Someone just dropped Warrick Dunn. Think he be worth a pick up on waivers?

I dropped my DL Amobi Okoye and picked up Dunn. Just to add a lil depth in case I could not get another starting RB.


III

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 9:30 AM. Reason : moves]

8/19/2008 9:24:30 AM

No, Dunn is Done. If anything, Sammy Morris or Michael Bennett would be better suited to fill and end of bench spot in a 12 man league.

8/19/2008 9:44:44 AM

I disagree, Dunn is not done. He's getting paid more than Graham IIRC. Graham will get a few more carries, but Dunn will make it up with receptions. Graham will also get the goal line carries, but I think Dunn is a worthy backup in deeper and ppr leagues.

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 9:51 AM. Reason : d]

8/19/2008 9:51:26 AM

I was thinking along the lines of Turnip. That Dunn still has some juice left and will be viable in passes out the backfield and getting slightly more carries, although Graham will get goal line carries.

Those backs named have been taken. I have to say, this league is very sports knowledgeable and the pickings now are slim. No one is wanting to get rid of backs to easily b/c of how FF is scored.

I am trying to hold out to see wassup on Johnsons shoulders, before I make a real move. I think he would be a good compliment even with giving up Calvin Johnson.



III

8/19/2008 10:03:23 AM

Anyone need a player in their FF league?

I didn't respond to my previous league fast enough, and all the spots got filled up.

8/19/2008 10:34:27 AM

Quote :

"Warrick Dunn was released by the Atlanta Falcons after a disappointing 2007 season in which he rushed for just 720 yards and 4 TD's as the starting running back. Dunn is now 33 and at his age (combined with a lengthy injury history), his durability is questionable. Tampa Bay signed the 11 year veteran on March 10th to be a back-up to starter Earnest Graham, as well as serve as an effective third down/change of pace type back. Dunn spent his first 5 seasons in the NFL in Tampa Bay and will be familiar with their offensive schemes -- which will be a bonus in 2008. Dunn is worth drafting as a handcuff to Earnest Graham in deeper leagues, but he will have similar fantasy value to a guy like Kevin Faulk -- where he will get occasional carries and catch a couple of passes per game (giving him some value, but just not enough to be worthy of a spot on most fantasy rosters). I would expect Dunn to rush for around 300 yards and score 1 TD, plus about 25-30 catches for 300 yards and 1 TD. Dunn is a nice backup in deeper leagues, but isn't worth selecting until the later rounds of 08 fantasy drafts. Update 8/17/08: Dunn has yet to see any action so far this pre-season due to lingering injuries. Dunn is still worth a late round pick in all fantasy leagues."

Good tidbits of info here on Dunn...

He did play Sunday night and was serviceable (3 rushes, 12 yards, 3 rec, 17 yards), but that was late in the game. Again, Bennett stole the show with 8 rushes for 57 yards and 1 rec for 13 yds.

By the way...Ahman Green is likely to be released...if not already taken, Steve Slaton may be worth a gamble.

8/19/2008 11:00:12 AM

Quote :

"He did play Sunday night and was serviceable (3 rushes, 12 yards, 3 rec, 17 yards), but that was late in the game. Again, Bennett stole the show with 8 rushes for 57 yards and 1 rec for 13 yds."

Dunn only played on the first drive.

8/19/2008 11:07:08 AM

Thanks Panthro but did not Slaton get most of his yards in cleanup in the 4th quater also?

I would like to take Slaton, he is avail, but for some reason my intuition is leaning towards Dunn back at home. I think he maybe valuable as clean-up change of pace. Not having to carry the load may keep he rolling.

Good notes though, I will be looking it over...I don't think anyone will be taking Slaton any time soon.


III

8/19/2008 11:20:16 AM

Can you tell me more about Ahman Green? I thought, barring further injuries, he would be a starter in Houston?

8/19/2008 11:45:50 AM

^Here is a decent breakdown of a situation posted early this morning, with links to various articles. Long story short: The whole RB situation in Houston is a big question mark.

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 12:00 PM. Reason : http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/08/19/ahman-green-steve-slaton-the-list-of-what-we-know-about-the-te/]

8/19/2008 11:59:57 AM

alright, got hooked up with a league, thanks for the green inbox y'all

8/19/2008 12:48:19 PM

Quote :

"Texans running back Ahman Green will probably be out for the remainder of the preseason, according to the Houston Chronicle. He is dealing with an injury to his groin. Draft Green at your own risk. Not only is he an injury machine, Houston also has Chris Brown, Steve Slaton, Chris Taylor and Darius Walker in the backfield. There has also been talk that Green could be released should he not heal quickly enough. The likelihood of Green making a big impact on fantasy teams is remote."

