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6/3/2008 1:12:41 PM

I guess this guy judged me based on my impoverished hipster appearance
but he fucked up

cause I'm a good tipper and I still have money left

besides its not his job to judge people's character its his job to take my god damn order
and he wasn't around to do that

while the woman waiting the table next to us was awesome (and took our dessert order)

6/3/2008 1:13:28 PM

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"just the other day a delivery driver in NYC fought off armed assailants that mugged him for $180"

First, link or it didn't happen. Second, he would have then lost his job for carrying so much cash on him, and for resisting an assailant.
News flash: If you fight off a robber, as a delivery driver, YOU GET FIRED for putting yourself at risk.

6/3/2008 1:14:17 PM

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"if you go into a restaurant that provides chips before your meal, and you just drink water and eat chips for 2 hours and im a waiter, i'm not going to give a fuck about you "

I did this at los tres a couple days ago. But I didn't want to look like a jew, so I ordered a 36 oz beer and some cheese dip while my girlfriend ate. And mine turned out being more expensive

6/3/2008 1:14:30 PM

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"cause I'm a good tipper"

and

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"my tip starts at 20% and I deduct for instances of bad service from thereon I also add for good service (at the very least I'll round up on 20% to make it an even bill) the other day I had dinner with my gf at Max Brenner's on Broadway and I got the worst service of my life I left that motherfucker a shiny new penny on a $37 bill"

Yeah....you're a really good tipper...

6/3/2008 1:19:48 PM

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"I left that motherfucker a shiny new penny on a $37 bill"

I've never worked in the food service industry but I wouldn't have a problem with someone being dragged into an alley and getting their ass kicked if they left that tip

6/3/2008 1:23:10 PM

eat my balls

I won't tip for bad to no service

but I will tip 20% and up for good service

^ it was intended to be an insult

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM. Reason : -he insulted me by ignoring us from the beginning]

6/3/2008 1:23:22 PM

sidenote

funny how you complain about a Coke making you less healthy, yet you're going to eat at Max Brenner's...did you order a huge plate of chocolate?

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2008 1:25:10 PM

it was my girlfriends choice and I wasn't thrilled

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as far as the delivery driver goes
its page 4 of Our Town East Side and its not online as far as I can tell

6/3/2008 1:26:21 PM

Funny thing is that people don't realize that their reputation for being a shitty tipper follows them everywhere.

I'm pretty open about telling who is a good tipper and who is a bad tipper. And although someone might not start hating you just because they hear you're a bad tipper, it definitely lessens their perception of you a decent amount.

6/3/2008 1:34:13 PM

yeah I'm sure my reputation as a bad tipper will follow me around New York City for putting one asshole in his place

6/3/2008 1:35:29 PM

i consider tipping at 20% being a good tipper. people can get all high and mighty about their tipping if they want, but the general principle is that if they do everything that they're supposed to then you tip them everything you're "supposed to" i.e. 20%. if your service is poor you deduct accordingly, but don't go too low or you're clearly just being a dick, unless the waiter had absolutely no concern for your general well being and experience while they were serving you. Tipping more than 20% is just absurd. you're welcome to do it, but it doesn't make you a better person than anyone else, it just makes you stupid and in need of things to make you feel more self-righteous. If people have a concern with that then they can choose another industry in which to work. they're there by choice, and they know the rules.

6/3/2008 1:37:18 PM

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"the person at the taco bell drive through packages food and hands it to me too, so why don't we tip them? Oh, it's because other than handing us the food we paid for, they don't include any other services. Well the same is true for to go orders at restaurants. If I take food to go, i'm not in the need of further services such as drinks, refills, ranch runs, more napkins because i spilled my drink, more refills, etc. Those things I pay for with my tip. (unless I don't get those things, in which case I won't pay for them.)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5ODhIFawfs

6/3/2008 1:41:14 PM

i will tip the guy at outback to bring my food out to my car and go back inside and run my credit card and come back out for me to sign it

if i go into a restaurant to pick it up at the counter i still might tip but thats just cause i'm a baller

6/3/2008 1:43:28 PM

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"yeah I'm sure my reputation as a bad tipper will follow me around New York City for putting one asshole in his place"

Good point, now you just fit in with the rest of NYC.

