:35:38 AM