8/19/2008 1:24:44 PM

what's you guys' opinion on Ricky Williams?

i have him in my dynasty league and am wanting to take a chance on him by declining trades for him..

8/19/2008 1:49:50 PM

I think right now you should hold him. Ronnie Brown (I think) is not ready to go yet, in a removable cast. Ricky may be the only weapon they have on the ground game. Now if someone offers some ridiculous trade, go with it.


III

8/19/2008 1:59:04 PM

Williams is looking better and better:

Quote :

"ESPN's Chris Mortensen has just reported (sort of) that the Dolphins might get rid of Ronnie Brown before this season begins "

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/62673

only speculation, but should that happen, william's value will skyrocket....The dolphins have been trying to stockpile draft picks lately.

8/19/2008 2:31:37 PM

I could see the trade going through...Miami is/has/will be totally rebuilding for a couple years.


III

8/19/2008 2:53:25 PM

McGahee could potentially get released?

Quote :

"Willis McGahee could miss the rest of the preseason, according to the Baltimore Sun. Furthermore, reporter Mike Preston says McGahee does not have many fans in the Baltimore front office because his work ethic is substandard, and it would not be a shock to see him get cut before the end of the regular season. With the quality play of rookie Ray Rice, McGahee could be deemed expendable. This news has to alarm fantasy owners who invested a high pick in the former Miami back. It is absolutely imperative to handcuff Rice should you choose to draft McGahee."

8/19/2008 3:11:47 PM

Ha ha ha...picked up Ray Rice with last pick instead of a kicker...(I think) Either way I have Rice. I was never a McGahee fan....great athlete, just never went for his character. It's not like he won't be sought after if cut, released, traded.

But still prob just a rumor


III

8/19/2008 3:19:30 PM

I got Chris Perry with the 15th pick in the last round of the draft... come Rudi... keep fucking that hammy and/or knee up

8/19/2008 3:20:42 PM

this blog entry spurred the rumor....

Quote :

"Harbaugh said he didn't know when injured running back Willis McGahee would return, and that McGahee might possibly miss the entire preseason. Somehow that doesn't surprise me, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens cut him before the season is over. McGahee has angered a lot of Ravens officials over at the Castle with his poor work ethic. He doesn't know his plays so I don't see him playing much in the first regular-season game. "

nobody from the team even mentioned anything remotely like that.

8/19/2008 3:26:08 PM

Damn, Harbaugh still playing? Or he some coach over there...what a hell of a thing to say to media.


III

8/19/2008 3:30:47 PM

^

8/19/2008 3:40:50 PM

^I def deserve that...Had sincerly forgot Ravens had new head coach...totally deserve any reprecussion of my prior statement. Hahaha...I am saddened at myself.


III

8/19/2008 3:47:44 PM

So, we just did our draft order here at work and I got the first pick.

We are keeping 1 player per team from last year and I'm keeping Peyton.

Should I get LT or Adrian Peterson?

Also, with my 2nd pick (~15th overall -- already having a solid RB/QB, should I look top of the line receiver, Moss/TO, or should I get a mediocre RB?)

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM. Reason : .]

8/19/2008 4:33:11 PM

do you seriously think someone is not going to keep ap or lt?

unless they had both last year, i dont see it happening.

8/19/2008 5:25:25 PM

Manning, Peyton QB IND CHI 4 0.0 n/a 99 88 ActiveReserve
Jones, Julius RB SEA @BUF 4 0.0 n/a 82 24 ActiveReserve
Lewis, Jamal RB CLE DAL 5 0.0 n/a 99 94 ActiveReserve
Coles, Laveranues WR NYJ @MIA 5 0.0 n/a 89 26 ActiveReserve
Curry, Ronald WR OAK DEN 5 0.0 n/a 61 14 ActiveReserve
Moss, Randy WR NE KC 4 0.0 n/a 100 99 ActiveReserve
Winslow, Kellen TE CLE DAL 5 0.0 n/a 99 90 ActiveReserve
Gostkowski, Stephen K NE KC 4 0.0 n/a 96 82 ActiveReserve
Bears DST @IND 8 0.0 n/a 94 68 ActiveReserve

Campbell, Jason QB WAS @NYG 10 0.0 n/a 65 10 ActiveReserve
Johnson, Chris RB TEN JAC 6 0.0 n/a 10 1 ActiveReserve
Norwood, Jerious RB ATL DET 7 0.0 n/a 69 18 ActiveReserve
Hardy, James WR BUF SEA 6 0.0 n/a 8 1 ActiveReserve
Redskins DST


what you guys think???