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"Tipping more than 20% is just absurd. you're welcome to do it, but it doesn't make you a better person than anyone else"

Nobody said it makes you a better person...it just has to do with your priorities. If you want service "above and beyond" and certain perks...then tip more. If you could care less...then tip normal. Nobody is trying to be "high and mighty."

6/3/2008 1:46:15 PM

sometimes if i have a $10 bar tab i'll tip 100%

if i have a $100 restaurant tab, i will probably tip 20%

6/3/2008 1:47:34 PM

"Some people like to go above the bare minimum and we encourage that."

6/3/2008 1:48:17 PM

if a place has dollar beers you should tip at least 100% (assuming you're paying as you go) or dont tip...dont give somebody $1.20 for a $1 beer...just give them $2 sometimes and every now and then dont tip

6/3/2008 1:51:38 PM

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"sometimes if i have a $10 bar tab i'll tip 100% if i have a $100 restaurant tab, i will probably tip 20% "

I feel like that's pretty common, although it doesn't seem right considering that servers usually do more catering to the customer than bartenders. But I have two theories that I use to explain it:

1) In the overall scheme of things, bartenders do more work. Their shifts are usually longer, and when a bartender is slammed for several hours, he/she does as much work as a server does in several shifts combined. So when someone sees a bartender running behind the bar like a chicken with their head cut off, then tend to give them a little extra.

But I think the following is probably the correct theory:

2) There is more opportunity to really get "taken care of" at a bar. Getting served before other people, getting free drinks, etc. So bar patrons tend to tip more so that they are treated better at a bar in a more social setting where their "getting taken care of" also tends to get noticed more.

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2008 1:51:51 PM

If you do the bare minimum amount of service (refill my drink when it gets empty, bring my food out, and are polite) you'll get the standard 15% tip. If you're friendly, my drink never even gets to empty, and you make my meal generally more pleasant than it would have been with another server (you make excellent menu recommendations or the like) then you'll get more than that, usually in the 20-50% range. If my food is free and you hang a boobie out for me I'm probably tipping over 100% of what the bill should have been.

If you pull what Snewf's guy did and ignore me you can expect jack shit and perhaps a note letting you know that a) I'll never come here again nor will I ever recommend the establishment and b) if you don't want to deal with the job requirements of being a waiter perhaps you should seek employment in another field because this won't be the last time it happens to you.

Yeah, it sucks when you provide good service and don't get tipped, but there are also plenty of times people overtip for basic service so deal with it. It's the nature of the beast when you rely on the fickle, stupid public for a portion of your pay.

6/3/2008 1:56:12 PM

I hate that I can't even mention the idea of tipping to someone who doesn't, cause if they called the store saying i said anything about their tip negatively towards them, I don't have a job anymore. Hell i'm not even supposed to tell someone what a good tip is if they ask.

But mostly this is how i feel, if you don't wanna fucking tip me go pick it up you pieces of shit, if you can spend fucking $35 bucks on pizza you can throw another 5 on there. Hell with a lot of people that my store regularly delivers to it doesn't matter if we get there in 20min or 45min its still a shitty ass tip, i mean what the fuck a dollar on a $20 order is never a good tip.

If we are late fine, I understand why you would be pissed but what most people don't realize when its late it isn't the drivers fault. We get the pizza when its ready and go, but on Friday and Saturday nights it could be close to 20 mins before its ready, and then its fucking 530pm with traffic, I can't get there any faster.

I really wish our delivery charge, charged based on how far way you are, then we wouldn't have to worry about tips unless they wanted to add more. There are some places that we have to go to that take 45mins there and back, and some how people think 2 bucks is gonna cover it?

6/3/2008 1:56:51 PM

I've definitely started tipping less on pizza delivery since every place now charges a delivery fee. If that's not going strictly to the driver then you should bitch to your management and not about the customers. If I'm already paying $1.50 just to have it delivered I'm not going to tip as much. I used to tip about 25% for pizza delivery, but now I only tip 10-15% based on how much the delivery charge was.