8/19/2008 9:42:39 PM

you need a dedicated starter for a RB besides Lewis


is Maurice Morris still available in your league?

[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 11:19 AM. Reason : you also need a 2 or 3 receiver]


anyone think that Kevin Smith (DET- RB) is worth picking up?

[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 11:20 AM. Reason : ?]

8/20/2008 11:18:49 AM

^^ I agree with ^, but I think you made a mistake by not taking a RB in the first two rds. It looks like you likely had somewhere in between the 7th - 10th pick, and chose to go Moss, then Manning instead of a RB like Gore, MB3, LJ, etc. in combination with your first pick of Moss/Manning. Big mistake IMO.

Looks like you then came back at the end of the 3rd rd and went Jamal, then Winslow?

Uf!

A RB and TE from the Browns on your starting team?! I don't care how potent the Browns are supposed to be, that will be tough.

Moss, Coles and Curry aren't exactly striking fear in me....at all.

I would take these steps....

1) Try trading Winslow for a solid WR or RB, or try to get two for one. A middle ground WR and mid tier RB combo for him. Clear up the extra space on the roster by dropping the Redskins defense. Only an idiot has two roster spots taken with Defenses.

If you are lucky enough to pull that off, look at a value TE like (best case) Heath Miller, or (more likely) a high reward player like Zach Miller (OAK) or Owen Daniels (HOU).

I hope this is at least a 12 man league...and even with that...you may be in big trouble.

Let me know how I can help. Good luck!

- The Guru

[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 1:29 PM. Reason : asdf]

8/20/2008 1:27:44 PM

Panthro, look in your inbox for crying out loud.

8/20/2008 3:17:35 PM

i picked up the redskins defense beccause its a league full of skins fans, so i was hoping to use it as trade bait with a homer.

8/20/2008 7:43:09 PM

I switched my #4 pick with the #7 pick in exchange to switch picks in the 2nd, 4th, and 6th rounds. Good idea?

Also, since I now have the 7th pick, who do you feel is the best pick? I'm anticipating AP, Westbrook, Addai, LT, and Brady to be gone, and my pick will pretty much rely on who the #6 pick is.

I'm looking between Moss/Jackson/Portis, with a lean towards Portis because of Jackson's contract issues and the fact that I'm not entirely sold on Moss being able to produce like he did last year.

8/21/2008 12:35:06 AM

8 team league...had a pretty crappy draft so need some help...suggestions?

QB Carson Palmer (Cin - QB) QBBN @Bal Sun
QB Matt Schaub (Hou - QB) QBBN @Pit Sun
WR Randy Moss (NE - WR) WRW/RBN KC Sun
WR Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR) WRW/RBN Chi Sun
WR Laveranues Coles (NYJ - WR) WRW/RBN @Mia Sun
RB Brian Westbrook (Phi - RB) RBW/RBN StL Sun
RB Willie Parker (Pit - RB) RBW/RBN Hou Sun
TE Chris Cooley (Was - TE) TEBN @NYG Thu
W/R Ronnie Brown (Mia - RB) RBW/RBN NYJ Sun
K Phil Dawson (Cle - K) KBN Dal Sun
DEF Green Bay (GB - DEF) DEFBN Min Mon

BN Brandon Marshall (Den - WR) WRW/RBN @Oak Mon
BN Torry Holt (StL - WR) WRW/RBN @Phi Sun
BN Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB) RBW/RBN @SD Sun
BN Nate Burleson (Sea - WR) WRW/RBN @Buf Sun
BN Jason Campbell (Was - QB) QBBN @NYG Thu
BN Ricky Williams (Mia - RB) RBW/RBN NYJ Sun

8/21/2008 1:11:12 AM

^^S. Jax if he's there, especially if its a ppr league....mid 20's stud RB + contract year = monster #'s

^that's a pretty solid roster...although with only 8 teams, there are probably a few juggernauts in the league....all in all, I'd just go with that through the first few weeks

8/21/2008 8:42:37 AM

^^ would start Holt over Coles

8/21/2008 9:39:08 AM

^not sure about that.

Coles @ Mia/Holt @ Phi.

Philly isn't the best, but they do have good corners, and I am sure Favre will be coming out of the gates firing.

but of course...this depends on the health of Coles and if he is ready to go.

8/21/2008 9:41:29 AM

Any real solid news on Chad Johnson? I have Calvin Johnson and someone wants to trade me Chad Johnson for Calvin Johnson.


III

8/21/2008 9:43:50 AM

^don't do it....they are being eerily quiet about his shoulder injury

8/21/2008 10:13:42 AM

^agreed. I really feel like this season should be Calvin's coming out party.

Let's hope for no flare ups with the back though.

8/21/2008 11:27:27 AM

^ & ^^ You are probably right....I been hesitant on pulling the trigger on the trade, b/c there seems to be no information at all on C-Johnson's injury but enough of issue to bring back Chris Henry (although they were 'supposedly' in talks before the injury).


III

8/21/2008 12:12:16 PM

Marvin Lewis has said that Chad's ahead of schedule, and is still on target to start week 1. Teams don't have to give out detailed injury information until the season starts.

That said, I still wouldn't do the trade.

[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM. Reason : j]

8/21/2008 12:35:37 PM

I would take Ocho over Calvin in a heartbeat myself

Ocho has put up 1,000+ yards each of the past 6 years

Calvin averaged 3 catches per game last season

8/21/2008 12:38:27 PM

Let's go back to a similar argument that many had in 2007

Quote :

"I would take Ocho Marvin Harrison over Calvin Braylon Edwards in a heartbeat myself Ocho Marvin has put up 1,000+ yards each of the past 6 years Calvin Braylon averaged 3 catches per game last season."

Summary..

If you draft based on last year's or historical stats...you will lose.

Draft based on floor and upside for this season. Calvin's upside is significantly higher than Ocho's.

8/21/2008 1:12:16 PM

regardless of what actually happened last season, going into last season you'd be a fool to pick Braylon over Harrison...or did you personally foresee Derek Anderson playing out of his mind, and Harrison having a huge injury? Go ahead...take a Lions receiver not named Roy Williams instead of one of the best receivers over the last 5 years...Chad Johnson is 30...Marvin is 38...bad analogy

would you also draft AP over LT based on upside? cause i sure as hell wouldnt

8/21/2008 1:25:05 PM

Quote :

"going into last season you'd be a fool to pick Braylon over Harrison"

if you picked them in the same draft spot, you're correct, but you could have picked up Edwards at least 2 rounds later than Harrison was going.

The ocho/c. johnson situation is a bit different, but imo a disgruntled WR with uncertain health status (offseason surgery + shoulder) is a bust waiting to happen.

8/21/2008 1:57:37 PM

Interesting....all valid points, I think I am going to back away from Chad....the more I look and read into things "he is ahead of schedule" and should be ready to start week 1 is not a big comfort. Bruised Ego and bruised shoulder could be a bad combo for him.



III

8/21/2008 2:15:53 PM

I think you have made the right choice.

Twista...

My point was not that those two examples are completely analogous, but more importantly...you can't draft strictly on historical stats. Despite some differences in that comparison, Chad Johnson is being drafted at least 1 rd ahead of Calvin...

To be exact their ADP (Average Draft Position) in a 10 man league for example is

Ocho - 3.03 Calvin - 4.05 (actually tied with Roy Williams and Carson Palmer)

Braylon and Marvin were at least this distance apart last year, so it's not so far fetched to think that Calvin will outproduce, especially with Chad already showing signs of being injury plagued.


Great debate though...that's really one of the points of this entire thread.



[Edited on August 21, 2008 at 2:28 PM. Reason : asdf]

8/21/2008 2:27:18 PM

mostly yesterday's news...but also relevant today.

Quote :

"Steven Jackson has signed a six-year deal with the Rams, according to the AP. The team is yet to disclose financial terms of the contract. He was on the practice field today as well after passing his physical. He will be in uniform for Saturday's preseason game against Baltimore, but is not expected to play."

Move him back up the rankings!

8/21/2008 2:35:44 PM

Yay!

8/21/2008 2:51:38 PM

Quote :

"I would take Ocho over Calvin in a heartbeat myself"

Me too, but the deal was Chad+Crumpler for Calvin+Winslow, unless I'm mistaken

8/21/2008 3:47:37 PM

QB Donovan McNabb
WR Larry Fitzgerald
WR Anquan Boldin
WR Roy Williams
RB Steven Jackson
RB Ryan Grant
TE Chris Cooley

BN Matt Forte
BN Marc Bulger
BN Reggie Brown
BN Nate Burleson
BN Tony Scheffler
BN DeAngelo Williams

K Nick Folk

DEF Chicago

Any advice? I picked up DeAngelo as a backup, unfortunately I don't have a W/R spot in this league. I probably could package a couple guys and try to get a premium WR as Boldin is so disgruntled.

8/21/2008 3:50:53 PM