6/3/2008 2:00:34 PM

i'll get some delivery steaks or chinese food sometimes and the guys bring it pretty quick cause i'll usually give them like an $8 tip on a $25 order

partially to establish a relationship and hopefully get prompt service in the future, but also cause gas prices are a bitch

6/3/2008 2:01:03 PM

^^ yea we get i think $1.15 maybe its more now, but I feel that if I walk out of the store averaging $4+ total from the delivery charge and a tip ill be happy.

The thing that I do like about the delivery charge is that at least i make something each time. But there are what to many people that think a dollar or two is enough for any delivery. I mean to me it doesn't matter if its 10 bucks or 30 bucks at least give us $3. Just because you only order one pizza doesn't mean I'm using less gas

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2008 2:03:43 PM

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"no, i point out how entitled to tips you young servers feel."

Once again this thread was about Old People and if anyone else notices they don't tip. Not an entitlement thread.


I will agree though, I think a lot of people don't realize all the work they do. For example I bartend and have no barbacks. People simply see me pour beer. They don't realize, I have to clean the whole place up before I open and after I close, lug heavy kegs up two flights of stairs, clean all the glass, clean the bar as people use it, and also dump out ashtrays (all by myself).

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"i consider tipping at 20% being a good tipper"

Agreed

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM. Reason : ]

6/3/2008 2:06:57 PM

I hear about a dude who would put a stack of ones on the table as soon as he sat down.

He'd tell the waitress: "For every time you mess up, my drink is not filled, etc. I'm taking a dollar away"

Bet that gives waitresses good incentive to not piss you off.

6/3/2008 2:09:22 PM

I only tip the leg shavers.

6/3/2008 2:10:32 PM

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"hey don't realize, I have to clean the whole place up before I open and after I close"

Bullshit. If you clean it when you close you wouldn't need to clean it again before you open unless people are in there overnight while you're closed.

But I see what you're saying. I tip the shit out of bartenders.

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM. Reason : asdfs]

6/3/2008 2:11:51 PM

It's because I work the weekend shift and the lady who works friday night owns the place so she has me come in early and clean for her. Then I clean when I'm done



[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 2:17 PM. Reason : ]

6/3/2008 2:16:08 PM

That blows.

6/3/2008 2:19:01 PM

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"He'd tell the waitress: "For every time you mess up, my drink is not filled, etc. I'm taking a dollar away""

Unless they were stacks of 10s or 5s, I would say fuck that guy.

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"Bullshit. If you clean it when you close you wouldn't need to clean it again before you open unless people are in there overnight while you're closed."

Its not so much cleaning when you get in there (although there is usually a little dusting and wiping to do before you open up), but the other prepping. I'd always show up an hour to an hour and a half before my bar shift to clean and prep, and anywhere from an hour to two hours after we closed down to clean up and re-stock.

6/3/2008 2:29:31 PM

Exactly, and you can't always guarantee that the person before you did a good job.

6/3/2008 2:30:53 PM

shit i'm guessing black waiters dont even want to get black customers

6/3/2008 2:31:09 PM

you mean Canadian waiters don't want Canadian customers

6/3/2008 2:31:40 PM

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"I hear about a dude who would put a stack of ones on the table as soon as he sat down. He'd tell the waitress: "For every time you mess up, my drink is not filled, etc. I'm taking a dollar away" Bet that gives waitresses good incentive to not piss you off."

Yeah, that episode of Seinfeld was just as unfunny as this post.

6/3/2008 3:11:06 PM

i think someone on TWW claimed to do that in another tipping thread.

6/3/2008 3:18:21 PM

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"you mean Canadian waiters don't want Canadian customers"

haha. industry speak.

6/3/2008 3:24:45 PM

Putting your money on the table and threatening to take money away is just lame. It creates more pressure than there needs to be.

6/3/2008 3:53:33 PM

^ not really. it's a real time indicator of quality/satisfaction.

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"First, link or it didn't happen. Second, he would have then lost his job for carrying so much cash on him, and for resisting an assailant. News flash: If you fight off a robber, as a delivery driver, YOU GET FIRED for putting yourself at risk."

www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=666506

fired for carrying cash to make change with - you're an idiot.

resisting - well that's just protecting his livelihood.

shooting would-be robbers after being robbed 4 times previously? priceless.

dominoes is just a terrible company for requiring him to be a sitting duck in a bad neighborhood.

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM. Reason : if more people were qualified to carry, would there be less crime?]

6/3/2008 4:28:00 PM

i once had a waiter spill a drink on me 5 minutes into sitting down at olive garden. i sat through the whole meal soaking wet and he gave me no comp on the bill. he wasn't attentive either.

tip was 50 cents.

6/3/2008 5:11:46 PM

People make mistakes....however not making up forever is one to many mistakes.

6/3/2008 5:14:16 PM

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"if more people were qualified to carry, would there be less crime?"

but then when the pizza delivery guy shoots somebody to simply protect his own life, the criminal's family sues the pizza company...cha-ching $$

6/3/2008 5:16:45 PM

^Which is messed up.

6/3/2008 9:08:29 PM

i was a chinese food delivery driver in high school

a price for 3 combos was $19.92

black people wanted the $.08

old people let me keep it

6/3/2008 9:10:42 PM

^$.08 will buy you a coke...oh wait

6/3/2008 9:11:53 PM

^however many up

I once had a busboy spill damn near a whole tray of drinks from a dirty table on my back at the bar at Champps. He apologized and got me a towel. The manager never apologized, let alone even came over to see what happened.

After about 10 minutes (it wasn't busy at all), I walked to the middle of the dining room and interupted him speaking with another employee. He offered to find me one of the promotional shirts they had. I told him that it would be great to change out of a soaked shirt. Ended up not having one, so he asked what he could do for us. I just told him to take care of us how he saw fit. Meal ended up free and we only paid for beer.

I hate when something like that happens and the management does nothing to rectify the situation.

6/3/2008 9:29:07 PM

I delivered for about a year a few years ago.

#1, the delivery charge is not for the drivers. The drivers made a per-run fee prior to the delivery charge. The charge was used by the companies to recoup some of their costs. When my store started charging for deliveries, we got an extra $0.15 from a $1.50 delivery charge. The drivers aren't making anything extra. In fact, they're making less since most people tip less when there's a delivery charge.

#2, Most corporate delivery places (i.e. Domino's, etc.) do not support drivers carrying any weapons whatsoever. For many, it's a fireable offense if you're caught with a damn pocket knife. It's complete and utter bullshit. Delivery drivers are some of the most at risk workers out there. When I worked, I concealed carried every day. I'd rather get fired than killed.

#3, having $180 on you doesn't mean shit. I routinely went on runs where I collected over $100 and frequently delivered big orders that were $250+.

#4, it can be damn good money if you get away from the colleges. A bad day for me was around $14/hour. A good day was more like $23. Yeah there was increased wear & tear but I still came out ahead. I always knew who was going to tip and who wasn't. If you gave me no tip or a shitty tip, you got pushed to the last of the line (sometimes 30 minutes AFTER I left the store). The worst were the people that gave you a fucking ziplock full of change or the fuckers that expected you to break a $100 bill for a $15 order and then complained when you only have $80.

As for me, I tip well. If you suck, I'm not going to give you shit. If you're slammed and you TRY to take care of me then I'll add some. I like being the first one that the bartender serves, the driver delivers to, or the waiter/waitress checks on. Plus, like someone said above, it's nice to make someone's day. I've been there and know how a 50-100% tip can make a fucked up day turn around.

6/3/2008 10:05:23 PM

I used to dread serving them.
One lady gave me $0.26.
My grandma thinks 10% is good. She is not aware that people live off their tips.

6/3/2008 10:42:31 PM

10% is better than most. I just hate gettin' stiffed.

6/4/2008 7:30:16 AM

set em up

7/2/2008 9:37:56 PM